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2018/12/29
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2026/04/20
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36 min.
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Welcome to the show for seasoned business owners, coaches, and service providers who've been in the game long enough to know that the flashy hustle isn't sustainable — The Experienced Entrepreneur is your weekly refuge. Here, experience is your edge. This is not a show for newbies chasing overnight success; it's a podcast for those who bring wisdom, perspective, and resilience to the long game of entrepreneurship. If you've ever felt unseen in the noise of business marketing, tired of strategies that no longer fit, or ready to recalibrate how your work serves your life — this is where you land. Every Monday, you'll get raw, candid conversations, strategy grounded in lived wisdom, and gentle challenges to rebuild your business with clarity, connection, and integrity. Topics you'll hear here: Business growth strategies tailored for seasoned entrepreneurs How to overcome burnout, stagnation, and pivot fatigue High-touch marketing, relational funnels, and value-based client attraction Balancing scale, purpose, and life integration Collaboration, brand philosophy, and community over competition Whether you're a consultant, coach, or service provider who's built traction but is ready for something deeper — join me. Subscribe now so you never miss an episode, and let this show be your anchor and your catalyst in the work that matters.

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Hidden Skills you Build During the Growth Stage of Business
2026/04/20
What if the work you're doing right now in growth stage is building the competencies you'll need for the next twenty years of business? In this episode, Marissa breaks down the hidden skills you're developing in growth stage that are quieter and harder to measure than the visible skills you built in the early years. She explains why build stage teaches you what to sell while growth stage teaches you how to lead, why you're learning to see patterns in your data instead of just numbers, and why the resilience you're building now is about identity, not just bouncing back from failure. You'll hear why growth stage is the only phase where you have the space and stability to develop these competencies, why learning to make decisions in ambiguity by trusting your data is a CEO-level skill, and why the entrepreneurs who take this stage seriously are the ones still standing in twenty years. This episode is for experienced entrepreneurs who feel like they're in a holding pattern, who wonder if they're learning anything new, and who need to understand that the mastery they're building right now is what makes sustainable scaling possible. What You'll Learn Understand why the skills you're building in growth stage are quieter and harder to measure than build stage skills, but far more valuable for long-term success Discover the difference between skills (knowing how) and competencies (mastery), and why growth stage is where you move from one to the other Learn why build stage teaches you what to sell while growth stage teaches you how to lead your sales and make strategic decisions Find out how you're learning to see patterns in your data instead of just numbers, and why that shift makes you a data-driven decision maker Hear why the resilience you're building in growth stage is about identity and self-assurance, not just bouncing back from failure Get clarity on why growth stage is the only phase where you have the space and stability to learn how to scale without losing yourself Understand how these competencies compound and set you up for the next twenty years of sustainable business leadership Featured Quote "Build stage teaches you what to sell. Growth stage teaches you how to lead. In build stage, you got the peg in the hole. In growth stage, it's about making that peg locked in that hole even better, even richer, even more masterful." Resources + Links Mentioned Monday Meeting: https://marissalawton.com/monday-meeting
Settling In Is Not the Same as Settling: Why Growth Stage Entrepreneurs Become Magnetic
2026/04/13
Episode Summary What if the most powerful thing you could do to grow your business right now isn't chasing more, but settling into what you've already built? In this episode, Marissa makes the case for why settling in is not the same as settling, and why growth stage entrepreneurs who commit to refining what they've built become magnetic. She breaks down the difference between chasing (scattered, reactive energy) and attracting (grounded, intentional energy), and why your ideal clients can feel the difference. You'll hear why the industry doesn't celebrate growth stage (there's no money in telling you to slow down), why settling into your offers and audience creates a competitive advantage everyone else is skipping, and why refinement isn't maintenance work, it's leadership. This episode is for experienced entrepreneurs who are tired of the