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Divorce Dialogues

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Date created
2015/07/24
Latest episode
2026/11/05
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28 min.
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8 days

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Divorce Dialogues helps people navigate divorce with dignity, clarity, and perspective. Through thoughtful conversations with experts and practitioners, the show explores the emotional, financial, legal, and relational realities of divorce, so listeners can make better decisions, communicate more effectively, and move forward with greater confidence. Because divorce is more than a legal transaction, it’s a deeply human transition.

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How to Keep Kids Out of Co-Parenting Conflict with Dr. Jann Blackstone
2026/11/05
A dad's car blew up while he was behind on child support. His plan for telling Mom about the replacement was to send his young child with the message. The child froze, Mom found out anyway, and the kid stopped wanting to go to Dad's. In this episode, Katherine Miller is joined by Bonus Families founder and director, Dr. Jann Blackstone to unpack how kids end up as messengers. Jann spent 35 years as a custody mediator and co-parenting counselor, and she explains what to do when your ex won't cooperate. You'll leave with language for your next hard conversation. What you'll learn: Why "need to know" is all a difficult co-parent gets from youHow a backpack note puts your child in the middleWhat to say instead of badmouthing when your ex gets it wrongWhen to rewrite a parenting plan your kids have outgrownHighlights:(00:00) Meet Dr. Jann Blackstone(02:49) What "put the kids first" really means(05:37) Why co-parents only need "need to know"(08:21) The "best parent syndrome" and custody(11:18) Co-parenting versus parallel parenting(13:04) The backpack note that put a child in the middle(14:16) The new car story and a kid stuck as messenger(17:47) Why "mommy is mistaken" beats badmouthing(19:55) How the term "bonus family" came to be(23:24) When to change a parenting plan as kids grow About our guest, Dr. Jann BlackstoneWebsite: bonusfamilies.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-jann-blackstone-a022571/ About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law GroupKatherine's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/More on her book "The Emotionally Savvy Divorce" at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/
You Can Be Right Or You Can Be Married | Rachel Sussman
2026/10/29
What if the biggest mistake in divorce recovery isn't moving too slowly, but rushing straight past the parts that actually need to heal? Psychotherapist, relationship expert, and founder of Sussman Counseling Rachel Sussman joins the show to unpack the framework from her book, The Breakup Bible. She breaks recovery into three phases: healing, understanding, and transformation, and explains why skipping straight to the last one usually backfires. Katherine and Rachel talk through why breakup grief can look a lot like grieving a death, how anxious and avoidant attachment patterns often show up years before a marriage ends, and why dating too early can undo months of hard work. Listen for a grounded look at what actually helps someone move forward after divorce. What you'll learn: Why breakup grief mirrors the grief of losing someone to deathHow to build the support system that makes recovery possibleHow to tell anxious attachment from avoidant attachment in your own patternsWhy waiting to date until you've rebuilt your identity leads to better outcomes Highlights: (00:00) Meet Rachel Sussman(02:52) Why recovery works in three distinct phases(05:49) Healing from a breakup, like healing a broken bone(08:11) Why building a support system comes first(13:27) What the Understanding phase actually requires(18:09) The difference between anxious and avoidant attachment(22:47) The conflict trap(24:06) Untangling your identity from the marriage(27:08) Why dating should be the last step, not the first(31:48) One piece of advice for the earliest, hardest days About our guest, Rachel SussmanWebsite: sussmancounseling.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-a-sussman-lcsw-48033a5 About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law Group Katherine’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/  Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/ More on her book “The Emotionally Savvy Divorce” at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/
What Family Court Gets Wrong About Parenting Time | André Rainey
2026/10/22
Most parents brace for the fight over money and assume custody will sort itself out. What if the custody process itself is what turns co-parents into opponents? André Rainey, Chair of the New York Affiliate of the National Parents Organization and former mayor of Peekskill, joins the show to share what four years in New York family court taught him about shared parenting. Katherine and André explore how the custody process can drive co-parents apart and why mediation works best before a judge decides anything. Parents facing court get practical steps to use right away. What you'll learn: How joint custody differs from shared custodyWhy a standard schedule can leave one parent as a visitorWhat to document while your case moves through courtWhy more parenting time shouldn't be a way to dodge child support Highlights:(0:00) Meet André Rainey(3:14) What four years in New York family court taught him(5:04) Why a "joint