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What happens when Superman decides saving the world isn't enough and tries to fix it instead? Case and Jmike are joined by Austin Funk to revisit Stormwatch: Change or Die, Warren Ellis's three-part story about the High, a blatant Superman analogue with a plan to eliminate scarcity, tear down old systems, and build a better world. They dig into the story's big ideas, its messy execution, and the tragedy of watching genuinely heroic people wind up on opposite sides of a fight over who gets to decide what "better" looks like. Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: September 25, 2026 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Gen Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​ FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia ⏱️ Chapters 00:51 Welcome and Guest Intro 02:03 Warren Ellis and Revisiting the Work 06:12 Why Change or Die Is Worth Discussing 06:53 First Impressions of the Arc 08:01 Jack Hawksmoor and the Power of Cities 09:06 Jmike's First Read 11:05 Too Many Characters? 12:23 Jmike Recaps Change or Die 14:49 The High's Plan for Utopia 16:31 The Assassination Attempt on Jenny Sparks 18:35 Introducing Blind 19:28 Henry Bendix and Stormwatch 21:56 The High Returns 22:37 Meet Stormwatch Prime 24:52 The High as Golden Age Superman 25:27 The Doctor 26:19 Wright and the Justice League Analogues 27:03 Malcolm King Joins the Changers 29:22 Cracks in the High's Plan 31:49 Phase One Begins 32:43 The Engineer Ends Scarcity 35:30 Smoke, Eidolon, and the Changers 37:02 Rose Tattoo's Solution 37:21 Blind Tortures Malcolm 38:27 The High Confronts the United Nations 41:12 Stormwatch vs. the High 43:03 The High Shows What Superman Powers Can Do 44:28 Winter vs. the High 48:32 Jenny Discovers Her Old Friend Is Back 49:17 The Changers Begin Reshaping the World 51:02 The High Discovers What Blind Did 52:04 Bendix Finds the Changers' Base 54:26 Issue 50: The Kill Mission 55:30 Bendix Sizes Up Stormwatch 57:26 The High Broadcasts His Utopia 58:28 Change on Your Own Terms 59:07 Wish Reveals Her Agenda 01:00:30 Smoke Celebrates the End of Killing 01:03:26 Stormwatch Infiltrates the Base 01:04:13 Refusing to Kill 01:05:42 Jenny Sparks Confronts Bendix 01:06:14 Rose Tattoo Kills the Eidolon 01:08:06 Battalion Joins the Fight 01:09:40 Jenny and the High's Golden Age History 01:12:16 Heroes Fighting Heroes 01:13:04 Winter Offers the Changers a Way Out 01:14:38 Battalion Confronts Wish 01:16:11 Wish Gets Taken Off the Board 01:17:05 The Truth About Rose Tattoo 01:17:55 Bendix Completely Unravels 01:20:18 Jenny Sparks vs. Bendix 01:21:43 How Do You Kill the Dead? 01:22:57 The High Learns the Truth About Blind 01:24:30 Stormwatch's Prisoners Die 01:25:47 Jenny Takes Down Bendix 01:26:15 The Battle Turns Deadly 01:27:30 The Changers Fall 01:28:11 The High Heads for Skywatch 01:28:43 People Only Want Change on Their Terms 01:31:17 The Death of the High 01:32:34 What Change or Die Is Trying to Say 01:34:33 Final Thoughts on the Arc 01:37:54 Good Ideas, Limited Execution 01:39:02 The Legacy of Stormwatch 01:40:36 Austin's Plugs 01:43:03 Jmike's Plugs 01:43:32 Case's Plugs 01:44:55 Patreon Shout-Out 01:45:56 Rolling With Difficulty 01:46:05 Sign-Off 01:46:20 Credits 01:46:40 Digging for Kryptonite Promo

