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Tough to Treat

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198 episodes
Language
English
Date created
2017/08/12
Latest episode
2026/09/01
Average duration
30 min.
Release period
50 days

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Welcome to Tough to Treat: A Physiotherapists' Guide to Managing Those Complex Patients, with your hosts Erica Meloe and Susan Clinton, who discuss how they successfully treated patients that others could not. Via case history discussion, they share their physical therapy expertise from treating long standing pelvic pain to persistent neck pain. They present a holistic and integrative view on assessing and treating chronic pain. Unique movement strategies and specific patient exercise prescription are also presented so you can be ahead of the curve when it comes to treating these types of patients. Oftentimes, the source of the problem is not where you think it is!! For example, chronic low back pain emanating from the neck. Or hip pain coming from the foot. It pays to look up and down the kinetic chain! Podcast music: "Fearless First" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

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Solving Hip Pain Outside The Pelvis
2026/09/01
Pelvic floor physical therapy can be life-changing — but sometimes it only gets patients part of the way there. In this episode, I discuss a client who was referred to me by a pelvic health therapist after presenting with bilateral hip pain that pelvic floor work alone couldn't fully resolve.   I talk about why I see so many of these referrals, and how the pelvis is deeply connected to other regions of the body that aren't always considered "pelvic" but absolutely influence pelvic function and pain. I dig into the bigger picture of what else might be contributing when pelvic-focused treatment plateaus.   If you're a patient who's done pelvic floor PT but still isn't feeling 100%, or a clinician trying to figure out what comes next after pelvic-focused care, this episode will help you think more broadly about the regions connected to the pelvis and how to evaluate them effectively.   🎧  Tune in to learn how to look beyond the pelvis without losing sight of it.   Connect with Erica Meloe Follow on Instagram   Check out Erica's website   Submit your questions to [email protected]    Purchase Erica's book
Shoulder Pain…Guess Where The Real Driver Was?
2026/08/11
Shoulder pain doesn't always start in the shoulder. In this episode, I break down a real client case where the true driver of persistent shoulder pain was actually coming from the lower extremity — not the shoulder itself.   I walk through the theory behind this concept and explain how dysfunction in one part of the body can show up as pain somewhere else entirely. I tell you how I connected the dots and identified the lower extremity driver that was contributing to her upper extremity pain.   Finally, I cover the exercise progression I used to address the root cause first — and how that approach led to real, lasting relief for her shoulder.   Whether you're a patient trying to understand why your pain hasn't gone away with typical treatment, or a clinician looking to sharpen your evaluation and clinical reasoning skills, this episode gives you a practical look at why treating the site of pain isn't always the answer.   🎧 Tune in to learn how to think beyond the obvious and start looking at the body as a connected system.   Connect with Erica Meloe Follow on Instagram   Check out Erica's website   Submit your questions to [email protected]    Purchase Erica's book
Strategies for the Chronic Back Gripper
2026/06/02
Do you ever have patients or even yourself, that are chronically gripping their back? Using their back muscles for practically everything? It's fairly common, but can get in the way of a very strong and thoughtful rehab program. You've seen this before. Everything is braced, stiff and locked down — they are essentially planking through their entire day. In this episode, Erica breaks down this pattern, why it develops, and most importantly — how to change it. From using your environment and simple props to reduce guarding, to a practical exercise progression to retrain movement, this episode gives you a clear roadmap.    This is a movement pattern we see frequently in clinical practice. But how do you train someone out of this habit? Take  squats, for example. Then squats, holding a pillow in front of you. Same movement, but you're holding onto a pillow to reduce some of your back gripping. Erica talks about how to develop a reference for center and some strategies for weightlifting when you're on a incline bench in the gym. This is an important episode to listen to because this is such a common pattern and often prolongs rehab when not addressed early on.
