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Hannah BraniganExplicit
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Date created
2017/02/11
Latest episode
2026/09/15
Average duration
53 min.
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85 days
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A behind-the-scenes look into the reality of dog training, behavior, teaching, and learning. We love our dogs, we love our jobs, but sometimes it's not all unicorns and rainbows. Sometimes at the end of the day, you just need a drink and friend who gets it. We'll keep it fun, and keep it real.
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Protected Contact Isn't Just Management.
2026/09/15
Protected contact gets filed under zoo training, the thing you do when your learner can eat you. Hannah used to think that way too, right up until she noticed she'd been quietly using barriers with dogs and horses for years and getting far more out of them than safety. In this solo episode she makes the case that a fence, an ex pen, or a PVC pole on the ground is a training accelerator, not a consolation prize, and walks through how to fade one down to almost nothing while keeping every benefit.
Key Takeaways:
The matching law describes behavior as proportional to reinforcement, but real life is messier than the original equation suggests: Variables like reinforcer quality, difficulty of the behavior, and delay of reinforcement all affect outcomes in ways the simple version of the law doesn't account for.
Reinforcer value matters as much as reinforcement rate: A less frequent but more valuable reinforcer can outweigh a higher rate of a less valuable one. You can use this intentionally to load one side of the scale in your favor.
If your dog prefers an easier behavior even when the harder one pays better, your criteria may have jumped too fast: Dogs, like students given two stacks of math problems, will gravitate toward what's more fluent. That preference is useful diagnostic information.
Delayed discounting is real and shows up in training: The longer the gap between behavior and reinforcement, the less influence the reinforcer has. Getting the treat out of the jeans pocket slowly is not the same as getting it from your hand quickly, and your dog's behavior reflects that.
Matching law doesn't excuse us from timing and mechanics: Understanding the principle is useful. Using it as a reason to stop troubleshooting your delivery is not.
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About the Host Hannah Branigan is a teacher, trainer, podcaster, and author of Awesome Obedience and its companion field guide. She is a Certified Professional Dog Trainer (CPDT) and a faculty member at the Karen Pryor Academy for Animal Training and Behavior. Her work is grounded in applied behavioral science and focused on helping serious dog trainers build better skills through positive reinforcement.
Keep up with Hannah and find all her work and resources here:
Website: hannahbranigan.dog
Podcast: hannahbranigan.dog/dog-training-podcast/
Program: hannahbranigan.dog/z2cd/
Instagram: instagram.com/hannah_branigan/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPh-msUZUNJksIAu2zDTQhQ
The Matching Law: What It Is, What It Isn't, and Why It Matters | Hannah Branigan
2026/05/14
Hannah follows up last episode's hot take on training speed with a deeper dive into the matching law, the behavioral principle that describes how learners allocate behavior in proportion to reinforcement schedules. She covers the original pigeon experiments, what decades of follow-up research have complicated, and how understanding this equation (without actually doing the math) can make you a more thoughtful and effective trainer in real life.
Key Takeaways:
The matching law describes behavior as proportional to reinforcement, but real life is messier than the original equation suggests: Variables like reinforcer quality, difficulty of the behavior, and delay of reinforcement all affect outcomes in ways the simple version of the law doesn't account for.
Reinforcer value matters as much as reinforcement rate: A less frequent but more valuable reinforcer can outweigh a higher rate of a less valuable one. You can use this intentionally to load one side of the scale in your favor.
If your dog prefers an easier behavior even when the harder one pays better, your criteria may have jumped too fast: Dogs, like students given two stacks of math problems, will gravitate toward what's more fluent. That preference is useful diagnostic information.
Delayed discounting is real and shows up in training: The longer the gap between behavior and reinforcement, the less influence the reinforcer has. Getting the treat out of the jeans pocket slowly is not the same as getting it from your hand quickly, and your dog's behavior reflects that.
Matching law doesn't excuse us from timing and mechanics: Understanding the principle is useful. Using it as a reason to stop troubleshooting your delivery is not.
—
About the Host Hannah Branigan is a teacher, trainer, podcaster, and author of Awesome Obedience and its companion field guide. She is a Certified Professional Dog Trainer (CPDT) and a faculty member at the Karen Pryor Academy for Animal Training and Behavior. Her work is grounded in applied behavioral science and focused on helping serious dog trainers build better skills through positive reinforcement.
