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Ryan Gerard hates losing more than he likes winning — and he'll tell you that's a feature, not a bug. Or, as he said to his caddy, JP, recently: “Just, Let Me Be Mad.” In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co‑host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. “The Professor”) sit down with Ryan Gerard (PGA Tour professional) to trace how a public course in Raleigh with no standing tee times built one of the tour's most interesting, unfiltered, and fierce competitors. Off a PGA Tour season with back-to-back runner-up finishes and a third at East Lake, Gerard is candid about what actually drives him, what he'd change about American golf, and how he keeps his head on straight when it isn't going his way. The conversation dives into: Why beating a friend seven straight times in a putting contest still wasn't enough — and how being the youngest, smallest kid at Wildwood Green built a competitor who "hates losing more than he likes winning"The pitch for a lighted, low-cost par-3 "kids course" in every major North American city, sparked by a course he stumbled onto in Gullane, ScotlandTed Scott's line about the best golf happening when expectations and reality line up — and how that explains the jump from irrational confidence to unconditional and real contentionWhy his coach will always protect his self-described “graffiti on a rail car” swing instead of popular wholesale changes or overly smoothing things out“Let me be mad”: the 20-second anger reset strategy we caught from Chasing Sunday, and why he thinks frustration is not a negative but one of his superpowersConnect with our guest ⛳ Ryan Gerard — https://www.pgatour.com/player/59018/ryan-gerard — 🐦 X/Twitter: [https://x.com/golfgerard | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/golfgerard/ Community & Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Web: https://thebagdrop.fm/ Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ 🗣️Contribute to the show! — 📧 email: [email protected] Chapters 0:00:00 The cold open: hating losing more than loving winning 0:00:55 Welcome to the Bag Drop 0:01:10 Did the Professor win his match at St. Andrews? 0:02:26 How St. Andrews club hosting actually works 0:07:40 Matt's marathon relay confession (and getting kicked off a muni) 0:11:03 Booking Ryan Gerard: the anti-homogenized golfer 0:11:47 Professor's Teaching: North Berwick, the oldest surviving course 0:13:46 Ad Read: Titleist Vokey SM11 wedges 0:15:30 Ryan Gerard joins the show 0:15:52 The Atlanta airport run-in with the Professor 0:17:42 The Scottish Open walk-and-talk that started it all 0:18:58 The Gullane kids course and golf's barrier to entry 0:22:23 Bringing Park Grind's lighted par-3 model stateside 0:23:21 Growing up at Wildwood: free reign of a public course 0:28:35 No standing tee times, unlimited junior golf 0:32:00 The pitch: a lighted par-3 course in every metro city 0:34:43 Violin, chess, and badminton club president 0:39:30 Where the competitive gene actually comes from 0:40:27 "I hate losing more than I like winning" 0:44:23 Ted Scott's rule: expectations meeting reality 0:48:15 Small gains, not a swing overhaul 0:54:05 The Mona Lisa and the graffiti on a rail car 0:55:31 Stealing Matt Wolff's bunker shot 1:08:19 "Let me be mad": the mental reset from Chasing Sunday 1:14:22 The Presidents Cup snub and process vs. outcome goals 1:20:34 Is competitive golf actually fun? 1:24:28 Takeaways and the upcoming deep dive series What is NewClub? The premier private golf society in the United States. NewClub blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions, and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, plus signature trips and exclusive perks. What is The Bag Drop? Deeply researched audio documentaries that tell the definitive stories behind golf's greatest clubs + weekly conversations with the characters and communities shaping golf today.

Fittingly, we recorded our shortest episode ever to explain why the next ones will be much longer! Eight years in, The Bag Drop is biting off something new: fewer releases, deeper research, and three- to five-hour episodes on a single golf club’s history, strategy, and story. Matt and the Professor explain why the most fascinating untold stories in golf live at the club level, the question they brought home from Northern Ireland together at twenty and haven't shaken since, and the five rules they have set to do it faithfully. (PS. The weekly interviews and conversations are not going anywhere!) The conversation dives into: Why the untold stories in golf live at the club level, and why studying a golf club is really a way of studying peopleA trip around Northern Ireland at twenty, the question "why is this the way it is here?", and the Professor on why one round as a guest never tells you how a club actually worksThe Professor's numbers on the quiet comeback of long-form, and what hours of conversation can do that a two-minute clip can'tAdmiration for Acquired, and a five-hour episode that finally made the model make sense, and permission to go that deepFive rules for the new series!Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Links & Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/633c8703-5880-4522-bd6d-5967b45fc777/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ 🗣️Contribute to the show! — 📧 email: [email protected] Chapters 00:00 Welcome: one of us is practicing, one of us refuses 01:29 Beating balls, and taking the doubt out with Golf Blueprint 02:45 The four-ball partnership is off 03:41 Matt's real golf strength: recruiting 05:00 Professor's facts: long form is quietly coming back 08:01 A return to conversation after a decade of the algorithm 09:05 Ad read: Titleist GTS, unboxed at night and gamed by morning 10:40 The Professor is a seven-wood guy now 11:21 Fixing the top of the bag with a four wood and seven wood combo 12:41 A short episode about going long 14:07 Eight years of The Bag Drop, starting at the Merit Club 16:33 Three years of the Professor, and curiosity on steroids 18:32 The decision: fewer shows, deeper research, three to five hours 20:23 Why clubs: study a club, study the history of people 22:56 Northern Ireland, and why one round as a guest explains nothing 25:01 Not the historians, and why that is the advantage 27:26 Acquired, Costco, and learning through a narrative 28:18 Smart Brevity, and what short form can't do 30:16 A decade of hearing "there's a past here you don't know" 32:40 The rules: no AI list of facts, no embellishment, the pursuit of truth 34:24 Time to get to work What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is making the game more meaningful for those who love it. What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community, and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in‑depth discussions on all things golf.

