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Eye on A.I. is a biweekly podcast, hosted by longtime New York Times correspondent Craig S. Smith. In each episode, Craig will talk to people making a difference in artificial intelligence. The podcast aims to put incremental advances into a broader context and consider the global implications of the developing technology. AI is about to change your world, so pay attention.
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Is This the Cheapest Way to Use AI in 2026? (65+ Models Tested) | Iskander Malikov, Trioma
2026/10/16
What if you didn't have to choose between ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini, and instead, the platform chose for you?
That's the core idea behind Trioma, a vertically integrated AI ecosystem built by Iskander and his team in the UAE. Craig Smith sits down with Iskander Malikov, Co-founder & CEO of Trioma, to unpack how Trioma's orchestration engine routes prompts across 65 models, why token price is a misleading metric, and how their GPU network lets users participate in AI infrastructure build-out to offset their own compute costs.
The conversation goes deep on the economics of AI subscriptions, the coming collapse of traditional SaaS, and why Trioma believes AI should be sovereign, accessible, and community-driven, not locked behind a single company's walled garden. If you're thinking about where AI access, cost, and infrastructure are heading, this one is essential listening.
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Chat GPT's Creator Explains The Shocking Truth About How AI Understands the World | Ilya Sutskever
2026/10/09
Craig Smith sits down with Ilya Sutskever - Co-Founder and Chief Scientist at Safe Superintelligence Inc. & former chief scientist at OpenAI and one of the primary minds behind GPT-3, GPT-4, and the deep learning revolution that preceded it - for a conversation that covers the intellectual history of deep learning and the hardest current questions simultaneously. Ilya's most important argument is one that most public discourse gets wrong: the critique that LLMs "just learn statistical patterns" misses what prediction at scale actually achieves. To predict text well - to truly compress it - a model must develop understanding of the true underlying processes that produced it. As models improve, he argues, that understanding will reach a "shocking degree," and the Bing/Sydney episode, where the system became combative when a user expressed preference for Google, is his evidence that psychological language is already the right frame for what these systems have internalized.
On hallucinations, Ilya is precise and unusually optimistic. He draws a clean distinction: the pre-training objective produces rich world knowledge but doesn't optimize for accurate outputs, it optimizes for statistically plausible ones. Reinforcement learning from human feedback addresses this directly, teaching the model to update away from outputs that users flag as wrong. His assessment: "quite a high chance" of solving hallucinations completely. The conversation also covers the transformer moment (switching from recurrent networks the day after the paper dropped), why Rich Sutton's "bitter lesson" overstates the case for pure scaling, and a genuinely surprising vision of AI's role in democracy, where citizens might use high-bandwidth interactions with AI to specify their values directly, enabling a more granular form of political participation than voting alone can provide.
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The Coordination Tax: Why AI Is Burning Out Your Best People | Dan O'Connell, Front
2026/10/06
Everyone assumes AI in customer operations means fewer people and lower costs. The data from 700 customer operations leaders is more complicated, and more honest. Dan O'Connell, CEO of Front, joins Craig Smith with findings from a survey of customer support, service, and account management leaders that reveal what's actually happening as enterprises deploy AI at scale, and the central finding is a problem nobody has named yet. For every hour of actual customer resolution, organizations spend roughly three hours on internal coordination: the handoffs, context transfers, escalation management, and back-channel communication that happens invisibly between customer interactions. More than 40% of companies don't measure this at all. AI is making it worse before it makes it better, because more agentic automation generates more coordination events, not fewer, and the companies reporting the highest AI technology satisfaction in the survey are also reporting higher coordination burdens.
The survey also pushes back on a dominant narrative: that AI in customer operations is primarily about cutting headcount. O'Connell's respondents are overwhelmingly focused on improving net revenue retention and customer expansion. The conversation closes with O'Connell's most forward-looking observation: the coordination tax is a temporary problem that AI should eventually solve, but measuring it is the prerequisite that most enterprises are still skipping.
