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This week, Kate sits down with Caro Claire Burke, author of the hit debut novel Yesteryear, the trad wife time travel thriller that triggered a publishing bidding war, has already been optioned by Anne Hathaway, and is Good Morning America's April book club pick. They discuss a variety of topics within the book (with spoilers, FYI), including how you write an unreliable narrator whose worldview fundamentally opposes your own, the layers of performance that start with God and end with the algorithm, why Natalie is deserving of sympathy as both a victim and a bad person, the Ballerina Farm and Ruby Franke parallels, Caleb as a vacant vessel, why the twist ending had Kate pacing at 2 AM rethinking her life choices, and how the epilogue reframes everything. They also detour into Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and the Taylor Frankie Paul of it all, plus sleepover discourse against Caro's will, how they both relate to Natalie's experience with being publicly perceived, and Caro's experience selling the book and film rights before the book was even finished. Spoilers throughout. Enjoy! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! TIMESTAMPS (SPOILERS BELOW): 0:00 Intro, Kate's reaction to Yesteryear 17:30 Interview begins, creating Natalie's voice, writing an unlikable unreliable narrator 22:00 Layers of performance: God, family, social media, the surveillance of being watched your whole life 35:00 Ballerina Farm, Ruby Franke, who Natalie is based on, how much influence trad wives actually have 47:30 Caleb and the manosphere, the breeding contract, selling a trad wife novel when everyone thought Kamala was going to win 55:00 The liberal feminist case for the trad wife, the failure of lean-in feminism, women sharing survival tips 1:01:00 The ending explained: the twist, the psychosis, what's real, and the epilogue 1:21:00 The meta conversation: parasocial relationships, being a public person, deification to dehumanization 1:28:00 Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Taylor Frankie Paul, justice for Whitney, Connor vs. Zach 1:58:00 Anne Hathaway, how book-to-movie deals actually work, and what Caro wants readers to walk away with This Mother's Day, give the gift that shows up every single night. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVEBOGO for an exclusive Buy One, Give One offer running from April 12th to April 18th on sheet sets and if you get a post-purchase survey, mention you heard about Cozy Earth here. For the person who makes everywhere feel like home. For a limited time get 40% off your first order PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive. That's Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive, code bethereinfive to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life. Refresh your spring wardrobe with Quince. Go to Quince.com/bethereinfive for free shipping and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. Go to Quince.com/bethereinfive for free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince.com/bethereinfive. Instead of striving for perfect health, aim for supporting foundational health. Save 25% on your first month at Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 25% off your first month. Way Day is THE sale to shop the best deals in home – we're talking up to 80% OFF with fast and FREE shipping on everything! Head to Wayfair.com April 25th through the 27th to shop Way Day. That'  Wayfair.com. Wayfair. Every style. Every home.   KEYWORDS: Yesteryear, Caro Claire Burke, Yesteryear book review, Yesteryear ending explained, Yesteryear spoilers, trad wife novel, Yesteryear book club discussion, ballerina farm, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Anne Hathaway Yesteryear movie, Diabolical Lies podcast, trad wife discourse, BookTok, GMA book club April  

(Same as Patreon) On this bonus episode, Kate once again accidentally times a speculative episode to drop right as the thing she's speculating about gets confirmed, and she genuinely can't tell if that makes this redundant or exactly what you needed today. This episode breaks down the Amanda Batula and West Wilson situation on Summer House, what we know, what we don't, and why this one hit differently than she expected, and even uncharacteristically provides a hot take, complete with a confidence interval. What started as a story she almost brushed off turned into a wide-ranging conversation about the sanctity of female friendships, male charisma on reality TV, the Sandoval parallel she can't stop thinking about, the race conversation from recent episodes that reframes everything, the ethics of meme journalism, why breakups that "shouldn't" matter sometimes matter the most, the unspoken social contract of apartment living in a city with big windows, Amanda's Batula-coated cool girl style, and the discovery that Kate and West unfortunately have the same taste in fast fashions. This relationship was confirmed this afternoon, March 31, and this episode was recorded on March 30, so forgive any inconsistencies. Enjoy!

