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2016/09/23
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2026/09/17
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The Institute for Local Self-Reliance’s podcast presenting empowering stories and transformative ideas that break monopoly power and drive community resilience, equitable economies, and sustainable futures.

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The Data Centers Are Coming: Bonus Ep. 1 - A New Lens on Community
2026/09/17
Danny gets an intriguing email from Joe Cuccio, a photographer on a years-long mission to document data centers and the physical infrastructure of the digital cloud. When Joe visits central Ohio on his travels, he takes Danny into the field to photograph the data centers of New Albany, a Columbus suburb. During the outing, Danny and Joe encounter more than just ugly, dystopic buildings. From the strange public/private billionaire history of New Albany to the fear tactics tech companies employ to hide the impacts of data centers, the photo shoot is far from routine. Despite the challenges, Joe and Danny discover that data centers can bring communities together, even as they try to keep people apart.  In this episode, we hear from: Joe Cuccio: a visual artist based between Boston, MA and The Bronx, NY. concerned with how technology and time alter relationships. Learn more: https://www.joecucciophotography.com/ Resources: Joe Cuccio’s New Farmers Almanac // https://www.joecucciophotography.com/ Unbuffered episode on Flock cameras // https://ilsr.org/article/community-broadband-networks/flock-off-episode-23-of-unbuffered/ How Les Wexner transformed New Albany, Ohio // https://finance-commerce.com/2019/05/how-vicotria-secrets-les-wexner-transformed-new-albany-ohio/ Organic Maps app // https://organicmaps.app/
The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 6 - Closing Arguments
2026/06/25
This is it, the final episode! Danny gives us his closing arguments, reflecting on all he’s learned about the data center fight in communities across the United States. We listen in on Danny’s conversation with prolific author and tech critic Cory Doctorow about the centaur/reverse centaur theory of how we use technology and how technology uses us. And, we take another quick trip to some of the communities we’ve visited along the way: Data Center Alley in Northern Virginia, Davis, West Virginia, and Memphis, Tennessee, to get the latest on their fights. When it’s all said and done, the greatest lesson from the data center clashes may be in the value of agency, and that the way to protect communities from harmful data centers is to ensure that technology serves communities, not the other way around. In this episode, we hear from: Cory Doctorow: Science fiction author, activist and journalist whose recent books include “Enshittification: Why Everything Suddenly Got Worse And What To Do About It” and “The Reverse Centaur’s Guide To Life After AI.” Nikki Forrester: Helped launch Tucker United, now serves as the director of communications and spokesperson, lives in Tucker County, WV, and is a journalist.  Elena Schlossenberg: Our local tour guide, and deeply involved in grassroots organizing in Prince William County and Loudoun County. She has a deep knowledge of land-use management and serves as the executive director of the Coalition to Protect Prince William County. Amber Sherman: Local policy organizer in Memphis. Delegate John McAuliff: Recently elected Delegate for Fauquier and Loudoun counties in Northern Virginia, flipping the seat by running largely on data center regulation.  Samuel Black: Award-winning documentary filmmaker and journalist working with More Perfect Union. He covers tech, labor, energy, finance, housing, and U.S. politics.  Resources: Corruption is Driving Up Your Electricity Bill   Cory Doctorow’s blog, Craphound Samuel Black’s More Perfect Union coverage from Boxtown Local coverage from Tucker County about Fundamental Data’s visit, and how local leaders reacted The latest updates from Prince William County about the Data Center Gateway case A tool tracking every data center moratorium
The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 5 - A Better Way
2026/06/11
Throughout this season, we've learned about the threats and harms data centers pose to local communities. But is there a better way to build this tech infrastructure? On this episode, Danny invites energy, broadband, and local business experts to discuss how we can build and regulate data centers in ways that keep agency within local communities. From BYONCE (Bring Your Own New Clean Energy) to transparency, and from antitrust action to community-scaled, locally owned data centers, this episode breaks down all the ways we can create a better future — one where local communities have control over what happens next.  In this episode, we hear from: Stacy Mitchell: Writer, strategist, policy advocate, co-executive director of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, with a focus on the importance of small, independent businesses. Chris Mitchell: Program director at the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, who is a leading national expert on community networks, Internet access, and local broadband policies, and host of the Unbuffered podcast. John Farrell: Co-executive director of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance and leads the organization’s work on energy systems, including duties as host of the Local Energy Rules podcast. Resources: Institute for Local Self-Reliance - The Policies Communities Need to Confront the AI Data Center Race Good Jobs First - Shutting Down Data Center Subsidies Steph Speirs on TikTok - Solving the AI Power Problem  AI Now Policy Institute - North Star Data Center Policy Toolkit
The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 4 - Transmission (Im)possible
2026/05/28
