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Joel Hubbard and Jim ZartmanExplicit
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Date created
2018/06/27
Latest episode
2026/10/20
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53 min.
Release period
20 days
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The Art of Growth started by Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman works with teams to develop Team Health and individuals for self-mastery and social awareness. We are an IEA (International Enneagram Association) school for Enneagram Certification. With organizations, we have a detailed roadmap to change the culture of your team and improve communication, conflict, trust, and personality
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Revisit- Beatrice Chestnut- Instincts 2019
2026/10/20
"The Art of Growth" is an organization that does coaching, corporate training, and this podcast. Check out our work and keep in touch at www.theartofgrowth.org to find out more about our work and our upcoming online test.
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This Episode Features Beatrice Chestnut!
One of the most authoritative voices and thought leaders in the modern Enneagram movement, Beatrice Chestnut has been studying and working with the enneagram for 27 years, since she learned about the system from pioneering Enneagram expert, David Daniels, MD.
A licensed psychotherapist, a coach, and a business consultant, she has a Phd in communication and an MA in clinical psychology.
She became active in the international Enneagram community through attending annual conferences regularly in 2002. She served on the board of directors of the International Enneagram Association (IEA) for 6 years and was president of the IEA in 2006 and 2007.
Beatrice is the author of two books, The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Awareness, and The 9 Types of Leadership: Mastering the Art of People in the 21st-Century Workplace.
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Healing the Instincts
2026/09/08
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What Everyone Gets Wrong About the Instincts
2026/09/01
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Enneagram at Work with Megan from A Field Middleburg
2026/08/25
In this episode of Enneagram at Work, Joel and Jim talk with Megan Burton, owner-partner of A Field Middleburg, about how understanding her Enneagram type and instinctual stack has shaped the way she leads and builds a business.
Megan shares how identifying as a Type 8 with a Hunter-Farmer-Teamer stack helped her better understand her intensity, need for autonomy, leadership style, and the kinds of people she needs around her as the company grows. The conversation also explores communication with employees, working alongside a Type One business partner, recognizing what is underneath our reactions at work, and building a company around people’s natural strengths.
They also get into Megan’s philosophy around clothing, identity, sustainability, and buying fewer, better things.
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https://shopafield.com/
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Enneagram at Work with Halie from Wellspring Counseling
2026/08/18
In this episode of Enneagram at Work, Joel and Jim talk with Halie Howells, owner of Wellspring Center for Counseling, about how the Enneagram has shaped her growth as both a therapist and a business leader. Halie leads a growing counseling practice with more than 30 therapists across multiple locations.
As an Enneagram 2, Halie shares the challenge of moving from being everyone's helper and cheerleader to actually taking up the role of boss—setting clear expectations, having difficult conversations, and learning that caring for people doesn't mean doing everything for them.
The conversation explores how self-awareness has helped Halie personalize the way she leads different people, build a healthier team culture, receive difficult feedback, and recognize when her own patterns could become a bottleneck for the business. She also talks about why growth has to begin with the leader: as we become more aware of ourselves, we create more room for the people around us to bring their own strengths to the table.
Learn more about Halie and Wellspring Center for Counseling:
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Enneagram at Work- with Shawn Cook of Advocate Wealth Management
2026/08/12
In the first episode of our Enneagram at Work series, we talk with Shawn Cook of Advocate Wealth Management about how he uses the Enneagram with clients—including how understanding a client’s instinctual stack can help inform an investment strategy that fits the way they naturally approach security, resources, risk, and relationships.
About Shawn Cook
Shawn is the Owner and Wealth Advisor at Advocate Wealth Management, where he helps clients build comprehensive financial plans and investment portfolios.
Learn more or connect with Shawn:
https://www.advocatewm.com
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The Truth Has No Gurus
2026/08/04
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The Instincts- How we got here and where we're going.
2026/07/07
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Tricia, Pam, Katie- Coach Pod
2026/06/30
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Lila, Tamra, Barbara- Coach Pod
2026/06/23
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Laura, Chrissy, Hillary- Coach Pod
2026/06/16
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How Personality Forms
2026/06/09
What if everything you believe about why you are the way you are is only half the story? In this episode, Joel and Jim take on the most common explanation people give for their own personality: I am this way because of what happened to me. It is not wrong, they argue. It is incomplete. Personality forms from a mix of what you were born with, the environment you interacted with, and what you keep building in response.
From there the conversation opens up into why so much growth work quietly fails, the difference between healing and unwounding, and why your wounds may be the very crack the light shines through. Along the way they get into spiritual bypassing, the journey as a pilgrimage rather than a destination, and what it actually takes to find your North Star. It is an honest, hopeful look at the idea that the worst of you is temporary, the best of you is permanent, and that disruption is less a verdict than an invitation.
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Function, Overuse, and Integration of the Three Centers
2026/06/02
Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman explore the Enneagram’s three centers of intelligence: Head, Heart, and Body. They discuss the function of each center, what happens when it is overused, what it costs us when it is missing, and what becomes possible through integration. Head thinks. Heart connects. Body acts.
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Rethinking the Enneagram from the Ground Up
2026/05/26
In this episode, Jim and Joel return after a break to explain the deeper work happening behind the scenes at The Art of Growth. They revisit the foundations of the Enneagram, clarifying what they mean by “type” through three key components: core motivation, schema, and expression.
They also introduce a major shift in their current work: moving beyond the idea of nine types with separate instinctual subtypes and toward a more integrated model of 54 types, where each Enneagram type is inseparable from its instinctual stack. Along the way, they discuss why some older Enneagram descriptions no longer hold up, how thousands of typing interviews have shaped their thinking, and why the model itself should keep growing through observation, self-reporting, and real human experience.
Find out more about The Art of Growth
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Type 7 Panel- Relating to the Three Centers
2026/01/13
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akhath 2026/05/29
The BEST Enneagram podcast
I’ve been listening to the AOG podcast for several years. I go back to some of the episodes again and again, and I often recommend it to others. They ...
Adam_Jordan 2025/12/06
Great Content
Excellent episodes with no fluff - really love all the panels of the different enneagram types. Thanks for what you guys do, just purchased your boo...
moralesgcg 2025/05/29
Best Enneagram Podcast
This is the best enneagram podcast that I’ve heard and that one I keep coming back to!! And I appreciate continuing to bring in more and more female v...
WhitRyKrieZeKai1718 2024/10/11
Uncommon Type 8
I love getting to hear type 8’s and how they move through the world. I also am a female 8 and can relate to a lot of what is discussed… however I am a...
Thelinster 2024/07/06
Best 5 info I’ve ever heard
The quick (16-minute) episode on empathy for type 5 is the most accurate thing I’ve heard about 5s. And the most understanding and compassionate. I li...
Joel and Jim Fan 2024/03/01
Top Pick!
This podcast is always bringing fresh perspective, and I love the way Joel and Jim unpack enneagram wisdom. You won’t want to miss the emails either, ...
Eden + Main 2023/07/31
So grateful!
Thank you Art of Growth team for your willingness to bring awareness to people through the enneagram. I’m a sexual 4 and I’m so thankful to all 4’s f...
Alliehope18 2023/07/24
Fantastic
I love this podcast! Definitely one of the best enneagram podcasts out there.
Healing childhood 2022/09/01
Type 9 here
I think this is my favorite enneagram podcast out of the 15 I’ve found!!
abasjewel 2022/04/22
Fantastic resource for growth!
I love these podcasts! Joel and Jim are a gift. Their insight is both helpful and kind. What stands out—to me—is that they let each person have a voic...
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