For the latest Men of Steel, Case and Jmike welcome Red and Blue from Overly Sarcastic Productions back to the show for a full-season conversation about My Adventures with Superman Season 3. They talk about Kara as the season's MVP, Jimmy's romantic disasters, Lois and Clark facing their possible future, Bizarro being perfect, Cyborg Superman going full menace, and the show's very anime-flavored spin on the Death and Return of Superman. Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: August 29, 2026 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Gen Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​ FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia ⏱️ Chapters 00:53 Welcome and Guest Intro 02:04 Kara Zor-El 03:34 Future Trunks Theory 04:33 Overall Season Thoughts 07:33 Episode-by-Episode Setup 08:08 Jmike Recaps Seasons 1 and 2 11:10 The Future Is Coming 12:28 Bizarro 16:52 Kara Understands Bizarro 19:31 Bizarro and the Death of Superman 22:52 Bizarro's Friends 24:12 Otto Binder 25:55 Kara and Jimmy 30:43 Challengers of the Unknown 31:20 Mobile Suit Toyman 34:17 Cyborg Superman 36:25 The Kryptonite Whip 37:52 Jessica Cruz 39:06 What Makes Superman Matter 41:35 Jimmy Olsen B******t Power Hour 42:42 Lois and Clark's Future 44:51 Flamebird Watches 45:55 Kara Hits the Town 51:28 Jon Kent Arrives 52:46 Jon Kent vs. Jonathan Lane 57:55 The John Downgrade 01:00:15 Kara Trains Jon 01:01:03 The Subterraneanosauri 01:02:38 Lex and Deathstroke 01:09:40 Jimmy Is Always Right 01:10:09 The Death of Superman 01:12:44 Hank Henshaw as Cyborg Superman 01:15:25 Jon's Humanity 01:17:14 Superman Powers Through Kryptonite 01:20:41 Hank Sees the Future 01:23:39 Jon Helps Save the Day 01:25:01 The Eradicator Future 01:26:11 Party Animals 01:27:34 Powerless Clark Kent 01:29:52 Kara's Award Gala 01:32:42 Animal Transformations 01:35:06 Bizarro Returns 01:37:55 The Mxyzptlk Episode 01:42:12 General Lane 01:43:12 Alternate Futures 01:46:57 It's Raining Supermen 01:47:20 Jonathan Lane and Lara Lane 01:49:21 Bald Lex and the Eradicator 01:51:57 Eradicator Evolves 01:53:18 Kara's Finest Hour 01:56:58 Supergirl Sacrifices 01:58:50 Vae Victis 01:59:06 Brainiac and Kryptonian History 02:03:49 Superman's Blue Energy 02:06:58 Kara and Jonathan 02:08:05 Operation Doomsday 02:12:04 The Eradicator's Final Form 02:14:06 Lex and the Eradicator 02:16:06 Waiting for Superman 02:20:36 What Did Clark Trade? 02:20:47 Darkseid Speculation 02:22:55 Bizarro and Jimmy 02:24:26 Final Character Thoughts 02:25:53 Lois and Clark's Future 02:27:12 Eradicator as Villain 02:29:30 Return of the King Wrap-Up

Case and Jmike continue their journey through Legends of the Dead Earth with guest Cly from Point in Progress! This time, they're looking at 1996's Superman Annual #8, "The League of Supermen," a far-future story where Superman's legacy lives on through a team of heroes who each inherit only one of his powers... and all the complications that come with it. Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: July 31, 2026 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Gen Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​ FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia ⏱️ YouTube Chapters 00:54 Welcome and Guest Intro 02:44 Legends of Dead Earth 03:37 Jmike Recaps 09:37 The League of Supermen 10:10 The Cover and Art Team 14:33 A Great Premise in One Issue 16:03 The League in Action 19:39 Superpowers as Disabilities 22:18 Meeting the New Recruits 25:05 Heat and the Team's Drawbacks 28:02 The Superman Hologram 30:31 The History of the League 32:23 Speed and Tempest 37:26 The Training Mission Turns Real 41:21 Superman Crosses a Line 42:38 Can They Trust Superman? 45:17 Assaulting the Superman Facility 49:29 Superman's Final Test 52:41 The Death of Superman 53:18 The Story's Final Lesson 57:20 Why the One-Shot Works 01:00:23 Heat, Sleep Deprivation, and Representation 01:02:56 Final Thoughts and Rankings 01:11:15 Disability Representation 01:12:38 Cly's Plugs 01:14:01 Jmike and Case's Plugs 01:17:03 Patreon Shout-Outs 01:18:24 Trade School 01:21:16 Next Time: Bizarro 01:21:44 Credits 01:22:04 Digging for Kryptonite Promo