Keep up with Hannah and find all her work and resources here:
Website: hannahbranigan.dog
Podcast: hannahbranigan.dog/dog-training-podcast/
Program: hannahbranigan.dog/z2cd/
Instagram: instagram.com/hannah_branigan/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPh-msUZUNJksIAu2zDTQhQ
Is Positive Reinforcement Actually Slower? (A Hot Take, Revisited) | Hannah Branigan
2026/05/07
Can you use a leash and still be force free? | Hannah Branigan
2026/04/16
Somewhere on the internet, someone is arguing that using a leash means you aren't really a force-free trainer. In this solo episode, Hannah unpacks the difference between impact and intent, explains why force-free training is a set of values rather than a guarantee of perfection, and gets into the mechanics of how a leash can function as a neutral tactile cue trained entirely through positive reinforcement. If you've ever felt defensive when someone questions your training tools, this one gives you a more grounded way to think it through.
Key Takeaways:
Force-free training is an aspirational value system, not a pass/fail test: Holding that value means you're always asking what you can do better, not claiming you're already perfect.
Impact and intent are both real, and both matter: The learner's experience of a leash always deserves your attention, and your intentions about how you use it shape what kind of trainer you're becoming.
A leash can be trained as a neutral tactile cue through positive reinforcement: Leash movement doesn't have to carry any aversive weight to be a functional signal your dog can learn to respond to.
What you do after a training error is the most important part: A force-free trainer's response to an unplanned correction is to figure out what needs to change, not to incorporate that correction into a training plan.
Where you are in your training journey is less important than the direction you're headed: A willingness to examine your methods and stay open to new strategies is what earns you a seat at the table.
—
About the Host Hannah Branigan is a teacher, trainer, podcaster, and author of Awesome Obedience and its companion field guide. She is a Certified Professional Dog Trainer (CPDT) and a faculty member at the Karen Pryor Academy for Animal Training and Behavior. Her work is grounded in applied behavioral science and focused on helping serious dog trainers build better skills through positive reinforcement.
Keep up with Hannah and find all her work and resources here:
Website: hannahbranigan.dog
Podcast: hannahbranigan.dog/dog-training-podcast/
Program: hannahbranigan.dog/z2cd/
Instagram: instagram.com/hannah_branigan/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPh-msUZUNJksIAu2zDTQhQ
Training Faster Behaviors Without Frustration, Part 2 | Hannah Branigan
2024/08/27
In this episode, we explore strategies to achieve faster and more precise behaviors in dog training. I discuss how clarity, timing, and reinforcement techniques can improve your dog's response times, reduce hesitation, and build confidence. Tune in for practical tips to keep your training sessions clean and effective.
Key Points:
- Clear communication prevents slow or hesitant behaviors in dogs.
- Reinforcement clarity is crucial, even when using a high rate of rewards.
- Capturing and reinforcing the initial signs of a behavior leads to quicker responses.
- Consistent timing with marker cues enhances behavior speed.
- Minimizing duration requirements can accelerate behavior performance.
For full show notes and transcript, visit: www.hannahbranigan.dog/podcast/187
This episode is supported by Patreon: www.patreon.com/DFTT
Training Faster Behaviors Without Frustration, Part 1 | Hannah Branigan
2024/08/23
In this episode we discuss:
Speed vs. Latency: Speed is how fast a behavior is completed from the time it starts. Latency is the response time, or the time elapsed between when the cue is perceived and when the behavior starts. Motivation: While motivation is essential, it is just one piece of the puzzle. Overemphasizing motivation can lead to frustration, which might not always yield the desired outcomes. Natural Behavior Efficiency: Given a stable training environment, behaviors naturally trend towards faster, more efficient performance over time. Training Environment: The importance of considering training conditions (e.g., environment, timing, footing) to ensure optimal speed without inducing frustration. Pay attention to when, where, and under what conditions your dog already moves faster For full show notes and transcript, visit: www.hannahbranigan.dog/podcast/186
This episode is supported by Patreon: www.patreon.com/DFTT
Avoiding Triggers and Situations | Hannah Branigan
2024/08/15
In this episode, we discuss the practice of avoiding situations as part (or all) of a training plan. Often avoiding certain situations can be an important strategy, helping to prevent mistakes and reduce stress for both the dog and the handler. But it's usually not a long-term solution by itself and misconceptions about avoidance can result in teams getting stuck and unable to make progress.
We also discuss:
- Definition and role of avoidance in dog training.
- Common client misunderstandings about avoidance.
- Benefits of avoidance: preventing mistakes, reducing stress, and allowing time for skill development.
