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E235: The Power of Mentorship (Lessons from Jim O’Rourke)
2026/01/30
The Power of Mentorship
From Military to Corporate America: Leadership Lessons in From A Supply Chain Leader, Jim O'Rourke
Transitioning from military service to corporate America isn't just about landing a job, it's about preparing for a completely different operating environment. In our latest podcast episode, Cameron-Brooks alum Jim O'Rourke shares how humility, mentorship, and leadership frameworks helped him build a successful supply chain career after the military.
Why Military Transition Requires More Than a Resume
Most officers underestimate what it takes to succeed in corporate America."Humility is important in transitioning," Jim explains. Coming from the military, where rank and experience are clear, the corporate world requires a different approach. You're no longer the expert. You're the learner.
This mindset shift is critical for officers moving into leadership-intensive roles like supply chain management, operations, or manufacturing—where understanding team dynamics and business processes matters as much as decision-making ability.
The Role of Mentorship in Career Development
One of the most valuable aspects of Jim's transition was mentorship. But not just any mentorship: the kind that provides a "safe harbor for growth" and challenges your thinking.
"Mentoring is a safe harbor for growth," Jim notes. In corporate America, you need people who can help you navigate unwritten rules, decode organizational dynamics, and develop the critical thinking skills that separate good leaders from great ones.
Cameron-Brooks provides this structured mentorship during the transition process. What about after the transition? According to Jim, finding mentors within your company accelerates your career development long-term.
Understanding Supply Chain: More Than Logistics
For officers considering supply chain roles, Jim breaks down what this actually means. It's not just moving products. It requires leadership-intensive work in addition to the following:
- Managing across operations: Managing cross-functional teams across manufacturing, distribution, and planning
- Process optimization: Understanding the COGS (Cost of Goods Sold) ladder and how every decision impacts profitability
- Strategic thinking: Balancing production needs, customer demands, and financial constraints
"Clarity of purpose helps teams succeed," Jim emphasizes. In supply chain, that clarity comes from understanding how your decisions ripple through the entire organization.
What Makes Cameron-Brooks Candidates Different
In addition to his expertise in supply chain, he has been on the hiring side. When asked what differentiates Cameron-Brooks candidates, Jim pointed to two qualities:
1. Genuine preparation: They've done the work to understand industries, roles, and companies before interviews
2. Intellectual curiosity: They ask better questions because they've been coached to think critically about fit
"Cameron Brooks candidates are well-prepared and genuine in their approach," he observes. They're not just looking for any job...they're looking for the right career trajectory.
The Importance of Lifelong Learning
Jim's final piece of advice? Never stop learning.
Whether it's leadership books, industry podcasts, or formal training, lifelong learning is crucial for career advancement. The military teaches you to be adaptable. Corporate America rewards those who continuously evolve.
Ready to Start Your Transition?
If you're a company-grade or field-grade officer exploring what's next, Jim's story shows what's possible with the right preparation, humility, and mentorship.
Listen to the full episode wherever you listen to your podcasts.
Ready to explore your options?
Email: [email protected]
Call: 210-874-1500
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E234: Launching Pad or Landing Pad? What’s Ahead in 2026
2025/12/19
A Year-End Look at the JMO Transition Market
As the year winds down, a lot of Junior Military Officers are asking the same thing: What does the market actually look like right now? And what should I be doing about it?
In the latest Cameron-Brooks podcast, our CEO, Chuck Alvarez, and Senior Vice President, Joel Junker, break down where things stand at the end of 2025. The short answer: the market isn’t easy, but there are still great opportunities out there.
Uncertain Economy
There’s no question the economy feels uncertain. Global conflict, political gridlock, and nonstop headlines about AI have made companies more cautious. Hiring has slowed in many corporate roles, and expectations are higher across the board. But here’s the part that often gets missed: companies are still investing heavily in leaders who can run teams, solve problems, and deliver results.
That’s where mindset matters.
What does 2026 look like?
Looking ahead to 2026, that gap is only going to widen.
AI isn’t replacing leaders, but it is raising the bar. Companies expect new hires to show up ready to learn, ready to adapt, and ready to drive outcomes. Officers who prepare early, by learning the basics of business, understanding how data and finance work, and translating their military leadership into real business impact—will stand out. Officers who wait until separation to start thinking about all of this will feel the market’s friction much more sharply.
Launching Pad vs. Landing Pad
Additionally, Joel and Chuck talk about the difference between a landing pad and a launching pad. A landing pad feels safe. It prioritizes location, familiarity, and getting comfortable quickly. For many officers, that leads to internships or roles that don’t fully use their leadership experience—and frustration sets in fast.
A launching pad is different. It treats the transition as the start of a long leadership journey, not the finish line. Launching pad roles are harder. They come with more responsibility, steeper learning curves, and sometimes less geographic control. But they also create momentum: early wins, faster growth, and compounding "opportunity" interest over time.
Prepare to Gain Control
The year-end message is simple: you may not be able to control the economy, but you can control how prepared you are for it.
If you want 2026 to be a year of growth rather than regret, build a launching pad now.
Listen to the full Cameron-Brooks podcast for a candid conversation on the market, mindset, and what it really takes to transition well.