frantic energy of chasing the next thing, who want to build businesses people trust instead of businesses that burn out, and who are ready to understand that ambition and settling in are not mutually exclusive. What You'll Learn Understand why settling in is not the same as settling, and why doubling down on what you've built makes you magnetic instead of stagnant Discover the difference between chasing (frantic, scattered energy) and attracting (grounded, self-assured energy), and why your ideal clients feel the difference Learn why the industry doesn't talk about growth stage (there's no money in telling you to slow down) and why that means most entrepreneurs skip the competitive advantage you're building Find out why refinement isn't maintenance work, it's strategic leadership that separates sustainable entrepreneurs from those who burn out Hear why having a relationship with your business means knowing exactly what it needs moment to moment, especially as you remove yourself from daily operations Get clarity on why the entrepreneurs who legitimize growth stage are the ones still standing in ten years, not the ones who scaled into chaos Featured Quote "When you settle into your business, you stop chasing and you start attracting. Your energy grounds. You become more self-assured. And your ideal client feels that. They're drawn to the grounded energy of someone who knows what they're doing instead of the frantic energy of someone running in ten directions at once." Resources + Links Mentioned Monday Meeting: https://marissalawton.com/monday-meeting Book a Clarity Call: https://calendar.app.google/W2iLo7PbNNosQ6e88
From Guessing to Hypothesizing: You're the Scientist Now
2026/04/06
You know what you sell, who buys it, and how to deliver it. But there's a gap between where your business is and how you're showing up to lead it. In this episode, Marissa introduces the petri dish analogy that changes everything: in build stage, you're inside the petri dish as one of the variables in the experiment. In growth stage, you become the scientist running the experiment. She breaks down why taking responsibility for your business doesn't mean you can't acknowledge external factors, it means you stop using them as excuses. You'll hear about the three barriers that keep entrepreneurs stuck in builder mode (fear of failure, fear of losing freedom, and fear of looking arrogant), why the CEO shift is uncomfortable because you can't hide behind "I don't know" anymore, and what changes when you move from guessing to hypothesizing. This episode is for experienced entrepreneurs who are running businesses that need a CEO but are still showing up as a builder, who feel the weight of responsibility but don't know how to step into ownership without losing their freedom, and who are ready to stop reacting and start leading. What You'll Learn Understand the petri dish analogy that explains the shift from build stage to growth stage (you go from being a variable in the experiment to being the scientist running it) Discover the three barriers that keep entrepreneurs stuck in builder mode: fear of failure, fear of losing freedom, and fear of looking arrogant before you've "earned it" Learn the difference between acknowledging external factors and using them as excuses (a builder says "I had a bad quarter because the market was bad," a CEO says "I had a bad quarter and here's what I'm adjusting") Find out why you can't hide behind "I don't know" anymore when you have years of data, patterns, and experience guiding your decisions Hear the shift from guessing to hypothesizing and why that changes how you introduce new offers, navigate market conditions, and make strategic decisions Get clarity on what it means to lead your business instead of just react to it, and why that's the skill that makes scaling sustainable Featured Quote "You shift from being a variable inside the petri dish to being the scientist running the experiment. You're not experimenting anymore in the same way. You've gone from guessing to hypothesizing." Resources + Links Mentioned Monday Meeting: https://marissalawton.com/monday-meeting Book a Clarity Call: https://calendar.app.google/W2iLo7PbNNosQ6e88
From Fluke to Framework: the Kay to Repeatable Results in your Business
2026/03/30
What if the success you've been calling luck is actually a system you built without realizing it? In this episode, Marissa tackles the "fluke mindset" that keeps experienced entrepreneurs stuck in build stage thinking even when they're years into business. She breaks down why dismissing your wins as accidents keeps you from investigating the patterns that actually drive your results, and why shifting from "fluke thinking" to "framework thinking" is the first step in becoming a growth stage entrepreneur. You'll hear about the CEO shift that happens when you stop attributing success to timing and start taking responsibility for replicating it, why your wins aren't random even if they feel that way, and what changes when you start analyzing patterns instead of hoping magic strikes twice. This episode is for entrepreneurs