Nineteen million Americans have tried golf since 2020. About one in four of them stayed. In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co‑host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. “The Professor”) sit down with Matthew Reagan, PGA (co-founder and general manager of Operation 36) to talk about why golf keeps losing the beginners it works so hard to attract — and what changed the day he stopped teaching the swing first and started people 25 yards from the hole. The conversation dives into: The year-four gut punch: a junior program running at 95% retention that still lost forty golfers, and the single thing the kids who stayed all had in commonA year of three-hour nine-hole rounds, a drive to Pinehurst, and the flip that turned into Operation 36 — start at 25 yards, shoot 36, back upWhy the environment around a beginner matters more than the technical ability of the coach, and what that says about how golf picks its heroesThe women who told him they had always wanted to play but had never been given permission to start that close to the greenOpening the app to everyone in 2027 — couch to course, course to coach — and what an app should refuse to pretend it can replaceConnect with our guests ⛳ Matthew Reagan, PGA — co-founder and general manager, Operation 36 — 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-reagan-op36/ 📱 Operation 36 — https://operation36.golf — how it works: https://operation36.golf/how-it-works/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/op36golf — 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/operation_36/ — 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/operation-36-golf — 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/op36golf/ Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Links & Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/633c8703-5880-4522-bd6d-5967b45fc777/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf 🎧 Web: https://thebagdrop.fm/ Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ 🗣️Contribute to the show! — 📧 email: [email protected] Chapters 00:00 Cold open: the moment Operation 36 got its name 00:52 Welcome, and a fall morning in Athens 01:20 Ten kids under eight: not rested, but refreshed 03:35 Unplugging, the Slack away message, and the phone-off experiment 06:45 New York, Mumford and Sons, and whether you could live there 08:37 Today's guest: Matthew Reagan and Operation 36 10:10 What Op36 did to Athens Country Club 11:19 Scotland as the barometer: beginners go straight to the course 12:00 Professor's teaching: sampling versus early specialization 15:13 Ad read: Titleist AIM Enhanced and seeing the ball go in 17:18 Matthew joins The Bag Drop 18:16 Sixteen, upstate New York, and a course you could play for free 20:25 Campbell, Ryan Dailey, and deciding to coach 21:46 What actually turned him into a golfer, and it was not technique 25:28 Gamification, variability, and why golf hooks you 28:58 Three juniors at Keith Hills, and a program that grew to eighty 30:01 Ten levels, bag tags, and making a three-footer fun for an hour 32:19 Year four: forty golfers do not come back 33:59 North Carolina Long Term Athlete Development LLC 34:43 The one thing the kids who stayed had in common 36:09 A year of three-hour nine-hole rounds 38:08 The drive to Pinehurst, and the flip that became Operation 36 40:08 Teaching calculus to a seventh grader 42:01 Narrative, and the data nobody else in golf has 44:16 One in four: this is not a junior golf story anymore 45:42 Bootstrapping, licensing, and taking the junior out of the brand 49:15 Shrinking the variables until clarity becomes motivation 51:06 Competence, relatedness, autonomy 52:40 The women who never had permission to start close 55:33 The cultural headwind: America starts on the range 57:05 Aligning a club top to bottom, and Op36 at St Andrews 1:02:41 The ego of the young coach, and a $400-a-month membership 1:05:25 A gymnastics gym on every corner, and not a golf program 1:08:55 What a club needs before this works 1:12:23 If a recession comes, which programs survive 1:15:46 Opening the app in 2027: couch to course, course to coach 1:18:22 Golf Genius, and learning to run an engineering team 1:24:56 One thing you can do to make somebody's first nine better 1:31:07 Close: reviews, Titleist AIM Enhanced, and thanks What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is revolutionizing golf membership, making the game more meaningful for those who love it. What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop...