If you’re anything like Building Local Power’s host, Danny Caine, you’ve seen your electric bill creep up and are wondering: are data centers to blame for this? Danny sets out to answer this and other burning questions about the murky way in which Big Tech’s data center arms race, public utilities, and electric bills intersect. Bringing his unanswered questions to energy experts, his neighbors, and his trusty dad, Danny aims to discover exactly how utilities make money from data center development, and if there’s any hope for our electric bills.  Guest voices + context:   Kevin Caine: Dad of Building Local Power host, Danny Caine, and resident of Cleveland, Ohio John Farrell: Co-director of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance and director of the Energy Democracy Initiative Cathy Kunkel: Energy consultant at the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis (IEEFA)   Elena Schlossberg: Executive director of the Coalition to Protect Prince William County Andrew Chow: TIME technology correspondent who has extensively covered AI and data centers at the intersection of race over the past few years.  Resources:  Data Center Watch Briefing Ohio's electric bills are high — and so are utility CEO salaries  The Policies Communities Need to Confront the AI Data Center Race  North Star Data Center Policy Toolkit: State and Local Policy Interventions to Stop Rampant AI Data Center Expansion - AI Now Institute The People Say No: Resisting Data Centers in the South - MediaJustice Proposed Prince William data center prompts protest letter to Jeff Bezos - The Washington Post Outcry grows over proposed Prince William data center - The Washington Post
The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 3 - Contamination Without Representation
2026/05/14
Some residents of the Boxtown neighborhood in Memphis, Tennessee, didn’t know Elon Musk was building a huge data center nearby until they saw city and Chamber of Commerce officials hyping the deal. A historic Black neighborhood founded by freedmen after the Civil War, Boxtown is one recent example of an old pattern: corporations siting polluting, noisy facilities in Black or poor neighborhoods, which the corporations see as less likely to mount a resistance to their plans. We chronicle this history, finding useful context in the decades-long fight against trash incinerators. We also learn what Memphis is doing to fight back, from citizen journalism to liberation science.  Guest voices + context:   Dr. Sacoby Wilson: Director of The Health, Environmental, and Economic Justice Lab, and Professor in Global, Environmental and Occupational Health. Focuses on environmental health science, including water quality analysis and air pollution studies, and works closely with community-based organizations, such as those in Memphis. Collaborated with Representative Justin Pearson on work to advocate for Black Communities in the fight against data centers and environmental racism.  Andrew Chow: TIME technology correspondent who has extensively covered AI and data centers at the intersection of race over the past few years.  Jennifer Kunze: Maryland Organizing Director at Clean Water Action, who took Danny on a tour of the Baltimore Incinerator.  Brenda Platt: Director of ILSR’s Composting for Community Initiative  Amber Sherman: Local policy organizer in Memphis  Learn More:  Data Center Watch Briefing Inside Memphis' Battle Against Elon Musk’s xAI Data Center -Andrew Chow, Time How the AI Boom Sparked a Housing Crisis in One Texas City -Andrew Chow, Time From Neighborhood Streets to City Hall with Zac Blanchard - Building Local Power Memphis Community Against Pollution  We Went to the Town Elon Musk Is Poisoning - More Perfect Union
The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 2 - They Underestimated Us
2026/04/30
When a notice appeared in a local newspaper about a company applying for an air quality permit for a power plant, it set off alarm bells in the small West Virginia town of Davis. After residents realized that a major data center project, enabled by West Virginia’s hastily passed state preemption bill, was being pushed through without anyone knowing about it, the community took action. A coalition of artists, outdoor enthusiasts, and generations-deep mining families formed Tucker United, and we met with them to learn about the state of the fight: why Davis, West Virginia; is the proposed reduction in state income tax and influx of data center revenue actually going to reach the local community; and how do they make sure their voice is heard by local and state government and that corporations are held accountable to them in the face of a politics that is pushing an “abundance” agenda of development with few guardrails?  In this episode, we hear from:   Linda Bilsens Brolis: Associate Director for Education for the Composting for Community Initiative, who first told us about this story, and lives in Davis.Nikki Forrester: Helped launch Tucker United, now serves as the Director of Communications and spokesperson, lives in Tucker County, West Virginia, and is a journalist. Mayor Alan Tomson: Mayor of Davis, West Virginia, who was alerted about the project and helped organize the initial town hall meeting that led to Tucker United. He shares what inspired him to move from his life as a career Army Officer in D.C. to Davis.Cris Parque: lead organizer of Tucker UnitedShaena Crossland: member of Tucker United
The Data Centers Are Coming: Ep. 1 - Planting a Flag
2026/04/30
Welcome to Building Local Power’s “The Data Centers Are Coming,” where we journey to some of the most active places in the cross-country battle over data centers in our local communities. We start at the epicenter: Data Center Alley in Loudoun County, Virginia. This once semi-rural community has now been transformed by Big Tech’s sprawling data centers, sparking a fight for land, autonomy, and transparency from local residents. What does it feel like living there now? How is it impacting home values, affordability, energy and water usage, electric bills, and the overall well-being of the people who live nearby? We took a road trip to find out.  In this episode we hear from:   Elena Schlossenberg: Our local tour guide, and deeply involved in grassroots organizing in Prince William County and Loudoun County. She has a deep knowledge of land use management and is the Executive Director of the Coalition to Protect Prince William County.Greg Pirio: A longtime Sterling, VA resident, Greg’s home literally sits across the street from a Vantage data center. Greg is an artist and has become an unlikely activist, organizing his neighbors to advocate for local solutions and demand accountability for the relentless noise pollution impacting their daily lives.