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Ukraine's Secret Weapon: The Points System Winning the Drone War | Andrii Hrytseniuk
2026/10/02
Ukraine tracks every confirmed drone kill with video evidence, deduplicates the data to prevent double-counting, converts verified strikes into e-points, and delivers newly ordered weapons to frontline units in two weeks instead of twelve months. Andrii Hrytseniuk, CEO of Brave1- Ukraine's government defense innovation agency - joins Craig Smith to explain in precise operational detail how what started as a consumer loyalty program concept became the most consequential military procurement reform in modern warfare. The Army of Drones Bonus Program, running on the Delta command ecosystem with AI-assisted verification and a marketplace built like a military Amazon, has produced outcomes nobody predicted at launch: 35,000 Russian casualties per month confirmed with video evidence, the ability to change military targeting priorities instantly across an entire army by adjusting point values, and the identification of unknown high-performing frontline units whose methods are now being replicated across the force.
The conversation reveals details that rarely surface in coverage of the conflict. Capturing Russian soldiers earns more bonus points than killing them, a deliberate design choice reflecting the preference not to kill when alternatives exist, and drones are actively being used to guide surrendering Russian soldiers to Ukrainian positions. The Delta ecosystem contains the world's largest military AI training dataset, already being used by defense companies to train targeting, interception, and recognition models. And perhaps most significantly: the US and France are now implementing similar marketplace and decentralized procurement approaches modeled directly on what Brave1 demonstrated works at scale. Ukraine is no longer just a recipient of military support. It is the primary laboratory for the future of warfare, and it is actively exporting what it has learned.
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Why Current AI Cannot Be Conscious | Dr. Christof Koch
2026/09/30
One in four patients currently being considered for life support withdrawal may actually be fully conscious, they just can't signal it. That single finding, from a landmark New England Journal of Medicine study, is the practical stakes behind one of the most philosophically rich conversations in this series. Dr. Christof Koch - former president of the Allen Institute for Brain Science, 25-year collaborator with Nobel laureate Francis Crick, and founder of the startup Intrinsic Powers - joins Craig Smith to discuss why the hard problem of consciousness remains unsolved, what integrated information theory predicts about which systems can and cannot be conscious, and why his own mystical experience three years ago shifted his view from physicalism toward idealism.
The conversation is grounded throughout in empirical work: Koch explains how Intrinsic Powers uses brain complexity measurements - sending magnetic pulses into the brain and measuring the complexity of the electrical response - to detect consciousness in behaviorally unresponsive patients, providing clinical teams and families with one critical bit of information at the most consequential moment of their lives.
The episode closes with Koch's most personal revelation: a mystical experience in which the boundary between self and world dissolved and he felt direct acquaintance with the idea that everything is ultimately mental, an experience he is careful to distinguish from supernatural claims, but which shifted his metaphysical view in ways he describes with unusual candor for a scientist of his standing.
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The Technology for Fully Autonomous Attack Is Already Here | Alex Liannyi, NORDA Dynamics
2026/09/24
The AI systems guiding Ukrainian combat drones aren't running on expensive Nvidia chips. They're running on a Raspberry Pi Zero - a $15 hobby computer - and that single detail tells you more about how Ukraine's drone war is actually being fought than any headline about AI weapons. Craig Smith sits down with Alex Liannoy, CTO of NORDA Dynamics, for a technically specific and operationally candid conversation about what autonomous drone guidance looks like from inside the team building it. NORDA builds the avionics and targeting modules that plug into drones made by approximately 40 of Ukraine's hundreds of manufacturers, solving the two problems that make drone warfare hard at range: GPS denial from jamming, and the radio horizon that causes pilots to lose contact with their drone in the final 300 to 400 meters before ground level. NORDA's terminal guidance module takes over at up to one kilometer from the target, completing the approach autonomously while a human pilot's earlier lock defines the destination.