Jim Hartsell will tell you the best golf course in the world is 4,800 yards and a par 66. He is not being cute about it. He would like you to come after him. In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co‑host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. “The Professor”) sit down with Jim Hartsell — architect, three-time Bag Drop guest, and author of A Round of Scottish Courses — for a conversation about what thirty years of returning to the same small Scottish clubs teaches you about why golf places matter, and what a golfer owes a place once he starts telling everyone about it. The conversation dives into: Why Dunaverty — 4,800 yards, par 66 — is his answer to "best course in the world," and why he thinks the question is usually asked wrongWhat choosing eighteen favorites instead of eighteen best freed him to write — and how a chapter actually gets built, including the sheepdog trials that unlocked a lost course on ArranThe night the Old Course put a flag on the 18th green made from a drawing his nine-year-old son had left on his laptopThe green-fee trap: why North Berwick and Brora keep going up, and why tour operators refuse to take a £30 course seriouslyWhether writing about Dunaverty, Askernish and Isle of Harris is quietly changing them — and what the members themselves say about thatThree rules for being a good guest at a Scottish club, including the one about tipping too muchConnect with our guests 📚 Jim Hartsell — https://jhartsellgolf.com — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/JimHHartsell](https://x.com/JimHHartsell) | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimhartsell/ 📕 A Round of Scottish Courses (Back Nine Press) — https://back9press.com/products/a-round-of-scottish-courses 🎧 The Duffer's Literary Companion (Jim & Stephen Proctor) — https://tdlcpodcast.podbean.com Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Links & Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/633c8703-5880-4522-bd6d-5967b45fc777/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ 🗣️Contribute to the show! — 📧 email: [email protected] Chapters 00:00 Cold open: the anticipation is half the fun 00:41 Welcome, and the Professor's new office 02:16 A love letter to the game: who your club introduces you to 03:01 Caddie School for Soldiers and thirty days at the Home of Golf 04:31 Jim Hartsell, third appearance, third book 06:34 Professor's teaching: quiet eye and gaze duration 11:29 Ad read: Titleist T-Series and the three Ds 13:52 Three books, one thread 15:09 The course gets you in the room; a person carries the story 16:32 The high school English teacher who started all this 19:31 Calling Rob Collins with a crazy idea 23:29 Fifty interviews, an outline, and meeting Jim Sitar 26:40 The books that made him: Wind, Bamberger, Morton, MacVicar 31:18 When Revelation Comes, and the notebook that read like a book 35:25 Patric Dickinson's eighteen best, and Jim's eighteen favorite 38:53 Dunaverty is the best course in the world: 4,800 yards, par 66 42:07 Soup, clubhouses, and the whole lived experience 45:40 Sheepdog trials, and when history earns its place in a chapter 49:56 What do you have against the Scottish east coast? 51:44 Frankfurt, a lost day, and a morning inside the R&A 54:33 Dark hours on the Old with a persimmon driver 56:52 The flag on the eighteenth green 1:00:35 Why the most famous place in golf did not have to do that 1:02:21 Does writing about these places change them? 1:06:40 North Berwick, Brora, and being too cheap to be taken seriously 1:07:46 Would the veneer wear off if you moved there? 1:12:14 Three rules for being a good guest (and don't over-tip) 1:14:41 Calendars, course guides, and Jordan's junior program 1:19:27 Close: subscribe, review, and the Titleist T-Series

What happens when a guy with a Wall Street background decides he’d rather make putters than climb the corporate ladder? For Al Vikmanis, the answer has been a winding path through Arccos, data analytics, custom putter design, metal 3D printing, ferrules, and whatever comes next. The common thread is a willingness to follow the rabbit hole wherever it leads, and a belief that the journey itself is the point. In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co‑host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. “The Professor”) sit down with Al Vikmanis, Founder of 3DP Design to talk about the science and craft behind modern golf equipment, from why MOI matters in a putter to how sound actually becomes feel, why 3D printing opens up design possibilities traditional manufacturing can't, and why a ferrule can become a surprisingly personal piece of golf gear. Along the way, he gets candid about leaving Wall Street, embracing work that feels meaningful, learning from spectacular failures, and building a career around curiosity rather than a five-year plan. The conversation dives into: Al's early days at Arccos, helping turn enormous amounts of shot data into something golfers could actually useMOI explained without the engineering degree, including why more forgiveness isn't automatically better for every golferHow sound becomes feel in a putter, and why putting with headphones on might be costing you more than you realizeThe unlikely path from smuggling putters into a Wall Street office to teaching himself CAD and eventually 3D printing golf clubsWhy custom ferrules have become a form of personal expression, more like putting stickers on a skateboard than simply changing the cosmetics of a golf clubThe failures behind Al's work, including a collection of enormous 3D-printed mallets that looked like the Starship Enterprise and sounded like tuning forksConnect with our guests Al Vikmanis —  💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/al-vikmanis-3755671/🌍 Website: https://3dp-design.com/📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/3dp_design/ 👍 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100083121141361# Follow The Bag Drop 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebagdrop 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/thebagdropgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBagDropGolf Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Support our Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ Chapters 00:40 - Welcome to The Bag Drop11:08 - Al Vikmanis joins the show12:12 - From Arccos data to custom putter design18:51 - What Al learned from working at an early-stage startup21:03 - Leaving Wall Street and finding meaningful work24:21 - MOI explained30:33 - Why sound is feel34:11 - How Al got into making putters37:44 - Why custom 3D-printed equipment doesn't scale41:20 - How metal 3D printing actually works43:32 - Where 3D printing fits into the future of golf equipment47:20 - The early failures of 3D-printed putters51:08 - Learning from bad ideas54:09 - How Al and Patrick Boyd started working together56:52 - Why golfers love custom ferrules59:24 - Ball markers, divot tools, and personal expression1:02:21 - The creative side of Al Vikmanis1:10:53 - What's in Al's golf bag1:18:12 - What comes next for golf equipment1:20:12 - “The journey is the point” What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in‑depth discussions on all things golf. What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is revolutionizing golf membership, making the game more meaningful for those who love it.