Thinking about your next steps? We're more than happy to talk.
E233: Alumni Roundtable: Two Career Conference Success Stories
2025/12/19
Check out our latest Alumni Panel after the November 2025 Career Conference. Brock Dudley sits down with:
Cody Williams (Army Air Defense, Major | Caterpillar, Senior Production Manager)
Ian Burgess (Air Force Intelligence, Captain | Twist Bioscience, Account Manager)
You cannot control the market, but you can control how prepared you are. Cody and Ian started early, stayed open to learning, and trusted the process. In turn, their preparation led to fantastic, well-aligned career launches.
This is not just about landing a job. It is about building a long-term leadership career. For more than 50 years, Cameron-Brooks has helped JMOs do exactly that. If you are considering your next move, now is the time to prepare.
https://youtu.be/oSYdpYoVfPQ
If you'd like to learn more from other recent alums about their experience, listen to the alumni roundtable from after the August 2025 Career Conference.
If you'd like to speak with a career coach, we're happy to talk.
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E232: Process Thinking Will Supercharge Your Military to Business Transition
2025/11/19
How Process Thinking Will Supercharge Your Military to Business Transition
On this episode of the Cameron-Brooks Podcast, Senior Vice President Joel Junker sits down with Phil Ranck, founder of Lean Alaska and a retired Army CW4 logistician. Phil shares how Lean Six Sigma helped him shift from “fix the person” to “fix the process. Additionally, he shares why that mindset is critical for junior military officers (JMOs) moving into business leadership roles. More specifically, if you’re preparing for interviews or your first role post-military, this conversation is packed with practical takeaways you can apply immediately. In short, developing your process thinking will supercharge your military to business transition.
From Warrant Officer to Process Leader
Phil joined the Army intending to serve two years—and stayed for 24. Along the way, Lean Six Sigma gave him a language and framework to communicate with commanders, diagnose issues, and drive change. His big lesson: most failures aren’t individual—they’re process problems. That perspective reshaped his leadership and later inspired Lean Alaska, where he now trains and consults across industry. Additionally, in his role, he translates “military speak” to the terms hiring managers understand.
Why Lean & Six Sigma Belong in Your Toolkit
Whether you’re headed to operations, manufacturing, sales, or project management, Phil argues that a baseline in Lean and Six Sigma helps you see—and explain—value. He breaks it down with DMAIC (Define, Measure, Analyze, Improve, Control). More specifically, he talks about resisting the urge to jump straight to solutions; measuring the baseline; finding root causes; then improving and controlling so changes stick. You’ve likely been doing parts of this already. Certifications and vocabulary simply give you the framework to tell your story in interviews and in your first 90 days.
Reading, Certifications, Funding, and Flexible Learning
At a minimum if you are a JMO considering a transition, you will want to familiarize yourself with business concepts like Lean, Six Sigma, Project Management and Change Management. You watch YouTube Vidoes, take classes on Coursera, and read books such as What is Lean Six Sigma, Fundamentals of Project Management, Leading Change and The Goal.
If you have time and the financial resources, you can earn certifications. There are numerous organizations and universities that offer official learning at a reasonable cost, or investment. A certification does not ensure transition success, though it does indicate mastery of a subject.
A few Cameron-Brooks Alumni have earned certifications through Lean Alaska. Phil emphasizes no out-of-pocket when possible—leveraging Army Credentialing Assistance, Post-9/11 GI Bill, and other pathways. The program also helps you build a portfolio you can bring to interviews to prove real impact. He also partners with bodies like ASQ, PMI, and ACMP, and delivers virtual, recorded, repeatable training focused on doing, not just testing.
ConclusionIf you want a practical roadmap to translate your military experience into business results—and speak the language of industry—don’t miss this episode. Hear Phil’s stories, learn the tools, and discover funding paths that make upskilling attainable. Listen now and turn your transition into a process you can lead.
The Cameron-Brooks Mission
At Cameron-Brooks, we guide officers through the transition and accompany them along the journey to de-risk the transition and help them reach their goals.
We help JMOs transition into leadership developmental roles where they can apply their talents and lead teams and organizations that flourish.
If you want to talk more about your options, don’t hesitate to reach out.
Your transition partner,
Joel Junker | [email protected]
Want to learn more? Request your free 1-on-1 coaching session: Personal Marketability Assessment | Cameron-Brooks.
E231: Military to Consulting: Pat Curran’s Story
2025/11/03
From Army Artillery Officer to Managing Director in Consulting
Lauren Kordzik, Principal at Cameron-Brooks, sat down with Cameron-Brooks alum Pat Curran to discuss his leadership journey from the military to consulting.
When Pat left the Army in 2013, he had a strong operations background and years of leading teams under pressure. After active duty, Pat started his business career at EMCOR and later continued to grow his career at CBRE and through his MBA at Penn State. Today, he serves as Managing Director at Greencastle Associates, a 100% veteran-owned consulting firm.
While Pat relied on his leadership skills from the Army, Pat emphasized the importance of continuous growth and improvement. Below are some key highlights from the conversation as well as Pat's advice for evolving as a leader.