who have consistent sales but still feel like they don't know if they can do it again, who attribute their best months to luck instead of skill, and who are ready to build frameworks that make success repeatable instead of random. What You'll Learn Understand why the "it's a fluke" mindset keeps you operating with build stage energy even when you're years into business Discover the patterns that are actually driving your success and why you haven't been able to see them yet Learn the CEO shift that happens when you stop calling wins flukes and start taking responsibility for replicating them Find out what intermediate skills growth stage entrepreneurs build that make scaling sustainable instead of chaotic Hear why your clients aren't random, your easy months aren't accidents, and your success is based on patterns you can investigate and replicate Get actionable reflection questions to help you identify one pattern you can investigate this week to replicate your best results Featured Quote "You didn't get here by accident. The clients who say yes to you aren't random. The months where revenue feels easy aren't flukes. There are patterns driving your results, and growth stage is where you learn to see them." Resources + Links Mentioned Monday Meeting: https://marissalawton.com/monday-meeting Book a Clarity Call: https://calendar.app.google/W2iLo7PbNNosQ6e88
You're Not Ready to "Scale" Your Business, Here's What to do Instead
2026/03/23
If you're making money online, you probably think the next step in your business is to scale. Well, this episode is going to shift your entire perspective. Marissa breaks down the three stages of business (build, grow, scale) and explains why most entrepreneurs skip the growth stage entirely, jumping straight from build to scale and breaking everything in the process. She introduces the industry lie that once you're making money, it's time to scale, and explains why growth stage (the unsexy, unglamorous stage of analyzing and optimizing) is the foundation that makes sustainable scaling actually possible. You'll hear why skipping growth stage costs you in time, money, and wellbeing, what analyzing and optimizing actually look like in practice, and why refining your foundation now sets you up to scale faster and further later. This episode is for experienced entrepreneurs who are past the build stage but aren't ready to pour gasoline on a system that hasn't been refined yet. If you've been chasing the sexy promise of scaling, this is your reality check and your roadmap forward. What You'll Learn Discover the three stages of business (build, grow, scale) and why the growth stage is the most skipped and least talked about stage in online business Learn the industry lie that's pushing experienced entrepreneurs to scale before they're ready and why "if you're not scaling, you're stagnating" is costing you money and wellbeing Understand what actually happens in growth stage, and why refining your foundation is the key to sustainable scaling Find out the real cost of skipping growth stage, from wasted ad spend on unconverted funnels to hiring teams to execute inefficiency at scale Hear Marissa's radio tuning analogy that makes the concept of growth stage crystal clear (and why you don't want to amplify static) Identify what would break in your business if everything was 10x bigger tomorrow and why that's the exact reason you need growth stage first Featured Quote "Build stage is about figuring out what to sell and who to sell it to. Growth stage is about refining how you sell it and making it profitable. Scaling is about doing more of what's already working. Skip growth stage, and you're just doing more of what's broken." Resources + Links Mentioned Monday Meeting: https://marissalawton.com/monday-meeting Book a Clarity Call: https://calendar.app.google/W2iLo7PbNNosQ6e88
Cash Runway, Gross Profit & Financial Strategy with Kristen Hillman
2026/03/09
Cash reserves, gross profit, and knowing whether you're building an enterprise or an owner-driven business might sound like advanced financial concepts, but according to Kristen Hillman of Veticula Financial, they're the foundational metrics every growth-stage entrepreneur needs to understand. In this episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton sits down with Kristen to unpack the "golden triangle" of financial advisors (CPA, wealth planner, and fractional CFO), why your cash runway should include your own pay (not just operating costs), and how to navigate the current "trust recession" by owning your community and making calm, data-informed decisions. Kristen breaks down the difference between scalable enterprise businesses and owner-defined lifestyle businesses, explains how to allocate net profit strategically, and shares why understanding your gross profit is the key to identifying which offers are actually profitable. If you've been running your business on vibes and bank account balances instead of real financial clarity, this conversation is the wake-up call you need. What You'll Learn Discover the "golden triangle" of financial advisors and