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AI is changing the way we work—but most leaders are thinking about it the wrong way. In this episode, Maximos Lih breaks down why AI isn’t just a tool problem—it’s a systems problem. From agentic AI to decision mapping, he shares practical ways leaders can rethink workflows, avoid costly mistakes, and actually use AI to scale their organizations effectively. If you’re trying to implement AI in your business, this conversation will help you slow down, think clearly, and build the right foundation before moving fast. Listen on Other PlatformsApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Maximos Lih ResourcesLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/maximoslih Hashtags#HowLeadersThink #ArtificialIntelligence #Leadership #BusinessGrowth

What does it actually take to lead in today’s multi-generational workplace? In this episode, Reed Nyffeler shares how leadership has evolved—and why many leaders struggle when they try to lead others the same way they were led. From understanding generational mindsets to embracing servant leadership, Reed breaks down practical ways to develop people and build stronger teams. If you want to grow as a leader, it starts with leading yourself well, communicating clearly, and learning how to adapt your leadership to the people around you. Listen on Other PlatformsApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Reed Nyffeler ResourcesWebsite: https://reednyffeler.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/reednyffeler/ Signal (Facebook): https://www.facebook.com/TeamSignalFG/ Books MentionedLead Exponentially — https://reednyffeler.com/ Transform Through Purpose: Your Path to Living an Authentic and Intentional Life — https://reednyffeler.com/ Hashtags#HowLeadersThink #LeadershipDevelopment #ServantLeadership #GenerationalLeadership

Most nonprofits rely on events to raise money—but what if that’s not the most effective strategy? In this episode, Aaron Glaeske shares a powerful shift in thinking: moving from event-based fundraising to program-driven impact. Drawing from his experience leading an education foundation, he explains how connecting dollars to real outcomes changes how donors engage and give. If you're a leader trying to grow support, stand out in a crowded nonprofit space, or communicate value more clearly, this conversation will challenge and sharpen your approach. Listen on Other Platforms Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Aaron Glaeske Resources Website — https://visdfoundation.org Hashtags #HowLeadersThink #NonprofitLeadership #FundraisingStrategy #Leadership

What does it really take to find product-market fit—and keep it as your business grows? In this conversation, Ryan Hogan shares lessons from scaling companies, evolving business models, and learning to listen to the market without losing direction. He breaks down why services must be productized to scale, how AI is creating both opportunity and distraction, and why critical thinking is becoming one of the most valuable leadership skills today. If you're building, leading, or trying to grow something meaningful, this episode will challenge how you think about strategy, execution, and what actually drives results. Listen on Other Platforms Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Ryan Hogan Resources Website — https://talentharbor.com/ LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanehogan/ YouTube — https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtRyIgFE14smkGlCVtwnhbw Confessions of an EOS Implementer — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/confessions-of-an-implementer/id1740510216 Confessions of a Vistage Chair — https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/confessions-of-a-vistage-chair/id1872757018 Books Mentioned Competing Against Luck — Clayton Christensen Hashtags #HowLeadersThink #ProductMarketFit #Leadership #BusinessGrowth

Les McKeown, Founder and CEO of Predictable Success, joins Kenny Lange to reveal the hidden patterns behind organizational growth. Drawing from his experience launching over 40 companies and advising global organizations, Les shares actionable insights on achieving sustainable success and leading teams through every stage of growth. Whether you’re a business leader, nonprofit executive, or aspiring entrepreneur, this episode offers practical wisdom to help you navigate change, build high-performing teams, and keep your organization on the growth track. Tune in for a candid, human conversation that will challenge and inspire your leadership journey. Listen on Other Platforms Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Les McKeown Resources Website: https://PredictableSuccess.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/3970027 Podcast: https://PredictableSuccess.com/podcast Books Mentioned Predictable Success: Getting Your Organization On the Growth Track – and Keeping It There - https://amzn.to/44sUtJV The Synergist: How to Lead Your Team to Predictable Success - https://amzn.to/3TEUbt8 Chapters 00:00 - Welcome & intro 01:15 - Meet Les McKeown 03:10 - The Predictable Success framework 06:25 - Recognizing growth patterns 09:40 - Lessons from launching 40+ companies 12:55 - Building high-performing teams 16:20 - Navigating organizational change 19:35 - Common leadership pitfalls 22:50 - Nonprofit vs. business growth 26:05 - The Synergist mindset 29:30 - Advice for aspiring leaders 32:45 - Books and resources 35:00 - Final thoughts & takeaways 36:30 - Where to connect with Les 38:00 - Closing remarks #HowLeadersThink #Leadership #BusinessGrowth #Entrepreneurship

