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Q-Day Looms: A cyber tool more powerful than AI is about to hack everything
2026/11/03
What happens when the encryption protecting today’s secrets can no longer keep them safe? To launch our series on quantum computing, Elisa is joined by Paul Stimers, partner at Holland & Knight and founder and executive director of the Quantum Industry Coalition, to explore what quantum advances could mean for national security. They break down the basics of quantum computing, the prospect of “Q-Day,” and the threat of adversaries harvesting encrypted data now to decrypt later. Together, they discuss post-quantum cryptography, the importance of adapting to evolving cyber threats, and why preparing for the quantum era matters for government agencies, businesses, and anyone holding sensitive information.
Paul Stimers is a partner at Holland & Knight and the founder and executive director of the Quantum Industry Coalition.
References:
E.O. 14413 – Ushering in the Next Frontier of Quantum InnovationE.O. 14412 – Securing the Nation Against Advanced Cryptographic AttacksPub. L. 115-368 – National Quantum Initiative ActH.R. 8462 – National Quantum Initiative Reauthorization ActS. 3597 – National Quantum Initiative Reauthorization Act of 2026NIST Post-Quantum Cryptography StandardsOuter Space Treaty (1967)Agreement Governing the Activities of States on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies (1979)The Artemis Accords (2020)Pub. L. 114-90 – U.S. Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act
Thomas L. Friedman on the Intersection of Geopolitics and Technology
2026/10/16
In his keynote address at the ABA’s 36th Annual Review of the Field of National Security Law CLE Conference, New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman makes an urgent case for rethinking how we manage technology and our relationships with one another. Joined in conversation by Glenn S. Gerstell, Chair of the Standing Committee on Law and National Security, Friedman explores AI’s extraordinary promise and the dangers of moving faster than our ability to govern it. Their discussion spans U.S.–China competition, the spread of powerful technologies, and lessons from decades of conflict in the Middle East. Drawing on a lifetime of reporting, Friedman asks what it will take for rival nations to recognize their shared stakes and work together before a crisis forces their hand.
Thomas L. Friedman is a foreign affairs columnist for The New York Times, a three-time Pulitzer Prize winner, and the author of seven bestselling books, including The World Is Flat and From Beirut to Jerusalem.
Glenn S. Gerstell is Chair of the ABA Standing Committee on Law and National Security, a Senior Adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and former General Counsel of the National Security Agency.
How AI and Emerging Tech Are Shaping the Future of Warfare
2026/10/08
Recorded live on September 29th at the Army and Navy Club in Washington, D.C., this episode brings together host Elisa Poteat, Lt. Gen. Jack Shanahan, USAF (Ret.), former DCSA Director David Cattler, and Professor Gary Corn to explore this changing landscape. Drawing on their experience in military AI, intelligence, and national security law, the speakers offer perspectives on what these advances mean for defense and military operations. Together, they consider how national security strategy and law can keep pace as emerging technologies reshape the battlefield.
Lt. Gen. Jack Shanahan, USAF (Ret.), was the inaugural director of the Department of Defense’s Joint Artificial Intelligence Center and the founding director of Project Maven, pioneering the use of AI in military operations and intelligence.
David Cattler is a senior strategic advisor and founder of Ironhelm Works who previously served as director of the Defense Counterintelligence and Security Agency and NATO Assistant Secretary General for Intelligence and Security.
Professor Gary Corn is director of the Technology, Law & Security Program at American University, and an adjunct professor of cyber and national security law who previously served as general counsel to U.S. Cyber Command.
AI and Disruptive Technologies: Transforming National Security and the Law - What’s Ahead?
2026/09/24
Elisa Poteat and Standing Committee Chair Glenn Gerstell preview the 36th Annual Review of National Security Law CLE Conference, AI and Disruptive Technologies: Transforming National Security and the Law. The conference will feature top experts from legal and policy fields discussing AI safety, geopolitical competition, emerging warfare, quantum computing, election security, and more. With keynote conversations, networking opportunities, and up to 10 hours of CLE credit available, the conference offers a chance to engage directly with the issues shaping the future of national security law.
Don't miss out! Early bird registration is still open for the 36th Annual Review of National Security Law CLE Conference – Oct. 8th-9th, at the Omni Shoreham hotel in Washington, DC
Glenn S. Gerstell is Chair of the ABA Standing Committee on Law and National Security, a Senior Adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and former General Counsel of the National Security Agency
Two Countries, Two Visions for AI with Graham Webster
2026/09/18
The U.S. and China are both racing to advance artificial intelligence, but they may not be running the same race. Graham Webster, research scholar at Stanford University’s Center for International Security and Cooperation, joins Elisa Poteat to examine China’s rapidly evolving AI ecosystem, from open-weight reasoning models and semiconductor constraints to Beijing’s approach to regulation and risk. They explore what China means by keeping AI “under human control,” how Chinese and American policymakers perceive AI safety differently, and whether competition between the two countries is obscuring a much more complicated technological landscape.