why fractional CFO services fill the critical gap between your CPA and your wealth planner once you hit $500k in revenue Learn how to calculate and maintain a cash runway of three to six months (including your own pay, not just operating costs) and why tapping into it is a sign of good planning, not failure Understand the difference between enterprise businesses (built to scale and sell) and owner-defined businesses (built to fund your lifestyle and retirement) and why this distinction changes every financial decision you make Find out how to allocate net profit strategically using the 30/20/50 framework (taxes, cash reserve, owner compensation) and when to build in "fun money" for spontaneity Identify why gross profit (revenue minus cost to deliver) is the most important number for service-based businesses with teams, and how it reveals which offers are actually profitable Navigate the current "trust recession" in the online space by owning your community off social media and making decisions from data instead of panic Featured Quote "Without intentionality, we risk becoming slaves to our own businesses. Your business should always support you personally, not the other way around." Resources + Links Mentioned Kristen Hillman's website: https://veticularfinancial.com Connect with Kristen on LinkedIn Money Personality Quiz (link provided by Kristen) Monday Meeting: https://marissalawton.com/monday-meeting Book a Clarity Call: https://calendar.app.google/W2iLo7PbNNosQ6e88 Connect With Marissa Website: https://marissalawton.com
A Peek Inside the My Favorite Metric Summit
2026/02/23
This week on The Experienced Entrepreneur, we're doing something a little different. The My Favorite Metric summit kicked off this week, and if you've been curious about what it's all about, this episode gives you a full look inside. Marissa walks you through the structure of the five-day event, who it's designed for (spoiler: growth-stage entrepreneurs, not newbies), and why she built it without the typical summit pressure tactics like disappearing content or forced upsells. You'll hear about the four themed days covering lead acquisition, engagement, sales and profit, and lifestyle metrics, plus the live panel happening Friday where 25 experienced entrepreneurs will answer your real-time questions. If you've been on the fence about signing up or you're already registered and want to know how to get the most out of the week, this episode is your orientation guide. And if you're a regular listener who just wants to know what Marissa's been building for the last few months, this is your behind-the-scenes peek. What You'll Learn Discover the difference between build-stage and growth-stage entrepreneurs and why metrics matter so much more once you've hit the growth stage Learn why this summit has no disappearing content, no all-access upsells, and no artificial urgency (and what Marissa believes about creating longer-lasting, more substantial resources) Understand the four categories of metrics covered across the summit days and why each one matters for sustainable business growth Find out how to make the most of the live panel on Friday and why showing up prepared with questions is where the real value lives Hear Marissa's full business journey (therapy license, military spouse life, eleven years online) and the values that ground everything she teaches Featured Quote "If you have everything in place — tons of leads, tons of exposure, tons of revenue — but you hate your life, then you don't have a successful business." Resources + Links Mentioned My Favorite Metric Summit (free, Feb 23–27): https://marissalawton.com/metric Register here: https://marissalawton.myflodesk.com/w4a2gvsnii The Decision Dashboard (free tracker): https://marissalawton.com/dashboard Live Panel: Friday, February 27th at 10am PT / 1pm ET Connect with Marissa: https://marissalawton.com Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-experienced-entrepreneur/id1448104773
The Metrics Myth Keeping Entrepreneurs in the Dark
2026/02/16
If you've ever said "I'm just not a numbers person" — this episode is going to gently, but firmly, challenge that. For experienced entrepreneurs, the belief that metrics are complicated, cold, or designed for someone else is one of the most costly myths in business. Not because tracking is hard, but because the story we tell ourselves about it keeps us from accessing the clearest signal our business has to offer. In this episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton breaks down where the "I'm not a metrics person" identity actually comes from, what it's quietly costing you in today's market, and what it really looks like to build a simple, sustainable metrics practice — one that doesn't require a finance degree or hours of spreadsheet time. If your business has been trying to talk to you through your numbers and you've been leaving it on read, this is the episode that changes that. What You'll Learn Discover where the "I'm not a numbers person" belief actually comes from — and why it has nothing to do with your actual ability to track your