Introducing "The Data Centers Are Coming"
2026/04/16
Welcome to the newest season of Building Local Power, The Data Centers Are Coming, where we take a trip across the country to some of the hot spots for data center fights. Big Tech is racing for AI dominance, attempting to steamroll local communities through secrecy and shell companies, but that’s only part of the story. We hear from activists and agitated neighbors, experts on energy supply and the environment, and tech correspondents chasing these fights across state lines.  Through this series, we start to uncover just how deeply this conflict is steeped in America’s legacy of monopoly corporations versus motivated local communities. And we learn that one thing is certain: the corporate giants behind the data center boom better not underestimate the power of passionate and organized local resistance.
Internet as a Human Right: Christopher Mitchell on Community Networks
2025/08/21
You'd think a company with as many resources, employees, and facilities as AT&T or Comcast would have good customer service. Surely, with all the billions of dollars flowing through these businesses, there'd be some resources devoted to creating a really good customer experience, right? If only that were the case. The thing is, these telecom monopolies are so big, with their power so entrenched, that it doesn't matter if their customer service is good. When you control the market, you control the market whether customers are happy or not. Time and again, smaller, locally-controlled telecom companies and networks have better customer service and better products. Because they're small and connected to their communities, these small companies have greater motivation to please their customers. Plus, since they're competing against giants, they have a lot to prove to their customers. This is the crux of one of Christopher Mitchell's arguments about why community broadband matters. Christopher Mitchell, today's guest on Building Local Power, is the head of ILSR's Community Broadband Networks Initiative. Community broadband networks can take many forms, from municipal networks to co-ops and more. These networks are important, says Mitchell, not just because they're better for consumers but because Internet access is essentially a human right in the contemporary world. Reliable and affordable Internet access isn't just about social media and Netflix; everything from healthcare to education and beyond relies on a good Internet connection, all the more reason to leave broadband access in the hands of local communities. On today's episode, Christopher explains all this, as well as sharing his thoughts on his friend, ILSR's recently passed co-founder David Morris. It's a compelling conversation with a passionate advocate. For full show notes and transcript, visit https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-internet-as-a-human-right
Why Solving Waste Has To Be Local: Brenda Platt on Sustainability and Community
2025/08/07
We hear it again and again on this show: neighborhoods that are presumed less likely to fight back are taken advantage of by huge corporations and monopolies. Through predatory decisions and massive market power, a chain grocery store erodes a historically black neighborhood into a food desert. Amazon locates a massive warehouse, and its associated noise, congestion, and pollution, into an already vulnerable area of town. The Target in the BIPOC neighborhood is demonstrably worse than the Target in the rich, white part of town. Now we’re seeing the same pattern play out with the question of where to put AI data centers and their enormous environmental demands. The tech companies making these decisions seek out the neighborhoods that have the least political capital, neighborhoods that Brenda Platt calls “areas of least political resistance.” And she would know.  Brenda Platt, director of ILSR’s Composting for Community Initiative, has been fighting for sustainability, recycling, reuse, and composting for a bit longer than I’ve been alive. Throughout her nearly 40 year career, Brenda has taken a leading role in shifting the waste industry away from expensive, polluting, and inefficient trash incinerators. Today she’s working tirelessly to not only encourage sustainable waste alternatives like composting, but she’s fighting to ensure that such programs remain under community control and influence. Compost, she says, has to be local by default. It’s silly to ship banana peels across the country, so it’s best to figure out local and sustainable waste alternatives. Here to catch us up on her recent work, Brenda is today’s guest. Listen in to hear the story of her influential work, her reflections on how the incinerator fight resonates today, and her memories of working with beloved ILSR co-founder David Morris. For transcript and related resources, see the episode page at https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-why-solving-waste-has-to-be-local
Why Clean Energy Is Not Enough: John Farrell on Lessons from David Morris
2025/07/24
