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Jonathan Pageau looks at symbolism in all its forms, from its source in sacred stories and images to contemporary culture and ultimately how it shapes the world we encounter.
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491 - Over The Garden Wall’s Cosmic Symbolism
2026/10/28
~ Full spoilers throughout! ~
Last year, several of you pointed me to Over the Garden Wall, Patrick McHale's 2014 Cartoon Network series. It's ten short episodes about two brothers lost in a dark wood on Halloween. It turns out to be one of the most complete explorations of the in-between I've seen in pop culture, closer to the first canto of Dante than you'd expect from a cartoon. In this video I discuss the symbolism in the show.
YouTube version: https://youtu.be/VDYYV9xizZs
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490 - How Idolatry Began (Universal History)
2026/10/23
Part 5. In this episode, Deacon Seraphim Rohlin and I continue the Syriac text of the Cave of Treasures into the fourth age of the world. The text traces the origins of idolatry back to a lack of hope in the resurrection. It tells of a “flood of wind” that buried the idols in mounds, and it puts the origin of sorcery in a child sacrifice to a golden image. We also look at how the text explains Persian fire worship and why it makes Nimrod the same person as Zoroaster. Along the way we talk about the difference between an icon and an idol.
Watch the YouTube version: https://youtu.be/JLLlb-QqLBk
Watch the full series here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLegM2eIGv3-I&si=uD375Yi9HcXAt4_j-------------------------------GodsDog: Monk is now officially in stock! You can also get volumes 1 and 2 on sale during October! Visit: https://godsdog.com/-------------------------------The Book of the Cave of Treasures: https://www.amazon.com/Book-Cave-Treasures-Patriarchs-Crucifixion/dp/1911405659Timestamps: 0:00 Coming up1:26 Intro1:40 Preamble3:42 The Cave of Treasures & the Seven Ages of the World5:30 Tolkien's Middle-earth as Universal History6:11 The Oxford Summit & Tolkien's Grave8:41 King Arthur, Dragon Hill & the Blood Spot12:09 The Fourth Age: Egypt, Sheba, Ophir & India14:43 How Idolatry Began15:17 No Hope of Resurrection: Images on the Grave17:02 The Flood of Wind & the Burial Mounds18:55 Satan Enters the Golden Image21:01 Child Sacrifice, Moloch & Carthage22:41 What's the Difference Between an Icon and an Idol?25:58 Opening the Mouth of the Idol27:25 Idols As a Tool28:38 Same Rituals, Different Direction29:38 Idolatry vs. the Hope of Resurrection30:31 A Mound Full of Devils32:57 Nimrod Worships the Fire from the Earth33:43 Nimrod & the Wisdom of Noah's Son34:47 Abraham the True Astrologer35:10 Divination in the Old Testament: Urim, Thummim & the Ephod37:37 The Fire Priest's Dark Initiation40:34 How Paganism Emerges41:17 The Origins of Astrology42:56 Nimrod Is Zoroaster?44:11 Zoroaster, the Magi & the Star of Christ45:05 Nimrod, Zoroaster & Balaam: The Same Person?48:21 The Legend of Balaam's Talking Donkey49:06 Hidden Monotheism in the Ancient World51:21 Universal History as a Lens on the Present52:12 Why Zoroastrians Don't Bury Their Dead53:29 Armenia's Hayk & the Death of Nimrod🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website, blog, courses: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com📚 Store: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/
489 - Dear Catholics: Let’s Put Renaissance Art Behind Us
2026/10/21
This is a patron video we decided to make public. I look at the difference between Renaissance art and the symbolic language of early Christianity, especially through the mosaics of Saint John Lateran. Saint John Lateran is the cathedral of Rome and the pope’s actual seat as Bishop of Rome.
This episode will be easier to understand on YouTube since it's based on visual art: https://youtu.be/TvsDGsKlIiQ-------------------------------GodsDog: Monk is now officially in stock! You can also get volumes 1 and 2 on sale during October! Visit: https://godsdog.com/-------------------------------🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website, blog, courses: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com📚 Store: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/
488 - Relics Explained: Why your dead body is still precious
2026/10/15
Why do Christians venerate the relics of saints, and how can these objects perform miracles? I explore the biblical and symbolic meaning of relics, from the bones of Elisha to the incorrupt bodies of saints, and what they reveal about the body, holiness, and the resurrection.
YouTube version: https://youtu.be/YnopjkmE6Nk-------------------------------GodsDog: Monk is now officially in stock! You can also get volumes 1 and 2 on sale during October! Visit: https://godsdog.com/-------------------------------🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website, blog, courses: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com📚 Store: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/
487 - Divine Patterns in The Life of Moses (Archive)
2026/10/13
This talk is a repost from the archive. It was given in Feb. 2017 at the Climacus Conference in Louisville Kentucky. Looking at the story of the life of Moses as described by St. Gregory of Nyssa, I use the pattern found there to trace a map of the cosmos which can be used to interpret other stories and images.