custody" schedule meant four days a month(7:44) Why domestic violence and shared parenting advocates see court so differently(9:31) Why mediation should come first(11:54) Joint custody versus shared custody, explained(14:43) Why the National Parents Organization doesn't align with fathers' rights groups(20:11) How attorneys can drive co-parents apart(25:55) What to do before and during a custody case(29:22) The one thing every parent should know before custody starts About our guest, André RaineyWebsite: sharedparenting.orgLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andr%C3%A9-rainey-09270819/ About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law Group Katherine’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/  Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/ More on her book “The Emotionally Savvy Divorce” at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/
The Caregiving Conversation Divorce Brings Into Focus | Raymond Lavine
2026/10/15
You've probably thought about how you'd split assets in a divorce, but have you thought about who's going to take care of you at 85? Raymond Lavine, Founder of Lavine LTC Benefits, joins Katherine Miller to talk about the financial risk most divorce settlements never touch: long-term care. Katherine and Raymond dig into why long-term care insurance gets cheaper the earlier you buy it, what happens to life insurance policies people forget they own, and why even his own mother, worth nine figures, still needed a care plan. Listen in for a grounded look at protecting your next chapter, not just your settlement. What you'll learn: Why long-term care insurance is cheaper to buy before your divorce is final;How gender-based pricing on long-term care plans changed and what that means for you now;Why you should never let a life insurance policy lapse, even if you need the cash; andWhat Raymond's own family taught him about affording care, no matter how much you have saved Highlights:(00:00) Meet Raymond Lavine(03:34) Why divorce ranks among life's most stressful transitions(05:03) What a good divorce attorney actually does for you(05:48) Why marriage has always been an economic contract(07:07) The discount hiding in long-term care insurance(09:16) Why women face a different caregiving risk after divorce(09:53) What your wedding vows leave out about caregiving(11:49) Why you should never let a life insurance policy lapse(17:34) The nine-figure estate that still needed a care plan(20:34) A rewritten Kipling poem on caregiving and responsibility About our guest, Raymond Lavine Lavine LTC Benefits: http://www.lavineltcins.com/ Website: https://raymondlavineofficial.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ltc-benefits/ About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law Group Katherine’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/  Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/ More on her book “The Emotionally Savvy Divorce” at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/
Stop Fighting Over the Schedule, Fix This Instead | Marsha Kline Pruett
2026/10/08
Every dollar spent fighting over a 50/50 schedule might be solving the wrong problem. What if the split barely matters to your kid at all? Family psychologist and custody researcher Dr. Marsha Kline Pruett joins the show to break down what decades of research actually say about parenting time, and why the number of overnights rarely predicts how kids adjust. Katherine and Marsha dig into why "quality time" can't be scheduled, what separates a real safety concern from a values disagreement, and how co-parenting quality (not competition) shapes both parents' relationships with their kids. Listen in for research-backed clarity you can use the next time a custody conversation gets heated. What you'll learn: Why there's no research link between 50/50 time and better outcomes for kids;What "quality time" actually looks like from a child's perspective;How to build new family traditions instead of recreating old ones; andHow to tell a genuine safety concern from a values disagreement with your co-parent Highlights:(00:00) Meet Dr. Marsha Kline Pruett(02:59) Why "it depends" is the honest answer on custody(04:16) What actually predicts how kids adjust to divorce(05:17) Why there's no such thing as scheduled quality time(10:25) The research behind the 50/50 custody myth(16:12) Building new holiday traditions after divorce(22:20) The scaffolding kids need: warmth and structure together(24:48) How to tell a safety concern from a values disagreement(31:13) The reframe: co-parenting isn't a competition(32:33) What surprised her most after decades of research About our guest, Dr. Marsha Kline PruettWebsite: https://www.marshapruett.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marsha-pruett About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law GroupKatherine's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/More on her book "The Emotionally Savvy Divorce" at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/
How To Set Boundaries With A High Conflict Ex | Deborah Wilder
2026/10/01