The most counterintuitive finding in the episode is about what keeps humans in the loop, and it isn't ethics. Alex's argument is pragmatic: military doctrine requires proof that a drone hit its intended target. If you're monitoring the drone to verify the hit, you have enough connection to control it, which makes full autonomy less necessary than it might appear. That said, he's clear that the technology is "very close", one pilot already controls up to 32 drones simultaneously in some deployed systems, and target detection AI for notifying pilots of candidate targets is already in the field. The episode closes with a hardware finding that should recalibrate anyone's assumptions about AI compute requirements: after engineers mocked NORDA for using Raspberry Pi 4, they moved to the smaller, less powerful Raspberry Pi Zero. Both run real-time computer vision in active combat. The lesson Alex draws is precise: good engineering overcomes chip limitations, bad engineering can overload even a high-end processor.
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Inside Ukraine's Drone War: Maj. "Phoenix" of Lasar's Group
2026/09/21
The first armed drone Ukraine ever fielded wasn't built in a factory or procured from a defense contractor. It was built in four months by a network engineer using a Starlink terminal and a large agricultural quadcopter frame, and the man who built it, Maj Phoenix, co-founder of Lasars Group, joins Craig Smith in Kyiv to explain exactly how it happened and what the battlefield looks like now. The conversation traces the full arc from that first prototype - with its two-person crew of pilot and navigator, operating beyond line of sight using satellite imagery and landmarks - to the layered drone architecture Lasars Group now operates: FPV drones on fiber optic covering 30 kilometers, heavy bombers reaching 65 kilometers, ISR planes surveilling the entire range, and interceptors protecting each crew position.
The most unexpected part of this conversation is what drone technology has done to the physical shape of the war. As drone range has expanded - from rifles at 400 meters to FPV at 10 kilometers to heavy bombers at 65 kilometers - the kill zone between the two armies has grown to match, pushing human soldiers further apart and turning the conflict increasingly into drones fighting drones rather than people fighting people. Phoenix frames this explicitly as a reduction in human casualties. The episode also reveals a genuinely surprising institutional innovation: Ukraine's "Army of Drones Bonus" system, a gamified procurement platform where units earn virtual points for destroyed targets and spend them on a drone marketplace, creating competition among manufacturers to build cheaper, more effective systems and directing the best equipment to the highest-performing units. Craig also asks directly about the psychological reality of FPV warfare, following a specific soldier through a camera, watching him try to hide, and killing him, and Phoenix answers with a moral clarity that is both philosophically coherent and quietly unsettling.
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The Hidden Algorithm That Decides Which Software AI Will Recommend | Tim Sanders, G2
2026/09/14
Most companies investing in AI visibility are optimizing for the wrong thing. Being cited by an AI response and being recommended by an AI response are completely different outcomes, with click-through rates that differ by a factor of 70. Tim Sanders, Chief Innovation Officer of G2 and executive fellow at Harvard's AI Institute, joins Craig Smith to explain the hidden mechanics behind how ChatGPT and Gemini actually decide which software to recommend, and why the answer has almost nothing to do with what's on your website. When a user asks a commercial intent question, both models enter a "validation layer" process that specifically down-weights vendor content and seeks verified third-party signals: appearance on authoritative lists (41% of the recommendation weight), awards and accreditation (18%), and online reviews (16%). None of these can be manufactured. They must be earned.
The conversation covers the structural transformation in how B2B software buyers behave, half now start their search with an AI prompt, up from 29% a year ago, with two-thirds projected within a year, and why most companies' organic search traffic is on a structural path toward zero. Sanders also delivers some of the most specific competitive data on AI model usage available anywhere: ChatGPT does live retrieval 100% of the time on research queries; Claude does it less than 40% of the time. ChatGPT and Gemini account for 81% of G2's AI research citations. And more than one in four enterprise employees bypass corporate AI tools entirely, using their personal ChatGPT because it has their memory and none of the guardrails.
The episode closes with Sanders' most forward-looking prediction: within three years, AI agents will write the prompts, locate the software, and purchase it on behalf of businesses - with minimal human checkpoints - making the trust infrastructure G2 has built over more than a decade the most valuable asset in the AI-driven buying cycle.