business Learn why instinct alone was enough in a booming market but why today's business climate demands a simple, consistent data practice Understand the difference between complicated data analysis and the kind of light-touch metrics tracking that experienced entrepreneurs actually need Identify the signals you're already reading in your business every day — and what it would mean to have a consistent way to capture them Find out what a sustainable monthly metrics practice actually looks like, and why you don't have to do it alone Featured Quote "Your numbers aren't a test you have to pass — they're the most honest conversation your business is trying to have with you." Resources + Links Mentioned My Favorite Metric Summit (free, Feb 23–27): https://marissalawton.com/metric Register here: https://marissalawton.myflodesk.com/w4a2gvsnii Monday Meeting: https://marissalawton.com/monday-meeting Book a Clarity Call: https://calendar.app.google/W2iLo7PbNNosQ6e88
Human-Centered Sales in a Post-Algorithm Market - with Megan Smyth
2026/02/09
In this episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton sits down with Megan Smyth to unpack what's actually working in sales right now — and why many experienced business owners are quietly moving away from social media–dependent strategies. Megan shares the story of losing every copywriting client in a single week and how that moment forced her to confront a hard truth: relying on referrals without a system is not a strategy. Instead of doubling down on platforms she hated, Megan rebuilt her sales process around what felt sustainable, human, and repeatable — and went on to have her first six-figure year without social media driving demand. Together, Marissa and Megan explore: Why social media often functions as a vanity metric rather than a profit driver How personalized, high-touch sales processes are outperforming automated funnels The role of metrics in choosing the right platform for your business Why messaging drives over 90% of conversion rates, regardless of launch length How lifestyle metrics reveal whether your sales strategy actually supports your life This conversation is especially relevant for experienced entrepreneurs navigating a quieter market, longer sales cycles, and rising skepticism from buyers. Instead of chasing visibility for visibility's sake, Megan makes a compelling case for building sales systems rooted in clarity, consistency, and human connection. Megan is also a featured presenter at the My Favorite Metric Summit, where she goes deeper into the metrics that reveal whether your sales strategy is actually working — and how to refine it without burning yourself out. Listen in to learn how to sell in a way that aligns with your values, your capacity, and the kind of business you actually want to sustain. If this conversation resonated, you'll love what's coming next. My Favorite Metric is a free, week-long audio summit for experienced business owners who want clearer signals and calmer decision-making inside their business. Each day focuses on a different category of metrics — from lead acquisition and nurture to sales, profit, and lifestyle — so you can understand what actually deserves your attention right now. Megan Smyth is one of the featured presenters, sharing the specific metrics she uses to guide human-centered, high-conversion sales without relying on social media. The summit runs February 23–27, 2026, and all sessions remain available once you register. Sign up for free at marissalawton.com/myfavoritemetric
Behind the Scenes of Monday Meeting: What We're Doing Inside the Founding Round
2026/02/02
In this behind-the-scenes episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton pulls back the curtain on the first few weeks of the Monday Meeting founding round. Instead of theory or hype, this episode shares what's actually happening inside the container: how the Decision Dashboard is being used in real businesses, what patterns are emerging through live dashboard reviews, and why Monday Meeting was intentionally designed as an accountability and community-based mentorship rather than a content-heavy membership. Marissa walks through two real examples from recent one-on-one sessions: How Jennifer used two Decision Dashboards, one for her private practice and one for her online business, to compare overhead, profitability, and intentionally reduce her caseload while maintaining stability How Eric re-engaged with his business after a quieter season by breaking down referral sources to see which relationships were truly generating leads and where to focus next The episode also explores: Why metrics are meant to support clarity, not pressure How intuition and data work best together in growth-stage businesses What makes Monday Meeting different from typical online memberships Why community and accountability matter more than content at this stage of entrepreneurship This conversation is for experienced business owners who are ready to stop guessing, start leading with clarity, and build sustainable growth without hustle or overwhelm. Call to Action (at the end of show notes) If this episode resonated, enrollment for Monday Meeting is opening soon. During February, waitlist members receive 50% off founding enrollment. After February 28, pricing doubles. Join the waitlist here: 👉 https://marissalawton.com/waitlist