On today's episode of "How Leaders Think", host Kenny Lange is joined by Scott Ritzheimer, CEO of Scale Architects, for a deep dive into optimizing leadership styles in nonprofit organizations. They discuss common challenges nonprofits face, such as chronic underfunding and the need to break out of early struggling phases. Scott emphasizes the importance of utilizing the unique strengths of visionaries, operators, processors, and synergists. Whether you're leading a nonprofit or a for-profit, this episode offers essential insights on structuring your team for maximum impact and sustainability. Other places to find the “How Leaders Think” podcast: * Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 * Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh * Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= * Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b * YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts * Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Scot Ritzheimer Resources: Website: https://www.scalearchitects.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottritzheimer YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Scale_Architects The Synergist by Les Mckeown: https://amzn.to/4dthAXi #NonprofitSuccess #TeamSynergy #VisionaryLeaders #OperationalExcellence

Conflict isn’t just blowups—it’s the quiet moments where people stop speaking up, innovation stalls, and trust erodes. In this episode, Kenny Lange sits down with Dr. Jen Fry to unpack how leaders can turn conflict into a leadership advantage by building cultures of clarity, accountability, and repair. They talk sunk cost fallacy, moving fast without fear, and why mistakes can become the strongest trust-building moments. You’ll leave with a practical “baby step” you can take in the next 24 hours to see how your team experiences you. Listen on Other PlatformsApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Jen Fry ResourcesWebsite: https://jenfrytalks.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenfry13 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jenfrytalks Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jenfrytalks Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/jenfrytalks YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jenfrytalks Book page: https://jenfrytalks.com/book/ Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/five-with-fry/id1790278475 Books MentionedI Said No: How to Have a Backbone and Boundaries Without Being a JerkLeveling Up (Ryan Leak) Chapters00:00 - Sunk cost fallacy intro 00:30 - Welcome & Jen Fry bio 02:45 - Why conflict hurts companies 04:00 - The “small, insidious” breakdowns 05:45 - When talent threatens comfort 07:20 - Leaders over-identify with “the way” 11:10 - Pivoting fast in tech 13:20 - Andy Stanley: date the model 15:10 - Sports: speed, scouting, adjustment 18:10 - Clean breaks vs “dragging debt” 21:30 - Spend money to make money 22:10 - The mistake spectrum (0–10) 24:10 - 5,000 texts: accountability test 25:10 - Rupture & repair builds trust 29:10 - “Go toward the smoke” 33:00 - 24-hour step: ask your assistant 35:00 - “What’s it like to be me?” 39:10 - Where to find Jen + wrap Hashtags#HowLeadersThink #Leadership #OrganizationalCulture #ConflictResolution

Trust isn’t “soft”—it’s measurable, and it directly impacts revenue, reputation, and retention. In this episode, Kenny Lange sits down with Kim Bohr, President & COO at SparkEffect, to unpack why well-intended leaders unintentionally erode trust through small daily actions. Kim explains SparkEffect Trust Elasticity™, how psychological safety strengthens teams during disruption, and why alignment between words and actions matters more than most leaders realize. You’ll walk away with practical steps—including the 5 Cs of Trust—to build trust resilience in the next season of change. Listen on Other Platforms Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Kim Bohr Resources Website: https://sparkeffect.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimbohr/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sparkeffect_/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61555355996682 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@sparkeffect-us Podcast: https://couragetoadvancepodcast.podbean.com/ Episode landing page (goes live near publish date): https://sparkeffect.com/hlt Hashtags #HowLeadersThink #Leadership #TrustInLeadership #PsychologicalSafety

