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The Emotionally Healthy Leader Podcast

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Pete Scazzero
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Date created
2015/12/04
Latest episode
2026/10/27
Average duration
30 min.
Release period
14 days

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Many pastors and church leaders today feel overwhelmed, exhausted, and frustrated that their churches don't seem to be making mature disciples. The Emotionally Healthy Leader Podcast explores the paradigms and practices leaders need to transform their church culture and multiply deeply changed disciples.

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Jesus' Four Great Reversals
2026/10/27
If you're reading Emotionally Healthy Success with your team, start with the introduction videos and discussion guide we created to go with it at emotionallyhealthy.org/success. This episode is meant to supplement your reading and conversation. I could have written about a dozen reversals in the life of Jesus. I chose four, because they're the four conversions God had to work in me. For years I prayed for results. I led out of charisma. I trusted my best ideas. I measured growth by critical mass. That list probably looks familiar. It's the admired, applauded model of Western church leadership, and it lives inside most of us. In this episode, I step back from the individual reversals to show you the pattern they make together: from results to communion, from charisma to weakness and limits, from our best ideas to discerning God's voice, and from critical mass to critical yeast. Underneath all four sits one enemy, the false self, dressed up as success. These reversals touch how you pray, who you are as a leader, how you make decisions, and how you build. Listen in, and ask God which one he's pressing on in you right now. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
The Wreckage of a Wrong Scorecard
2026/10/13
Pre-Order Pete Scazzero's forthcoming book, Emotionally Healthy Success, at www.emotionallyhealthy.org/success and get a free chapter. When I finished the first chapter of this book, I was ready to move on to the hopeful part. My editor sent it back with a hard word: "Pete, you can't get to the cure until you've told the truth about the disease." I didn't want to climb back down into that pain. I had already lived it. But I did, and it became the hardest chapter in the book to write. In this episode, I look at what happens when we hand our scorecard to everyone around us: boards, peers, congregants, social media. The damage runs in three directions. We do violence to ourselves, abandoning the person God made us to be. We do violence to those closest to us, the spouses, children, and teams who absorb our hurry. And we do violence to God's work, rushing ahead of him and blocking the slow formation he wants to do in us and in others. You cannot rebuild until you reckon with the damage. If you've been bent over under a weight you've carried so long you've forgotten how to stand up straight, this one is for you. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
The Lies We Call Success Part 1
2026/09/29
Pre-Order Pete Scazzero's forthcoming book, Emotionally Healthy Success, at www.emotionallyhealthy.org/success and get a free chapter. This is Part 1, and we're starting where the book starts: the lies we call success. For years I measured my ministry the way most of us do. Attendance. Budget. Baptisms. Conferences that promised the next strategy for growth. It worked, for a while. But underneath the numbers, I wasn't reflecting on Jesus. I wasn't in touch with my own shadow, my fears, my perfectionism, my anxiety. And the wreckage from that started piling up long before I was willing to see it. In this episode, I walk through five of the most common false scorecards leaders use without knowing it: the size of our ministry, the extent of our influence, the praise we receive, the pace of our growth, and how we compare to everyone else in the room. If you've ever felt like you should be further along, this one's for you. Listen in. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
Why I Wrote Emotionally Healthy Success
2026/09/15
Pre-Order Pete Scazzero's forthcoming book, Emotionally Healthy Success, at www.emotionallyhealthy.org/success and get a free chapter. What if you could succeed brilliantly at something God never asked you to do? Is it possible to succeed at the wrong thing? I spent a good part of my ministry answering yes to that question without knowing it. I built something big at New Life Fellowship while becoming increasingly unhealthy. The numbers were up. My joy was down. It took a church split and two years I never would have chosen for me to face what I'd been avoiding: who am I when I can't prove I'm successful by the world's standards? This episode opens a seven-part series walking through the book Emotionally Healthy Success, three and a half years in the making. I'll tell you the story that forced me to ask what success actually looks like to God, and why I think this question is one you're already living with every time you set a priority or lead a team. If you've built something that looks impressive while quietly wondering if it's the wrong thing, this one's for you. Listen in. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
Reversal No. 4: From Critical Mass to Critical Yeast
2026/09/01