Building a Leadership Style for Business
When reflecting on how he adjusted his leadership style, Pat shared a few key tips:
Balance confidence and humility. Know what you bring to the table, but stay open to learning.
Lead from the trenches. Build trust through what you do, not just your title.
Be transparent. Be willing to admit mistakes and work with people, not above them.
Evolve how you lead. Command structure works in the military. In business, influence, collaboration, and reading the room matter more.
In addition to advice about leadership style, Pat has advice for the aspiring consultant.
Advice for Building a Career in Consulting
For those looking to one day be a managing director in consulting, Pat has some advice:
Work on your people skills. Technical knowledge matters, but relationships are what move your career forward. Listen first, validate what you hear, and show clients you care beyond just getting the deal.
Think like an entrepreneur. Especially in smaller firms, be ready to jump in wherever you're needed and help the company win.
Understand what consulting is really about. You're there to solve client problems and deliver real results.
Keep reading. Pat recommends The Go-Giver, Trusted Advisor, Getting Naked by Patrick Lencioni, and What Got You Here Won't Get You There by Marshall Goldsmith.
Want to hear more from Pat? Check out our full conversation on the podcast.
At Cameron-Brooks, we help officers transition from the military into another fulfilling career in business. Whether you are looking to move from the military to consulting or you are looking to explore your options, we're here to help.
Want to learn more about a career in consulting? Check out our career fields page.
Want advice about your marketability in the business world? We would be happy to talk.
E230: Military Leadership in Action: Self-Transcendence at Johnsonville
2025/10/13
In this episode, I sit down with Cory Bouck—former Navy Naval Flight Officer, Cameron-Brooks alum, and author of The Lens of Leadership: Being the Leader Others Want to Follow. Together, we explore how military-honed leadership translates into exceptional business results. Today, Cory is making a significant impact in the private sector at Johnsonville Sausage, where culture, coaching, and performance go hand-in-hand. Importantly, this is a great example of self-transcendent military leadership in action in corporate America.
This is Cory's second time being a guest on the podcast. If you missed it, you can listen to his first episode here.
Here is what we cover in this episode:
Inside Johnsonville’s Leadership Culture
Cory opens the curtain on Johnsonville’s mission: create the environment where each of us is required to fully develop our God-given talents—and help others do the same.
Leaders are called “coaches"
Employees are “members"
The Johnsonville Way shows up daily through values like Humble Candor, Collaborative Teamwork, Learning Agility, and Personal Commitment.
Together, these values create a culture of straight talk delivered with care, high standards, and real growth.
Why JMOs Fit and Thrive
Cory explains why junior military officers are prized: they lead up, down, and across, stay relentlessly focused on mission accomplishment, and learn fast. Moreover, that mindset maps directly to Johnsonville’s values and to the expectations of modern companies that need adaptable leaders who close gaps, build teams, and deliver outcomes.
The Lens of Leadership: Serve • Build • Inspire
Drawing from his book, Cory starts with followership—a set of learnable, practical skills that make you professionally essential while creating chances to demonstrate superior leadership. He shares tools like an Impact Map to connect new skills to on-the-job applications, team metrics, and company results. He also talked about the 70-20-10 learning model (learn most by doing).
By applying these tools, leaders can see tangible results while developing themselves and their teams.
Why Listen
If you’re a JMO considering a transition, this episode of PCS to Corporate America demonstrates how to:
Maintain your service-first identity while growing as a leader
Thrive in your first corporate role
Evaluate company culture effectively
Use AI as a force multiplier for high-impact leadership
Overall, listen to learn how to carry your military edge into business and become the leader others want to follow.
The Cameron-Brooks Mission
At Cameron-Brooks, we guide officers through the transition and accompany them along the journey to de-risk the transition and help them reach their goals.
We help JMOs transition into leadership developmental roles where they can apply their talents and lead teams and organizations that flourish.
If you want to talk more about your options, don’t hesitate to reach out.
Your transition partner,
Joel Junker | [email protected]
E229: Alumni Roundtable: Early Preparation to Military to Business Transition Success
2025/10/08
Lessons from Cameron-Brooks Alumni on Military to Business Transition Success
Each Cameron-Brooks Career Conference represents a major career event for our JMOs. In these military to business transition successes, officers together years of military service and months, (maybe even years of preparation in the Development and Preparation Program). Then, they interview with Industry leading companies in business. Our JMOs at the August 2025 Career Conference averaged 10.3 interviews over a two-day period. Additionally, every single JMO was pursued into the follow up process.
Recently, I had the opportunity to sit down with my teammate Geoff Fries and three Cameron-Brooks alumni who attended the August Conference. In this episode, they share their experiences and insights pre-conference in DPP, during the conference, and during the post-conference where they earned offers, evaluated them and made a decision to launch their next career.
Together, we unpacked their stories and explored what their preparation, mindset, and execution looked like resulting in their military to business transition successes.
Below, I’ll highlight their lessons, strategies, and mindsets - from early preparation to behavioral interviews and ultimately into final decision-making.