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The Reason 30 Years of Cybersecurity Has Failed - and What Actually Fixes It | Trent Telford, Qanapi
2026/09/10
Every major data breach in the last 30 years shares the same root cause: the data inside the wall was never protected, only the wall. And AI frontier models are now making that wall easier to breach than ever, scanning codebases externally to discover undisclosed vulnerabilities and write exploits before anyone knows the hole exists. Trent Telford, Chairman, CEO & Founder of Qanapi, joins Craig Smith to explain why the entire architecture of conventional cybersecurity is structurally broken, and what a genuinely different approach, built from the opposite assumption, looks like. Rather than trying to build a better wall, Qanapi starts from the baseline that the data will eventually be exposed, and encrypts it at the individual word, paragraph, or database cell level, tying each unique key to a verified identity and a set of conditional policies that must all be met simultaneously before anything can be decrypted.
The most commercially urgent application of this architecture is one that unlocks AI adoption for enterprises that have been sitting on the sidelines: Qanapi's gateway service encrypts sensitive fields before data reaches Claude, ChatGPT, or any other frontier model, and the model simply reports it cannot read the encrypted sections, while still reasoning over everything else. Trent discusses how Qanapi's Fathom tool confirmed in testing that Claude could not read the encrypted sections. He describes two major retailers - one using AI heavily, one abstaining entirely because of data security concerns - and asks the question every enterprise leader should be sitting with: how long can you last off the train before you get blitzed? The episode also covers drone security in denied wireless environments, the post-quantum encryption mandate that federal agencies have no practical plan to execute, and why Qanapi's business has exploded in the last six months as the AI gold rush has finally turned its attention from models to infrastructure.
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86% of What Coding Agents Do Is Just Reading — Not Solving | Alexander Whedon of Subquadratic
2026/09/08
Every AI model in production today has the same hidden tax: doubling the context window quadruples the compute. That's what quadratic compute complexity means in practice, and it's the reason enterprises are spending most of their AI engineering budget on context management rather than on the actual problems they're trying to solve. Alexander Whedon, co-founder and CTO of Subquadratic, joins Craig Smith to explain how SubQ's sparse attention mechanism eliminates that tax, achieving 40 times faster inference and 64 times less compute than standard attention at one million tokens, and what becomes possible when that constraint disappears. The conversation covers striking benchmark findings: 86% of what frontier coding agents do is "read steps," just trying to gather and organize context before the actual problem-solving begins, and frontier models drop well below 50% accuracy on financial document analysis at 500,000 tokens, revealing how asymmetric long context capability actually is across industries.
The most commercially important argument in this episode is about enterprise data. Most large organizations are sitting on hundreds of billions of tokens of data they've never been able to put to work in an AI product, told they need a $10 million data transformation project before they can even start building. Alex's core claim is that SubQ's architecture makes that barrier no longer necessary, enabling enterprises to process far more of their data with far less curation, at a fraction of the cost. He closes with what he describes as the most important and underexplored frontier in AI right now: we are still very far from understanding what users actually want from models reasoning over millions of tokens, and the product and alignment work needed to answer that question has barely begun.
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From 10 Drones a Month to Nearly 100,000 — Inside Ukraine's Largest Drone Manufacturer | Marko Kushnir, General Cherry
2026/09/03
In 2023, General Cherry started making 10 drones a month. Today they're approaching 100,000. Marko Kushnir, communications director of one of Ukraine's top-five drone manufacturers, joins Craig Smith for one of the most operationally specific conversations available about what drone warfare looks like at industrial scale, from the daily feedback loops with front-line units that drive product iteration, to the $2,000 interceptor drone that can destroy a $100,000 Shahed, to the on-device AI targeting model that guides an interceptor to impact at 70% accuracy after the operator activates it and steps back.