Low Back Pain That Wasn't a Back Problem
2026/03/20
Her back hurt. But her back wasn't the problem. This is where the nuance comes in.  In this episode, I dive into a fascinating clinical case involving a hypermobile pole dancer presenting with low back pain — where the lumbar spine was the pain generator but not the driver. The real culprits? Her knee and foot. Surprised? I walk through the clinical reasoning process that shifted the treatment focus away from the low back and down the kinetic chain, and explore what that looked like in practice through progressive exercise programming geared towards her real drivers.  This patient had a history of ACL surgery with lateral meniscus repair, along with a torn right AND left hamstring.  If you don't think that is relevant to her low back pain, think again. Make the connection.  Key Takeaways: ✅ Always ask youself: "Is this the pain generator or the driver?" ✅ In hypermobile patients, control and stiffness are often the missing ingredients — not flexibility ✅ Pilates offers an exceptional framework for graded loading in hypermobile movers when applied thoughtfully ✅ Treating distally can resolve proximal pain — trust the kinetic chain  ✅ Know your patient's sport or art form — it shapes everything about your programming
When Exercise Isn't Working
2026/02/10
If you have patients or are a person who "does all the exercises," gets stronger, and still doesn't feel better—this episode is for you. In this episode, Erica dives into how to advance exercise prescription for patients who are often labeled as "tough to treat." These are the individuals who don't respond well to traditional strengthening or mobility programs and may experience pain, guarding, or flare-ups with exercise. She explores how exercise positioning, load selection, and movement strategy can dramatically change outcomes. Rather than defaulting to more reps or heavier weights, she discusses how altering body position and the relationship to gravity can allow patients to move with less threat, better control, and more efficiency. One aspect of this episode is working with people who chronically grip or brace their low back muscles. She talks through practical strategies to reduce excessive tone and reintroduce movement without reinforcing protective patterns that limit progress. Erica also discusses the role of advanced exercise positions and Pilates-based approaches, highlighting how these methods can be used thoughtfully to improve load tolerance—especially for patients who need more than basic exercises but aren't ready for high-demand training. This episode challenges the idea that "tough to treat" patients need more effort or tougher exercises, and instead reframes progress around smarter positioning, intentional loading, and movement quality to help people move with confidence again.   Related links: Erica's Website Susan's Website
Advanced Clinical Reasoning: Applications Across the PT Spectrum
2025/09/11
In this episode, Erica explores how clinical reasoning informs decision-making across diverse areas of physical therapy practice. This is a clinical pearls discussion that will save you lots of time in the clinic.  From CKC to OKC brain mapping in an MMA fighter to exercise progression in ACL rehabilitation to thoracic dysfunction in a post partum runner experiencing hip pain and incontinence, she highlights key clinical reasoning strategies that guide effective treatment and exercise progression. For example, if your patient has a bracing strategy in their lumbar spine where they always "grip" their back when they sit, stand and even go supine, how would you prescribe exercise to "take out" that strategy to give them more options for movement? Many people do this in our "sit up straight" culture. This will make a huge difference in your practice!   Related links: Tough To Treat Website Erica's Website Susan's Website
Treatment Timelines and Tackling HEP Non-Compliance: Real Patient Cases
2025/08/13
How long should you keep treating a patient? And what's the best approach when they're skipping their home exercise program? In this listener Q&A episode, Erica shares practical strategies—illustrated through two real patient cases, one a golfer and the other a cyclist—for answering the tough question of treatment length and for addressing non-compliance. She highlights how building a strong therapeutic relationship can improve follow-through and make these conversations more productive. Erica also highlights the most important phases of an exercise program to ensure efficiency and compliance.  To close, Erica offers a brief update from her doctoral research on menopause, focusing on the role of muscle power in older women and why it may be a more critical predictor of function than strength alone.   Related links: Tough To Treat Website Erica's Website Susan's Website
Why is an old foot injury responsible for my current neck pain?
