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This week Jonny chats to Steve Bianchi, CHRO and COO of talent operating system Beamery. A real futurist and systems thinker, Steve gets into the future of the people team, why people leaders make good Chief Operating Officers and imagines a future where we’re hired not based on our university and CV but by our skills and ambition. Links: Steve on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenbianchi Beamery: https://beamery.com/ Jonny can be found at https://twitter.com/jonnyburch Who else should we be speaking to? Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email [email protected] and tell us more. Our lovely sponsor: Progression! We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: progressionapp.com/careers Rate us! It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

In this episode Jonny chats to Lucas Coelho — VP of design at Roam Digital — about growing as a leader, his thoughts on how to build a bench of good junior folks, being honest and learning from failure and his experience building progression frameworks and using Progression. Lucas is a Progression customer, but we try and steer well clear of that until the very end. Lucas Links: https://lucascoelho.co/ https://twitter.com/coelholucas Lucas's talk at Figma Config: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCsSKDh8gBg Jonny can be found at https://twitter.com/jonnyburch Who else should we be speaking to? Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email [email protected] and tell us more. Our lovely sponsor: Progression! We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: https://progressionapp.com/careers Rate us! It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

In this episode, Jonny chats with Brian about the rise of the very senior IC (Individual Contributor) - a subject close to our heart at Progression. We also go into the process of creating a startup and Brian's experience building and exiting Spectrum, his mixed feelings about how much we should be optimising for titles and putting yourself out there on the internet. Brian is a designer at Github, co-host of the very popular Design Details podcast and most recently published a collection of interviews with senior designers on staff.design. Brian Links: https://brianlovin.com/ https://twitter.com/brian_lovin https://staff.design/ https://designdetails.fm/ https://nav.al/principal-agent - the article that Brian references that we're now obsessed with Jonny can be found at https://twitter.com/jonnyburch Who else should we be speaking to? Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email [email protected] and tell us more. Our lovely sponsor: Progression! We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: https://progressionapp.com/careers Rate us! It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

In this episode, Sarah Clatterbuck, Senior Director of Engineering at Google sits down with Neil to discuss a whole range of topics including: What is was like in the LinkedIn engineering team as they grew from 300 to 3000 How Sarah recommends startups and scale-ups think about rolling out progression frameworks for the first time How to think about and reduce unconscious bias and anti-patterns in frameworks Links: Sarah on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahclatterbuck/ Sarah on Twitter https://twitter.com/girodchatterbox Neil on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ncameron Who else should we be speaking to? Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email [email protected] and tell us more. Our lovely sponsor: Progression! We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: https://progressionapp.com/careers Rate us! It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539 Image credit: Kevin Scott

This episode, Jonny chats to Jessie Hayes, VP People and Talent at Whereby, the London video platform.  As one of the first 'People people' on the pod, Jessie goes through her personal career journey to get to Whereby, through large companies (Goldman Sachs, Box) to small, then we dig into how to treat your people function like a product which your employees subscribe to (very novel and clever) and then get Jessie's thoughts on progression frameworks, where they've succeeded and failed and what they're doing about it at Whereby today as they scale to 160+. Jessie's links: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicamayhayes/ https://twitter.com/hijessiemay https://www.jmh.fun/ Jonny: https://twitter.com/jonnyburch Who else should we be speaking to? Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email [email protected] and tell us more. Our lovely sponsor: Progression! We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: https://progressionapp.com/careers Rate us! It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

We're back after a bit of a break with a new series of Progression Pods - this time we're mixing up the presenter so watch out for some new voices from the team. In this episode, Gonçalo Silva, CTO at Doist (creators of Todoist and Twist) sits down with Neil to discuss the nine month process they went through to create a progression framework for their globally distributed team of 100 people.  They discuss building the framework transparently, iteratively gathering and incorporating team member feedback and how they use their framework to help determine compensation. Links: https://twitter.com/goncalossilva https://doist.com https://todoist.com https://twist.com Neil on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ncameron Who else should we be speaking to? Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email [email protected] and tell us more. Our lovely sponsor: Progression! We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: progressionapp.com/careers  Rate us! It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

It's been a while since Jonny and Neil sat down to talk through Product progress, plans and strategy. This somewhat unplanned ramble-chat covers how we're thinking about high touch vs low touch go-to-market, COVID impact, honing the problem we're solving and for who. Of course, Neil also reviews a biscuit. We have no new guest interview episodes planned (it's been a busy few months) but if you like these team chats please let us know and we can do more of them! Anti-racism statement During this episode we reference a statement on anti-racism and our stance, that we planned to be an intro to the episode but we decided to make it its own episode. The audio and transcript of that is here: https://www.progressionapp.com/posts/anti-racism-statement/ — please do give it a listen, we're learning and would love your feedback. Other links As always, you can give Progression a try at https://progressionapp.com All previous episodes now available on our blog: https://progressionapp.com/blog Jonny on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonnyburch Neil on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ncameron