- Challenges of avoidance: risk of over-reliance and restrictive lifestyle.
- Practical applications - sometimes.
- Long-term strategy: balancing avoidance with skill-building and controlled reintroduction.
For full show notes and transcript, visit: www.hannahbranigan.dog/podcast/185
This episode is supported by Zero to CD: www.zerotocd.com
What's Wrong with "Drilling"? | Hannah Branigan
2024/02/28
In this episode we dig into the concept of drilling, and how it applies in dog training. It's pretty common for most of us to have an emotional response just to the term itself - for good reason! But is there any baby in this bathwater?
Drilling is significant for skill acquisition in various contexts beyond dog training, our emotional responses to drilling are shaped by personal experiences and the nature of the activity, a good drill should isolate core components of skills for focused practice and efficiency, coercive drilling methods that ignore the learner's needs lead to negative associations and even hinder learning, repetition alone is insufficient for learning; reinforcement and iterative adjustments are critical, deliberate practice involves observing, learning, and modifying activities based on feedback, mindless repetition without feedback and adjustment does not lead to improvement, continuous improvement requires proactive engagement and measured adjustments based on outcomes, and seeking help and guidance when progress stalls is essential for effective skill development.
For full show notes and transcript, visit: www.hannahbranigan.dog/podcast/184
This podcast is supported by MET Conference 2024: www.metconference.com/
#183: Demand Barking, Part 3, with Kiki Yablon
2024/02/12
In this episode, we discuss the history behind Kiki's master's thesis project, Signaled Differential Reinforcement of Other Behavior to Address Excessive Vocalization in Dogs, what gave her the idea - the case of the dog barking when guests are over, how training stay on a mat actually seems to have caused the problem, the new strategy - signalling that food will not be available when towel was hung up ("if this van's a rocking"), a discussion of DRO w/o extinction, and does this strategy apply to other behaviors like demand whining?
For full show notes and transcript, visit: www.hannahbranigan.dog/podcast/183
This podcast is supported by MET Conference 2024: www.metconference.com/
#182: Demand Barking, Part 2
2024/02/02
In this episode, we discuss using concepts around stimulus control to stop demand barking before it stops, how cues create expectations of what reinforcement is available, using naturally occurring events that are already built into your routine to signal when reinforcement is available and when it is not, overly-simplified reminders of including good dog household management, which you already know, but sometimes it's good to hear it again, teaching the stand up-sit down game, and principles to apply these strategies in your own home.
For full show notes and transcript, visit: www.hannahbranigan.dog/podcast/182
This podcast is supported by MET Conference 2024: www.metconference.com/
#181: Demand Barking, Part 1
2024/01/18
In this episode, we are talking about Demand Barking. This is a three-part series, at least for now. For the first two episodes, I'll be sharing my thoughts and what I've learned about working with dogs that "demand" bark. And then for the 3rd episode, we'll talk to a guest on the subject!
In this episode, we discuss how barking isn't just one behavior, it's actually a lot of different behaviors that we lump into one category, in order to figure out what to do about problematic barking, we need to know what the function of that behavior is, we discuss the emotional underpinnings of the behavior we often label "demand barking", why that matters, and why I keep using air quotes around those words, why I'm no longer so invested in the most common advice, which is to ignore the dog, and we start getting into some other strategies to try out instead, like teaching a range of alternate behaviors that your dog can use to get their needs met - that you actively reinforce - that are not quite as annoying as being screamed at.
For full show notes and transcript, visit: www.hannahbranigan.dog/podcast/181
This podcast is supported by MET Conference 2024: www.metconference.com/
#180: Building Food Drive and Nuanced Reinforcement with Ashlee Osborn
2023/10/19
In this episode we discuss the importance of getting really, really good at working with reinforcement, how the topic of reinforcement and using it in training is FAR more nuanced than most trainers recognize, food is probably the most convenient reinforcement but it does require specific conditioning and strategies to use effectively in training, Ashlee's game, Clockwork - a fancy application of treat tossing that specifies where and when to toss for clients, and building motivation for food even when dogs are really just not into it.
For full show notes, visit: www.hannahbranigan.dog/podcast/180
This podcast is supported by Zero to CD: www.zerotocd.com
#179: More Strategies to Reduce Errors
2023/10/05
In the last episode, we talked about what errorless learning really means. And I shared a few strategies that might make it easier to apply in your training.
Of course, the major benefit to using errorless learning concepts in your training is the outcome of behaviors with a cleaner learning history and less emotional baggage.