Meet the Alumni: Three Distinct Paths to Success
Before diving into strategies, here’s where these three standout officers landed:
Matt Dahlager, an Army Military Intelligence Captain, joined Ubicquia, a smart grid technology company that leverages sensors and AI to improve energy infrastructure. He’ll serve as an Area Sales Manager for the Ohio River Valley region.
Spencer Preston, a former Marine Corps officer, accepted a role as a Summit Fellow at USAA in San Antonio, Texas. He’ll rotate through key leadership areas such as CEO staff, property and casualty operations, or CFO development roles.
Weslee Warren, a Navy Surface Warfare Officer, joined Corning Optical Communications in Charlotte, North Carolina, where he’ll work as a Technical Program Manager driving fiber-to-the-premises projects and collaborating with engineering and product teams.
Building a Foundation: Start Early
One of the strongest themes in our conversation was the value of time spent in DPP. On average, candidates spend about 11 months preparing through the Cameron-Brooks program.
Spencer prepared for 38 months.
Wes spent about one year.
Matt invested nearly two years.
During that time, Cameron-Brooks was able to meet them multiple times for in person and virtual preparation sessions, which allowed them to:
Build Trust with Cameron-Brooks
Early engagement allowed each candidate to develop a trusted relationship with the Cameron-Brooks team - vital since our team members advocate for each candidate directly with partner companies.
Conduct Self-Assessment and Reflection
Before they could tell their story to companies, they had to understand it themselves. This meant revisiting military experiences in order to translate their military experiences into relevant business leadership accomplishment with clear impact and results. Leadership, problem-solving, mission alignment, etc. and how that translates into private-sector value.
Learn Business Skills and Apply them
They didn’t just study business - they applied it. By integrating recognized industry concepts that they learned in DPP such as Lean Six Sigma into their current military duties, they created concrete examples that later became powerful interview stories.
Invest in themselves
Hundreds of hours of practice, reflection, and preparation went into preparation before the Conference.
Learning to Speak the Language of Business
Each alumnus emphasized how critical it was to learn the language of the Business.
Their Go-To Learning Tools:
Books and Business Education: They read extensively - diving into leadership, finance, and operations management books, reviews, articles,
E228: Self-Transcendent Leadership: Enabling Others to Flourish
2025/09/24
A Journey Toward Self-Transcendent Leadership
In January 2023, I began a long-term goal to earn a Master's degree. Initially, my intentions were to learn, grow, and yes, to "check that box" that I had a Master's degree. While I did all three of those things, earning my degree in December 2024, what really happened is that I examined my leadership, who I was, who I was becoming, how I impacted others around me, and how I wanted to lead for the rest of my career. As I look back, I learned that enabling others to thrive was a core part of self-transcendent leadership.
When I enrolled in the Gonzaga University Master's of Organizational Leadership program, I would not have described myself as selfish. Yet through my coursework and reflections, I learned I had several self-embedded leadership behaviors. As I looked more closely, I learned that these behaviors stifle or inhibit others' growth and development. By learning how to be more self-transcendent, focusing on others, and the greater good of the organization and people, a few things happened. Firstly, I became a more effective leader. Secondly, I enjoyed work more. Thirdly, I experienced more positive organizational outcomes.
In this episode of the PCS to Corporate America Podcast, I share some of my journey, explain why being self-transcendent is so important and necessary, and the steps we can take immediately to be less selfish and more serving of others and our organizations.
Self-Transcendent Leadership: Going Beyond Yourself
In transitioning from the military to a business leadership role, it’s easy to focus on personal goals—promotions, achievements, recognition. These are not bad. However, as leaders, our greatest impact comes when we go beyond ourselves. Self-transcendent leadership, inspired by Viktor Frankl’s Man’s Search for Meaning, means pursuing purpose beyond personal gain—serving others, creating excellence for its own sake, and finding meaning even in challenges.
Why It Matters In Business
We all live and work within organizations: companies, teams, boards, and communities. Leaders profoundly shape whether these organizations enable people to flourish or become stifling. In our work organizations, where we spend most of our waking hours, leaders have a duty to create environments where team members feel valued, engaged, and able to use their talents. This responsibility is especially critical for those making the leap from military service, where purpose and camaraderie are deeply ingrained.
Practical Ways to Lead Beyond Yourself
Self-transcendence doesn’t require grand gestures—it’s built in everyday moments. For example:
Be present in conversations.
Show genuine curiosity about your teammates.
Smile and greet people each morning.
Offer a word of encouragement or practical help, like bringing someone coffee.
And when tough decisions arise—such as giving candid feedback or reorganizing a team—lead with honesty, kindness, and a commitment to the other person’s long-term good.
Questions to Guide Your Journey To Self-Transcendent Leadership
Ask yourself:
How do I want others to be different because of my leadership?
What do I need to let go of to lead for others, not just myself?
As Frankl wrote, “It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expects from us.” In your transition to business, consider—what does your organization expect of you right now, and how can you answer with leadership that transcends self-interest?
The Cameron-Brooks Mission
Our mission at Cameron-Brooks is to help guide officers through the transition and accompany them along the journey to de-risk the process of transitioning to the civilian world and help them reach their goals.
We aim to equip JMOs with the tools and the necessary reflection and preparation required to successfully transition into leadership developmental roles that will allow them to use their talents and skills to lead teams and organiza...