Pre-Order Pete Scazzero's forthcoming book, Emotionally Healthy Success, at www.emotionallyhealthy.org/success and get a free chapter. For years, I measured ministry impact by one word: bigger. I remember walking into one of the largest churches in America, watching thousands of people fill the room, and thinking, this is it, this is critical mass. A staff member who'd been there since it was a thousand people told me something shifted at 7,500. Point people in a direction, he said, and it felt like a tidal wave. Jesus never built his kingdom that way. He picked twelve. Pulled three in closer. Sent seventy out two by two. The crowds came last, if they came at all. He called it yeast, a small amount, buried deep, working quietly until the whole loaf rises. In this episode, I walk through the fourth of four reversals from my new book: the move from critical mass to critical yeast. If you've ever measured your ministry by the size of the room, this episode will show you a slower, harder, far more fruitful way to measure it. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
Reversal No. 3: From Our Best Ideas to Discerning God's Voice
2026/08/18
Pre-Order Pete Scazzero's forthcoming book, Emotionally Healthy Success, at www.emotionallyhealthy.org/success and get a free chapter.   For my first seventeen years in ministry, I led for Jesus without listening to him. My prayer life was mostly a list of requests. When a door opened, I walked through it and called it faithfulness, following my best ideas and telling myself it was discernment. In this episode, I walk through the third of four reversals from my new book: the move from our best ideas to discerning God's voice. Even Peter, James, and John struggled here. Peter watched Jesus transfigured on the mountain and responded with a plan: let's build three shelters. God interrupted him mid-sentence. "Listen to him." Not "help him." Not "build for him." Listen. If you've ever assumed your best idea for God was from God, this episode will show you a better way. Discernment isn't a bonus skill for the spiritually elite. It's the difference between leading for Jesus and actually listening to him. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
Reversal No. 2: From Charisma to Weakness and Limits
2026/08/04
Pre-Order Pete Scazzero's forthcoming book, Emotionally Healthy Success at www.emotionallyhealthy.org/success For most of my early ministry, I led from my gifts. Teaching, vision-casting, faith, I had those in abundance, and little else. So I built my leadership on them, hid my weaknesses, and made sure no one saw me struggle. Then a painful church split exposed the whole thing. I spiraled into a two-year depression before I hit rock bottom, and found Jesus waiting for me there. In this episode, I walk through the second of four reversals from my new book: the move from charisma to weakness and limits. Jesus was born to a peasant girl, lived thirty ordinary years, and refused the power offered him in the desert. Paul, facing leaders with every credential he lacked, chose to boast in his weakness instead. "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." If you've been measuring your ministry by the world's scorecard- gifts, platform, impact- this episode will show you a better one. Weakness isn't a hindrance to what God wants to do through you. It's the doorway. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
Reversal No. 1: From Prayer for Result to Prayer for Communion
2026/07/21
Pre-Order Pete Scazzero's forthcoming book, Emotionally Healthy Success at www.emotionallyhealthy.org/success I was taught that no one rises above their intercessory prayer life. If revival wasn't happening, that meant I hadn't prayed hard enough. So I prayed. We held five morning prayer meetings a week and monthly half nights of prayer, pleading with God to move. He did, slowly. Not the outpouring I was hoping for. Prayer turned into duty, something I dragged myself through rather than something I wanted. Two things changed that. Time with Trappist monks who taught me to listen more than talk. And years spent inside Luke's gospel, watching how Jesus actually prayed. This week, I open the first of four reversals from my new book, EH Success: The Move from Praying for Results to Praying for Communion. Jesus didn't pray to get things done. He prayed to stay with the Father, to hear him, and to receive strength from him. That's a different kind of prayer than most of us were taught, and it might be exactly what your prayer life is missing. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
Stillness Under Siege: Finding Rest Under Impossible Pressure
2026/07/07
Free Resource: Craft a Rule of Life for Emotionally Healthy Leaders → emotionallyhealthy.org/rule In 2004, I stood in front of a building we couldn't afford to renovate, a staff team with the wrong people in the wrong seats, and a list of problems that all traced back to my own failures as a leader. I thought about resigning. I thought I'd taken the church as far as I could. Most of us know that feeling. Not enough hours. Not enough margin. Not enough emotional or spiritual energy for one more thing. And under that kind of pressure, we get reactive, anxious, driven. This week, I go back to 701 BC and a king named Hezekiah, surrounded by the most powerful army in the world, with no way out. What he does under that siege is still exactly what we need today. Four practices, not theory, that show you how to find rest when the pressure won't let up. This isn't about managing your calendar better. It's about what you do the moment the walls close in. Listen now, and grab the Rule of Life resource above to start building this into your own life. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
You Are Not God: Experience the Freedom of Stopping
2026/06/23