Supergirl has arrived in the DCU, and Men of Steel is here to talk about it. Case, Jmike, and special guest Keith Lehtinen break down the new film, from Kara's traumatic past on Argo to her bond with Krypto, her contrast with Superman, the use of Lobo, and whether this adaptation of Woman of Tomorrow sticks the landing. The episode also features cameo reactions from Alan Williams, Ben Haslar, Bret Eagleston, Jesse Fresco, Kris Ingersoll, Mitch Punpayuk, Nic Woolfe, Randy Allain, Logan Crowley, and Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions. Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: July 6, 2026 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Gen Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​ FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia ⏱️ YouTube Chapters 00:00 Cold Open: The Middle 01:13 Welcome to Men of Steel 02:35 Spoiler Warning 03:10 Jmike Recaps Supergirl 05:20 Our History with Supergirl 06:05 Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow as Source Material 09:21 Jmike's Supergirl Background 11:02 Keith's Supergirl Fandom 15:30 The Cast 17:08 Krem of the Yellow Hills 20:24 Argo City and Kara's Parents 22:45 David Corenswet's Superman 24:30 Jason Momoa as Lobo 26:45 Seth Rogen, Krypto, and the Supporting Cast 28:24 The Movie's Visual Style 33:21 Argo City 37:47 Krypto and Kara's Trauma 41:49 Kara's Earth Culture and Music 45:16 The Middle Needle Drop 47:17 Action Scenes and the Sword 49:59 The Third Act 55:52 Lobo's Role in the Story 59:01 Ruthye's Perspective 59:46 The Kryptonite Sun 01:05:35 The Hostage Rescue 01:08:23 Kara's Big Final Choice 01:11:48 The Final Scene with Superman 01:13:05 Krypto as Kara's Last Connection to Argo 01:14:16 Final Lobo Thoughts 01:15:17 Listener Feedback Begins 01:16:11 Alan Williams on Supergirl 01:25:02 Ben Haslar on Supergirl 01:28:53 Bret Eagleston on Supergirl 01:29:46 Jesse Fresco on Supergirl 01:41:44 Kris Ingersoll on Supergirl 01:43:02 Mitch from Arizona on Supergirl 01:44:21 Nic Woolfe on Supergirl 01:55:20 Randy Allain on Supergirl 01:57:18 Logan Crowley on Supergirl 02:05:19 Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions on Supergirl 02:24:35 Back to the Main Conversation 02:25:15 Final Thoughts 02:26:10 Final Scores 02:27:05 Should You See Supergirl? 02:29:34 Keith's Plugs 02:30:58 Jmike's Plugs 02:31:16 Discord, Patreon, and Certain POV 02:34:43 Trade School, Side Quests, and The Word from Tomorrow 02:36:32 Closing 02:36:57 Credits 02:37:18 We Have Issues Promo

Captain America comes to Men of Steel for the Fourth of July! Case and Jmike welcome Nicolas Cattelan from Below Deck: Down Under for a conversation about Captain America: The Winter Soldier, the MCU's spy-thriller masterpiece about trust, freedom, fascism, friendship, and one very good man refusing to move. Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: July 3, 2026 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Gen Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​ FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia ⏱️ YouTube Chapters 00:00 Cold Open 00:52 Introduction 01:51 Nicholas Cattelan and Below Deck 09:43 Why Captain America: The Winter Soldier? 12:26 Captain America as Marvel's Superman 14:48 Jmike Explains the Plot 18:29 Why The First Avenger Still Matters 22:35 Captain America as the Heart of the MCU 25:59 The Super Soldier as a Metaphor 30:26 Why This Is the Best Captain America Movie 41:43 The Lemurian Star Opening 50:00 Steve Rogers' Personal Journey 01:01:01 Why This Story Is Personal 01:13:00 The Politics of The Winter Soldier 01:35:33 The Third Act and Bucky 01:51:24 Peggy Carter, Sharon Carter, and Natasha Romanoff 02:02:25 Sharon Carter's Missed Potential 02:08:15 Final Thoughts