E227: How JMOs Can Win in Today’s Market
2025/09/05
2025 Mid-Year Review: How Junior Military Officers Can Win in Today's Market
As we've passed the midpoint of 2025 and we look towards the end of 2025, our CEO, Chuck Alvarez, and Senior Vice President, Joel Junker, offered an in-depth review of today’s economic and career landscape. Their discussion was both candid and encouraging. And in doing so, they provided clarity on how JMOs can win in today's market.
This was recorded in in July 2025, and with recent economic data and news with respect to the labor markets, found it fitting to launch.
The "New Normal" Economy
The global economy has entered what Chuck and Joel describe as a “new normal” - a period likely to last the next 10 to 20 years. Unlike past downturns, this environment is shaped by long-term, structural shifts:
First, interest rates and inflation remain high. The Federal Reserve raised rates by 500 basis points, slowing consumer spending and making it harder for businesses to borrow money.
Second, geopolitical uncertainty is making companies more cautious. Conflicts overseas, policy changes at home, and an election year have all slowed down hiring decisions.
Third, artificial intelligence is reshaping the workplace. AI and automation are changing white-collar roles. Companies are building leaner teams but expect employees to bring stronger skills.
The White-Collar Recession: What It Means For JMOs
Joel highlighted the ongoing white-collar recession. Compared to 2022, there are about 3% fewer white-collar jobs available, with companies paying more attention to every new hire. Adding to this:
College graduates face unemployment rates between 6-7%.
Veterans hover around 6% unemployment, higher than the national average.
MBA graduates aren’t immune either - 25% of Harvard Business School’s Class of 2025 were unemployed at graduation.
At first glance, these numbers may seem discouraging. But the silver lining is that the jobs that remain are more complex, high-impact, and reserved for exceptional leaders. For prepared JMOs, this is a tremendous opportunity to transition out and add value to your future employer in a tighter market.
Why JMOs Have a Competitive Edge
Despite the tough environment, Chuck and Joel emphasized that highly capable JMOs remain in strong demand. Companies are looking for leaders who can solve problems, collaborate across functions, and drive results under pressure - all strengths forged through military service.
In fact, the shift toward fewer but more demanding roles plays directly to the strengths of transitioning officers. JMOs bring:
Proven leadership in high-stakes environments
Analytical and problem-solving skills developed in dynamic conditions
A servant-leader mindset that aligns with today’s emphasis on collaboration and impact
However, natural ability alone isn’t enough. Preparation is the differentiator.
The Mindset That Wins
Joel used a powerful analogy: you can’t “roll out of bed and run a marathon.” Just as an athlete trains months in advance, JMOs must approach their transition with disciplined preparation.
Key mindsets include:
Excellence mindset – hold yourself to the highest standard and commit to continuous learning.
Giver mindset – focus on serving others and lead with humility.
Growth mindset – embrace change, pursue challenging assignments, and avoid the trap of underemployment.
This combination of preparation and mindset ensures JMOs not only compete but thrive against experienced business professionals and MBAs.
Preparation + Mindset = The JMO Advantage
At Cameron-Brooks, we’ve seen this proven time and again. Our Development and Preparation Program (DPP) equips JMOs to compete for high-complexity roles, with candidates averaging 10 interviews per Career Conference and on average more than 95% of those leading to follow-ups or offers.
The takeaway is clear: with the right preparation an...
E226: Post June 2025 CC Review
2025/08/26
Cameron-Brooks June 2025 Career Conference Review: Insights for Your Military-to-Business Transition
Transitioning from the military to a professional business career is a pivotal moment for any Junior Military Officer (JMO). At Cameron-Brooks, our mission is to help JMOs navigate this career transition with clarity and confidence through a three-step approach:
1) Prepare
2) Search
3) Launch
Our June 2025 Post-Conference Review offered a deep dive into the April Career Conference results and shared actionable insights for those preparing for the August 2025 conference, and those in the Cameron-Brooks Development and Preparation Program.
I was joined by three recent Cameron-Brooks Alumnus who attended the Conference: Jesse DeVries (Caterpillar), Patrick McMahan (Intuitive Surgical), and Connor McNamara (Optimized Process Designs, LLC - a Koch Engineered Solutions company.
Whether you are actively preparing for your transition or simply exploring what’s possible, here are the biggest takeaways from our latest Career Conference and alumni panel.
June 2025 Conference Recap: A Fast-Paced Career Launchpad
The Cameron-Brooks Career Conference is a 4.5 day, high-intensity event, where you'll meet with Hiring Managers for open positions from industry leading companies spanning across multiple industries. At the June Conference, 46 JMOs attended, and 445 interviews were conducted. Every single JMO was "pursued" to the next round of interviews.
These open positions are highly complex, designed to be filled by high-performing junior leadership talent in order to get into a company's succession planning.
With about two openings per position on average, some opportunities were highly competitive single openings, while others offered broader geographic flexibility and multiple openings. Every JMO had multiple pathways to success.
Navigating the Market and Maximizing Interviews
Despite a competitive economy - high interest rates and unemployment hovering around 4.2% (Which is relatively normal) - The JMOs interviewed for premium roles in leadership, operations, sales, and engineering.