What does a piece of land owe the people around it once the golf stops paying for itself? In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co‑host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. “The Professor”) sit down with Blake Conant (golf course architect; co-designer of Old Barnwell and the Gilroy) to talk about the second course he is building in the dirt right now — and the master's thesis he wrote a decade earlier arguing that some golf courses should stop being golf courses. The conversation dives into: Why a painting degree and three months running equipment with Tom Doak at Dismal River turned out to be the right education for golf architectureBuilding the Gilroy next door to a course everybody already loves, and the Snoop Dogg rule Blake uses to keep from chasing itThe 90-acre parcel Nick Schreiber bought so the routing would work, and why Blake says architects are simply greedyA kids course with a tunnel and a ramp, built on Brian Schneider's premise that kids do not actually want to puttThe 2013 thesis on bankrupt courses: what Blake got right about supply, what he missed about demand, and why the courses that closed were the wrong onesThe arithmetic that decides whether affordable public golf gets built at all — roughly ten dollars of green fee for every million spentConnect with our guest 🎨 Blake Conant — https://www.dundeegolf.com/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/Dundee_Golf — | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dundeegolf/ | 💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/blake-conant-90566a37/ ⛳️ Old Barnwell — https://oldbarnwell.com Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Links & Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/633c8703-5880-4522-bd6d-5967b45fc777/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ 🗣️Contribute to the show! — 📧 email: [email protected] Chapters 00:00 "Make sure your first one is your worst one" 00:49 Welcome, and kudos to the R&A for actually enforcing the rules 04:19 Who Blake Conant is, and how the Professor found him 07:45 Teaching of the week: "Build a Course Today" and the overbuild 09:30 Titleist Vokey SM11 11:11 Conant, Conant, or Conan the Barbarian 12:18 House paint, big canvases, and actually selling art 14:44 Art school to landscape architecture to Dismal River 17:42 The doubts he probably should have had 19:20 Following Old Barnwell: the Snoop Dogg rule 20:53 Was a second course always the plan? 23:12 Nick Schreiber, and hiring people you then leave alone 27:19 The kids course: they don't actually want to putt 29:56 Tunnels, ramps, and a train that isn't there yet 30:37 Who the Gilroy is for, and greens that sit on the ground 33:11 Still testing the good player, just differently 34:41 Buying the purple parcel 37:09 Buy the land before anybody knows you're building 38:59 The 2013 thesis on bankrupt golf courses 41:58 What are we measuring: social, environmental, economic 47:39 The wrong courses closed 48:58 Repurposing, HOAs, and grand ideas that don't pencil 51:05 Should a new project pass the test before opening day? 52:49 Golf as a Trojan horse: programming, foundation, community 55:45 Aiken's building boom and a healthy kind of competition 59:38 The public course he'd like to build without donors 1:03:49 Wrap and thanks What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is revolutionizing golf membership, making the game more meaningful for those who love it. What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in‑depth discussions on all things golf.

Can a golf facility be fun, affordable, and welcoming for the local community while maintaining an elite course and golf experience that attracts committed golfers from around the globe?  Brian Conley knows it can; he sees it every day, and he believes it starts long before any of them hit their first tee shot. As the General Manager of The Park in West Palm Beach, Brian has helped build one of the most celebrated public golf experiences in the country. But this conversation goes well beyond architecture or rankings. It's about creating a place where people feel welcome, where every decision serves a mission, and where golf becomes a vehicle for community rather than exclusivity. In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co‑host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. “The Professor”) sit down with Brian Conley (GM at The Park) to discuss why "fun" became the north star for The Park, what public golf can learn from private clubs (and vice versa), how to think about pricing without compromising accessibility, why walking matters, and whether this model can realistically spread to more cities. If you've ever wondered why certain golf courses become gathering places while others remain just another tee sheet, this one's for you. The conversation dives into: • Why every successful golf project needs a clear "why"• The philosophy behind The Park's "Open Golf" approach• Stripping away unnecessary traditions without losing what makes golf special• The balance between accessibility, sustainability, and premium public golf• Building community through programming, leagues, events, and local ownership• Why walking-first golf creates a better experience for players and operators• Lessons learned from Bobby Jones Golf Course and bringing those ideas to West Palm Beach• Whether The Park is a one-of-one or a blueprint for the future of public golf The Parkhttps://theparkwestpalm.com Follow The Bag Drop 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebagdrop 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/thebagdropgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBagDropGolf Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Support our Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ Chapters 00:00 The why comes first01:07 Back in love with golf: swing video, flow state09:00 Professor's time fact: plants can tell time11:25 Partner break — Titleist AIM golf balls13:13 Brian Conley joins the show15:11 The only non-negotiable: fun16:31 Stripping out the norms — what "open golf" actually means19:19 Coming up in golf, and learning to be different22:42 Why golf is so afraid to test and fail24:26 Pricing without apology: the Mercedes problem27:50 Protecting the locals in a transient, premium market34:42 The recruitment: a 20-minute tour, a January phone call39:20 Does the model travel? Scale vs. replicability46:16 Sustainability, philanthropy, and funding The Path50:41 A 50-year city lease — and a new event teaser52:17 Mission over profit, and living outside the box56:20 Walking-first in the heat: caddies, loops, and the data1:03:35 The Professor's cart confession1:06:16 Serving every kind of golfer at once: culture and people1:07:03 The kid in the tank top and the Augusta member1:13:16 The fake version: how to spot an imposter1:17:59 What keeps him up: culture and getting the word out on The Path1:20:49 The parrot: the story behind the logo What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in‑depth discussions on all things golf. What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions, and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is in the business of belonging, making the game more meaningful for those who love it.