Make Better Business Decisions Part 4: Lifestyle
2026/01/26
Lifestyle and energy are often treated as personal concerns, separate from "real" business metrics. But for experienced entrepreneurs, they are some of the earliest and most honest indicators of how a business is actually functioning. In this episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton explores why lifestyle and energy deserve a permanent place inside your business metrics system — and what happens when you ignore them for too long. Rather than framing energy as a mindset issue or a self-care problem, this conversation positions lifestyle metrics as leading indicators. They often show signs of strain, misalignment, or unsustainable growth long before revenue dips or engagement drops. Marissa shares how she tracks lifestyle and energy inside the Decision Dashboard, why these metrics matter just as much as leads and sales, and how paying attention to them helps business owners make steadier, earlier decisions without waiting for burnout to force change. This episode is especially for business owners who: Feel successful on paper but depleted in real life Want their business to support their actual capacity Sense misalignment but cannot pinpoint why Are tired of separating "business growth" from well-being Inside this episode, we explore: What lifestyle and energy metrics actually look like in practice Why they are predictive, not reactive How they interact with lead acquisition, nurture, and sales What happens when these signals are ignored How tracking them creates more sustainable growth over time This episode completes a January series exploring the four core categories of the Decision Dashboard: Lead Acquisition, Lead Nurture, Sales & Profit, and Lifestyle & Energy. If you want your business to grow without quietly costing you your capacity, this episode will help you see why these metrics matter — and how to work with them intentionally. Download the Decision Dashboard at marissalawton.com/dashboard
Make Better Business Decisions Part 3: Sales & Profit
2026/01/19
Sales numbers can look fine on the surface and still leave you feeling uneasy. For experienced entrepreneurs, sales and profit are not just outcomes. They are signals — indicators of alignment, capacity, sustainability, and decision quality over time. In this episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton breaks down how to think about sales and profit metrics beyond "did it work or not." Instead of treating revenue as a scorecard, this conversation reframes sales data as information that helps you lead your business more intentionally. You'll hear why many seasoned business owners feel confused or reactive around sales even when they are making good money, and how tracking sales and profit in isolation creates unnecessary pressure. Marissa shares exactly what she tracks inside the Decision Dashboard, why profit margin matters just as much as revenue, and how sales metrics reveal patterns long before something feels wrong. This episode is especially for business owners who: Are making sales but feel unsure about sustainability Want clearer insight into what is actually driving revenue Feel tension between growth and capacity Are ready to move past hustle-based sales thinking Inside this episode, we explore: Which sales and profit metrics actually matter in a mature business Why profit margin is a leadership metric, not a bonus How sales patterns reveal alignment issues early What happens when you do not track sales intentionally How a centralized metrics system supports calmer decisions This conversation is part of a January series exploring the four core categories of the Decision Dashboard: Lead Acquisition, Lead Nurture, Sales & Profit, and Lifestyle & Energy. If you want your sales numbers to support steadier growth instead of emotional whiplash, this episode will help you see them differently. Download the Decision Dashboard at marissalawton.com/dashboard
Make Better Business Decisions Part 2: Engagement
2026/01/12
Lead nurture is not about posting more, emailing more, or staying visible at all costs. For experienced entrepreneurs, lead nurture is about trust, continuity, and relationship — and when it's working, it should feel steady, not exhausting. In this episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton explores what lead nurture really looks like once your business has matured past hustle-based marketing. Rather than focusing on engagement hacks or content volume, this conversation reframes lead nurture as a signal-based system that helps you understand how your audience is actually responding over time. You'll hear why inconsistent engagement is rarely a motivation problem and more often a visibility and interpretation problem, especially when metrics are scattered or tracked in isolation. Marissa