Free Resource: Rule of Life for Emotionally Healthy Leaders → emotionallyhealthy.org You were made for glorious work. But you were also made to stop. Most of us know how to produce, build, plan, and push through. What we struggle with is the hidden life. The stopping. The surrendering. The trusting when no one can see it. In this episode, Pete Scazzero explores one of the most countercultural truths in Scripture: you are not God. And that is the best news you'll hear all week. Drawing from Genesis, the life of Jesus, and two ancient disciplines (Sabbath and the Daily Office), Pete unpacks why our refusal to stop is rooted in the same rebellion as the garden. And why living in God's rhythms isn't weakness. It's the path to freedom, fruitfulness, and true maturity. If your calendar is driven by fear, your ministry by insecurity, or your pace by the crowd's demands, this episode is for you. Stop. Listen. Be free. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
Beyond Brainstorming: Leading a Team That Actually Hears God
2026/06/09
Most leadership teams know how to brainstorm. Very few know how to discern together. After more than 40 years of leading, one of my deepest regrets isn’t moral failure. It’s how many things I led that God never actually asked us to do. We had the money. We had the momentum. We had the energy. But we were moving fast  and we were missing God.  In this episode, I share what I’ve learned the hard way: adrenaline is not the Holy Spirit. And brainstorming is not discernment. I walk through five practices that can transform how your leadership team makes decisions  not out of anxiety, urgency, or ambition, but out of quiet listening, surrender, and communal hearing. This is slow work. It’s countercultural work. But it produces what every exhausted leader is desperate for: more peace, more freedom, and more alignment with Jesus. If your team is making big decisions right now, don’t miss this episode. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
Lectio Divina: A Slower, Truer Way to Hear God
2026/05/26
Most of us were trained to read the Bible the way we were trained to lead — move fast, cover ground, extract what's useful, and get back to work. But what if that approach, by itself, is keeping you from the very transformation you're trying to produce in others? In this episode, I want to share a practice that has shaped my life for almost thirty years. A practice I cannot live without. It's called Lectio Divina — holy reading — and I believe it may be the single most important shift a Christian leader can make in their relationship with Scripture and with God. I'll take you through the history of this practice, the ancient monastic stream of reading that treated the Bible not as a text to be mastered but as a sacrament — a place of encounter with the living God. I'll share the four movements that structure it, and exactly what it looked like in my own devotional life this past week. This isn't theory. I'll be honest with you about the years I spent reading the Bible the way I approached leadership: achieve, produce, get it done. What that approach cost me — in my prayer life, my preaching, my soul — is something I wish someone had told me at 30. Lectio Divina interrupts the cycle of leading from information rather than formation. It doesn't just inform your sermons — it transforms the person preaching them. And it begins with something shockingly simple: slowing down long enough to let the Word read you. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
How to Find God in Unexpected Places: The Examen for Today
2026/05/12
Most of us were trained to look for God in the big moments — the breakthrough, the open door, the dramatic call. But what if God is most consistently present in the ordinary moments we rush past every day? In this episode, I want to share a 500-year-old practice that has quietly transformed my leadership, my marriage, and my relationship with God. It's called the Examen — and I believe it may be the single most underused tool in the modern pastor's spiritual formation toolkit. I'll take you through the history of this practice, born out of the life of Ignatius of Loyola — a soldier brought low by a cannonball who discovered that God speaks through our interior movements. I'll share the 2-question version you can start today, and the fuller 4-movement practice the Jesuits have done twice a day for five centuries. This isn't theory. I'll be honest with you about the years I spent pushing past the heaviness in my chest — misreading desolation as something to overcome rather than something to hear. What I missed cost me. You don't have to miss it too. The Examen interrupts the cycle of leading from wounds and repeating old patterns. It teaches discernment, not just decision-making. And it begins with just two questions. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
How to Spend a Day (or Half Day) Alone with God—and Why It Matters
2026/04/28
Free Resource: Download the Day Alone with God Guide at emotionallyhealthy.org/sabbath Most leaders I know have a daily time with God. Very few ever stop long enough to actually hear Him. There's a difference between a longer quiet time and a day alone with God. One sustains you. The other re-orders you. And if you're honest, you know the difference—because you've felt what happens when your life gets disordered and nothing seems to bring it back into focus. In this episode, I'm walking you through how to spend a half day—or full day—alone with God, and why this practice may be the most important thing missing from your leadership right now. We'll look at how Jesus, Moses, Elijah, and Anna all built extended withdrawal into their lives with God—not as a luxury, but as a necessity. I'll also share a simple six-movement structure you can use right away, along with the fears and resistances that keep most leaders from ever doing this. Your leadership will only go as deep as your life with God. You cannot give what you don't have. This episode could change everything. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.