Graham Webster is a research scholar in Stanford University’s Program on Geopolitics, Technology, and Governance and editor-in-chief of the DigiChina Project, where his work focuses on technology policy in China and U.S.–China relations.
References:
Graham Webster, “Will China Crack Down on Open-Weight Models?” Tech Policy Press, August 17, 2026Graham Webster, Here It Comes, SubstackGraham Webster, Here It Comes with Graham Webster, Apple PodcastsXi Jinping, “Joining Hands to Build a Just and Equitable System for Global AI Governance,” 2026 World Artificial Intelligence Conference, July 17, 2026Dario Amodei, “We Must Pace the Frontier,” September 2026State Council of the People’s Republic of China, “New Generation Artificial Intelligence Development Plan,” July 20, 2017“Internet Information Service Algorithmic Recommendation Management Provisions,” effective March 1, 2022The Wall Street Journal, “China Also Thinks AI Could Kill Us. But First, It Wants to Match the U.S.,” September 14, 2026
The AI Regime Change with Sam Hammond
2026/09/11
What happens when technological change begins moving faster than the institutions designed to govern it? This week, Elisa is joined by Sam Hammond, Director of Artificial Intelligence Policy and Chief Economist at the Foundation for American Innovation, to examine AI as a potentially transformative technological regime change, from autonomous agents and scientific discovery to regulatory disruption, workforce displacement, and new national security risks. They consider how policymakers might preserve AI’s enormous potential while confronting the increasingly difficult question of how to keep its most powerful capabilities under control.
Sam Hammond is Director of Artificial Intelligence Policy and Chief Economist at the Foundation for American Innovation, where his research focuses on artificial intelligence and the institutional impact of emerging technologies.
References:
Register for the 36th Annual Review of National Security Law CLE Conference – Oct. 8th-9th, at the Omni Shoreham hotel in Washington, DC Samuel Hammond, “The Sorcerer’s Apprentice”. Second Best. August 12, 2026.Samuel Hammond, “Europe Blunders on AI”. City Journal. March 22, 2024.Samuel Hammond, “AI and Leviathan”. Second Best series. August 23, 2023.Anthropic, “Responsible Scaling Policy”Utah Office of Artificial Intelligence Policy, “Doctronic AI Prescription Renewal Pilot”Robert C. Allen, “Engels’ Pause: Technical Change, Capital Accumulation, and Inequality in the British Industrial Revolution” (2009)Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash (1992)Octavia E. Butler, Parable of the Sower (1993)
The White House Cyber Memorandum: Expanding the Fight Against Transnational Cybercrime with Michael McLaughlin
2026/08/31
Can private companies help the U.S. government fight cybercrime without creating new national security risks of their own? Michael McLaughlin, author of Battlefield Cyber, joins Elisa to examine the new Presidential Memorandum, Expanding Capabilities to Combat Transnational Cyber-Enabled Crime, and what it could mean for the private sector’s role in cyber surveillance and cyber effects operations against transnational criminal organizations. They explore the difficult questions surrounding oversight, attribution, liability, escalation, and the targeting of U.S. persons before turning to the latest national security headlines, from Meta’s multibillion-dollar settlement and the race for critical minerals to tensions in the Middle East and China’s increasingly visible push into AI and advanced robotics.
Michael McLaughlin is an attorney at Buchanan Ingersoll & Rooney, author of Battlefield Cyber, and a former senior counterintelligence advisor to U.S. Cyber Command.
References:
Presidential Memorandum – Expanding Capabilities to Combat Transnational Cyber-Enabled Crime. August 12, 2026.Computer Fraud and Abuse ActExecutive Order 12333 – United States Intelligence ActivitiesNational Security Presidential Memorandum 13 (NSPM-13)Article 51 of the United Nations CharterU.S. Constitution, Article I – Letters of Marque and Reprisal
From Drone Warfare to the AI Arms Race with Rob Joyce
2026/08/20
This week, Elisa opens with a roundup of the latest national security news, including developments in Ukraine and Iran, emerging AI and biosecurity concerns, quantum readiness, and growing competition between U.S. and Chinese AI models. From there, the episode returns to a recent conversation between Elisa and former NSA Cybersecurity Director Rob Joyce, offering a broader perspective on how the national security community is adapting to rapid technological change. Drawing on his 34-year career at the NSA, Joyce offers a measured perspective on where the most significant risks are emerging, how government and industry can respond, and what it will take to stay ahead of the next generation of threats.
Rob Joyce is the founder of Joyce Cyber LLC and a former senior NSA cybersecurity leader who served more than 34 years at the agency, including as head of Tailored Access Operations and the Cybersecurity Directorate.
