You don't need another budget… you need to feel safe with money.
It's Not About The Money is a podcast on women and money mindset for business owners who are done with overgiving, undercharging, and hitting the same income ceiling. Here we talk about the patterns behind your finances and the practical steps to make more, keep more, invest, and build wealth with confidence. We also cover topics around financial coaching and self sabotage with mindset and somatic money incuding nervous system and psychology.
Hosted by Catherine Morgan, author, award-winning Financial Wellbeing Speaker, Financial Coach, and trauma-informed coach.
Formerly the In Her Financial Shoes Podcast.
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Why You Swing Between Controlling Money and Avoiding It (Fearful Avoidant Attachment)
2026/10/05
In this episode, I explore the emotional and psychological patterns behind money behaviors, focusing on the fearful avoidant attachment style. I share personal stories and signs to recognize these patterns, offering insights into how to notice and break free from cycles of financial anxiety and avoidance.
Chapters 00:00 Introduction to emotional money patterns
02:10 The ping-pong relationship with money
04:43 Signs of fearful avoidant attachment to money
07:10 Emotional triggers behind spending decisions
09:52 The cycle of control and avoidance
12:37 Why discipline alone doesn't fix money patterns
14:13 Building financial self-trust
16:41 The influence of childhood and upbringing
18:19 Moving towards balance and self-awareness
20:27 Practical steps to notice and pause
Resources: Join the Money Circle - Our free monthly calls
Discover The Body of Wealth
Take the Money StoryTypes® quiz and discover your Money StoryType
Watch episode one in this series: The 4 Money Attachment Styles (And How To Spot Yours)
Watch episode two in this series: Why Knowing You're Financially Safe Doesn't Make You Feel Safe
Why Knowing You're Financially Safe Doesn't Make You Feel Safe
2026/09/28
In this episode, I explore the emotional side of financial safety, attachment styles, and how our feelings about money often don't match our actual financial situation. I share insights on how to build trust in ourselves and experience financial security beyond numbers.
Chapters 00:00 Introduction to emotional safety and money
02:01 The disconnect between financial facts and feelings
03:49 Attachment styles and their influence on money behavior
06:11 The anxious attachment style and fear of loss
08:52 Trust, trustworthiness, and financial decision-making
12:07 The impact of financial milestones on emotional safety
15:13 Recognizing and sitting with financial discomfort
18:09 The importance of lived experience over reassurance
21:12 Building a secure relationship with money
24:08 Practical steps to notice and bridge the gap
Resources: Join the Money Circle - Our free monthly calls
Discover The Body of Wealth
Take the Money StoryTypes® quiz and discover your Money StoryType
Attached by Amir Levine and Rachel Heller, and my episode on the best money books that aren't about money
Catch up on my Who Do You Trust With Your Money episode
Watch episode one in this series: The 4 Money Attachment Styles (And How To Spot Yours)
The 4 Money Attachment Styles (And How To Spot Yours)
2026/09/21
In this episode, I explore how attachment styles influence our relationship with money, revealing patterns that can help us understand and improve our financial behaviors.
Chapters 00:00 Introduction and personal story
01:07 Why attachment styles matter in money
02:33 The four attachment styles and their relevance to money
04:37 The anxious attachment style and its signs
14:54 The avoidant attachment style and avoidance behaviors
18:33 The cycle of financial yo-yoing and emotional patterns
24:01 The secure attachment style and emotional regulation
28:37 Recognizing your current attachment style and next steps
Resources: Join the Money Circle - Our free monthly calls
Discover The Body of Wealth
Read Attached
Catch up on last weeks episode - Who Do You Trust With Your Money
Uncover the best books that teach you about money that are not money books
Who Do You Trust With Your Money?
2026/09/14
In this episode, I delve into the complex relationship between trust and money. I explore who we trust with our finances, the importance of self-trust, and how our emotional attachments to money influence our financial decisions. The conversation highlights the need for a deeper understanding of our relationship with money, especially in times of uncertainty, and sets the stage for future discussions on money psychology and financial independence.