A country that loves a drink almost never drinks on the golf course. That's not temperance — that's the whole story. In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co‑host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. “The Professor”) sit down with Scott Warren (New South Wales Golf Club member and co-host of the Australian Golf Passport podcast) to explore what Americans get right and badly wrong about Australian golf — and why the difference comes down to a single word: competition. The conversation dives into: Golf as a sport, not a pastime: comps 5-6 days a week, markers, no gimmes, and why nobody's drinking on the courseMixed-gender golf that works at the club level — and Scott's critique of the co-ed Australian OpenStableford done properly, technology, and the case for a rollback so a ball bounces againWhat Australian golf actually costs, from Barnbougle to top-tier club fees, vs. the USThe fight to save civic golf in Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide (North Adelaide, Moore Park)Under-credited architects Alex Russell and Mike Clayton, and Greg Norman's cultural weightJunior golf, the eroded pathway to the pro ranks, and the next five years of the Australian Open and LIV AdelaideA Bluey tangent worth staying for: Bandit, and the Custard connectionConnect with our guests 🇦🇺 Australian Golf Passport podcast — https://australiangolfpassport.com/🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/ausgolfpassport📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/australiangolfpassport/ Follow The Bag Drop 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebagdrop 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/thebagdropgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBagDropGolf Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Support our Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com  Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ Chapters 00:00 Introduction: coffee, eating on golf trips, and why men host podcasts 08:22 Partner break: Titleist, New Club fittings, and finally putting the seven wood in the bag 10:02 Scott Warren joins: what Americans actually get right about Australian golf 11:48 The depth question: the 35-40 courses we romanticize vs. the ~450 that exist 13:41 Golf is a sport, not a pastime: why Australians don't drink on the course 16:43 A day at the club: comps 5-6 days a week, markers, no gimmes 19:59 Mixed-gender golf: why it works at the club and why the co-ed Australian Open didn't 28:28 Scale, technology and the case for a rollback; a persimmon what-if 29:38 Stableford done right — and Scott's issue with the American version 34:20 Playing from the wrong fairway: Tiger at Firestone, Greg Norman over the oak 38:20 Norman's cultural weight; Aaron Baddeley and the ones who nearly made it 44:15 Junior golf, pennant, and the pathway to the pro ranks that's eroded 53:36 The next five years of Australian pro golf: LIV Adelaide, the Open, the money 1:01:28 Civic golf under fire: North Adelaide, Moore Park, and who these fights really hit 1:07:31 What an Australian club membership actually costs vs. the US 1:15:39 Bluey, Bandit, and the Custard connection 1:19:09 Getting in: waitlists, proposers, and the quiet power of a members' list 1:23:24 The origin of the Australian Golf Passport, and golf media that won't just say everything's great 1:33:17 Under-credited architects: Alex Russell and Mike Clayton vs. the McKenzie romance 1:39:25 Barnbougle, King Island and Seven Mile: destination golf that's still affordable 1:43:01 Spiders, snakes, and selling the family on Australia What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in‑depth discussions on all things golf. What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is revolutionizing golf membership, making the game more meaningful for those who love it.

For fifteen years, Dave Zinkand's name never made it onto the scorecard. He was the guy in the field for Bill Coore and Ben Crenshaw — Bandon Trails, Bandon Preserve, WeKoPa— learning to be an editor of his own work. Now the decisions land on his desk, and his name is the one members attach to the outcome. In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, Dave Zinkand of Zinkand Golf Design joins host Matt Considine and co-host Dr. Kevin Moore (aka "The Professor") to talk about what actually changes when you step to the front of the room — and why the entire craft might come down to a single word a stranger handed him at Port Marnock: angles. The conversation dives into: Restoration vs. renovation, and the "sympathetic renovation" middle ground — including Old Elm, where Harry Colt designed a course he never saw, Donald Ross took liberties in his absence, and Dave's team finally built Colt's torn-edge bunkers for the first time, a century later.Reversible golf at Medinah Country Club: a nine-hole, par-31 course routed through a floodplain with two double greens — and the rare owner (Bill Cosgrove) who greenlit the fun idea first, before the "serious" work. Saddle & Cycle Club: three acres of golf inside a Chicago social club, and the case for sub-three-hour experiences as the missing rung on the ladder that brings people into the game.Naturalized bunkering, native areas, and the honest maintenance math behind the rugged look — plus why a great superintendent's buy-in matters as much as the drawing.Connect with our guest Dave Zinkand — Zinkand Golf Design: https://zinkandgolfdesign.com/📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zinkandgolfdesign/💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-zinkand-a689a64/ Follow The Bag Drop 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebagdrop 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/thebagdropgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBagDropGolf Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Support our Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ Chapters 02:14 Introducing Dave Zinkand 04:38 The Professor's fact of the day: the octopus07:35 Partner break — Titleist GTS drivers and MOI09:02 From the field for Coore & Crenshaw to your own name on the door13:40 Editing your own work, and being open to your team's ideas15:11 Strategy and playability: the one word is "angles"18:59 The Dreer Award — Hoylake, Rye, and learning the links22:41 Firm vs. soft: designing angles for wet Ohio Junes27:03 The superintendent relationship and earning buy-in30:13 Rugged, naturalized bunkering and the maintenance trade-offs35:37 Restoration vs. renovation, and "sympathetic renovation"40:20 Old Elm: Harry Colt's intent, Ross's liberties, and bunkers built at last44:17 Saddle & Cycle: three acres of golf in the city49:50 Short courses, the "ladder of learning," and sub-three-hour golf54:37 Reversible golf and the Medina par-311:05:02 What's different when you route a course to play both ways1:08:28 The best reversible not named the Old Course: Doak's Loop1:12:36 One habit that travels everywhere — and the Irishman's word: balance What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in‑depth discussions on all things golf. What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is revolutionizing golf membership, making the game more meaningful for those who love it.