When ILSR co-founder David Morris published his pamphlet The Dawning of Solar Cells in 1975, nearly the only people using solar power were those in the Apollo program at NASA. Yet David saw decades into the future as he laid out a vision for community control and local ownership of a solar power system that was better for the climate and kept much more money in local economies than utility monopolies ever would. In many ways, says ILSR co-director and leader of the Energy Democracy Initiative, John Farrell, the world is still catching up with things David Morris wrote 50 years ago.  John Farrell is this week's guest. To hear him tell it, one of the most important lessons he took from David Morris was that the idea of clean energy itself isn't enough. In addition to the climate, we must also think about who owns energy and the systems that provide it. If clean energy systems are owned and controlled by energy monopolies, communities still find themselves at the mercy of huge corporations. A true energy revolution will come not only from clean energy, but community-owned clean energy. That's the path to energy self-reliance. That's the path that David Morris charted decades ago, and it's the path that John Farrell and ILSR's energy democracy team follow to this day.  For transcript and related resources, see the episode page at https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-why-clean-energy-is-not-enough
The Problems You Can Solve: Stacy Mitchell on David Morris’s Legacy
2025/07/15
On this week's episode of Building Local Power, we continue our series honoring ILSR's co-founder David Morris, who passed away in June. One way to measure the impact of someone's work is to measure their influence on those they mentored. And if you ask Stacy Mitchell, the word "influence" isn't even sufficient for what she learned from David Morris. Hired into an entry-level position at ILSR by David Morris in 1997, Mitchell now leads the Independent Business Initiative and co-directs the entire organization. Her time working with Morris led to a long and distinguished career at ILSR and in the broader antimonopoly movement. On this episode, Mitchell shares her reflections on her time working with Morris and on the impact of his work overall. Listen for her insights about how prescient Morris's work is proving to be, as well as his demanding curiosity and tireless advocacy. Ultimately, Mitchell claims, Morris's philosophy is a blueprint for what it means to build local power, and Morris did that until the very end of his life. Don't miss this stirring conversation about one revolutionary's impact on another. For transcript and related resources, see the episode page at https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-the-problems-you-can-solve
What Cities Can Do: Remembering David Morris
2025/07/03
Here at the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, we recently received some shocking news as we learned of the sudden passing of our beloved co-founder, David Morris. A giant in the antimonopoly field, an innovative thinker ahead of his time, and a crucial mentor to so many of us here at ILSR, David will be missed. I imagine I wasn’t alone in diving into ILSR’s archives to understand and revisit David’s work and legacy in the wake of his death. Reading David’s work from the last 50 years reminded me just how much he deeply understood about building local power, often well before political discourse arrived at the same conclusions.   That’s the inspiration for this week’s episode of Building Local Power. Today, we’re revisiting episode 22 of Building Local Power, a 2017 interview between David Morris and ILSR's Community Broadband Initiative director, Chris Mitchell. What struck me about this interview was how much of it could be said today and how much David anticipated our current moment. In the interview you’re about to hear, when asked about the source of local power, David explained that the communal nature of cities has had massive power since medieval times. In doing so, David lauds the value of so-called “Sanctuary Cities,” asserting that the term really means mutual protection against a faraway federal government that doesn’t necessarily act in the city’s interest. Such thoughts are almost painfully relevant in the wake of June 14th’s “No Kings” rallies, as those in power cynically exploit tensions about the alleged dangers of cities. There are those who say cities should not be sanctuaries. One of the many pieces of wisdom we have from David Morris’s long career runs counter to that: cities have dramatic potential for their residents to protect each other, and to act in each other’s best interest. That’s how local power is built. I hope you enjoy revisiting this 2017 interview as much as I did.  For transcript and related resources, see the episode page at https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-what-cities-can-do
Increasing Internet Access at the Speed of Trust: Sean Gonsalves on the Digital Equity Act
2025/06/12