What if the same advice that helps most couples divorce well is exactly what keeps you stuck with a difficult one? In this episode, Dr. Deborah Wilder, a licensed psychologist, divorce mediator, and Certified Narcissistic Abuse Treatment Clinician at the Center for Therapy and Mediation, breaks down how emotional abuse and coercive control change the rules of divorce, and how to tell the difference between a hard marriage and a harmful one. Deborah walks through the warning signs your body picks up before your mind does, why compromise can backfire with a high-conflict ex, and a simple communication tool to protect your energy without escalating the fight. In this episode, you'll learn: How to tell the difference between normal conflict and coercive control;Why gaslighting makes you question your own reality;The BIFF method for communicating with a difficult ex; andHow to protect your kids without disparaging the other parent Highlights:(00:00) Meet Dr. Deborah Wilder(03:19) What Actually Defines A High-Conflict Divorce(07:43) The Body's Early Warning Signs Of Abuse(08:37) Why Gaslighting Works(11:09) Common Traits Of A Narcissistic Partner(13:55) Isolation, Financial Abuse, And Control Tactics(15:58) Why It's Never Personal(18:42) The BIFF Method For Boundaried Communication(22:06) Protecting Kids From Being Used As Pawns(25:07) Redefining What Divorcing With Dignity Means About our guest, Dr. Deborah WilderLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborah-s-wilder-ph-d-5a016033/Center for Therapy and Mediation: https://www.drdeborahwilder.com/ About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law Group Katherine’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/  Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/ More on her book “The Emotionally Savvy Divorce” at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/ Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: shareyourgenius.com
How to Talk to Kids About Divorce | Dr. Korie Leigh
2026/09/24
Divorce doesn't have to be a conversation you dread having with your kids. What if it's the beginning of showing them they can get through something hard? Childhood Grief Specialist and Award-Winning Author Dr. Korie Leigh joins the show to break down how to talk to kids about divorce without overwhelming them or trying to make it painless. Katherine and Korie explore how to figure out what your child already knows before you say anything, how the conversation shifts by age, and why getting it wrong the first time isn't the failure it feels like. Listen in for practical, developmentally grounded guidance you can use today. What you'll learn: Why divorce is a form of loss for kids, even when it's the right decision for the family;How to "dose" information about divorce so kids aren't overwhelmed;How to adjust the conversation based on your child's age; andWhat actually gives kids a sense of safety and stability across two homes Highlights: (00:00) Meet Dr. Korie Leigh (03:11) What kids are actually grieving during divorce (04:46) Why parents need to process their own emotions first (09:26) Why "treat it like a business deal" is bad advice (12:15) Why you should start by asking kids what they already know (13:48) What "dosing" information actually means (15:39) How the conversation should change by a child's age (22:53) What gives kids the greatest sense of safety (26:11) One piece of advice before you have "the talk" (28:32) The reframe every parent needs about protecting kids from grief About our guest, Dr. Korie Leigh Website: korieleighphd.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/korie-leigh-phd-ccls-ft About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law Group Katherine’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/  Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/ More on her book “The Emotionally Savvy Divorce” at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/ Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: shareyourgenius.com
The Self-Fulfilling Prophecy Behind High-Conflict Divorce | Erin Levine
2026/09/17
Could securing a divorce attorney actually heighten complications instead of safeguarding your interests? Certified family law specialist, mediator, and Hello Divorce founder and CEO Erin Levine explains why navigating a divorce doesn't have to mean choosing between going at it completely alone or turning everything over to a lawyer. Erin shares the three problems she saw repeatedly in twenty years of practicing family law: unpredictable cost, unnecessary conflict, and a legal-only approach that ignores everything else changing in someone's life. She and Katherine talk through how transparency and the right mix of support, whether that's a mediator, a financial expert, or a lawyer for one piece of the process, can lower the temperature of a divorce instead of raising it. Learn how to figure out what kind of help you actually need, and how to stay the decision-maker in your own divorce. What you'll learn: Why the "lawyer up or DIY" choice is a false one, and what exists in between;The three biggest problems driving people away from traditional divorce;How transparency in the process can lower conflict between spouses; andWhy relying on AI for major divorce decisions comes with real riskHighlights:(00:00) Meet Erin Levine (05:06) The three problems with traditional divorce: cost, conflict, and complexity (07:39) What exists between DIY and "lawyer takes over" (08:43) Inside Hello Divorce: procedural help vs. expert support (11:59) How a divorce navigator helps you figure out what you need (14:35) Why silence and lack of transparency make divorce messier (21:15) Where AI helps, and where it creates false confidence (23:54) How to stay the decision-maker with your own lawyer (28:57) What "protecting yourself" actually means About our guest, Erin LevineLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinlevineHello Divorce: https://hellodivorce.com/ About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law Group Katherine’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/  Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/ More on her book “The Emotionally Savvy Divorce” at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/ Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: shareyourgenius.com