Everyone tells you golf is an individual game. Zach Healy and Jack Larkin Jr. are quietly proving how much better it gets when it isn't. The two former University of Georgia golfers — roommates for all five years, four-ball partners ever since — join Matt and The Professor to talk about the format that's given them a second golf life: USGA Four-Ball. They've made a habit of tearing up the amateur scene, and this year they finished T2 in stroke play and came a single shot shy of the championship's single-round record with a 63. What the conversation dives into: Why the best four-ball teams aren't the perfect ones — and how one early bogey stopped matteringThe 63 in the Arizona desert: six birdies in the first eight holes, cocktails in hand, trading who could one-up the otherThe unglamorous re-navigation back into competitive golf after college, and why you have to be willing to shoot 80 in a qualifier to get sharp againGetting smarter as you get older: swapping a 15-year putter for a "spaceship," and checking the ego at the doorGamesmanship inside the ropes — walking fast, talking a lot, and where the line actually isJack Larkin Sr., the family blueprint for playing high-level golf at 65, and who wins when three Larkins tee it upConnect with our guests Zach Healy — 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/z_jhealy | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachary-healy/ Jack Larkin —  📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jlarkin_uga | 💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-larkin-b738a4126/ Follow The Bag Drop 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebagdrop 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/thebagdropgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBagDropGolf Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Support our Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ Chapters:00:00 One season, one complaint — doormen, summer, and the Midwest golf report05:30 Meet Zach & Jack: how the Professor first crossed paths with the Georgia team06:08 The Professor's teach: which clubs have hosted the U.S. Amateur most09:16 Partner spotlight: Titleist, the GTS, and matching your ball10:41 How do you actually qualify for the USGA Four-Ball?12:35 Why the best teams aren't perfect13:31 Steady Eddie vs. the EKG machine: how partners complement each other17:00 The 63: six birdies in eight holes and a run at the record19:45 Birdie juice — transfusions, screwdrivers, and desert superstitions22:49 How they met, and five years as roommates25:19 Walking into UGA and realizing you're not the best guy anymore30:32 What makes a great teammate34:29 Zach's shot at pro golf, and the pay-phone moment he hung it up39:44 Jack the working man, and the hard road back to competitive golf45:00 Getting smarter with age: efficiency, ego, and the spaceship putter52:24 Jack Larkin Sr. and the family blueprint for golf longevity56:08 Course selection, home-site traps, and football-weekend regrets1:01:00 Match play, momentum, and a two-down-with-two-to-go comeback1:04:30 Gamesmanship: walk fast, talk a lot, never cross the line1:09:00 Why team golf makes the whole thing more fun What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in‑depth discussions on all things golf. What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is revolutionizing golf membership, making the game more meaningful for those who love it.

What does it actually take to write someone else's story in their own voice? In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co‑host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. “The Professor”) sit down with New Club Chicago's 2026 captain (and reigning club champ) Zander Nethercutt to trace an unlikely path: a 2017 essay about the Apple Store, a Facebook message six years later, and three years of near-daily phone calls that turned into Shop Different: How Retail Revealed Apple's Genius — the book he ghostwrote with Apple Store founder Ron Johnson. It's a conversation about writing as thinking, the discipline of changing your mind, and why the best clubs (and the best stores) are built around people, not product. The conversation dives into: What a rainy monthly medal at Oak Brook tells you everything about a club: consistency, ritual, and showing up for guys you actually care aboutHow Zander beat Ron Johnson in their first round together — and why that round became a bookThe decision to stop writing about Ron and start writing as Ron, and the dinner-party question that flipped the whole projectRon's first memory — and the unconditional love that shaped a careerThe green-vs-blue text myth, and why Zander now thinks his viral take got Apple exactly wrongLaunch, deepen, restore: how the Apple Store was designed from the customer backward, and what golf retail could steal from itConnect with our guest Zander Nethercutt📖 Amazon Book Pre-order: https://bit.ly/4esvV8Q 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zander-nethercutt-0583b683/📝 Substack: https://substack.com/@zander/notes 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zandercutt/| Follow The Bag Drop 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebagdrop 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/thebagdropgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBagDropGolf Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Support our Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Additional Links: ✍️ Zander's 2017 Essay "The Luxury Network": https://zandercutt.com/2017/11/15/the-luxury-network/📖 Preorder "Shop Different: How Retail Revealed Apple's Genius": https://bit.ly/4esvV8Q Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ Chapters 00:00 Introduction 03:11 The Role of Competition in Golf 05:50 Understanding the Role of a Club Captain 08:32 Xander's Journey to Becoming a Writer 11:18 The Impact of Writing on Personal Growth 14:05 The Story Behind 'Shop Different' Book 17:08 Lessons Learned from Ron Johnson 19:47 The Personal Journey of Xander Nethercutt 34:45 The Call to Retail: A Personal Journey 38:48 The Shift: From Writer to Ghostwriter 42:55 Revisiting Perspectives: Apple as a Luxury Brand 47:26 The Evolution of Apple: From Humble Beginnings to Iconic Stores 51:09 The Pressure of Leadership: Balancing Speed and Strategy 56:43 The Role of Action: How Doing Shapes Thinking 01:01:27 The Power of Kindness in Leadership 01:04:59 Cutting Stories: The Art of Editing and Its Impact 01:09:37 Lessons from High Performers 01:16:08 Self-Actualization through Golf 01:21:17 Redefining the Golf Experience 01:27:29 Finding Passion in Golf What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in‑depth discussions on all things golf. What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is revolutionizing golf membership, making the game more meaningful for those who love it.