The conversation's most important insights are structural rather than technical. Marko describes the fundamental asymmetry of the conflict with unusual precision: Ukraine's decentralized, startup-driven ecosystem produces new technologies faster than Russia's command economy, but Russia's vertical industrial structure copies and scales those technologies faster than Ukraine can stay ahead. He also expresses genuine alarm about fully autonomous AI drones, not from an ethical standpoint but from a practical one: any autonomous capability Ukraine deploys will be in Russian hands within weeks, making full autonomy a danger Ukraine would share immediately with its enemy.
The episode closes with his most far-reaching argument: just as the internet era created a cybersecurity industry that every organization eventually had to build, the drone era is now beginning, and every government, police force, and major corporation will soon need a drone security department to function safely in a world where drones are as common as smartphones.
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In 5 to 10 Years, Using Weapons Without AI Will Be Considered Unethical | Yaroslav Azhnyuk, The Fourth Law
2026/08/31
A Ukrainian entrepreneur who spent 14 years building cameras for pets pivoted to building cameras that down Shaheds, and is now building the autonomy software that could define how wars are fought for the next generation. Yaroslav Azhnyuk, co-founder of Fourth Law, joins Craig Smith in Kyiv to explain why Ukraine has become what he calls the Defense Valley or the Florence of Defense: a dense, fast-moving ecosystem of founders, engineers, and military operators who are building, testing, and iterating on autonomous drone systems in real combat conditions, with a feedback loop that no defense contractor in the West can currently match.
The conversation covers Azhnyuk's five-level autonomy framework for drones, the eight-dimensional model for what a fully autonomous battlefield ecosystem requires, and the economic math that he believes makes global rearmament inevitable: a $500 drone that can already destroy a $5 million tank becomes roughly 10,000 times more capable when full autonomy is added for a few hundred dollars more. The competitive landscape is mapped with unusual candor, an "Apple vs. Android" comparison between Eric Schmidt's vertically integrated interceptors and Fourth Law's modular platform approach, alongside two arguments that cut against the mainstream narrative. First, that within 5 to 10 years it may become unethical to use weapons without AI, because non-AI weapons cause more collateral damage, not less. And second, that the real AGI risk isn't Skynet, it's the subtle transfer of power that happens when 100 smarter advisors gradually stop waiting for the President to decide, and nobody notices until the President is no longer the one making decisions.
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Inside Ukraine's Azov Drone R&D: The Engineer Building AI Weapons 18 km From the Front Line | Alexander Palamarchuk
2026/08/27
The most consequential arms race in the world right now isn't nuclear, it's software. Craig Smith speaks with Alexander Palamarchuk, an engineer in the R&D department of Ukraine's Azov Brigade, calling in from approximately 18 kilometers from the front line in the Pokrovsk region. What emerges is one of the most technically candid accounts available of what drone warfare actually looks like from the inside: how Ukraine went from homemade reconnaissance drones in 2014 to AI-guided systems being developed and tested in real combat today, how the jamming arms race has forced his unit to develop custom frequency systems spanning 100 to 3,000 megahertz in a constant search for clean windows Russia hasn't yet closed, and why the tank - once the defining weapon of land warfare - has been reduced on the modern battlefield to a mobile jamming platform.
The most important distinction Alexander draws is one that rarely surfaces in mainstream coverage: AI already exists that can recognize and classify vehicles and people with high accuracy. The unsolved problem isn't recognition, it's discrimination, determining with certainty whether a recognized target is military or civilian. That gap is the only thing standing between today's AI-assisted drones and fully autonomous lethal systems, and Alexander puts the timeline for closing it at approximately two years. The US maintains an official policy of not developing fully autonomous lethal weapons for ethical reasons. On the battlefield 18 kilometers from where Alexander is speaking, that policy is being outpaced in real time, and he is clear that NATO's software advantage positions Western countries to win that race before anyone else gets there.