This week, Case and Jmike are joined by Jim Fetters of Long Live the Legion to explore Legends of Dead Earth: Superboy, a wild 1996 annual that imagines an Aztec-inspired world where Superman's legacy has been twisted by power, greed, and ego. We discuss corrupt mentors, future myths, Quetzalcoatl, evil Superman vibes that feel surprisingly ahead of their time, and a new Superboy determined to reclaim what the symbol should mean! Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: June 19, 2026 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Gen Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​ FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia ⏱️ YouTube Chapters 00:00 – The Goatee of Evil 00:57 – Introduction & Jim Fetters Returns 03:02 – Annual Events, Bloodlines Trauma & Comic Book Weirdness 07:31 – Jmike Explains the Story 12:13 – Invincible Comparisons & Evil Superman Archetypes 15:58 – Cover Art, Costume Design & Whitewashing Concerns 19:16 – Setting Up the Legends of Dead Earth World 23:27 – Earth Falls & the Birth of a New Mythology 26:12 – Quetzalcoatl, Aztec Influences & Superman Symbolism 28:53 – Meet Quetzal, the Future Superboy 29:30 – Breaking Down the Evil Superman Design 33:35 – Superboy Training Begins 35:20 – T'Challa & the World's Anti-Meta Sexism 37:44 – The Dam Rescue and Superman's Creepy Reward 40:22 – Superman's Protection Racket 42:35 – Andrew Tate Superman 44:16 – The Original Superman Reveals the Truth 47:02 – The Meta Games Begin 50:16 – Superman Manipulates Superboy Into a Duel 53:34 – The Plan to Expose Superman 54:29 – Superman Beats the Hell Out of Superboy 55:20 – The Quetzalcoatl Hoax 57:32 – A Literal Deus Ex Machina 58:52 – A New Legend Begins 59:42 – What Worked and What Didn't 01:01:15 – Compressed Storytelling vs Modern Comics 01:05:49 – Jmike's Final Thoughts 01:08:14 – Is Superman Just a Dick? 01:09:49 – Ranking the Legends of Dead Earth Stories 01:10:12 – Jim's Final Review 01:11:42 – Quetzalcoatl, Mythology & Tom Strong 01:14:13 – Where to Find Jim & Long Live the Legion 01:19:16 – Patreon Shout-Outs 01:20:56 – Next Episode Tease & Outro

A brief personal update from Case about the current state of Men of Steel: First and foremost, the show is on a short hiatus following the passing of my cohost Jmike Folson's father. Jmike and his family are in our thoughts, and we appreciate everyone's patience and understanding while he takes the time he needs. I also wanted to finally address something we hadn't formally announced: beginning in 2026, Men of Steel shifted from a biweekly release schedule to a monthly one following the birth of my son, Robbie. Balancing family, work, and production has meant adjusting the pace of the show a bit, but we're still very committed to the podcast and excited for what's ahead. The plan is to revert to a biweekly schedule in 2027, but for the moment we need the breathing room that a monthly schedule affords. Thank you all so much for listening and supporting the show over the years! We'll be back soon.