Designing a Daily Time with God that Fits You
2026/04/14
📥 Free Resource: Download our free guide to get started with the Daily Office emotionallyhealthy.org/dailyoffice One of the questions I get asked more than almost any other is: How do you spend time with God each day? What do you do? For how long? Is there a right way? Here's the truth I've learned over decades of pastoral ministry: there is no one-size-fits-all daily time with God. The goal was never a method—it was always a life of loving union with Him. In this episode, I take you on a personal journey through five distinct phases of my own prayer life—from intense Scripture study to intercessory prayer, from emotional health integration to contemplative rhythms rooted in monastic wisdom. Each phase taught me something essential. None of them, on their own, was the whole picture. Then I lay out six practical pillars you can use to design a daily rhythm with God that actually fits you—your season, your temperament, your calling. Whether you're a ministry leader under immense pressure or someone just trying to show up faithfully, this episode will help you stop copying someone else's spirituality and start building something sustainable and life-giving. The best daily time with God isn't the longest one. It's the one you'll actually keep. Join Us for a Free Webinar  Are You Measuring What Matters Most to Jesus: A New Scorecard for Success in Life and Leadership, Nov. 10th, 2 PM ET.  Learn more at emotionallyhealthy.org/webinar.

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AAMIJOH 2026/09/24
So Grateful for Pete
Throughout the last 10 or so years, like a counselor, Pete has walked us through so much growth in our lives. We are so grateful for the voice God has...
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obiwankologes 2026/04/18
Finally integrating emotional health the church
Really appreciated the wisdom in ministry experience and integration of psychological principals. I wish I could be in a q&a with Peter and ask about ...
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Rockin Professor 2025/08/09
Radically Transformational!
Abundance. With courage to be authentically transparent, Pete Scazzero uses Scripture to provoke a paradigm shift that elevates our lives. Slowing do...
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hanphotos 2025/01/29
Very helpful!!
We’re young pastors of a large church and even though we grew up in ministry there’s still so many things we’re learning and figuring out how to navig...
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Pr.Ayala 2024/12/24
Great podcast!
Thank you Pete Scazzero
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Biff Sanchez. 2024/05/29
Fantastic episode on parenting. Thank you. Look forward to part 2.
Many thanks to Pete for sharing the wisdom he has accumulated to a broad audience. Very applicable. Very challenging. Thank you, Pete.
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jvd917 2023/09/09
Great show
I am constantly reminded to slow down and rest
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inam20 2023/06/02
Transformative
Have been listening for years. Amazed how the podcasts seem so timely for me. Have read a few of their books. Centered on Jesus. Deep discipleship. Bi...
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clfuku 2022/12/27
Incredible Resource for Leaders!
I am constantly impressed by the depth of wisdom that is shared on this podcast. I have looked and looked for discipleship and leadership resources th...
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E diggy dawg 2022/12/27
Game changer for the new and old generations of church leaders
I’m a 20 year old Bible college student in my second year of schooling, and I cannot tell you how life changing this podcast has been for me. I just ...
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