Chapters
00:00 Exploring Trust in Financial Relationships
08:08 The Importance of Self-Trust with Money
12:57 Understanding Attachments to Money
Resources:
Join the Money Circle - Our free monthly calls
Discover The Body of Wealth
Money, Independence and Caring For A Parent with Jayne Sibley, Sibstar
2026/09/07
financial tool supporting vulnerable individuals. This episode explores the importance of independence, safety, and innovative solutions in financial inclusion for at-risk groups.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Jane and her story
01:45 Caregiving challenges and personal motivation
04:12 The problem of financial management for vulnerable adults
07:12 Experiences with scams and managing risks
09:47 Initial workarounds and their limitations
13:03 Deciding to create a solution and the journey to Dragon's Den
17:10 The impact of public exposure and support from investors
20:11 Why widening access to financial tools matters
22:52 Features of the Sibstar debit card and app
25:45 How to approach conversations about financial safety
30:01 The social impact of empowering vulnerable populations
32:57 Navigating caregiving responsibilities and financial planning
35:14 Next steps for Sibstar and future collaborations
36:12 Closing thoughts and encouragement for caregivers
Resources:
Join the Money Circle - Our free monthly calls
Discover The Body of Wealth
Learn more about Sibstar
See Jayne on Dragon's Den
Connect with Sibstar on LinkedIn
Connect with Sibstar on Instagram
Read How to talk about money with someone you care for
The Part Of You That Doesn't Feel Worthy Of Money
2026/08/31
I explore the deep connection between worthiness and money, offering practical and mindset strategies to overcome financial fears rooted in systemic and personal beliefs. This episode provides insights into how to reframe your relationship with money and increase your capacity for abundance.
Chapters 02:10 Understanding Internal Family Systems and Money Blocks
03:53 Systemic Influences on Women's Financial Beliefs
05:57 The Power of Past Tense Visualization
07:55 Using the Reticular Activating System to Achieve Goals
09:53 Practicing Visualization and Role-Playing
11:51 Recognizing Feelings of Excitement and Contraction
14:11 The Role of EFT Tapping in Releasing Money Blocks
15:57 Creating a Sense of Safety and Worthiness
18:10 The Importance of Relaxing the Nervous System
20:05 Practical Steps to Increase Worthiness
21:52 Community Resources and Next Steps
Resources: Join the Money Circle - Our free monthly calls
Discover The Body of Wealth
Why Irregular Income Feels Like Panic (Even in a Good Month)
2026/08/24
In this episode I explore how irregular income impacts emotional well-being and provides practical strategies to create financial stability. I share insights on managing money anxiety, establishing reference points, and building resilience with actionable tips.
Chapters 00:00 – Introduction to Irregular Income and Its Challenges
00:28 – The Emotional and Physical Toll of Fluctuating Income
01:22 – Three Numbers to Bring Financial Certainty
04:18 – Why Earning More Doesn't Reduce Stress
08:24 – An Alternative to Traditional Budgeting
13:40 – Using Separate Accounts for Security
18:32 – Regulating and Naming Money Feelings
23:25 – Practical Tools and What's Next
Resources: Join the Money Circle - Our free monthly calls
Discover The Body of Wealth
The Best Money Books Are Not About Money
2026/08/17
In this conversation, I explore the intricate relationship between money and emotions, emphasising how our financial behaviors are influenced by attachment styles, internal conflicts, inherited beliefs, and systemic issues. I discuss various books that have shaped my understanding of these connections, highlighting the importance of recognising the emotional and psychological aspects of money management.