This week, Kate is breaking her hiatus for a special report recorded before Thursday's news that ABC was scrapping TFP's season of The Bachelorette. Ultimately, she decided this episode was still a relevant conversation to have, given that she and her guest (Sam Dalton, LCSW @sam.the.therapistt) talked through the systems and cycles that made this week's fallout unsurprising long before the video leaked. Together, they unpack the rose colored glass ceiling of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, where women perform rebellion without ever actually leaving the structures that constrain them. They discuss how ABC and Hulu built a cross-platform content pipeline on top of a woman's unresolved trauma, why the show's premise was always rooted in Taylor's reactivity, the pattern of Dakota's strategic sabotage, what it means when healing requires the opposite of what reality TV rewards, and the uncomfortable question of why so many of us, Kate included, glossed over a 2023 aggravated assault charge that was packaged as the starting point of a redemption arc. Content note: this episode discusses domestic violence, child abuse allegations, and toxic relationship dynamics. SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Stay hydrated with on-the-go hydration from Liquid I.V. Tear. Pour. Live More. Go to LIQUID-IV.COM and get 20% off your first purchase with code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. That's 20% off your first purchase with code BETHEREINFIVE at LIQUID-IV.COM. Discover how care in every detail transforms simple routines into moments of true comfort and ease. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for up to 20% off. And if you get a Post-Purchase Survey, be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here! Experience the craft behind the comfort, and make every day feel intentional. Join the loyalty program for renters at joinbilt.com/bethereinfive. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you. Go to helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for the March Madness Sale, 20% off sitewide through March 26. Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you!  Caraway's cookware set is a favorite for a reason, it can save you up to $230 versus buying the items individually. Plus, if you visit Carawayhome.com/BTIF you can take an additional 10% off your next purchase.This deal is exclusive for our listeners. Caraway. Non-Toxic kitchenware made modern.

This week, Kate attempts to revive (but then mostly records a new version of) a fan-favorite Patreon from 2021 about the way Taylor Swift pronounces words. We're talking plosives, brain-scratching vowels, and  why certain words sung a certain way make you want to listen again, but with updated takes from Midnights to TTPD to Showgirl. Enjoy! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Caraway's cookware set is a favorite for a reason, it can save you up to $230 versus buying the items individually. Plus, if you visit Carawayhome.com/BTIF you can take an additional 10% off your next purchase.This deal is exclusive for our listeners, so visit Carawayhome.com/BTIF or use code BTIF at checkout. Caraway. Non-Toxic kitchenware made modern. Discover how care in every detail transforms simple routines into moments of true comfort and ease. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for up to 20% off. And if you get a Post-Purchase Survey, be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here! Experience the craft behind the comfort, and make every day feel intentional. You're going to love Hungryroot as much as I do. For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive. That's Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive, code bethereinfive to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life. Right now, go to Quince.com/bethereinfive for free shipping and 365-day returns. That's a full year to wear it and love it. And you will. Now available in Canada, too. Don't keep settling for clothes that don't last. Go to Quince.com/bethereinfive for free shipping and 365-day returns.  Instead of striving for perfect health, aim for supporting foundational health. Save 25% on your first month at Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 25% off your first month. Find furniture, decor, and essentials that fit your unique style and budget. Head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. That's Wayfair.com. Wayfair. Every style. Every home.

This week, Kate and Caroline Moss revisit the beloved Mama Slay at the Lake episode with a director's cut of our delirious 6 AM conversation about irreverent merch, warm beans, Facebook walls, Maxine culture, and Steve Madden platform loafers, followed by a brand new conversation where we get into pun drift, Disney adults in matching shirts, the grievance merch pipeline, Kate's Hamilton/American Girl mashup, and why lake town signs are the truest window into the suppressed psyche of second home motherhood. JFK Jr. and CBK content will be up later today on Patreon! Enjoy. SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Join the loyalty program for renters at joinbilt.com/bethereinfive - Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you. Caraway's cookware set is a favorite for a reason, it can save you up to $190 versus buying the items individually. Plus, if you visit Carawayhome.com/BTIF you can take an additional 10% off your next purchase.This deal is exclusive for our listeners, so visit Carawayhome.com/BTIF  or use code BTIF at checkout. Caraway. Non-Toxic kitchenware made modern. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for up to 20% off. And if you get a Post-Purchase Survey, be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here! Celebrate everyday love with comfort that makes the little moments count. Go to helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for the President's Day Sale, Feb 2 - 25, which is 27% off sitewide, exclusive for listeners of Be There in Five.  Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you! For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to  Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive, code bethereinfive to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life. Tear. Pour. Live More. Go to LIQUID-IV.COM and get 20% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. That's 20% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE at LIQUID-IV.COM.