References:
Meta – The Future Is for Everyone
The Wall Street Journal – Iran’s Secret Plan to Escalate the War
Financial Times – How Ukrainian Drone Expertise Is Helping Colombian Narcos
Arc Institute – Evo 2 and AI-Designed Bacteriophages
Makkah Joint Defence Agreement – Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, and Pakistan
Financial Times – OpenAI and Anthropic in Price War as Chinese AI Rivals Gain Ground
Nikkei Asia – Five US Tech Giants’ Hidden Debts Soar to $1.65tn on Opaque AI Funding
Post Quantum Cryptography Strategy. Department of War. April 16 2026
E.O. 14413: Ushering in the Next Frontier of Quantum Innovation
Regulating AI Without Stifling Innovation with Jamil Jaffer
2026/08/13
Should lawmakers move quickly to regulate AI, or continue giving innovation room to run? This week, Elisa is joined by Jamil Jaffer, Founder and Executive Director of the National Security Institute at the Antonin Scalia Law School at George Mason University, to examine the evolving debate over AI regulation in the United States. Together, they discuss where targeted safeguards may be necessary, the national security risks posed by Chinese AI models, and whether Congress can realistically keep pace with rapid technological change. They also consider how the U.S. can address AI’s risks while preserving innovation and maintaining its competitive edge.
Jamil Jaffer is the Founder and Executive Director of the National Security Institute at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School, where he also serves as an Assistant Professor of Law and leads programs focused on national security, cyber, and intelligence law.
References:
The Great American AI ActWhite House – Winning the Race: America’s AI Action PlanSen. Mark Kelly’s AI and Defense LegislationEU Artificial Intelligence ActCrowdStrike Research on DeepSeek Security VulnerabilitiesBooz Allen — What’s in America’s Code?
Could AI Hollow Out the Tax Base? with Lee Lockwood
2026/08/05
As artificial intelligence reshapes the economy, what happens when fewer workers are earning wages and contributing to the tax base? This week, Elisa is joined by Lee Lockwood, an economics professor at the University of Virginia, to examine the possibility of a modern “Engels’ Pause,” a prolonged period in which technological progress increases productivity and wealth without improving conditions for workers. Together, they explore how widespread automation could affect employment, inequality, government revenue, capital investment, and national security—and what history can teach us about navigating a post-labor economy.
Lee Lockwood is a professor of economics at the University of Virginia whose research focuses on transformative artificial intelligence, public finance, and labor economics.
References:
Korinek, Anton, and Lee M. Lockwood. “Public Finance in the Age of AI: A Primer.” Brookings Center on Regulation and Markets, Nov. 2025.Register for our upcoming event: From Public Service to Private Sector: In-House Counsel Navigating Modern Security Threats – Tues., Sept. 1, at 6PM. at Greenberg Traurig LLP – co-hosted by the Women in National Security Law InitiativeRegister for the 36th Annual Review of National Security Law CLE Conference – Oct. 8th-9th, at the Omni Shoreham hotel in Washington, DC
News Roundup: Drones, Chips, and the New Economic Battlefield
2026/07/30
In this news roundup, Elisa examines how emerging technologies, economic competition, and shifting methods of warfare are reshaping the national security landscape. She covers the Pentagon’s investment in low-cost drones, Ukraine’s continued use of unmanned systems against Russia, China’s dominance of critical minerals and AI development, the growing use of cryptocurrency to evade sanctions, and renewed debates over tariffs, energy policy, and economic security. Elisa also previews an upcoming series exploring how AI and other disruptive technologies could affect the U.S. economy—and what legal and policy tools may be available to address those risks without stifling innovation.
References:
Register for our upcoming event: From Public Service to Private Sector: In-House Counsel Navigating Modern Security Threats – Tues., Sept. 1, at 6PM. at Greenberg Traurig LLP – co-hosted by the Women in National Security Law Initiative.Register for the 36th Annual Review of National Security Law CLE Conference – Oct. 8th-9th, at the Omni Shoreham hotel in Washington, DC Chainalysis, “Crypto Crime Reaches Record High in 2025 as Nation-State Sanctions Evasion Moves On-Chain at Scale” (January 8, 2026)The White House, “Actions by the United States in the Investigations Under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974,” presidential memorandum, July 23, 2026.
Export Controls in the Age of AI & Quantum with Doni Bloomfield (Part 2)
2026/07/22
In Part 2 of their conversation, Elisa and Fordham Law Professor Doni Bloomfield examine whether the modern export-control system is equipped to govern emerging technologies like AI, quantum computing, and advanced semiconductors. Together, they explore trade-secret theft, intellectual property rights, restrictions on scientific research, and the challenge of protecting national security without stifling innovation.