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by Jay McKiernan to explore the Legends of Dead Earth annual for Superman: The Man of Steel from 1996. Written by Kurt Busiek, this issue delivers a sweeping space opera full of big ideas, bold heroism, and some seriously strong artwork to match. Spoiler alert: we all love this one. Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: March 6, 2026 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Gen Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​ FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia  Notes   Story Overview and Setting The Legends of Dead Earth Superman Annual delivers a tight, space opera story set far in the future, featuring a new Superman analog named Caleb on the water planet Hydros (04:34). Caleb is introduced as a fisherman whose community is attacked by the Empire, triggering his journey with freedom fighters and discovery of his potential powers from absorbing stellar radiation. The story takes place substantially further in the future than the Legion of Superheroes, with hints suggesting several thousand years ahead, involving a cyclical rebirth of Superman-like figures. The setting and plot borrow heavily from classic sci-fi tropes, especially Star Wars, with Empire-like antagonists and clone troopers, making it easy for readers to engage with familiar themes while exploring a fresh character. Character and Costume Design Caleb's design and costume stand out as a major positive, combining classic Superman elements with a unique space barbarian aesthetic (09:52). The costume features a red belt breaking up the silhouette, inspired by Chris Prowse's Legion era designs, which help avoid the "columnar" look typical of Superman's outfit. The only notable design critique was the oversized bracers and a 90s-style hairdo, which some felt clashed with the otherwise sharp look. Caleb's character design matches his personality and setting, with long hair and a rugged vibe fitting the spacefaring, water-world environment, enhancing his appeal as a heroic figure. Plot Developments and Key Conflicts The narrative efficiently covers Caleb's rise and battles against the Empire, culminating in his confrontation with Lex Luthor the 60th (35:00). Caleb's powers develop over time, including space-time warping and remote sensing abilities, which provide a fresh take on traditional Superman powers adapted for a sci-fi setting. The Empire's force, led by a long-lived Lex Luthor using cloned armies and Kryptonian technology, creates a formidable adversary, deepening the story's stakes and enhancing the space opera feel. The story ends on an open note, with Caleb and his love interest Lang expecting a child on a remote planet named Solitude, leaving the final battle unresolved and inviting reader imagination. Creative Team and Storytelling Quality The story benefits from the involvement of veteran creators Kurt Busiek, Paul Ryan, and Joe Rubenstein, resulting in a well-crafted and engaging narrative (13:32). Busiek's experience shines through with a concise yet dense script that balances action, character development, and world-building without unnecessary filler. The art consistently supports the story's energy, with Paul Ryan's layouts and finishes providing clear, dynamic visuals that highlight the vast space battles and intimate character moments. The use of water metaphors and first-person narration by Caleb adds depth and a unique voice, enhancing the immersive quality of the story. Strategic and Thematic Insights The annual explores themes of legacy, cyclical rebirth, and moral responsibility in a far-future setting, positioning Caleb as both a fighter and a moral center (45:16). Caleb's ethical decision to protect a newly discovered Krypton-like world instead of exploiting it for military gain underscores his role as a leader with a strong moral compass. The story embraces the idea of multiple Superman-origin planets, enriching the DC Universe's multiverse concept and allowing fresh storytelling avenues. The Empire's conquest and use of cloned soldiers and stolen technology reflect classic villain archetypes, reinforcing the narrative's deliberate homage to space opera traditions while keeping the tone accessible. Audience Reception and Legacy Potential Hosts expressed high regard for this annual, considering it one of the best in the Legends of Dead Earth line due to its clear storytelling, strong art, and compelling character (49:10). The story's straightforward approach and well-paced plot make it highly recommended and enjoyable even for readers less familiar with extended Superman lore. Despite its quality, Caleb's story appears to be a one-off with no known follow-ups, though the hosts expressed hope that the character and concept could be expanded in future multiverse or alternate universe tales. The annual's blend of familiar sci-fi elements with a fresh Superman iteration creates potential for inspiring new stories that merge classic superhero themes with space opera drama.