Key lessons from the conference:
Be a Giver: Successful candidates focused on solving the company problem first (The open position). When candidates successfully connected their background, built rapport and demonstrated genuine interest in that position, the companies reciprocated with a pursuit for the next round of interviews, and then offers onsite.
Preparation Drives Pursuits: The best-prepared JMOs - those who dressed for success, mastered their stories, and tailored their answers - earned the most follow-up interviews. There was a direct correlation between time spent in preparation (Phase 1 -Preparation), and successfully launching (Phase 3 - Launch).
Embrace a Broad Search: Flexibility in industry and location opened the door for a broader search (Phase 2 - Search).
The average time from conference to signed offer was 13.25 working days, with some candidates accepting in as few as six working days.
Preparing Like a Pro: The Cameron-Brooks Process
Our alumni panel reinforced the importance of preparation prior to, during, and post-conference.
Pre-Conference
Development & Preparation Program (DPP): Build your foundation, refine your stories, and understand how your military experience translates.
Study Groups: Considered the most valuable tool for refining answers and building confidence.
Mock Interviews: Essential to remove military jargon and communicate stories effectively.
Reading List: Builds business acumen and helps connect with the interviewers, and recognized industry practices and topics such as: Lean, Six Sigma, Data Analytics, etc.
During the Conference
Company Briefings: Every JMO received a 30-minute briefing on every company they interviewed with accelerating their knowledge on each company, and what skills were necessary to connect on and be su...
E225: Avoid the Career Do-Over – Transition Rule #5
2025/07/23
E225: Avoid the Career Do-Over - Transition Rule #5
When it comes to transitioning from the military to the business world, you want to avoid the career do-over. Many officers define a successful transition by landing that first post-military job. At Cameron-Brooks, we define the transition not by accepting a job. We define a successful transition as 3-4 years down the road when you’ve transitioned from a military leader into a business leader with a track record of results.
That’s why Rule #5 in our Career Transition Playbook is: Avoid the Career Do-Over.
Joining me is Lauren Kordzik, one of our Principals on the client side of our business, joined me to discuss the Career Do-Overs as she spends her time working with JMOs in our program at the Conference and in the Follow-Up Process. Lauren works closely with our client companies and has deep insight into what companies are looking for in high-performing JMOs. She also spends most of her time between conferences working with our Alumni who have successfully transitioned out, so she has credible and valuable insights and data points into personal and professional life post military.
Before we get into Rule 5 - the final rule in the Cameron-Brooks JMO Transition Rules to business - let's recap the Cameron-Brooks JMO Transition Rules 1-4:
1. E218: Transition Rule #1 – Don’t Do It Alone
2. E219: Transition Rule #2 – Develop an Investment Mindset
3. E220: Transition Rule #3 – Build a Non-Traditional Career Search Strategy
4. E223: Transition Rule #4 – Embrace the Growth Mindset: Past Success ≠ Future Success
What Is a Career Do-Over?
A career do-over happens when someone pivots out of a role too quickly - sometimes within 6 to 12 months - because the position didn’t meet expectations, or one feels underemployed. Essentially, it’s a restart that often stems from a misaligned strategy, impatience, or a misunderstanding of how to grow a business career.
Lauren put it best during a recent conversation: “The transition doesn’t end when you accept the job. It starts there. The honeymoon period fades quickly, and that’s when the real learning and growth begins.”
Why Job-Hopping Hurts Your Trajectory
We often use the analogy of a wedding cake. A successful business career builds layer upon layer - roles, projects, mentors, results. But frequent job changes early in a career leave you with cupcakes instead of a tiered cake. There’s no foundation to support long-term growth.
Lauren offered another great metaphor: Candyland. Every job change sends you back to the beginning of the gameboard. You’re not progressing; you’re just starting over again and again. By the time someone hits their early 30s, they may have worked at 3 or 4 companies with little to show in terms of upward mobility or leadership progression.
Another analogy that I often use is taking early withdrawals from a retirement account. When you take early withdrawals, you can be penalized and have to pay taxes. If this were your career, you don’t just lose what you withdraw, but you also interrupt the compounding growth in your career, resulting in losses over time.
In both cases, short-term decisions can sabotage long-term success and limit the full potential of your investment. You also lose momentum, making it harder to build the kind of upward trajectory that leads to greater responsibility, leadership, and future opportunity.
Focus on Intrinsic Motivators Over Extrinsic Rewards
One of the biggest drivers of do-overs? Choosing a job based solely on extrinsic factors—money, location, title. While those are important, they shouldn’t outweigh intrinsic factors like culture fit, learning opportunities, and how well the role aligns with your natural talents.
Lauren referenced Stephen Covey’s “Big rocks in the jar" analogy. You must define what matters to you most (The Big Rocks), before starting your search. Ask yourself:
Will this role allow me to grow?
E224: Beau Hughes – JMO to Corporate Procurement
2025/06/24
Beau Hughes – HF Sinclair: Corporate Procurement Leader
It was an absolute pleasure to have my good friend, Beau Hughes, join me on the PCS to Corporate America Podcast. Beau works for HF Sinclair as a Procurement Supervisor in their Corporate Procurement team. Find out how Beau went from JMO to Corporate Procurement Leader in our latest podcast.