Chapters
00:00 Understanding Money and Emotions
02:45 Attachment Theory and Money
06:01 Internal Conflicts and Money Behavior
11:05 Inherited Patterns and Money Beliefs
17:38 The Concept of Enoughness
21:07 The Role of Systems in Financial Behavior
Resources:
Join the Money Circle - Our free monthly calls
Discover The Body of Wealth
BOOKS MENTIONED:
1. Attached, by Amir Levine & Rachel Heller (2010)
2. No Bad Parts, by Richard Schwartz (2021)
3. It Didn't Start With You, by Mark Wolynn (2016)
4. The Power of Enough, by Elizabeth Husserl (2025)
5. Conscious Capitalism, by John Mackey & Raj Sisodia (2013)
Plus: It's Not About the Money: 3 Steps to Become a Wealthy Woman, by Catherine Morgan
How to Stop Worrying About Money: The One Question That Changes Everything with Jesse Mecham, founder of YNAB
2026/08/10
In this episode, Catherine is joined by Jesse Mecham who shares insights from his journey with money, the importance of understanding what money is for, and how to develop a healthy relationship with it through a simple yet powerful question: 'What is it for?' Discover practical frameworks and personal stories that can transform your approach to money.
Chapters 00:00 Introduction: Why Money Is More Than Numbers
01:07 Jesse's Journey: From Basement Spreadsheet to YNAB
02:20 Early Money Memories and Realizations
04:45 Money as a Skill: Learning to Swim
06:35 Aligning Money Decisions with Values
08:23 Money as a Reflection of Self
13:03 The Power of the Question: What's It For?
17:00 The Framework of Five Money Pots
23:22 Decentralization and Trust in Money
33:59 Legacy and Personal Purpose in Money
Resources: Join the Money Circle - Our free monthly calls
About Jesse Mecham: Jesse Mecham is the founder of the beloved money app YNAB, bestselling author, and host of the top-rated podcast The Jesse Mecham Show. As seen in WIRED, Fortune, and The New York Times, Jesse is a leading voice in the personal finance space. He has helped millions of people get good at money and never worry about money again. He lives in Utah with his wife and family.
Pre-Order your copy of Never Worry About Money Again
Try YNAB free for one month
1 Letter That Can Change Your Relationship With Money (Audio)
2026/08/03
In this conversation, I explore the multifaceted relationship individuals have with money, emphasising the importance of understanding the different parts of oneself that influence financial behavior. I encourage listeners to shift from a fixed identity of being 'good' or 'bad' with money to recognising the various parts that contribute to their financial decisions. By fostering self-compassion and curiosity, individuals can navigate their financial patterns more effectively and create a healthier relationship with money.
Chapters
00:00 - You are not bad with money
03:15 - Why old money patterns keep repeating
05:30 - Three money parts you may recognize
09:23 - How to respond with curiosity instead of shame
Resources:
Join the Money Circle - Our free monthly calls
How much should I charge? (5 Signs You Fear Being Paid)
2026/07/27
Have you ever been asked what you charge, and felt something happen before you had even said the number? That half a second where your mind is already running. Is that too much? Is it not enough? What will they think of me?
If you know that feeling well, you are in very good company.
This is part two of the Love and Money Series, and today I explore the fear of being paid what you are worth. It shows up most for us as sole traders, because when the business is you, being paid can feel deeply personal. But the fear is rarely about the number itself. It is about the meaning we have attached to it.
In this episode I walk through the five ways this fear shows up:
Overdelivering to feel you have earned the right to be paid Dropping your price before anyone has even asked Rushing or softening the number as it leaves your mouth Overexplaining and justifying your fee Avoiding naming a price at all Chapter Timestamps:
00:12 Introduction to the Fear of Pricing
02:50 Understanding Personal Value in Pricing
05:27 Signs of Fear in Pricing Conversations
10:49 The Impact of Undercharging
14:08 Shifting Mindsets: From Sole Trader to CEO
15:54 Practical Steps to Embrace Your Worth
We look at the resentment cost of undercharging, the shift from sole trader to CEO of your own business, and the questions that opens up. What does the business need to run profitably? What is the market willing to pay for the result I create? What is the cost of undercharging?