A statement about our Anti-racism stance and plans for making Progression an anti-racist product and business. Read the full statement and more detail on our action items here: https://progressionapp.com/posts/anti-racism-statement/

Cap Watkins is CXO at Primary, where he's responsible for Design, Product, People and engineering (oh my!). In the recent past, he was a professional leadership coach and organizational consultant at Practical Works, helping senior contributors, first-time managers and managers-of-managers grow and evolve in their roles. Previously, he was VP of Design at BuzzFeed, where he managed Product Design.  While at Buzzfeed Cap also created one of the most popular design frameworks on progression.fyi – https://www.progression.fyi/f/buzzfeed, which he then blogged about warning people not to use it directly. We talked about that along with several of his blog posts, including: https://capwatkins.com/blog/skip-the-shortcuts https://capwatkins.com/blog/two-questions I'd been following and nagging Cap for an interview for months, so it's funny that it then took me six months to get the resulting interview out. It's a great and very much evergreen interview though, so lots to dig into. Find cap on: https://capwatkins.com/ https://twitter.com/cap Who else should we be speaking to? Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email [email protected] and tell us more. Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. Go check them out at https://deliveroo.design Join the waitlist We’re aiming to launch soon, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. progressionapp.com Rate us! It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

About Irene Irene is a designer and veteran design leader, leading design and user experience at Google, Yahoo, Netscape, and Udacity. She was once even the most prolific hirer of UX talent in silicon valley.  She now works as an operational partner at Khosla Ventures, working with fast growing portfolio companies on design and strategic problems at the highest level, as well as teaching yoga. Our conversation covered scaling design across some of the most well known and iconic companies in the world as well as extrinsic vs intrinsic motivation, using envy to identify what you enjoy and finding the thing that gives you joy. I loved this conversation – Irene absolutely (but politely) schooled me on some of my assumptions about the evolution of design and I learned a ton. I hope you do too! Irene's website: ireneau.com Irene on Twitter: twitter.com/ireneau Design your Life – Irene's medium blog: https://medium.com/design-your-life Who else should we be speaking to? Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email [email protected] and tell us more. Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. Go check them out at https://deliveroo.design We're looking for new sponsors! hit us up: [email protected] Join the waitlist We’re aiming to launch soon, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. progressionapp.com Rate us! It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

About Ryan Ryan Carson has been a huge figure in tech and online learning for a long time now through his company Treehouse, but his journey to get there and onwards from this success story is a journey of learning about himself, what he loves and also his privilege.  From Carsonified, his tech conference startup based in the UK through Treehouse to Project unlock the American dream (training 100,000 Americans from diverse backgrounds into software engineering apprenticeships), he talks through his biggest challenge yet. Ryan on twitter: https://twitter.com/ryancarson Treehouse: https://teamtreehouse.com Project unlock the american dream: https://projectunlocktheamericandream.org Ryan's book recommendations The New Jim Crow: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1595586431 Seeing White: https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-White-Introduction-Privilege-Race/dp/1442203080 Who else should we be speaking to? Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email [email protected] and tell us more. Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. Go check them out at https://deliveroo.design Join the waitlist We’re aiming to launch soon, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. progressionapp.com Rate us! It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

Today’s guest: Anne-Laure Le Cunff Anne-Laure is a prolific writer, thinker and learner. From a background in tech at companies like Google, she's spend the last year or so focused on entrepreneurial projects, culminating in her own Venture Studio Ness Labs, dedicated to products that help people be happier and healthier. She's hugely active in the online entrepreneurial community, championing learning and personal development with a broad set of 6000+ folks following along through her newsletter. As a fellow maker and founder, Anne-Laure and I talk less about team building and more about the journey of starting something new, compound interest when it comes to writing, being an active learner and a company of one. Anne-Laure's company: https://nesslabs.com/ and newsletter: https://nesslabs.com/newsletter Maker Mag: https://makermag.com/ Anne-Laure on Twitter: https://twitter.com/anthilemoon Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. Go check them out at https://deliveroo.design Join the waitlist We’re aiming to launch in the first quarter of next year, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. https://progressionapp.com Rate us! It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539 Who else should we be speaking to? Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email [email protected] and tell us more.