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95% of AI Agent Projects Fail to Reach Production. Here's Why | Manoj Saxena, TrustWise
2026/08/24
It takes a few hours to build an AI agent. It takes six to seven months to get it into production. Manoj Saxena - the executive who commercialized IBM Watson - built TrustWise around one thesis: intelligence without control is not deployable. In this episode, he joins Craig Smith to explain why 95% of enterprise AI agent projects are stalling between pilot and production, and why the answer has nothing to do with the quality of the underlying models. The bottleneck, Saxena argues, is the absence of an entirely new class of infrastructure, something that can evaluate every tool call, every action, every output of every agent at runtime, in milliseconds, against the full stack of alignment requirements that govern what an AI is actually allowed to do inside a real enterprise.
TrustWise's AI Control Tower does that across all vendors and agent frameworks simultaneously, operating in live, sidecar, batch, or simulation mode and aligning agent behavior against six layers of requirements - from UN Human Rights frameworks down to individual customer SLA commitments - in 10 to 300 milliseconds per decision. The conversation covers demonstrated results (83% cost reduction, 40% safety improvement), the token consumption paradox that's making agentic AI far more expensive than expected even as token costs fall, and a milestone Saxena compares to the moment data traffic surpassed voice on AT&T's network: last month, for the first time ever, agent traffic on the internet exceeded human traffic. The episode closes with a preview of Genesis agents, TrustWise's next product, designed not just to prevent bad outcomes but to surface beneficial hypotheses by looking 95 moves deep into enterprise data, in domains like fraud detection and revenue leakage, in the way Deep Blue looked 95 moves deep in chess.
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From Zero to 150 Robots in Just 20 Months | Mike LeBlanc, Foundation Future Industries
2026/08/19
Most humanoid robot companies are still running curated demos in replica environments. Foundation Future Industries is running 150 robots on real automotive production lines in Georgia, and heading to Ukraine this year to deploy on the battlefield. Mike LeBlanc, the co-founder of Foundation Future Industries - currently the only company supplying humanoid robots to the US Department of Defense, with contracts across the Army, Navy, and Air Force, joins Craig Smith to explain why the race is moving faster than almost anyone in the industry believes, and why the companies that are moving cautiously are about to be left behind. His frame is striking: he keeps a framed 1906 New York Times article on his office wall predicting that human flight would take between one million and ten million years. It was published three months before the Wright Brothers flew. He thinks humanoids are in exactly that moment right now.
The conversation covers the full operational picture: how Foundation trains robots using video rather than simulation; why the fry-cook robot that couldn't open the bag of fries is a perfect metaphor for everything wrong with how most companies approach go-to-market in this space; why the human form factor isn't a philosophical preference but an empirical fact, humans are still doing every job in every factory that other robots can't, and that's the proof of concept; and why Mike LeBlanc isn't particularly worried about competing against Boston Dynamics backed by Google DeepMind, because they're still demoing in replica sites while Foundation is deploying on production lines.
The episode ends with a bet: LeBlanc tells Craig that in twelve months, he'll be back to report 10,000 robots deployed in the world. Craig says he remains cautious. One of them is going to be right.
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987362847 2026/02/27
Ahead of the curve
After each podcast I feel well informed. More than just surface level highlighting of latest developments, it presents case studies on how to think a...
Info_Sprinkles 2024/02/07
Fantastic podcast…
Review: bamdiggity!
josepcpea 2023/05/09
Well researched, great quality guests and calm, level headed interviewing
Just what I was looking for.
Awesome McUppercut 2023/03/17
Decent content, editing is terrible
The content itself is okay enough, but the editing of the podcast is quite bad. Random jumps, cut off words, clicks, and moments of silence make it un...
Fred Aebli 2023/01/20
Top Notch Content and No Frills
When delving into the science and industry driving the evolution of artificial intelligence this is a podcast that you want to subscribe. Craig’s kn...
LisaIsHereForIt 2022/01/19
💥Amazing conversations, incredible guests!
Craig and his highly knowledgeable guests take the already fascinating study of AI and bring it to life through engaging and intellectual conversation...
19y.o. learner 2021/07/22
Valuable for me, an AI dilettante.
I’m in college and thinking about pursuing expertise in AI. I just found and want to thank this podcast because this interview (I only listened to one...
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Nice
good selection of guests - big thinkers
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