The Mortgage Mistake That Traps Divorcing Spouses | Jody Bruns
2026/09/10
Most people going through divorce ask, "How do I keep the house?" But what if that's the wrong question entirely? Katherine sits down with Jody Bruns, founder and president of the Divorce Lending Association and author of A House Divided: A Guide to Mortgage Financing and Divorce, to unpack the emotional and financial complexities of housing decisions during divorce. Jody explains why treating the house as a purely financial asset misses the point, and why feasibility today doesn't guarantee sustainability tomorrow. She and Katherine dig into the hidden costs people overlook, from insurance and title risk to the tax trade-offs of holding onto a low mortgage rate, and why "can I qualify" is a very different question than "can I actually afford my life." Get insights about separating the emotional pull of the family home from the numbers, and why real stability might mean letting go. In this conversation, you'll learn: Why the mortgage math is only part of the equation, and what "feasible, affordable, and sustainable" really means;The hidden risks in insurance and title that most divorcing homeowners never see coming;Why refinancing hesitancy over a low interest rate can cost you more than it saves; andHow reframing "how do I keep the house" as "how do I create a stable future" changes the decision entirely Highlights:(00:00) Meet Jody Bruns(00:58) Why the house is so hard to let go of(03:16) Why the house sits at the intersection of finances and identity(05:01) The Colorado mom and the baseball tournament story(07:40) Why "treat it like a business deal" is bad advice(09:13) Home, security, and identity(10:31) The onboarding process and building a Plan B(13:06) The stories people tell themselves about affording the house(20:17) Legal vs. mortgage pitfalls, and the "netting effect"(23:35) Insurance and title risks after divorce(25:53) What helps people make thoughtful housing decisions(26:44) The better question to ask instead of "how do I keep the house" About our guest, Jody BrunsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodylbruns/Divorce Lending Association: https://www.divorcelendingassociation.com/ About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law GroupKatherine's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/More on her book "The Emotionally Savvy Divorce" at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/
Your Custody Battle Is Hurting Your Kid More Than Your Divorce | Michael Saini
2026/09/03
When a child says “I don’t want to go,” the most important question may be: why? In this episode, Michael Saini, professor and Factor-Inwentash Chair in Law and Social Work at the University of Toronto, breaks down how courts, lawyers, and parents can separate genuine safety concerns from the noise of custody conflict. Drawing on nearly two decades of research and parenting plan evaluations, Michael explores why labels like alienation or abuse can miss the complexity of a child’s experience, why a quiet child may still be struggling, and what helps protect children through separation. Tune in to learn why conflict, not divorce itself, is what actually harms kids, and how one competent parent can be enough to help a child come through separation okay. In this episode, you'll learn: How to tell the difference between alienating behavior and a genuine safety concern;Why professionals shouldn't assume a quiet or agreeable child is doing fine;How to reframe anger toward a co-parent into identifying the real underlying worry; andWhy "good enough" parenting, not perfect parenting, is what protects kids through divorce.Highlights: (00:00) Meet Michael Saini (03:14) What splitting looks like and why kids get caught in the middle (05:10) Why it's so hard to separate real risk from conflict fallout (06:40) Alienation, denigration, and the umbrella of parent-child contact problems (08:52) The research-backed assumptions professionals get wrong (11:48) The conflict-driven custody narrative and how it takes shape (15:18) Winnicott's "good enough" parenting and why it protects kids (22:17) What to do when a safety concern is genuine (24:10) The one reframe that changes how you handle co-parent anger (25:10) Why exposure to conflict, not divorce itself, is what harms kids About our guest, Michael SainiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-a-saini-5693044a/University of Toronto, Factor-Inwentash Faculty of Social Work: https://socialwork.utoronto.ca/profiles/michael-saini/ About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law GroupKatherine's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/More on her book "The Emotionally Savvy Divorce" at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/
How to Heal After Divorce with Oona Metz
2026/08/27