Every golfer has stood over a putt and guessed. Erik Belgum learned to ask one question instead: where does the water go? In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co‑host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. “The Professor”) sit down with Erik Belgum —  a design associate with Billy Fuller and Tom Kite, and right now he's elbow-deep in the dirt at Otter Creek in Columbus, Indiana — a Robert Trent Jones original being reimagined into cradle-to-grave golf. He walks Matt and the Professor through the parts of course design nobody romanticizes: the AutoCAD, the budgets, the order of operations, and the moment a green gets approved before it's actually ready. The conversation dives into: How a kid pulling a cobwebbed pull cart in Iowa City ended up self-taught at Atlanta's Bobby Jones muni — on a $300 junior pass, with a five-questions-a-day limit from the pro shopThe church pew that changed his life: ending up in a congregation with two working golf architects, Bob Cupp and Billy FullerThe real story of the Billy Bunker — how a highway shoulder, a McDonald's playground, and Dow Chemical turned into the industry standardThe Cayman ball: the McGregor experiment Jack Nicklaus commissioned to make 5,000 yards play like 7,000, and the 13 dozen Erik inherited from his mentorWhy constraint breeds creativity — bunkerless greens at Setting Down Creek, and slope as strategy at Otter CreekConnect with our guest 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erik-belgum-2a587874/ 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/billyfullergolfdesign/ Follow The Bag Drop 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebagdrop 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/thebagdropgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBagDropGolf Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Support our Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ Chapters 00:00  Cold open: back to loving chipping 00:35  Bermuda vs. bent — reading lies and no margin for error 05:48  Setting up the episode: who Erik is and why now 06:14  Fact of the week: reading before bed and the science of winding down 11:05  Partner: Titleist GTS — what the Professor got fit into 12:24  Erik joins; Otter Creek, Columbus, and the J. Irwin Miller / Cummins story 16:08  Cradle-to-grave golf: the Romp, the Pup, and the championship Otter 19:26  The unromantic side of design: AutoCAD, budgets, order of operations 21:37  Origin story: his dad, Iowa City, and a cobwebbed pull cart 24:24  A $300 junior pass and learning the game at Bobby Jones 25:50  Cart kid, the starter's nightmare tee, and "five questions a day" 26:50  The church mentors: Bob Cupp and Billy Fuller 30:34  Choosing landscape architecture; UGA, fall of 2007 33:00  His own game today: letting go of score, old equipment 35:14  What is a Cayman ball? 43:00  Inheriting 13 dozen Cayman balls from Bob Cupp 40:30  Billy Fuller's agronomy pedigree and his years at Augusta National 46:45  How the Billy Bunker was actually invented 51:38  Lessons learned: the green he approved too soon 56:42  Where does the water go — infrastructure as strategy 59:31  Setting Down Creek and how constraint breeds creativity 01:02:24  Favorite courses: Cuscawilla, Old Barnwell, North Berwick, Sunningdale 01:07:57  What success at Otter Creek looks like in a year What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in‑depth discussions on all things golf. What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is revolutionizing golf membership, making the game more meaningful for those who love it.

What should never change about golf? And what should have been changed years ago? With the U.S. Open at Shinnecock Hills around the corner, Matt and the Professor crack open the Rules of Golf and start drafting their own version of the game. From lost-ball penalties and green-reading books to arm-lock putters, divots, and pace of play, they each pick the rule changes they love, the ones they question, the ones they'd like to see, and the ones they hope survive forever. What starts as a conversation about golf's rulebook quickly becomes something bigger: a debate about fairness, skill, technology, tradition, and what the game is actually trying to reward. What the conversation dives into: Why the 2019 Rules modernization may have been one of the most important pace-of-play initiatives in modern golfThe forgotten experiments with out-of-bounds penalties, including eras when stroke-and-distance didn't existWhether arm-lock putters, oversized grips, and modern equipment have drifted too far from the spirit of the gameThe case for enforcing pace of play as a competitive skill, not just a courtesyWhy "play it as it lies" remains one of golf's most important ideas, even when your ball is sitting in a divotThe original 1744 Rules of Golf, "watery filth," and the strange rulebook debates that shaped the game we play todayFollow The Bag Drop 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebagdrop 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/thebagdropgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBagDropGolf Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Support our Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ Chapters 0:00 - Intro 09:54 - Rule Changes We Love 12:34 - The 14-club limit and respecting the caddie 14:34 - Pace of play, red penalty areas, and 2019's biggest wins 17:21 - Flagsticks, green-reading books, and modern putting 20:28 - Rule Changes We Hate 21:32 - Touching the line of play on the green 22:48 - The case against stroke-and-distance penalties 27:59 - Would "distance only" make golf more fun? 28:20 - Rule Changes We'd Like to See 29:24 - Arm-lock putters, equipment limits, and putting skill 33:29 - Driver heads, shaft length, and equipment regulation 34:33 - Bringing back old rules and enforcing pace of play 40:33 - Rules We'd Never Change 41:15 - Why players should keep each other's score 42:08 - Play it as it lies and the divot debate 45:34 - The original Rules of Golf and playing your own ball 49:08 - Double hits, dropping from the knee, and modern quirks What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in‑depth discussions on all things golf. What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is revolutionizing golf membership, making the game more meaningful for those who love it.