shares what she personally tracks inside the Decision Dashboard, how those metrics reveal trust patterns long before sales are made, and why nurture should support your energy instead of draining it. This episode is especially for business owners who: Feel like they are "showing up" but unsure what's landing Want to build trust without performing online Are tired of chasing engagement without context Want a calmer, more sustainable way to nurture leads over time Inside this episode, we explore: What lead nurture actually measures in a mature business Why engagement metrics only make sense when viewed longitudinally How nurture metrics reveal readiness, trust, and timing What happens when you don't intentionally track nurture signals How a centralized metrics system changes how you show up This conversation is part of a January series breaking down the four core categories of the Decision Dashboard: Lead Acquisition, Lead Nurture, Sales & Profit, and Lifestyle & Energy. If you want to build trust without burning yourself out — and understand what your audience is telling you before they ever buy — this episode will meet you right where you are. Download the Decision Dashboard at marissalawton.com/dashboard
BONUS EPISODE: Rant on the Amy Porterfield Jenna Kutcher Drama
2026/01/08
Bonus Episode: The Market Shift, "Dead" Business Models, and What's Actually Changing In this spontaneous bonus episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton shares an unscripted, candid reflection on the current market shift and the growing narrative that "courses are dead," "podcasts are dead," or that entire business models are suddenly no longer viable. Drawing on more than a decade of experience in online business, formal business education, and firsthand work across industries like real estate and mental health, Marissa brings much-needed context, nuance, and perspective to a conversation that's often dominated by fear-based headlines and clickbait marketing. This episode is not about declaring what's over. It's about naming what has actually changed. Marissa speaks directly to the wave of commentary circulating around well-known educators and creators like Amy Porterfield and Jenna Kutcher, whose long-standing business models are often used as "proof" that courses, podcasts, or education-based businesses no longer work. Instead of participating in takedown culture or oversimplified conclusions, Marissa invites listeners to look more closely at what's really happening beneath the surface. She explains why the last few years felt unusually easy for many business owners, how the economic expansion of 2020–2022 distorted expectations, and why today's contraction is exposing gaps in sales skill, business acumen, and strategic discernment. The issue is not that trusted educators or proven models suddenly failed. The issue is that the ease with which people used to buy has changed. As purchasing power tightens and buyers become more thoughtful, success now requires stronger positioning, deeper trust, clearer leadership, and a willingness to re-engage with the fundamentals of running a business rather than relying on momentum alone. Businesses built during or optimized for an anomalous market are now being asked to mature. Throughout the episode, Marissa draws parallels between the online business space and more established industries like real estate and therapy, showing how cyclical markets, regional differences, and skill development play out across sectors. She reframes today's challenges not as a collapse, but as a return to reality — one where staying power matters more than trends. The takeaway is clear: courses aren't dead, podcasts aren't dead, and education-based businesses aren't disappearing. What is fading is the era of passive promises, thin differentiation, and selling without depth. This conversation is especially relevant for experienced business owners who feel unsettled by slower sales, longer decision cycles, or shifting buyer behavior and are questioning whether the problem is their offer or something larger at play. In this episode, Marissa explores: Why calling entire business models "dead" oversimplifies a much larger market shift How well-known educators are often unfairly used as symbols for broader industry fear What's actually disappearing in the online business space and why it feels destabilizing How economic contraction and headline culture are influencing buyer behavior Why sales skill and business acumen matter more now than ever How to stop personalizing market shifts and start responding strategically What it really takes to build staying power in this season of business If you've felt shaken by recent changes or tempted to believe that the path forward has vanished, this episode offers clarity, reassurance, and a grounded reframe of what's actually being asked of experienced entrepreneurs now. Your next chapter doesn't demand panic or reinvention. It asks for discernment, skill, and leadership rooted in reality. Your business is steadier than the hustle, wiser than the hacks, and clearer than the guesswork.