(Same as Patreon) Kate’s away and talking about her week of girl hangs, dental shame, Whitney on Broadway, and her suspicions about Nancy Guthrie coverage being all day, every day. Also discusses the Opalite video, Bad Bunny discourse, influencer plastic surgery, among many other topics. Enjoy and sorry for spiraling at the end about the JE files byeeeee

This week, Kate revisits an infamous episode from March 2020 about dips, sauces, and dipping sauces. Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Right now, Betterwild is offering our listeners up to 40% off your order at Betterwild.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Betterwild.com/BETHEREINFIVE for up to 40% off your order.   Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for up to 20% off. And if you get a Post-Purchase Survey, be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here! Celebrate everyday love with comfort that makes the little moments count. For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive.  Refresh your wardrobe with Quince. Go to Quince.com/bethereinfive for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. Instead of striving for perfect health, aim for supporting foundational health. Save 25% on your first month at Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE.  Get organized, refreshed, and back on track this new year for WAY less. Head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. Wayfair. Every style. Every home

The culture that made the Beths say the Beth culture was for them. Mashup ep with 40+ min of new audio.     SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Whether it's a weekend away, a big night out, or just a much-needed wardrobe refresh – your dream wardrobe is just one click away. Head to REVOLVE.com/BETHEREINFIVE, shop my edit, and take 15% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE.  Offer ends February 2nd, so happy shopping! Right now, Baked by Melissa is offering our listeners 20% off your order at Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 20% off your order. Join the loyalty program for renters at joinbilt.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's joinbilt.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you. This deal is exclusive for our listeners, so visit Carawayhome.com/BTIF or use code BTIF at checkout. Caraway. Non-Toxic kitchenware made modern. These viral pj's are so good they sold out during the holidays, and now they're back with an exclusive deal only available January 25th- February 8th. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVEBOGO to get these pj's for you and someone you love! Go to helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for The New Year Sale Final Hours, whish is 20% off sitewide. Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you! Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life.

This week, Kate has an announcement that she shares at the beginning of the episode that will then explain the rest of the episode and why its title may sound familiar. Enjoy! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Right now, Betterwild is offering our listeners up to 40% off your order at betterwild.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's betterwild.com/BETHEREINFIVE  for up to 40% off your order. Start the New Year off right and give your home the luxury it deserves, and make home the best part of life. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for up to 20% off. And if you get a Post-Purchase Survey, be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here!  You're going to love Hungryroot as much as I do. For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive.  Rehydrate with better hydration from Liquid I.V. Tear. Pour. Live More. Go to LIQUID-IV.COM and get 20% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. Refresh your wardrobe with Quince. Don't wait. Go to quince.com/bethereinfive for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too.  Instead of striving for perfect health, aim for supporting foundational health. For a limited time, save 40% on your first month at Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE. 

(Same as Patreon!) Men will let you down. Kate and Kelly never will.

(Same as Patreon!) Sharing some crowd-sourced examples of lower labor Holiday traditions as a follow-up from Shelf Help, as well as explaining the DWTS event (not related to DWTS) I went to and the convo we had with Julianne, along with figuring out the mystery chime from this week's episode via a chat about Christmas villages. Riveting stuff! Happy Holidays. Kel and I will return soon to discuss the Eras tour docuseries for the next bonus ep.

This week, Kate reflects on 2025 for feeling depleting yet not defining, exhausting and sometimes forgettable; a year of endless micro-trends, political chaos, and moment sludge that somehow left very little to hold onto. Fun! She dives into "viral death cycle" and why nothing sticks anymore, explores the three stages of aging out of culture, explores why many of us feel our brains are broken, and processes the weird grief of realizing you're no longer "becoming" someone but existing deep in a routine, all while she grapples with her uncool taste in apples. TLDR: a contemplative, honest, sometimes vulnerable year-end reflection about culture, the internet, our interests, and Kate's job at the intersection, and how this is the first year she felt like she's officially getting old. Happy Holidays! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! For a limited time, save on the perfect gift by visiting AuraFrames.com to get $35 off Aura's best selling Carver Mat frames - named #1 by Wirecutter -  by using promo code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. That's AuraFrames.com promo code BETHEREINFIVE. Support the show by mentioning us at checkout! Terms and conditions apply.  Right now, Baked by Melissa is offering our listeners 20% off your order at Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 20% off your order.  Download the app and head to the Deals tab to start Chatbooking today. Special code: BETHEREINFIVE for 20% off your purchase. Give the gift of every day luxury and make every moment comfortable. Headto cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for up to 20% off.  Don't miss this opportunity—visit DraperJames.com and use code BTIF10 for 10% off. These pieces sell out fast, especially the new arrivals, so head over today. Link is in the show notes! Right now we have a special discount just for our listeners. Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAMalibu.com. That's OSEAMalibu.com code BETHEREINFIVE.