The 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act represented one of the largest ever investments in broadband infrastructure. Many in the digital equity space believed the bill would go a long way to solve the digital divide. Provisions like the Digital Equity Act promised to be powerful tools in ensuring fast and reliable Internet access for all, regardless of money, race, and the rural/urban split. Groups ILSR's Community Broadband Networks team supports got to work applying for and receiving government funds to make major progress bringing equity to the digital space. Then, on a Thursday night in May 2025, President Trump announced on Truth Social that he was cancelling the Digital Equity Act, freezing or suspending all grants awarded for it. The President's decision will likely face legal challenges because the act and the money appropriated for it represent an action that Congress has already taken. Still, the law's cancellation will have wide-ranging and devastating consequences in the digital equity space. Efforts to close the digital divide for the eight populations served by the bill are now halted in their tracks, just as they were gathering speed. On this week's Building Local Power, we are joined by Sean Gonsalves, ILSR’s associate director for communications on the Community Broadband Team. Sean brings his years of experience and expertise to explain to us the consequences and impacts of the cancellation of the Digital Equity Act. For transcript and related resources, see the episode page at https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-increasing-internet-access-at-the-speed-of-trust
The Human Side of Government Work: Paola Santana on Procurement
2025/05/29
The United States government is one of the biggest purchasers in the world. Few people or entities spend more money on more goods and services. Add state and local governments to the mix, and you have a massive market with the potential for a lot of businesses to make a lot of money. The process of governments purchasing from businesses, called procurement, quietly hums with billions of dollars every single day. Yet those billions overwhelmingly end up in the pockets of huge corporations and monopolies instead of the local company in your town, which contributes to your local economy and builds local power for your community. This often happens even if that local company is perfectly poised to deliver the exact goods or services needed with top-of-the-line service, speed, and pricing. The game is just rigged.  There are many reasons for this. There are also ways to fight it. Enter Paola Santana, whose company, Glass, is working to revolutionize the procurement process in favor of local businesses. Glass’s platform G-Commerce works in many ways to fill the gaps in the procurement process. G-Commerce aims to dismantle the barriers to entry facing small and local businesses. By certifying local businesses and giving them direct access to government purchasers, G-Commerce wants to level the playing field and make small government purchases more possible for local businesses. According to Paola Santana, this is a win-win: local businesses earn lucrative sales, and local governments get better service and even better prices. Paola Santana joins us today on Building Local Power to explain all this and why it’s so important. For transcript and related resources, see the episode page at https://ilsr.org/articles/blp-the-human-side-of-government-work

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4.9 out of 5
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Mc Finnegan 2023/01/29
Super informative!
I love this podcast! It brings light to underground issues that don't seem to be on the radar but should be. The conversations are in-depth and brings...
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livrstrat 2022/12/15
Conversations with real experts
The speakers on this show always give thorough, in-depth explanations and analyses on American policy and how our law makers shape our way of life. I ...
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J. Barshop 2020/09/29
Deeply substantial and amazingly practical
It’s obvious that Jess and the ILSR Team put extraordinary effort into finding guests that are authentic and truly care about being a positive force i...
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JDelurey 2020/08/04
Exactly what I was looking for
Critically important answers to unasked and/or overlooked questions. So much of our energy space is captured by inertia. John and the ILSR gang shake ...
★★★★☆
Tfayter 2020/05/11
Topically interesting
I do enjoy this podcast, although sometimes I get sick of the strong liberal bias because I think these issues are relevant for EVERYONE, but it can m...
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sgilberg 2019/07/19
Excellent
I am a longtime fan of ILSR's work (full disclosure: I'm a former employee), and this podcast is one of my favorite developments. These guys shed ligh...
★★★★★
HopperHolla 2019/07/11
Future of Music
Super happy to hear a voice from the Future of Music coalition. They've done stellar work in advocating for indie artists in the nations capital, DC ...
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Celia Easton Koehler 2019/06/25
Way to go!
This podcast is a wonderful analysis of the ways our extractive economy functions, historically and at present. The guests on the show share projectst...
★★★★★
Overflow Amanda 2019/04/12
Chris Mitchell is my favorite
I don’t know if it’s because of his self-deprecating humor or use of big words... but seriously I never miss an episode. Keep up the great work, all! ...
★★★★★
alisonmckellar 2018/12/15
Totally inspiring
I’m on my local Select Board and this podcast has given me so much insight and inspiration. This is a great podcast for all municipal officials and an...
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