Doni Bloomfield is an Associate Professor of Law at Fordham Law School whose work focuses on intellectual property, biosecurity, national security law, and health law.
References:
Bloomfield, Doni. “Export Controls as Intellectual Property Regulation.” Iowa Law Review, vol. 111, 2026, pp. 1955–2005.Bloomfield, Doni, and Jeff Gordon. “The New Export-Control Equilibrium.” SSRN, Fordham Law Legal Studies Research Paper no. 6634758, 23 Apr. 2026Trading With The Enemy Act of 1917The Espionage Act (1917)The Sedition Act (1918)The Invention Secrecy Act (1951)Gross, Daniel P. “The Consequences of Invention Secrecy.” NBER Working Paper no. 25545, 2019.National Security Decision Directive 189Export Control Reform Act of 2018NSLT, Ep. 419, "Biological Data Governance in an Age of AI with Doni Bloomfield"
Export Controls in the Age of AI & Quantum with Doni Bloomfield (Part 1)
2026/07/17
Export controls have long determined which American technologies can cross borders—and which must remain secret. In Part 1 of this two-part series, Elisa is joined by Professor Doni Bloomfield to trace the evolution of U.S. export controls from World War I through the Cold War, examining how wartime censorship, patent secrecy, atomic technology, semiconductors, and cryptography shaped the modern regulatory system. Together, they explore the government’s expanding role in restricting sensitive information, the tension between national security and scientific openness, and the historical foundations of today’s debates over emerging technology.
Doni Bloomfield is an Associate Professor of Law at Fordham Law School whose work focuses on intellectual property, biosecurity, national security law, and health law. References:
Bloomfield, Doni. “Export Controls as Intellectual Property Regulation.” Iowa Law Review, vol. 111, 2026, pp. 1955–2005.Bloomfield, Doni, and Jeff Gordon. “The New Export-Control Equilibrium.” SSRN, Fordham Law Legal Studies Research Paper no. 6634758, 23 Apr. 2026Trading With The Enemy Act of 1917The Espionage Act (1917)The Sedition Act (1918)The Invention Secrecy Act (1951)Gross, Daniel P. “The Consequences of Invention Secrecy.” NBER Working Paper no. 25545, 2019.National Security Decision Directive 189
AI, Quantum, and the New Threat Landscape with Rob Joyce
2026/07/09
AI, quantum computing, and cyber capabilities are redefining what national security threats look like. This week, Elisa is joined by Rob Joyce, former Director of the NSA’s Cybersecurity Directorate, for a conversation on how emerging technologies are altering both the threat landscape and the national security response. Drawing on Joyce’s 34-year career at the National Security Agency, the episode explores AI-enabled cyber risks, the defense of critical infrastructure, government-industry collaboration, quantum readiness, and the workforce needed to navigate the next phase of national security.
Rob Joyce is the founder of Joyce Cyber LLC and a former senior NSA cybersecurity leader who served more than 34 years at the agency, including as head of Tailored Access Operations and the Cybersecurity Directorate.
References:
Post Quantum Cryptography Strategy. Department of War. April 16 2026
E.O. 14413: Ushering in the Next Frontier of Quantum Innovation
20 Years of DOJ’s National Security Division: A Live Discussion with Former Leaders
2026/07/02
The Department of Justice’s National Security Division marks 20 years at the center of the federal government’s national security mission. This week, we're featuring a recent live discussion hosted by the ABA Standing Committee on Law and National Security, “DOJ National Security Division 20th Year Anniversary: A Discussion with Former Assistant Attorneys General for National Security.” Moderated by Kelli Andrews, former NSD Chief of Staff, the panel brings together former Assistant Attorneys General Matthew G. Olsen, John Demers, John P. Carlin, and Kenneth L. Wainstein to reflect on NSD’s work addressing nation-state threats, foreign investment risks, espionage, cyber attacks, terrorism, and other evolving national security challenges.
Moderated by Kelli Andrews, Senior Director for Cybersecurity and Lawful Access Policy at Microsoft
Matthew G. Olsen is a Partner at WilmerHale John Demers is the Corporate Secretary, Vice President and Assistant General Counsel at Boeing John P. Carlin is a Partner at Paul Weiss
Kenneth L. Wainstein is a Partner at Mayer Brown
References:
NSIT: Quantum Computing Explained E.O. 14413: Ushering in the Next Frontier of Quantum Innovation
Alexandra Kelley. “OMB Issues Instructions for Agency Migration to Quantum-Proof Encryption.” Nextgov/FCW, 25 June 2026.
NSLT, Ep. 426, "A New Iran Deal? Unpacking the MOU with Brian Egan"
Watch for conference and registration information for the 36th Annual Review of the Field of National Security Law CLE Conference – October 7-8, 2026, Omni Shoreham Hotel, Washington, DC
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