2025/07/24
In this episode, Erica dives into a fascinating case of a patient experiencing neck pain and how that seemingly isolated symptom actually traced back to an old foot injury. This case exemplifies the deep, interconnected nature of the human body. For those you have been listening for a while, this should not surprise you. She unpacks the biomechanical and neural links between the foot and cervical spine, exploring how altered load distribution and compensatory patterns can persist long after the original injury appears to have healed. A key focus of the discussion is the role of the center of mass—how shifts in its control can influence motor strategy and postural control, ultimately impacting regions far from the original site of injury. Erica also covers exercise options, including progressions that integrate both the foot and cervical spine.  How to adapt your treatment when load transfer is compromised is a key factor in this patient's outcome. This episode is a reminder that in rehab, it's rarely just about the joint that hurts—it's about the whole system that moves around it.   Related links: Tough To Treat Website Erica's Website Susan's Website
Managing the Complex Patient – When the Body Chart Is Full
2025/07/03
In this episode, Erica talks about how to approach care when a patient has a long history of injuries and a body chart that seems to be "lit up" everywhere. It can feel overwhelming—for both the patient and the clinician. She focuses on the importance of prioritization: identifying what's most clinically relevant right now. This involves connecting the dots to perhaps an old injury to what the current problem is. In this particular case, frequent bilateral ankle sprains, an ACL reconstruction plus a continued pattern of bilateral issues help you nail down your focus to what is important for you to assess and what is important for the patient to feel.  These patterns not only shape your clinical focus—helping you decide what truly needs assessment—but also give the patient a clearer sense of what their body is trying to communicate.  What is relevant to you may not be important to them. It's up to you to explain to them why. Key takeaways include: ·       Avoiding the trap of chasing every symptom. ·       Establishing a hierarchy of concerns using patient input and objective findings. ·       Acknowledging the complexity of the history without letting it dictate the entire plan.   Related links: Tough To Treat Website Erica's Website Susan's Website
Bone and Power: Training Smarter Through Menopause
2025/06/19
This episode dives into some of the evidence on resistance vs. high-velocity power training in postmenopausal women and its impact on bone mineral density (BMD). Research is highlighted showing that high-speed training protocols may stimulate bone more effectively than traditional resistance training by increasing strain rates and promoting osteogenic adaptation. You'll learn how moving with speed and control helps strengthen bones and prevents age-related decline better than slow, heavy lifting alone. Some of Erica's research for her doctoral dissertation is discussed and she then presents a case study of a menopausal patient with insidious-onset shoulder pain and offers some clinical pearls as to why, especially in anyone who has played a racquet sport, the shoulder is not the only driver. She also highlights a few targeted interventions that allowed this woman to weight lift and strengthen her shoulder without feeding into her symptoms.   The content contained therein, including text, images, audio, or other formats, were created for informational purposes only. The content is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.    Related links: Tough To Treat Website Erica's Website Susan's Website
Physical Performance Decline in Menopausal Women: Strength vs Power
2025/06/03
In this episode, Erica dives into the latest research exploring how menopause affects physical performance in women—highlighting changes in power and strength. These findings are reshaping how we approach exercise and rehab in midlife women. Next, she shares an update on her dissertation, which compares premenopausal and postmenopausal women on key physical performance metrics. Erica discusses early patterns emerging from the data, including potential implications for exercise training and rehab prescription. She wraps up with a clinical case involving a woman in menopause experiencing persistent neck and shoulder pain, along with difficulty breathing. She breaks down the history along with a few clinical pearls outlining how past injuries have and continue to contribute to this woman's issues. Erica also breaks down her exercise program, discussing the do's and don'ts of exercise progression.   Hormonal changes can contribute to musculoskeletal tension and diaphragmatic dysfunction- we know this. But do we really educate our patients on this? Many do not. Whether you're a clinician, researcher, or someone navigating midlife changes, this episode offers insight, evidence, and strategies for supporting well-being during menopause.   Related links: Tough To Treat Website Erica' Website Susan's Website
Building Better PT Practices: Courses, Clinical Reasoning, and Mentoring Insights
2024/11/28
In this episode, we answer the most common questions we get from listeners. We dive into course recommendations, highlighting resources for continuing education, mentoring and evidence-based practices.   A key focus is on clinical reasoning strategies—how to approach complex cases and integrate patient-specific factors into your decision-making. We also discuss the value of spending the majority of your first session taking the patient's story.   Your patients will make you a better physical therapist, if you listen to them. Be curious and let it lead you towards mastery.   A glance at this episode: [2:27] Courses and Continuous Learning [12:11] Starting the Podcast and Building a Community [13:17] Mentorship and Clinical Reasoning [19:10] Treatment Sessions and Client Engagement [22:56] The Role of Patients in Clinical Learning [26:41] Reflecting on the Year and Planning for the Future   Related links: Tough To Treat Website Erica's Course: Decoding the Complex Patient Susan's Pelvic Health Education Subscription Access the Transcript