Of course, we don't want attempts to avoid errors to mean we also avoid making progress. We still want to get where we're going, just with fewer wrong turns.
In this episode we discuss behavioral momentum, using behavioral momentum to avoid a lack of response to your cues (a common form of error), the importance of starting with low criteria and be in a position to raise that criteria quickly, rather than starting with an error and being forced to lower that criteria (Thanks, Bob Bailey!), examples from starting a heeling session, to working with distance on go outs, to teaching a pony to move forward on cue, using an indirect, "lateral" approach to selecting your criteria to avoid hammering on the most fragile aspect of a behavior you are trying to train, examples include teaching hold with duration (after breaking it), and working around emotionally-loaded challenges with heeling or loose-leash walking, and probably other things I forgot!
For full show notes, visit: www.hannahbranigan.dog/podcast/179
This podcast is supported by Zero to CD: www.zerotocd.com
#178: How to Apply Errorless Learning Principles in Practical Training Sessions
2023/07/21
In his 1968 book, The Technology of Teaching, B.F. Skinner wrote:
Errors are not a function of learning or vice-versa nor are they blamed on the learner. Errors are a function of poor analysis of behavior, a poorly designed shaping program, moving too fast from step to step in the program and the lack of the prerequisite behavior necessary for success in the program. - BF Skinner
And that sounds great. It also sounds like a lot of pressure on the dog trainer. Never fear! In this episode, we discuss what errorless learning actually means and how to apply the principles in our real life training sessions.
In this episode, we discuss the original research on errorless learning by Dr. H.S. Terrace form 1963, what is the difference between errorless training and trial-and-error trainings?, why we care about training with errors - what's in it for us dog trainers?, designing our training sessions so that we don't rely on extinction as a training tool, and in fact actively structure our sessions to minimize our dogs' experience of extinction, strategies allow us to train more errorlessly (fading in discriminations - early and often, using back-chaining, even when shaping small behaviors, introducing a new element between the click and the treat, setting your minimum criteria to earn a click to behaviors your dog is doing frequently, and avoid raising criteria to something your dog has never done, or only done once).
For full show notes, visit: www.hannahbranigan.dog/podcast/178
This podcast is supported by Patreon: www.patreon.com/DFTT
#177: Dr. Clive Wynne Says Some Controversial Things About Dominance
2023/06/23
In this episode, we discuss what is the ethological definition of dominance?, how does dominance show up in behavior?, how might dominance be relevant in dog training?, differences in dog-dog vs dog-human relationships, and does dominance require aggression or punishment?
For full show notes, visit: www.hannahbranigan.dog/podcast/177
This podcast is supported by Patreon: www.patreon.com/DFTT
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C. M. B. 2024/10/30
Hannah is a national treasure!
Hannah always makes me laugh, nod my head and think. Love this podcast. I always learn something.
Reward Your Dog Training 2024/08/19
The bomb!
Hannah is awesome- I always pick up tidbits and tips and feel inspired to think more deeply about training
Jen_Adams 2024/08/18
Informed and funny
I’ve enjoyed listening to Hannah and look forward to each podcast. As a new trainer I am so happy to find a positive, humble, and well informed human ...
Alicia Sweezer 2024/03/21
Amazing Podcast!
Hannah does a great job of talking about a variety of topics to help dog lovers. I learned a lot in the episode with Jennifer Shryock.
Filly Bu$ter 2024/03/04
Frustrating to listen to
This is could be a good podcast if the host would stop rambling on & on and not ever letting her guests speak. Learn to self edit.
StoneDog Designs 2024/02/01
LOVE this podcast!! It’s PAWSOME!!
Hannah is smart funny and very relatable. Started with her first show and I am working my way through them ALL. Taking notes along the way as I contin...
Emptykitchen 2023/09/30
Great Info!
I’m a pet dog mom who has never really had a lot of success in dog training and never liked trainers that teach with corrections! I’m learning so much...
Yarnho2 2023/09/02
Brain ache!
Thank you, Hannah, for making my brain hurt( in a good way)! You are a wonderful speaker and I love the way you analyze behavior and training techniq...
Anne1492 2023/08/29
Great podcast
I love how well Hannah translates the science of animal behavior in ways I can understand. Hers was the first dog training podcast I started when we g...
Sunny Cheyenne 2023/07/27
Phenomenal Podcast
I have quickly become obsessed with Hannah’s pod. She offers practical, applicable training advice with clear, bite sized examples. With a long commut...
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