And I leave you with one practice for this week. Say your price, then pause. Don't soften it. Don't explain it. Just sit with it, and notice what arises in your body. This is my fee. I am allowed to be paid for the work I do. It is safe for me to receive.
Because being paid what you are worth rests on a much bigger question underneath the number: whether you believe you are allowed to receive, and whether you can hold your price steady enough for someone else to trust it.
So carry this with you. What do you make money mean, in the moment when someone offers to pay you for your work?
A lot of this work is about worthiness, boundaries, people pleasing, and inner worth. If you would like a safe space for these deeper conversations, come and join us in the Money Circle. It is our free online community, with a monthly newsletter of resources and a live monthly call where we hold space for exactly this.
Head to https://themoneypanel.co.uk/newsletter and you will receive an invite for the next circle call in your welcome email.
If you missed part one of the Love and Money Series, on why love and money are so deeply connected, listen to that first.
Watch this episode on YouTube: https://yt.openinapp.co/op9cg
Much love, Catherine x
3 Ways Money Mirrors How You Give and Receive Love
2026/07/20
In this episode, I explore the intricate relationship between love and money, emphasizing how our capacity to receive and give is deeply intertwined with our self-worth and emotional safety. I discuss the patterns that emerge from our early experiences and conditioning, highlighting the importance of awareness and new positive experiences in healing our relationship with money. The conversation delves into generational trauma and the impact of our upbringing on our financial behaviors, offering practical steps to begin the healing process.
Chapters 00:00 - Why love and money mirror each other more than you think
01:57 - How childhood conditioning shapes your capacity to hold wealth
03:21 - Family patterns, early trauma, and the nervous system's relationship with safety
08:22 - The three ways love and money show up the same: receiving, giving, and letting go
13:24 - Intergenerational patterns, attachment, and inherited unworthiness
22:41 - Practical ways to expand your financial and emotional comfort zone
35:09 - Healing your relationship with money by nurturing your self-worth
Resources: Read It Didn't Start With You by Mark Wolynn
Take the Money Story Types Quiz
Join the Money Circle
Discover this previous episode revealing why you can't hold onto money and how it's linked to love
Why Your Brain Feels Different in Perimenopause — ADHD, Hormones & RSD with Kate Moryoussef
2026/05/25
I am joined by Kate Moryoussef, as we explore the intricate relationship between ADHD, hormonal changes, and women's health. We discuss personal experiences with late ADHD diagnoses, the impact of perimenopause, and the significance of understanding rejection-sensitive dysphoria (RSD). The conversation also highlights the benefits of Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) as a tool for emotional regulation and self-acceptance, particularly for neurodivergent women navigating these challenges.
In this conversation, Kate and I explore the transformative power of Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) in managing overwhelm, guilt, and shame, particularly for women navigating ADHD and hormonal changes. We provide practical demonstrations of EFT, discuss the importance of self-compassion, and highlight the significance of understanding women's health issues.
Kate shares insights from her book, the ADHD Women's Wellbeing Toolkit, emphasising the need for accessible resources and self-empowerment. The conversation concludes with a focus on sustainable growth and the importance of rest in both personal and professional lives.
Chapters
00:00 Understanding ADHD and Hormonal Influences
10:10 The Impact of Diagnosis on Personal Growth
20:02 Navigating Perimenopause and ADHD
30:01 Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (RSD) Explained
39:53 Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) and Its Benefits
26:05 Demonstrating EFT for Overwhelm
30:30 Understanding Guilt and Shame in EFT
34:14 Navigating Women's Health and Hormones
35:55 The ADHD Women's Wellbeing Toolkit
39:25 The Journey of Writing a Book with ADHD
40:36 Sustainable Growth and Rest in Business
Resources:
Get my FREE book 'It's Not About The Money'
Take the Money StoryTypes® Quiz
Sign up to my FREE Newsletter
Become a Certified Financial Coach
Reveal and Heal The Inherited Money Patterns Keeping You Stuck with the 5 Hidden Money Beliefs Framework Guide
Enroll for Wealth Resonance
Discover the Body of Wealth
Check out the 5 Hidden Money Beliefs
If today's conversation stirred something in you, Kate's self-paced workshop library might be a great next step. There's a wide range of topics covered - from emotional wellbeing and nervous system regulation to identity and everyday ADHD life- all created with late-diagnosed women in mind.