What does it take to pivot when things are going well—but the world (and your work) is changing fast? In this episode of How Leaders Think, Kenny Lange talks with Dr. Sharon Spano, founder of Spano & Company, about strategic planning that actually gets implemented, leading through uncertainty, and building the ability to adapt without drifting. They unpack why long-range planning still matters, how leaders can cut through the noise, and what accountability looks like when execution is the real challenge. Sharon also shares how she’s used AI as a thought partner to gain clarity and make better decisions without outsourcing her discernment. Listen on Other Platforms Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Sharon Spano Resources Website: https://sharonspano.com Podcast Appearances: https://sharonspano.com/podcast-appearances/ Books Mentioned The Pursuit of Time and Money (Dr. Sharon Spano): https://amzn.to/4tQXYnT Chapters 00:00 - Cold open: AI as thought partner 00:55 - Welcome & Sharon Spano intro 01:30 - What’s on Sharon’s mind now 01:40 - Rebranding and pivoting a podcast 02:45 - When to pivot even if it’s working 03:10 - Big pivots: travel, market shifts, COVID 04:25 - Strategic planning changed after COVID 05:35 - Planning horizons: 3 years vs 10 years 08:10 - Vision, values, and getting to metrics 09:10 - Why most strategic plans fail 10:35 - Busy work vs real impact 12:20 - Too many meetings: redesigning cadence 13:05 - Accountability that drives execution 16:25 - Using AI for analysis and clarity 18:20 - Sharon’s new podcast and calling 21:05 - A first step to handle change better 44:25 - Where to find Sharon & closing Hashtags #HowLeadersThink #LeadershipDevelopment #StrategicPlanning #ChangeManagement

Are you a high achiever drifting toward burnout? In this Looking Back episode of How Leaders Think, Kenny Lange and Julie K. Rhodes explore how Sabbath, humility, and God’s unconditional love create sustainable leadership. If you’re driven, responsible, and carrying significant pressure, this conversation may completely change how you think about success. Chronic Grace: Prayers, Saints, and Thorns That Stay by Julie K. Rhodes https://amzn.to/4azudiK Julie shares how grief and chronic illness reshaped her definition of achievement—and why overachievers often drift into exhaustion when identity is tied to outcomes. This episode is about becoming the right person, not just getting the right results. Listen on Other Platforms Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Julie K. Rhodes Resources Website: https://www.juliekrhodes.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/juliekrhodes/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-rhodes-ba4aab300/ Instagram: @juliekrhodes Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/juliekrhodes Other Resources Mentioned Chronic Grace: Prayers, Saints, and Thorns That Stay (Julie K. Rhodes): https://amzn.to/4azudiK Practicing the Way (John Mark Comer): https://amzn.to/4djmoOC So Much More Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/3EV8RsLUlSeyfZvONYoRFc Chapters 00:00 - Why this episode matters (Looking Back) 01:05 - A sacred pause after loss 04:02 - What “success” really looks like 06:52 - Legacy vs metrics and milestones 10:45 - The hidden motive behind striving 12:49 - Why high achievers burn out 14:29 - Unconditional love as a practice 20:42 - Finding a spiritual rhythm that fits 22:36 - Anxiety, control, and humility 27:35 - Pressure, responsibility, and payroll reality 30:40 - Trusting providence when plans shift 34:12 - Sabbath: a hard break from striving 37:13 - The drift back to performance 42:24 - The “next 24 hours” reset step 44:30 - Build a sustainable pattern #HowLeadersThink #Leadership #Burnout #Sabbath #ChristianLeadership

What happens when leadership becomes performance instead of presence? In this episode of How Leaders Think, Kenny Lange sits down with leadership strategist and author Kristina Holle to explore how survival patterns, identity, and burnout quietly shape the way leaders show up. Kristina unpacks the shift from performative leadership to embodied authenticity—and why wholeness, self-regulation, and alignment are becoming essential in today’s fast-moving world. This conversation is for leaders ready to stop surviving and start leading from who they truly are. Listen on Other PlatformsApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube Podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Kristina Holle ResourcesWebsite: https://www.holleconsulting.com LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/kristinaholle Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kristinahollereal YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@kristinamholle Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/6tnlbYvYQrz86e2vX4VHJt Books MentionedThe Authentic You: Unleash Your Leadership Potential https://www.amazon.ca/Authentic-You-Unleash-Leadership-Potential-ebook/dp/B091FX4W1C Hashtags#HowLeadersThink #AuthenticLeadership #LeadershipDevelopment #EmotionalIntelligence