YouTube version: https://youtu.be/hUWZllivScw
This is the second part of a talk. The first part is here: https://youtu.be/S1y-jEYNRNc
The original audio was taken from Ancient Faith Radio: https://www.ancientfaith.com/
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486 - Encountering God in Stories (Archive)
2026/10/09
The patterns in stories appear as their underlying order and also as a mode of human consciousness. We can encounter the Divine Logos in ancient stories and see how these patterns culminate in the story of Christ.
YouTube version: https://youtu.be/S1y-jEYNRNcThis talk is a repost from the archive. It was given in Feb. 2017 at the Climacus Conference in Louisville Kentucky. The original audio was taken from Ancient Faith Radio: https://www.ancientfaith.com/-------------------------------GodsDog: Monk is now officially in stock! You can also get volumes 1 and 2 on sale during October! Visit: https://godsdog.com/-------------------------------Timestamps:00:00 – The world is made of stories01:23 – How the invisible holds the visible together03:49 – What makes something a story?06:15 – Ad starts: God's Dog 307:10 – Ad ends: The universal pattern of stories09:01 – How biblical stories hold the world together10:37 – Moses and the pattern of the Tabernacle13:13 – Christ as the Tabernacle encompassing the universe15:22 – Patterns within patterns18:03 – How the Old Testament points to Christ19:50 – Cain and Abel as patterns of Christ22:13 – The Eucharist reconciles opposing sacrifices24:35 – Christ as the fulfilment of all stories25:47 – The universal pattern of descent into the underworld28:08 – Why similar myths don't disprove Christianity30:33 – The Harrowing of Hades32:50 – How Christ transforms the ancient pattern35:29 – Seeing ancient myths through Christ36:17 – How we encounter God in stories37:51 – The danger of reducing Christ to our preferences38:46 – Letting go of our limited image of Christ40:13 – Encountering divine truth in unexpected places🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website, blog, courses: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com📚 Store: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/
485 - Why Modernity Loves Prometheus
2026/10/08
In this video, I look at the story of Prometheus and why our modern admiration for him leaves out an important part of the myth. I explore his connection to Cain, Lucifer, technology, and the recurring temptation to grasp power as if it were our own.
YouTube version: https://youtu.be/zvM1RkJ_D1EGodsDog: Monk is now officially in stock! You can also get volumes 1 and 2 on sale during October! Visit: https://godsdog.com/🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website, blog, courses: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com📚 Store: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/
484 - The Saint Who Killed an Emperor
2026/10/01
In this episode, I look at the tradition of St. Mercurius: a warrior saint associated with St. Michael, the death of Emperor Julian the Apostate, and dog-headed men.
YouTube version: https://youtu.be/_Qp3Xj153Ac
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483 - R.R. Reno - The Return of the Strong Gods
2026/09/22
I talk with Rusty Reno about the collapse of the postwar “open society” ideal and the return of people’s need for strong loyalties, meaning, and transcendence. We discuss how we got here after the world wars decimated Western civilization: emergent post-war social narratives and identities like nationalism, globalism, politics, “progress”, environmentalism, and transhumanism. Finally we discuss the crisis of masculinity and our ultimate hope in Christ.
Rusty Reno is the editor of First Things, a journal aimed at "advancing a religiously informed public philosophy for the ordering of society". He is the editor of the Brazos Theological Commentary on Scripture series and the author of several books, most recently Return of the Strong Gods: Nationalism, Populism and the Future of the West. For twenty years Reno taught theology at Creighton University.
YouTube version of this interview: https://youtu.be/NwTYsZfU2ak
Rusty’s book, Return of the Strong Gods: https://www.amazon.com/Return-Strong-Gods-Nationalism-Populism/dp/1621578003
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482 - The Sword of St. Michael
2026/09/18
Why is St. Michael often shown holding a flaming sword? I look at how this image developed, its connection to the expulsion from Paradise, the defeat of the dragon, and the emergent sacred geography known as the Sword of St. Michael.
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481 - Dr. Diana Pasulka - The New Religion
2026/09/16
I finally sit down with Diana Pasulka to talk about UFOs, alien intelligence, AI, psychedelics, transhumanism, and the strange religious framework forming around all of them. We look at how these phenomena overlap with older spiritual categories, and why the promise of technological transcendence may be a counterfeit of something Christianity already understands.
YouTube version: https://youtu.be/6TqYxG9gxwc
Her books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/D.W.-Pasulka/author/B07NL6KZN5
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Timestamps:
00:00 – Coming up
01:58 – Introduction
02:52 – How a Religious Studies Scholar Ended Up Studying UFOs
08:52 – UFOs as Religious and Spiritual Phenomena
13:25 – A Demonological History of the World
14:41 – The Mythology and Narrative of UFOs
16:38 – Why Governments Use UFO Disinformation
20:56 – Technology, Magic, and Non-Human Intelligence
24:22 – Aliens, Demons, and the Modern Image of the “Grey”
27:43 – Psychedelics and Encounters With Other Beings
30:19 – AI as an Alien Intelligence
32:02 – UFOs and the Promise of a New Revelation
34:29 – Spielberg and the Alien as Saviour
38:35 – Arthur C. Clarke, Demons, and Childhood’s End
40:50 – Transhumanism vs. Christian Transfiguration
45:42 – God’s Dog: Monk
46:42 – Aliens as Our Future, “Evolved” Selves
49:06 – How the Alien Narrative Collides With Christianity
52:36 – Project Stargate, Remote Viewing, and Psychic Espionage
56:18 – Why Is the AI Project Also Called “Stargate”?