This week, Kate welcomes back Sarah Chapelle (Taylor Swift Style) to discuss the first two episodes of Disney+'s The End of an Era docuseries. They dissect the emotional weight of episodes 1 and 2; from the devastating Vienna terror plot and Southport attack to Taylor's leadership style, bonus day generosity, and the physical toll of performing and beyond. Kate and Sarah analyze what the docuseries reveals about Taylor's collaborative process with her team, they predict future episodes (Miami costumes? Travis spotlight?), debate burning questions (Why no debut representation? Justice for YOYOK! What's the deal with the high-low ombre dress?), and explore whether the docuseries does a better job showing "the life of a showgirl" than the album itself. Overall, a thoughtful, detailed, and fun conversation about what makes this tour and this documentary still so compelling three years later. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! For a limited time, save on the perfect gift by visiting AuraFrames.com to get $35 off Aura's best selling Carver Mat frames at AURAFrames.com promo code BETHEREINFIVE. Right now, Betterwild is offering our listeners up to 40% off your order at Betterwild.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Betterwild.com/BETHEREINFIVE for up to 40% off your order. Don't miss this opportunity—visit DraperJames.com and use code BTIF10 for 10% off. These pieces sell out fast, especially the new arrivals, so head over today. Go to helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for their current offer. If you're listening Dec 12 - 14, get 25% off sitewise. If you're listenting Dec 15 - 22, you'll get 20% off sitewide. Outside of those dates there are always discounts at helixsleep.com/bethereinfive. Make sure you enter our show name into the post-purchase survey so they know we sent you! Get 10% off your purchase with my new code BETHEREINFIVE10 at marcfisherfootwear.com. That's marcfisherfootwear.com for 10% off with code BETHEREINFIVE10. Don't settle for less than evidence-based support. My listeners get 25% off your first month at Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 25% off your first month.

This week, Kate investigates Elf on the Shelf: cute Christmas tradition or late-capitalist nightmare? After a simple Instagram question turned into hundreds of responses about surveillance capitalism, invisible labor, and performative parenting, she started to unpack what this manufactured tradition reveals about millennial parenting, Christmas magic, and the mental load of the holidays. Can it just be holly-jolly casual for those of us who like light whimsy labor, or does it have to match its corresponding oppressive, mischievous Christmas elf canon? Plus, the suspicious origin story of Christopher Pop-in-kins and whether Elf on the Shelf's biggest crime isn't the ziplining across the kitchen on dental floss, but intellectual property theft. Enjoy! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Right now, Baked by Melissa is offering our listeners 20% off your order at Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 20% off your order.  For a limited time, save on the perfect gift by visiting AuraFrames.com to get $35 off Aura's best-selling Carver Mat frames - named #1 by Wirecutter -  by using promo code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. That's AuraFrames.com promo code BETHEREINFIVE. . This season, give yourself—and your loved ones—the gift of perfectly cooked meals with CHEF iQ. And with my promo code BETHEREINFIVE you can save 30% and get all your shopping done! Go to CHEFIQ.com, promo code BETHEREINFIVE  Give the gift of everyday luxury this holiday season. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for up to 40% off — just be sure to place your order by December 12th for guaranteed Christmas delivery. Listening after the 12th? Don't worry — my code still works year-round for 20% off.  Take advantage of this exclusive offer: For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive.  Whether it's a weekend away, a big night out, or just a little style refresh – your dream wardrobe is just one click away. Head to REVOLVE.com/BETHEREINFIVE, shop my edit, and take 15% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE. Fast two-day shipping, easy returns – it's literally the only place you need to shop from.  So don't wait – make this holiday the year you give something truly unforgettable. To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/BETHEREINFIVE.

Bonus episode reacting to the DWTS Season 34 finale: Robert Ir’sWin, Alix Earle's journey, Jordan Chiles crushing it, the psychological element of partner intimacy and summer camp syndrome, and a dream cast wishlist for next season. Let me know yours in the comments. Sad summer camp is over!