Beau was one of the first JMOs I had the opportunity to work with when I joined Cameron-Brooks in 2023. Since then, we’ve grown close, and I’ve enjoyed watching him build a successful life and career after the Army.
A former U.S. Army Logistics Officer, Beau launched his corporate career in November 2023 with HF Sinclair in Tulsa, OK. Right after accepting the offer through the November 2023 Career Conference, Beau and his wife welcomed their son into the world. Since then, things haven’t slowed down.
Within his first year, Beau earned a promotion and returned to a Career Conference as a hiring manager, where he hired another Cameron-Brooks Alumnus.
Beau’s transition from the Army to a rising leader in corporate procurement is full of lessons for junior military officers. His story is inspiring, practical, and worth hearing.
Transitioning to Civilian Life with Purpose
With a baby on the way and a strong desire to be more present at home, Beau made the decision to leave the Army in early 2023. Like many officers, he started the job search on his own and quickly saw how challenging it can be to navigate the civilian hiring process.
That’s when a friend pointed him to Cameron-Brooks. After connecting with our team in August, Beau attended the November 2023 Career Conference and landed a Procurement Specialist role with HF Sinclair.
“Cameron-Brooks made the process easy. I just had to show up prepared.”
Redefining Procurement: Strategy Over Purchasing
At HF Sinclair, Beau learned quickly that procurement is far more strategic than most people think.
“I get a little offended when people call it purchasing. We’re building partnerships to achieve the lowest total cost of ownership, not just buying stuff.”
His responsibilities include managing sourcing events, writing contracts, and being a strategic partner to internal teams. He found success quickly, even leading one of the smoothest refinery turnarounds in the company’s recent history.
Earning a Promotion and Managing Life Transitions
The first year wasn’t easy, but it was worth it. In March 2025, a little over a year after starting, Beau was promoted to Procurement Supervisor and relocated to El Dorado, Kansas.
Despite a steep learning curve and the demands of a new role, Beau felt supported throughout the process.
“You’re not just thrown to the wolves. You’re challenged, yes, but supported the whole way.”
During this time, Beau also navigated becoming a new dad, moving states, and buying a home. He also mentioned the value of having more predictability in his schedule. He’s not necessarily working less, but he has more control.
Beau’s Advice for JMOs
Beau had some solid advice for fellow officers considering a move to business:
Be hungry and humble – Learn fast, ask questions, and show up ready to work.
Own your learning – No one’s handing you a manual. Be proactive.
Stay authentic – Companies want the real you, not a script.
Trust the process – The Cameron-Brooks program works if you do the work.
“It’s not instant gratification, but it works. You just have to grind, learn, and grow.”
What Makes Cameron-Brooks Candidates Stand Out?
Now that Beau is a hiring manager, he sees firsthand the quality of Cameron-Brooks candidates:
They’re prepared.
They present themselves well.
They’re confident, not arrogant.
They’re genuine.
Beau shared a story about a candidate who wore a suit to a casual interview. He didn’t have to, but it made a lasting impression.
Final Thoughts: Growth, Grit, and Giving Back
E223: Transition Rule #4 – Past Success Does Not Equal Future Success
2025/05/27
E223: Transition Rule #4 – Past Success ≠ Future Success
Why do we say, "Past success does not equal future success?" This episode is for those transitioning JMOs who have experienced past success in the military and are working towards business leadership careers. Also, it is for those who have tasted success in the military and who want to avoid missteps in the transition.
I teamed up with Tim Kirchner, and together we cover the following topics:
Ego vs. Authentic-Self
The ways past success can create a sense of comfort, control, and security. How it can make us feel like we've "arrived".
How it can cloud our judgment and decision-making skills.
Different ways we naturally tend to lose focus and get caught up in urgent and daily tasks, and how those things can get in the way of our goals.
I share my experience and how I struggled with an unhealthy belief of "being owed" something in my next chapter.
Being clear about your desired result and the value of seeking guidance and adopting a growth mindset, regardless of experience level.
Past success is a very strong indicator of future potential.
Encouragement on not losing focus, making the transition a priority, and how to stay a student in the transition.
That’s why Transition Rule #4 is: Past Success ≠ Future Success—not unless you change how you think and prepare.
What Does “Past Success Does Not Equal Future Success” Mean?
In the military, many leaders have led teams, made critical decisions, and delivered strong results. Success often followed a clear structure and defined roles.
However, the business world operates differently. Past achievements don’t automatically lead to future success in a new environment.
There are two challenges that frequently show up during the transition:
1. EgoSome assume their accomplishments will speak for themselves. Yet, most hiring managers don’t fully understand military roles. It becomes important to connect the dots and clearly show how experience applies.
2. Lack of FocusTransition preparation often gets delayed. Busy schedules take over, and planning gets pushed aside until it’s nearly too late.
Where Do These Challenges Appear Most Often?
In Interviews:Even high-performing JMOs have received feedback such as, “Didn’t show enough business understanding.” In these cases, the leadership skills were there—but the candidate hadn’t prepared in the way business leaders expected.