You can dip in at your own pace, without any pressure to do it all at once.
Browse the full library here: https://www.adhdwomenswellbeing.co.uk/workshops
Why Success Feels Unsafe: The Nervous System Block That Keeps You Broke
2026/04/27
In this conversation, I explore the concept of money set points and how our nervous system influences our relationship with wealth. I discuss the biological responses to financial success and introduce three somatic techniques to help expand our capacity for wealth. These techniques focus on creating a sense of safety in the body, allowing individuals to navigate their financial journeys with greater ease and confidence.
Chapters
00:00 Understanding Money Set Points
02:57 The Nervous System and Money
05:50 Somatic Techniques for Financial Safety
08:40 Safety Anchoring Technique
12:00 Capacity Expansion Technique
17:01 The Expanded Heart Technique
23:49 Recap and Conclusion
Resources:
Get my FREE book 'It's Not About The Money'
Take the Money StoryTypes® Quiz
Sign up to my FREE Newsletter
Become a Certified Financial Coach
Reveal and Heal The Inherited Money Patterns Keeping You Stuck with the 5 Hidden Money Beliefs Framework Guide
Join the waitlist for Wealth Resonance
Discover the Body of Wealth
Learn more about The Great Release
Check out the 5 Hidden Money Beliefs
Why You Fight About Money (It's Not About the Money)
2026/04/20
In this episode, I explore the complex dynamics of money arguments in relationships, emphasising that these conflicts often stem from deeper emotional and nervous system responses rather than the financial issues themselves. I introduce the concept of Money Story Types, which are shaped by early life experiences, and discuss how understanding these types can help couples navigate their financial conversations more effectively. The episode provides practical strategies for reframing discussions about money to foster collaboration and acceptance between partners.
Chapters
00:00 Understanding Money Arguments
02:48 The Role of Nervous System in Money Conversations
06:04 Identifying Money Story Types
08:58 Conflict Between Money Story Types
12:03 Strategies for Harmonious Money Conversations
14:59 The Importance of Acceptance in Money Dynamics
17:58 Practical Reframes for Money Discussions21:08 Conclusion and Next Steps
Resources:
Get my FREE book 'It's Not About The Money'
Take the Money StoryTypes® Quiz
Sign up to my FREE Newsletter
Become a Certified Financial Coach
Reveal and Heal The Inherited Money Patterns Keeping You Stuck with the 5 Hidden Money Beliefs Framework Guide
Join the waitlist for Wealth Resonance
Discover the Body of Wealth
Learn more about The Great Release
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WSR-T 2025/10/21
So glad to have discovered this podcast!
I found Catherine on YouTube right when I was really working on my scarcity mindset. She’s so insightful and provides practical solutions to regulate ...
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sshk 2025/07/22
Insightful, meaningful conversations that stick with you
Catherine is a phenomenal interviewer—curious, thoughtful, and deeply present. I had the honor of being a guest on her show to talk about my book Rich...
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Jenn@KY 2025/03/23
Loving this!
Stumbled on this podcast while trying to work on my money mindset and wow! I loved the first episode and continued to listen to more. Great listen!!
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FinallySuccessful!! 2022/12/07
Must Listen!
Love love love this podcast!!! I feel like all the topics are just what I need at just the right time. Thank you for bringing this to everyone!!
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VelvaGreen 2021/10/07
Totally love listening to Catherine 🤩
So many gold nuggets in each episode!!! Love love love!
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Prosas75007 2020/01/13
Every woman should subscribe!
One of my goals since January 2019 was to become more financially savvy. After a quick search, I found this amazing podcast! Catherine Morgan does suc...