What happens when the thing you’ve built your entire identity around suddenly stops being your job? This week, Matt and The Professor sit down with a friend and former PGA Tour player and Korn Ferry Tour winner, Chris Wilson, for one of the most honest conversations we’ve had about professional golf, pressure, performance, and life after competition. What starts as a conversation about Q-School, Northwestern, and surviving on Tour slowly becomes something much deeper: how the elite performers learn to let go, reinvent themselves, and figure out who they are when the score no longer defines them. Along the way, Chris explains why bad weather can free your golf swing, why “be aggressive” is terrible putting advice, how Tour players spiral after missed cuts, and why the best skill he carried from golf into finance had nothing to do with golf at all. What the conversation dives into:  Why miserable weather sometimes produces the best golf  The hidden psychological pressure of Tour reshuffles and missed cuts  What winning on the Korn Ferry Tour actually changes - and what it doesn’t  The difference between linear and nonlinear putters  Why Chris says he “never thought about pace” while putting  The challenge of separating your identity from your golf game  What elite golf teaches you about business, communication, and relationships  How learning to “care less” can actually improve performance Connect with our guest 💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-wilson-98b112127/ Follow The Bag Drop 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebagdrop 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/thebagdropgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBagDropGolf Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Support our Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com  Connect with Matt & The Professor 🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/ 📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/ Chapters 00:00 - Intro07:57 - Chris Wilson joins the show13:08 - Northwestern vs Ohio State17:06 - The jump from college golf to professional golf21:51 - PGA Tour reshuffles and surviving missed cuts31:21 - Winning on the Korn Ferry Tour35:29 - Leaving professional golf behind42:53 - The philosophy of putting49:18 - Why Chris “never thought about pace” What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community, and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in-depth discussions on all things golf. What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is revolutionizing golf membership, making the game more meaningful for those who love it.

How do you become one of the oldest and now largest predominantly black golf clubs in the world without owning a golf course? By building around people and purpose.  In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and cohost Dr. Kevin Moore sit down with Ralph N. Paulk, president of Tire Town Golf Club in Akron, Ohio, to talk about one of the most meaningful golf stories hiding in plain sight. Founded in 1950, Tire Town began at a time when few local clubs allowed Black golfers to play. Today, it is known as the largest predominantly Black golf club in America — but Ralph is quick to make clear that size is not the point. The real story is what the club has become: a community built through golf, service, youth development, scholarships, volunteerism, and a stubborn belief that the game can open doors when people are willing to do the work. The conversation dives into: Tire Town’s origins at Good Park and Ridge Top, and why those courses matter in Akron golf historyWhat it means to be a club without a course — and why that idea resonates so deeply with NewClubRalph’s life in the Marine Corps, sports journalism, boxing, and covering legends like Arnold PalmerHow Tire Town grew from a golf group into a broader civic force with junior programs, scholarships, and community partnershipsWhy representation at places like Firestone Country Club matters, and how Tire Town members are changing who feels present in golfThe intentional growth of women’s leadership, junior involvement, volunteerism, and racial diversity inside the clubGolf as a foundation — not the whole house — for helping young people build confidence, discipline, opportunity, and a larger sense of what is possibleConnect with our guest 🏌️ Ralph N. Paulk — Tire Town Golf Club: https://tiretowngolfclub.net/ — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/ralphpaulk_trib | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralph-n-paulk-0834817/ Follow The Bag Drop 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebagdrop 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/thebagdropgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBagDropGolf Listen to The Bag Drop 🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH 🎧 Transistor: https://thebagdrop.transistor.fm/ Join the NewClub community 🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/ 🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf 📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclub Support our Partners 🐝 NewClub: https://www.newclub.golf 🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.com 🌐 Golf Blueprint: https://www.golfblueprint.com Chapters 00:00 Introduction, spring golf energy, and Sweetens Cove 03:11 Introducing Ralph N. Paulk and Tire Town Golf Club 10:41 Ralph joins the show 12:12 Ralph’s first introduction to Tire Town 14:40 Growing Tire Town beyond golf 17:31 Women’s leadership, diversity, and intentional growth 20:23 Ralph’s path from the Marine Corps to sports journalism 24:54 Arnold Palmer, Akron golf, and stories beyond the scoreboard 29:23 Tire Town’s 1950 origins and golf access in Akron 36:58 Tire Town colors, Goodyear roots, and the Akron identity 40:20 From golf club to community service engine 42:19 Firestone, volunteering, and changing who feels present 46:14 Why golf works as a foundation for young people 50:06 Opening the doors without losing the legacy 57:19 Service, family, and the Marine Corps 01:00:04 Ralph’s writing, Charles Follis, and untold sports history 01:03:31 What Tire Town hopes to be in 2036 01:09:01 Closing thoughts What is The Bag Drop? The Bag Drop features weekly stories from the culture, community, and characters shaping golf today. Produced by NewClub Golf Society, each episode blends authenticity and expert insights for passionate golfers at all levels. Special guests from clubs, courses and every corner of the changing landscape join us for thoughtful, in-depth discussions on all things golf. What is NewClub? Founded in 2017, NewClub is the premier private golf society in the United States. It blends the community and access of a private club with the variety and affordability of public golf. Members enjoy thousands of reserved tee times, competitions and events at exceptional partner courses across our local chapters, as well as signature trips and exclusive perks. NewClub is revolutionizing golf membership, making the game more meaningful for those who love it.