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by Frank Hernandez to discuss the Legends of Dead Earth annual for The Adventures of Superman. We unpack how the story explores an oppressed people who've been gaslit into believing they were the villains—and the role Superman plays in revealing the truth, restoring history, and reframing heroism in a broken world. Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia   Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: February 6, 2026 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen   Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com   Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4   PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel    FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia Outline   ️ Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:00 - 01:40)   Hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson introduce the episode of the Men of Steel podcast.   Special guest Frank Hernandez, actor known for Star Wars Revelations and Farragut projects, joins to discuss the 1996 'Legends of Dead Earth' annual for Adventures of Superman.   Context Setting: Legends of Dead Earth Event and Superman Annual (01:40 - 03:40)   Explanation of the 1996 DC Comics event: not a traditional crossover but annual issues connected with a future after Earth's death.   Connection of this Superman annual to prior Men of Steel conversations, especially referencing the Man of Steel miniseries and the Supergirl annual.   Plot Summary and Story Explanation (03:40 - 08:00)   J. Mike explains the story: a future alien (Willig) discovers a Jor-El hologram crystal that downloads Superman's legacy into his mind.   Willig mistakes himself for Superman and tries to live up to that heroism amid a slave-like alien society oppressed by space pirates called the Sarkons.   Introduction of Characters and Setting Details (08:00 - 13:00)   The Sarkons are space pirates enslaving the Kirati race.   Willig adopts a homemade Superman costume inspired by the crystal's data.   ️ Willig's Character Development and Conflict (13:00 - 18:00)   Willig's blue-collar background and family life portrayed humorously but insightfully.   His assumption of the Superman mantle is both a personal awakening and rebellion against the slave narrative imposed by the Sarkons.   Climax and Resolution Summary (18:00 - 23:00)   Willig confronts his oppressors and is ultimately killed, delivering a heroic speech before dying.   The story is capped with a statue commemorating Willig as a hero, echoing Superman's mythos.   Critical Analysis and Reflection (23:00 - 27:00)   Discussion about the story's condensed nature—could have been a longer arc.   The story is a science fiction parable about oppression, mythology, and heroism.   Social and Mythological Themes (27:00 - 33:00)   The story deals with themes of historical revisionism, systemic oppression, and the reclaiming of heroism by the oppressed.   Reflections on how Superman stories absorb and reflect cultural values and how myth evolves through retelling.   ️ Dated Elements and Audience (33:00 - 44:00)   One-dimensional villainy discussed; space pirates having a 'district manager' seen as anachronistic or odd.   Possible target audience as younger readers.   Legends of Dead Earth's Format and Distribution (44:00 - 50:30)   The story's place in DC's publication history noted.   Availability issues raised: this issue not currently on the DC Universe app, unlike other annuals.   Closing and Guest Information (50:30 - 55:42)   Frank Hernandez shares updates on his production company, Elysian Sky Productions, work with AI music, and upcoming Farragut projects.   Hosts share social media and Patreon information.

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by Keith Lehtinen to explore the Legends of Dead Earth DC Annual featuring the memory of Supergirl. We dig into this bleak future tale, how Supergirl fits into DC's long tradition of alternate timelines, and what this story reveals about legacy when hope is in short supply. Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: January 9, 2026 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4   Outline Introduction and Context of Legends of Dead Earth Supergirl Annual (00:00 - 10:14) Introduction to the Men of Steel podcast and guest Keith Letinen, comic book expert Overview of the Legends of Dead Earth 1996 annuals by DC Comics focusing on futuristic mythologizing of modern DC characters Analysis of Chapter One: "The Surrogate" (10:14 - 19:11) Written by Chuck Dixon with artwork by Dick Giordano and George Perez (noted for quality) The story highlights hope through flashbacks to youth and idealization of Supergirl as an icon, not a specific person Analysis of Chapter Two: "Legend Lives On"/"Shootout at Ice Flats" (19:11 - 28:37) The second story (credits order error noted), written by Barbara and Carl Kesel, is a Twilight Zone-esque tale featuring space pirates who fear the myth of Supergirl, although she doesn't appear Discussion of how the story parodies and distorts superhero lore, especially with references to "The Crisis" and Supergirl's berserker phase Analysis of Chapter Three: "Shootout at Ice Flats" (28:37 - 38:03) Written by Joe Lansdale and Neil Barrett Jr., art by Robert Turkish Taranishi, the story is a sci-fi Western featuring a sheriff who resembles Supergirl The story closes with hope passing to a younger generation via the amulet's gift Overall Impressions and Discussion of the Annual (38:03 - 47:44) Hosts discuss whether the annual was worth the 1996 cover price of $2.95, agreeing that the package was fun and had variety making it worth the price Comparative recommendation: for new fans, alternative modern stories such as Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow and some Future State runs recommended instead Conclusion and Promotions (47:44 - 56:39) Guest Keith Letinen highlights his podcast We Have Issues that delivers fast, positive comic reviews especially useful for staying current with many comics out there Tease of upcoming Legends of Dead Earth issues to be discussed in future episodes

We're joined by Alex and Amanda Ramsey from Night of the Batmen for Part 1 of a crossover discussion on the 1999 World's Finest series! We dig into Superman and Batman at the turn of the millennium, the tone of late-'90s DC, and why this era of team-ups still sparks debate. Part 2 continues on Night of the Batmen—so make sure to catch both sides of the conversation! Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: December 19, 2025 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​  FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia Outline Introduction and Overview of 1999 World's Finest Series (00:00 - 10:30) Introduction of guests Alex and Amanda Ramsey from 'Night of the Batman' podcast. Overview of the 1999 World's Finest series by Karl Kesel with multiple pencillers. Detailed Story and Timeline Context (10:30 - 20:57) Discussion on the timeline placement post-Crisis on Infinite Earths. Comments on character design consistency, particularly Lex Luthor's unusual white hair color. Character Dynamics in Early Story Arc (20:57 - 31:44) Breakdown of the opening issue where twin criminals, each matched with one hero. Exploration of 1990s Batman's mystique as an urban legend. ️ Political Themes and Writing Style (31:44 - 41:58) The politically nuanced yet awkward portrayal of villains such as Eric Stang. Discussion of Bruce Wayne's wealth and its narrative challenge. Arkham Asylum Story and Supporting Cast Developments (41:58 - 52:29) Examination of the second issue where Superman infiltrates Arkham Asylum. Introduction of supporting characters such as Batgirl and a vigilante called Thorn. Inner Gang Story and Cadmus Mention (52:29 - 01:02:43) Discussion of Intergang's involvement and its footing in Superman's rogues gallery. The unveiling of Cadmus as a covert organization investigated by Batman. ‍‍ Depth in Supporting Cast and Justice League Context (01:02:43 - 01:13:20) Acknowledge that Dick Grayson as Robin is established. Commentary on the limited but effective use of Alfred as Bruce Wayne's humanizing influence. Reception and Art Appreciation (01:13:20 - 01:23:39) Positive response towards art style, particularly Dave Taylor's pencils. Reflections on corporate influences on DC comics continuity and storytelling quality. Final Reflections on First Five Issues (01:23:39 - 01:34:06) Amanda's reception: lower enthusiasm for first two issues, appreciation for character development. J. Mike's reception: Enjoys dynamic between Batman and Superman. Wrap-Up and Show Promotion (01:34:06 - 01:53:35) Encouragement to listen to the back five issues discussion on 'Night of the Batman' podcast. Promotion of social media, Discord server, and Patreon.

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by Kris Ingersoll (Media/Lit, Batman By The Numbers) to talk about the 1990 World's Finest miniseries! We dig into how this story redefined the dynamic between Superman and Batman, the tone of early '90s DC, and why this team-up still holds up decades later. #MenOfSteelPod #WorldsFinest #Superman #Batman #DCComics #ComicsPodcast #KrisIngersoll Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: December 5, 2025 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​  FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia Outline ️ Introduction to Podcast and Guests (00:00 - 02:51) Hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson introduce the episode and guest Kris Ingersoll, who runs a Batman podcast and co-hosts Media Lit podcast. Topic: The 1990 DC Comics miniseries World's Finest by Dave Gibbons and Steve Rood. Contextual Background of the 1990 World's Finest (02:51 - 05:34) The miniseries releases shortly after Crisis on Infinite Earths and John Byrne's Man of Steel reboot (1986). Post-Dark Knight Returns, Batman and Superman's relationship had changed, characterized by distance rather than camaraderie. ️ Plot Overview (05:34 - 08:14) Lex Luthor and Joker team up to take over Gotham and Metropolis with intertwined but largely separate schemes. Batman and Superman investigate, culminating in events involving an orphanage, a nuclear reactor, and city-wide explosions. Decompression and Story Structure Critique (08:14 - 11:34) Discussion of story pacing issues: The narrative is elongated with side elements (e.g., orphan kids) that do not