Make Better Business Decisions Part 1: Lead Acquisition
2026/01/05
Since you've been in business for a while, you already know that "getting more leads" isn't the be-all-end-all solution some coaches say it is. The real challenge is knowing what kind of leads you're attracting, where they're coming from, and whether your lead flow is actually supporting sustainable business growth — or quietly working against it. In this episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, I kick off a four-part January series about making better business decisions starting with Lead Acquisition. This conversation is for seasoned online business owners who are tired of guessing, reacting, or chasing visibility trends — and want a calmer, more intentional way to understand what's driving growth in their business. Rather than tracking vanity metrics or obsessing over algorithms, I share what I actually measures inside my metrics tracker Decision Dashboard, why those metrics matter, and how they reveal early signals about what's working and what's not, before things feel urgent. Inside this episode, you'll learn: What lead acquisition really means at this stage of business Which lead metrics Marissa tracks — and why she chose them How tracking lead sources over time changes your marketing decisions The early indicators that show whether growth is sustainable or shaky What happens when you don't track lead acquisition intentionally How the Decision Dashboard acts as a monthly business hub you can return to again and again This episode isn't about doing more marketing. It's about seeing clearly, so you can grow your business with steadiness instead of scramble. If you've been craving a grounded way to understand your numbers without pressure, this episode will help you orient yourself and show you how metrics can become a tool for clarity, not judgment. Listen now and learn how lead acquisition metrics support long-term business growth. Want your own clear, centralized way to track these metrics month after month? You can explore and download your free copy of the Decision Dashboard at marissalawton.com/dashboard. It's designed to help experienced entrepreneurs see what's actually happening inside their business, calmly and clearly.

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4.9 out of 5
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jenifla 2022/12/09
A must listen!
This podcast is such a valuable resource to therapeutic entrepreneurs!
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JoyceA1228 2022/07/19
Motivational and Tangible Action Steps!
I absolutely LOVE Marissa’s podcast! She brings not only a ton of knowledge, but also motivation and authenticity to therapists looking for more in th...
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Eric42537 2021/10/18
Super helpful and inspirational
I love Marissa’s podcast. Every time I listen to an ep I feel like I’m getting free business coaching. Her transparency about her own journey is so re...
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meso21 2021/04/16
Awesome Information
Great podcast, Melissa really knows her stuff when it comes to helping therapists create alternate income streams!
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DDDW111 2021/04/16
Tremendous Value
Marissa shares tons of relatable experience. Each episode has actionable steps to implement no matter the stage of your side hustle. I love when a new...
★★★★★
BellaDancerella123 2021/04/15
Love this podcast!
Melissa has helped me so much over the past few years through this podcast and her videos on Facebook. She has a wealth of knowledge that she shares f...
★★★★★
Kwarren22 2021/04/13
Relatable
I love this podcast and it has made me consider my move from therapy to coaching. Marissa is so relatable as a mom, therapist, and military spouse!
★★★★★
Uhleetaw 2021/04/13
If you aren’t listening, you should be!
This podcast has been an essential part of my learning and growth in the last year as I’ve taken the leap into my online business. Marisa is engaging ...
★★★★★
stephanielucas 2021/04/12
So inspiring
I turned to Marissa’s podcast because I had no clue where to start and a billion ideas in my head. She is so inspiring and knowledgeable! Love it!!
★★★★★
groovingal 2021/04/12
Let Marissa Explain It All
If you are a therapist considering a move into the world of online coaching or other services, this podcast is gold. Marissa Lawton has been there her...
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