During Preparation:Some officers in our Development & Preparation Program (DPP) initially struggled to stay on track. On the other hand, those who began early and followed a clear plan arrived prepared—and it showed in their interviews.
Why This Rule Matters
Success in one setting doesn’t guarantee success in another. Military leadership typically involves giving orders and following a chain of command. In contrast, business leadership calls for influence, adaptability, and quick decision-making.
To thrive, adapting to new expectations is essential.
The Right Mindset
Stay Focused:Clear career goals help guide daily decisions. Every step forward should move closer to that goal.
Stay Hungry and Humble:A learning mindset is critical. Seeking advice from those who understand both military and business environments can make a big difference. Staying hungry to grow and humble enough to learn creates long-term success.
What to Do Next
Start early.Don’t wait to begin preparing. A strong plan—beyond just a resume—builds clarity and confidence. The earlier the process begins, the better the outcome. Simply put, early action leads to better results.
The Big Takeaway
Military experience builds a strong foundation, but it’s only the beginning.
Growth in business comes to those who remain coachable, curious, and committed to learning. That mindset earns the next success.
Let’s Take the Next Step Together
If you realize past success does not equal future success,
E222: April 2025 Post Conference Review
2025/05/21
April 2025 Post-Conference Review: Leadership in an Uncertain Market
Our April 2025 Post-Conference Review is live! The officers who attended the Career Conference have officially completed the follow-up process and made important career decisions. Over the last four weeks, they met with hiring managers from companies across the country, both virtually and in person. These meetings gave them a deeper look at company cultures, job responsibilities, and long-term opportunities. We are incredibly proud of how each candidate showed up with strong preparation, professionalism, and leadership.
Despite ongoing economic challenges, including inflation, tariffs, and supply chain issues, companies continue to invest in top leadership talent. Every company at the conference came ready to hire. The strong pursuit rate and average number of interviews per candidate reflect the high level of preparation and performance shown by our JMOs. Their ability to communicate clearly, think critically, and adapt quickly helped them stand out.
To explore these trends and hear real stories from the field, check out our latest Cameron-Brooks Podcast episode. We spoke with recent alumni Chris Sharp, AJ Sotillo and Justin Martinez, who shared their personal experiences from the conference and follow-up phase. Each of them took a unique path, but common themes of resilience, clarity, and learning stood out.
In this episode, you’ll hear:
Key trends from the April 2025 Conference
How candidates approached follow-up interviews
How they evaluated companies and chose the right roles
The hardest parts of the transition
Actionable advice for JMOs preparing for their own career search
Congratulations to the April 2025 candidates and the client companies who partnered with us. Your hard work, commitment, and willingness to grow continue to inspire our team and community.
Brock Dudley
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E221: Healthy Leaders are Strong Leaders
2025/05/13
Transitioning from the military to business brings immense opportunities and new challenges. While you bring valuable skills from your service, focusing on personal well-being and the importance of self-care is crucial for effective leadership in your next career.
In this podcast, I interview Sarah Draper about how learning to pause, meditate, and spending time in silence are tools for self-care. Dr. Adrian Popa, podcast guest from Episode 213, introduced me to Sarah through her 2024 TEDx talk.
Sarah is a former FBI agent, a graduate of West Point, and an Army veteran. Today, she operates her own leadership and consulting practice. Sarah emphasizes that truly serving others as a leader requires taking care of yourself first. She notes a past belief in service-oriented cultures that self-care is selfish, but this leads to a cumulative negative impact of burnout.
Burnout, characterized by exhaustion, lack of professional efficacy, and sometimes cynicism, is a real risk. When leaders neglect themselves, they can unintentionally push their stress onto their teams, hindering performance. Learning to recognize when something feels "off" internally is vital for adaptation and growth.
Sarah shares tangible tools to build resilience and focus on the importance of self-care. Mindfulness meditation, even just 10-15 minutes daily, trains your mind to manage distractions and improves focus. A gratitude practice, like noting three good things, helps counteract our brain's negativity bias and fosters a more positive perspective. Intentional breath work offers quick techniques to manage stress and regulate your nervous system in challenging moments.
Developing these "human skills" and fostering trusted relationships is key to continuous self-development and crucial for leaders navigating transitions. Prioritizing your well-being isn't selfish; it's essential for you to be your best leader in the business world.
I am incredibly grateful to have met Sarah, and I appreciate her devoting her time and support to transitioning military officers and Cameron-Brooks.
To learn more, check out our podcast, Cameron-Brooks: PCS to Corporate America. You can also visit our website at cameron-brooks.com or follow us on LinkedIn.
If you’d like to talk through your goals and build a plan, I’d love to connect. Let’s take the next step together.
Joel
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cjudstra 2021/03/24
Great professional development
Love hearing from these experts on transition strategy, mainly because their advice can be used for every interview and human interaction for the rest...
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Golden Nuggets
There are so many life lessons and tips on self development and personal growth! I truly enjoy each podcast and the success stories!
KimBal27 2017/11/30
Very informative
As a future transitioning JMO, it's fun to hear the experiences and advice of folks who have been in my shoes.
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