Grief after a divorce doesn't wait for the paperwork to catch up, and it rarely leaves the same moment the case closes. In this episode, Oona Metz, LICSW, CGP, psychotherapist, and author of Unhitched: The Essential Divorce Guide for Women, joins Katherine to map the emotional side of divorce that the legal process never touches. After running weekly divorce support groups for 16 years, Oona built a five-phase model that reflects how women actually move through loss, from the first heartbreak through the rollercoaster of conflicting emotions to finally reinvesting in a new life. She also speaks to where traditional divorce resources leave LGBTQ+ women out of the picture. Tune in to understand why healing from divorce rarely moves in a straight line, and how naming what you're feeling can lead to clearer decisions and a more dignified path forward. In this episode, you'll learn: The five phases of divorce grief, from heartbreak to moving on;Why grief resurfaces even years after a divorce is final;How to tell the difference between a partner's behavior and their character;Where traditional divorce resources fall short for LGBTQ+ women; andWhy understanding your feelings can lead to steadier, clearer decisionsHighlights:(00:00) Meet Oona Metz(06:39) Phase One: Heartbreak(10:35) Behavior versus character in a marriage(12:18) Phase Two: The Rollercoaster(13:54) Phase Three: Mending(14:33) Phase Four: Letting Go(17:06) Phase Five: Moving On(19:11) Why divorce grief doesn't move in a straight line(24:33) Where traditional divorce resources fail LGBTQ+ women(28:46) Oona's advice before you start the divorce process(29:17) Reframing grief as part of healing About our guest, Oona MetzLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oona-metz-licsw-cgp-6a14a41b/ Website: https://www.oonametz.com/ About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law Group Katherine’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/  Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/ More on her book “The Emotionally Savvy Divorce” at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/
How Emotions Affect Your Divorce Decisions | Katherine Miller, The Emotionally Savvy Divorce
2026/08/20
Divorce can make even simple decisions feel harder. Fear, anger, guilt, and resentment can shape what you say, what you ask for, and what you agree to before you realize they are driving the process. In this episode of the Emotionally Savvy Divorce series, Katherine Miller, family lawyer and mediator at Miller Law Group, tackles the belief that good divorce decisions require setting emotions aside. Katherine shares why trying to remove emotion from divorce is neither realistic nor helpful. Instead, she explores how emotional awareness can help you respond more thoughtfully, make clearer decisions, and stay focused on the future you are trying to build. Listen in for a grounded look at how self-awareness, not emotional suppression, leads to better decisions during divorce and a stronger foundation for the life on the other side of it. In this episode, you’ll learn: Why trying to "keep emotions out of it" during divorce is a mythThe difference between reacting and responding, and why it mattersA simple framework for separating your feelings from your decisionsThree questions to ask before a difficult conversation or decision Highlights: (00:00) Meet Katherine Miller (00:50) Welcome back to the Emotionally Savvy Divorce series (01:43) Part One: The Problem — Why we think we have to ignore emotions (03:36) How emotional and rational decision-making work together (05:04) Part Two: The Trap — Reacting instead of responding (06:36) Why reacting lets your ex define you instead of yourself (08:09) Part Three: The Shift — What emotionally savvy people do differently (09:25) Separating your feelings from your decisions (10:49) Part Four: A real-life mediation that almost fell apart (14:25) Today's reframe, three questions, and closing thoughts on the series About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law Group Katherine’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/  Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/ More on her book “The Emotionally Savvy Divorce” at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/
Better Divorce Settlements Start With One Question | Katherine Miller, The Emotionally Savvy Divorce
2026/08/13
What if the thing you're fighting hardest for in your divorce isn't actually what you need? In this episode of the Emotionally Savvy Divorce series, Katherine Miller, family lawyer, mediator, and author of The Emotionally Savvy Divorce, breaks down one of the most useful distinctions in any negotiation: positions versus interests. Most people walk into divorce already certain of what they want. Katherine explains why that certainty is often standing in the way of a better outcome. Using real mediation stories, including a custody case built around a family's summer vacation home, Katherine shows how asking "why does this matter to me?" can turn a stalemate into a solution neither side saw coming. Listen in for a conversation about why letting go of a position isn't losing, and how understanding your real interests opens up possibilities that arguing over demands never will. In this episode, you'll learn: Why the thing you ask for in divorce often isn't the thing you actually needHow to tell the difference between a position and an interestThe four-prong test for identifying what really matters to youHow reframing a demand can turn a stuck negotiation into a shared problem to solveHighlights: (00:00) Meet Katherine Miller (02:07) Part One: We confuse positions with needs (03:37) What an interest actually is, and why it matters (05:16) Part Two: We become attached to one solution (06:44) Unpacking what a position, like staying in the house, is really giving you (08:40) Part Three: Discovering the interest beneath the position (10:29) The four-prong test for naming your real interest (13:11) Part Four: A real-life example, the vacation home custody case (16:35) Episode guide questions About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law Group Katherine's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/ Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/ More on her book "The Emotionally Savvy Divorce" at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/