What if the biggest threat to your leadership isn’t your strategy — but your need for control? In this episode of How Leaders Think, Kenny Lange talks with Randy Griffin, Chair at C12 North Texas, about the two “operating systems” leaders live from: fear and faith. They unpack why high-achieving Christian leaders can get results while quietly losing margin, peace, and joy — and how Jesus invites us into partnership, surrender, and formation instead of performance. If you’ve been trying to “optimize” your way to peace, this conversation will reframe what healthy, kingdom-minded leadership actually looks like. Listen on Other Platforms:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Randy Griffin Resources:Website: https://c12northtexas.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/texasfaith/ Chapters:00:00 - The question you’re avoiding 00:45 - Welcome & Randy’s background 02:00 - Leaders are tired: no margin in soul 03:30 - “Optimize more” vs true rest 04:35 - Matthew 11: Jesus’ yoke & rest 07:30 - Two operating systems: fear vs faith 09:45 - Holy productivity vs burnout 12:00 - Loving work without losing your soul 14:15 - Moving from 1.0 to a new OS 17:25 - Recovery & control as addiction 20:10 - “Just enough” is the lie 22:00 - People are God’s highest value 27:15 - Leadership as formation 31:10 - Why success can block surrender 35:45 - 24-hour step: name it & share it 40:15 - How to connect with Randy Hashtags:#HowLeadersThink #ChristianLeadership #FaithAtWork #LeadershipDevelopment

In this episode of How Leaders Think, Kenny Lange sits down with Preston Zeller (Founder of Psalmlog) to talk about how grief reshapes your priorities, relationships, and leadership. They unpack the “race to victimhood,” why pain can fuel either growth or entitlement, and what forgiveness actually looks like when life hits hard. Then they pivot into AI + biblical guidance—how to build responsible tools that support spiritual formation without replacing God, community, or wisdom. Listen on Other Platforms Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Preston Zeller Resources Website: https://zellerhaus.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/prestonzeller/ Instagram: prestonzeller Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/6B0oUz6sfKs5IRicVFV0Yb Books Mentioned The Only Leader’s Worth Following — Tim Spiker #HowLeadersThink #LeadershipDevelopment #GriefAndLeadership #ArtificialIntelligence

Most leaders say “people first,” but few build the systems to actually live it. In this episode, Kenny Lange sits down with Janelle Miller Moravek, Executive Director of Youth & Family Counseling, to unpack what it really looks like to care for your team so they can deliver great work—especially in high-demand, high-burnout environments. Janelle shares why middle management is the “secret sauce,” how they redesigned workload expectations, and what she’s learning about safety, rest, and sustainability as the pace of change accelerates. If you’re leading a business or nonprofit and want a healthier culture without losing performance, this conversation will give you practical angles to think from. Listen on Other Platforms Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Janelle Miller Moravek Resources Website: https://www.counselingforall.org LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janelle-miller-moravek-903a815b/ #HowLeadersThink #LeadershipDevelopment #PeopleFirstLeadership #NonprofitLeadership

What happens to trust when AI can generate “smart-sounding” narratives at scale? Kenny sits down with Shane Gring (Founder of Certainly) to unpack why authority is shifting, why attention is becoming a commodity, and how leaders can stand out with a real point of view—not just polished content. They break down the difference between a course and a certification, what “high-integrity” credentialing actually means, and how to know when your expertise is ready to become a credential. If you’re building influence in a noisy market, this episode will help you create signal people can trust. Listen on Other PlatformsApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy50cmFuc2lzdG9yLmZtL2tlZXAtcmlzaW5nLXdpdGgta2VubnktbGFuZ2U= Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b13c5d64-50db-4626-9685-c356116ec54b YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/ Shane Gring ResourcesWebsite: certainly.coop LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanegring/ Hashtags#HowLeadersThink #Leadership #ArtificialIntelligence #Trust