Complex shoulder pain - how the narrative and red flags paint a different picture
2024/11/07
Clients self-refer for many reasons and we find ourselves on the front line of health care screening. Join Susan and Erica as they uncover key elements in a client's history and narrative around long-standing shoulder pain. Simplistic presentations usually mask true underlying considerations including the client's beliefs and red flags.   A glance at this episode: [1:41] Client's Initial Presentation and History [4:07] Exploring Past Injuries and Chronic Bike Riding [6:56] Impact of Corporate Life and Breast Cancer on Health [13:08] Concerns About Bone Health and DEXA Scan [15:21] Addressing Left Shoulder Pain and Movement Dysfunction [17:51] Implementing Modified Exercises and Pilates [39:28] Discussing the Power of the Narrative and Patient Advocacy [40:13] Connecting Patient Goals to Treatment Outcomes [45:17] Final Thoughts and Episode Closing   Related links: Tough To Treat Website Erica's Course: Decoding the Complex Patient Susan's Pelvic Health Education Subscription Access the Transcript
Shoulder Pain With Pull Ups or Push Ups? The Elbow Changes Everything
2024/10/24
In this episode, we explore the surprising journey of a boxer battling chronic shoulder pain that left him struggling to do even the most basic workout. Despite focusing on his shoulder, it turns out the root of his problem lay elsewhere—his elbow. Is that surprising? It was in his injury history. Do not discount the power of an old injury that could come back and haunt you. And think about the load on the elbow when you're doing a push or pull-up. Join us as we clinically reason through this interesting case from start to finish.   A glance at this episode: [0:01] Introduction and Patient Background [7:03] Initial Assessment and Observations [11:56] Exploring the Root Causes [14:12] Addressing the Pull-Up Challenge [32:06] Implementing Exercise Program [36:32] Final Thoughts and Key Takeaways   Related links: Tough To Treat Website Erica's Course: Decoding the Complex Patient Susan's Pelvic Health Education Subscription Access the Transcript
Chronic Knee Pain - Where to Begin!
2024/10/10
Susan and Erica are back together for the Fall season! Chronic knee pain can be much more than a regional event. Susan presents a client with an extensive timeline and clinical reasoning as to why it is important to consider the entire system in this integrated approach. The key here is also maintaining relevance and sustainability for the client.   A glance at this episode: [1:18] Explanation of Episode Structure and Content [2:59] Introduction to the Client Case Study [5:30] Client's Medical History and Injuries [12:47] Initial Assessment and Observations [13:33] Treatment Plan and Initial Intervention [31:02] Follow-Up and Client Feedback [31:17] Advanced Treatment and Future Plans [31:31] Conclusion and Encouragement for Listeners   Related links: Tough To Treat Website Erica's Course: Decoding the Complex Patient Susan's Pelvic Health Education Subscription Access the Transcript

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5 out of 5
119 reviews
★★★★★
EmilyRaeDPT 2025/02/15
Incredibly helpful for complex cases
I recently found this podcast through the Michelle Lyons podcast and have found myself binging these episodes for the past week. I am a pelvic PT a...
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Amazing cases! 2024/07/04
Love these two and their case discussions!
I am a pelvic PT with ortho roots and I just started my own pelvic practice. Since I found this podcast not all that long ago, I have been binging all...
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JaneyLSC 2023/11/30
Always insightful, helpful information
I have found this podcast to be very helpful in learning more in-depth clinical reasoning.
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BridgetKane 2023/07/14
Thought provoking
The conversations between Erica and Susan are fabulous. They have some fabulous takeaways.
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SJamesClinton 2021/10/02
Fantastic Conversations!
Loving the podcast! Came across a great note on sitting postue that allowed me to make a small tweak that helped tremendously, can't wait to listen to...
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swarrenPT 2021/07/19
Binge worthy clinical reasoning
I love this podcast! I have used insight from Susan and Erica’s cases to help assess and solve puzzles with my own patients. I’ve listened to almost a...
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RebeccaS1985 2021/06/10
Amazing!
This podcast is amazing! I have learned so much and am able to take clinical pearls and tools to use immediately in my practice. Thank you!
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ErinH87 2021/06/03
Great podcast for PTs
Obsessed with this podcast. Listening to these episodes make me a better clinician. Thank you for sharing all your wonderful knowledge.
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Darcie Pervier 2021/06/03
The Best Podcast To Start Thinking Out Of The Box
This is the best podcast to make time for! Erica and Susan do a wonderful job of painting a clinical picture and walking you through some ways to reth...
★★★★★
mindy r dpt 2021/04/29
Great podcast
Thank you both for doing a great job with our profession! I have been out of school for 3.5 years and it is nice to kind of have “virtual mentors” whe...
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