Why Fairness Is a Trap in Divorce | Katherine Miller on The Emotionally Savvy Divorce
2026/08/06
What if the thing you're fighting for in your divorce is actually keeping you stuck? In this episode of the Emotionally Savvy Divorce series, Katherine Miller, divorce attorney, mediator, and author, unpacks why "fair" might be the most dangerous word in a divorce negotiation. Katherine explains why two reasonable people can go through the same divorce and both walk away feeling wronged, and why chasing fairness often costs more in legal fees, time, and happiness than it's worth. Drawing on a real client story involving betrayal and a long, hard-won path to rebuilding, she shows what happens when someone finally lets go of being right in favor of moving forward. Tune in for a mindset shift that could change how you approach every hard conversation left in your divorce. In this episode, you'll learn: Why fairness is a personal experience, not an objective factThe difference between fighting to be right and fighting to be happyWhy the legal process can't give you emotional closureThree questions to ask yourself before your next difficult conversationHighlights:(00:00) Introducing the Emotionally Savvy Divorce series (01:35) Part one: The problem (03:05) Why fairness is personal, not objective (03:58) Part two: The trap (04:35) Would you rather be right or be happy? (05:55) The recognition trap: why both people feel wronged (06:41) Divorce as a legal process vs. an emotional one (09:09) Part three: From fair to workable (11:40) Compromise isn't failure, it's negotiation (12:52) A real story: rebuilding life after serial betrayal (16:49) Reflection: Why fairness is a trap in Divorce About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law GroupKatherine's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/More on her book "The Emotionally Savvy Divorce" at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/
Choosing Dignity Over Winning: Katherine Miller on The Emotionally Savvy Divorce
2026/07/30
Divorce doesn't have to be measured by who wins. What if success meant something entirely different? In this episode, Katherine Miller, divorce attorney, mediator, and author, opens her Emotionally Savvy Divorce series by redefining what a successful divorce actually looks like — not in the courtroom, but in the life you build afterward. Most people never stop to define what winning a divorce would even mean. Katherine explains why so many clients default to protecting the house, the custody schedule, or their pride, and how those goals are really just reactions, not a definition of success. She walks through why the winner-loser framing of divorce is largely false, why chasing it can cost far more than it's worth, and how holding onto resentment rarely brings the relief people expect. Tune in for a conversation about shifting the focus from what you're fighting against to what you're actually building, and why the decisions you make today are votes for the life you want after divorce is over. In this episode, you'll learn: Why most people confuse strategy and reaction with a real definition of success;Why the winner-loser framing of divorce rarely reflects reality;How to identify what you're actually protecting — and whether your actions align with it; andThree questions to ask yourself before every major divorce decision Highlights:(00:00) Introducing the Emotionally Savvy Divorce series (03:38) Part one: The problem (03:40) Why most people never define what success means(04:59) The false assumption of winners and losers (06:06) Part two: The trap(06:08) How chasing "winning" becomes the wrong goal (07:09) Untangling your identity from your marriage (09:28) Part three: The new definition of success (09:31) Divorce as a legal, emotional, and family transition (13:13) Finding your priorities before the deal-making begins (16:28) Part four: A real life example(16:31) Marcy's story: rebuilding life after betrayal(19:19) What a successful divorce looks like(19:40) The Reframe: three questions to ask yourself About Divorce Dialogues and Miller Law GroupKatherine’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemiller1/ Miller Law Group: https://miller-law.com/More on her book “The Emotionally Savvy Divorce” at: https://katherinemiller.com/book/

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DivorceLikeaBoss 2026/02/13
A Transformative and Empowering Conversation with Katherine Miller
I feel so fortunate to have connected with Katherine Miller through the “DIVORCE WITH DIGNITY: Mediation, Strategy, and Emotional Intelligence for Fam...
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Great Source for Divorce! 2022/05/24
Sage advice!!
Not only is Katherine a leader in the collaborative divorce space, but she expands her reach beautifully by sharing more conscious collaborative appro...
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phoenix-joli 2021/11/23
A much needed conversation
Katherine is having the conversations we need to be having more! I wish I’d heard these conversations during my own divorce process but even now, marr...
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Adam (Muzikm4n) 2020/07/30
Awesome podcast!
Great podcast for people dealing with or who have dealt with divorce before. Great host and information!
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Provlovemav 2019/05/19
Love that there is a pod specifically around this topic
So so so thrilled to see an entire podcast dedicated to this complex topic. Go Katherine!
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