57:30 – 2001: A Space Odyssey, AI, and UFO Disclosure
01:01:29 – AI Is Feeding on Us
01:03:00 – How Should Christians Respond?
01:06:26 – AI Cannot Give Us Transcendence
01:08:42 – Recovering the Spiritual Senses
01:10:39 – Isolation Makes Us Vulnerable to Propaganda
01:11:39 – Diana’s Next Book on Christianity
01:13:00 – The Noosphere, the Singularity, and an Apocalyptic Moment
01:17:06 – Christianity Makes Us More Human
01:18:20 – Conclusion
480 - Dr. Zac Porcu - The Pagan Gods Really Exist
2026/09/10
Dr. Zac Porcu joins me to discuss his upcoming course on the demonological history of the world, looking at the pagan gods, fallen angels, magic, and technology. We explore what happens when you take seriously the early Christian claim that the gods were real, but fallen.
YouTube version: https://youtu.be/WMKOzuhnib4
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479 - The Horror of Getting What You Want - Obsession (2026)
2026/09/08
This was July 2026's patron video that we decided to make public. If you want to support us and get extra symbolism videos, subscribe a a paying member to The Symbolic World: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribeIn this video, I analyzed the movie Obsession, which was released in May of this year. It had a low budget and was directed by a YouTuber, yet became a massive breakout box office and critical success.
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478 - Christian Roy - Technological Madness: The Logic of Domination
2026/09/04
Christian Roy and I discuss Jacques Ellul’s theology of technique (technology) and the way modern systems turn power, efficiency, and mediation into ends in themselves. AI brings this crisis into focus, especially in our speech and relationships, but the deeper question is whether technology still serves a meaningful purpose —or whether we have begun to serve it. We also explore the Christian idea of non-power as a way beyond the logic of domination.
YouTube version: https://youtu.be/HH_vCnVDTdo
Christian’s book: Theology and Technique: https://www.amazon.ca/Theology-Technique-Jacques-Ellul/dp/1725259788
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477 - Louise Perry - How Progressivism Took Over Our Stories
2026/09/02
Louise Perry is a British journalist, author, and host of the Maiden Mother Matriarch Podcast. She’s a columnist for the Wall Street Journal and has been described as a leading reactionary feminist. She interviewed me for us to discuss why progressivism became such a powerful cultural force, how the postwar story shaped modern politics and storytelling, and why fairy tales still preserve patterns that our culture has tried to flatten or subvert.
YouTube version: https://youtu.be/HVRY6WP4hFA
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Summerhills$ 2026/05/28
Sadly
Once a show that seemed to bring a beauty to the world and now it is laying a red carpet out for a prideful heart —and a slithering hatred. It breaks ...
Glory1212 2026/03/06
Knowledge. Seeking Knowledge.
I will admit at times this show is out of my lane, but when we are exploring scripture, Mr Pageau fills in the color where previous teachings have lef...
sheepDog part Wolf 2026/03/01
Occultism wrapped in a thin veneer of Scripture.
Your very well read sir and have an impressive amount of knowledge in your head. Your ability to articulate your thoughts is also admirable.
But your ...
Sy1096 2025/10/01
Religious posing as intellectual
Culturally narrow-minded, driven by one-sided belief without openness to other points of view, uninformed.
TristanGp 2025/05/03
Pre-Modern Understanding of Life
Jonathan Pageau probably does more for the symbolic, anti-enlightenment movement in the popular mind than anyone else? He’s super interesting, well-sp...
Joe, Master-reviewer 2025/04/02
Terrific pod
The criticisms about him being associated with Peterson are ridiculous. Peterson has done more for Christian evangelism than most Christians ironicall...
Soren Victoria 2024/11/21
Phenomenal Delve into the Deep
Very thoughtfully made podcast about spirituality (Orthodox Christian), theology, pop culture, history, stories (folklore, fairytales), and of course ...
smelson 2024/11/02
No more commercials
I’ve been a long time listener but all the sudden there are ads throughout the episodes, and randomly so. I find myself trying to understand the symbo...
Nap0Ie0n 2024/08/09
Male Boxer
While trying to hold himself up as unbiased and openminded there is a distinct point of view the podcast. Jonathan refers to the male boxer as “she” ...
Loustarthrower 2024/08/01
Grateful to have found this
“Inversion and mocking is empty and it will run out and the true seed that are true and good and beautiful will win in the end but it’s up to us to fo...
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