cohesively tie in. Emphasis on character moments over tight plotting. Initial Impressions and Artistic Elements (11:34 - 17:59) Chris praises the visual storytelling and art, referencing the use of parallel imagery and distinctive flashback watercolor style. Noted the deliberate design choices to echo Silver Age and Max Fleischer era Superman and early Batman. ‍️ Characterization of Villains and Supporting Cast (17:59 - 30:39) Joker portrayed in a "zany," less menacing mode, more a prankster than murderously malicious. Lex Luthor features a robotic hand and operates like a mob boss, balancing businessman and villain traits. Character Dynamics and Relationships (30:39 - 40:21) Lois Lane and Bruce Wayne's interactions highlight mutual suspicion and gradual respect. Batman and Superman's knowledge of each other's secret identities is subtle initially, revealed more overtly in third issue. ️ Themes and Continuity Notes (40:21 - 50:27) Orphanage is a thematic midpoint between Gotham and Metropolis, symbolizing shared orphan backgrounds of Batman, Superman, and villain. The book emphasizes orphans and legacy but does not fully develop these thematic elements. Technical and Artistic Praise (50:27 - 52:58) Art and character design praised for classic yet fresh look; great use of tableau pages showing Gotham and Metropolis. Noted the Batmobile's stylish design and Batman's athletic, sleek physique. Character in Action: Batman and Superman (52:58 - 59:55) Batman characterized as efficient, brutal, and action-focused. His use of Batarangs and disguises recognized as authentic. Superman rendered as powerful but more grounded Burn era 'cop,' balancing investigative journalism and heroic strength. Artistic and Thematic Highlights (59:55 - 01:09:46) Memorable moments include Superman carrying a nuclear reactor into space to save Metropolis. Subtle details such as Clark Kent's mannerisms and investigative approach noted. Overall Assessment and Legacy (01:09:46 - 01:14:36) The miniseries serves as a valuable snapshot of Batman and Superman dynamics post-Crisis and pre-mid-90s crossovers. While the narrative is considered "vibes-over-story," the series offers essential character moments, iconic imagery, and era-specific continuity. Conclusion and Promotions (01:14:36 - 01:19:44) Guests share social media handles and podcast info. Hosts plug "Trade School" podcast and Certain POV Discord for further comic discussions.

No guests this time — just Case and Jmike diving into Naomi, both the first comic volume by Brian Michael Bendis, David F. Walker, and Jamal Campbell, and the CW pilot it inspired! We unpack her origins, the themes of identity and legacy, and how this new hero fits into the Superman-adjacent universe. Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: November 21, 2025 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​  FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia  Outline ️ Introduction and Topic Setup (00:00 - 10:36) Discussion opens with commentary on a break-in scenario as a humorous analogy. Hosts introduce the podcast episode focused on Naomi, a comic series and its TV adaptation. Comic Book Deep Dive, Part 1 (10:38 - 20:37) Case shares his late discovery of Naomi via Superman comics. Discussion of typical Brian Michael Bendis storytelling traits and Naomi's origin story. Comic Book Deep Dive, Part 2 (20:37 - 29:58) Discussion of the comic's minimal action narrative; Naomi only fights once near the end. Critique of the pacing and suggestions for narrative recap. TV Show Critique, Part 1 (29:58 - 39:35) Hosts express strong disappointment with the Naomi TV series. Exploration of key changes from comic to show, including character depth. TV Show Critique, Part 2 (39:36 - 49:32) Further criticism of the TV show's deviation from comic lore. Exploration of Naomi's 'Mary Sue' characterization and visual production issues. TV Show Critique, Part 3 and General Reflection (49:32 - 58:53) Frustration with the show's pacing and poor adaptation of comic's style. Suggestions for animated series instead of live action. Comparative Analysis and Storytelling Challenges (58:53 - 01:08:51) Reflection on comic's pacing translating into TV episodic structure. Challenges of stretching limited content to a full season. Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up (01:08:52 - 01:19:00) Overall enjoyment of the comic despite flaws and disapproval of the TV show. Hope for future projects that better capture the comic's qualities. Closing Remarks and Promotional Segment (01:19:03 - 01:27:09) Hosts encourage listeners to read the comic and promote Patreon. Plug for Case's new podcast project Trade School.

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined once again by Logan Crowley to dive into the back half of Alan Moore's Supreme saga — Supreme: The Return! We explore how Moore redefined heroism through metafiction, nostalgia, and some of the boldest Superman-adjacent storytelling of the '90s. Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: November 8, 2025 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​ FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia Outline Introduction and Context Setting on Supreme Comic Series (00:00 - 10:00) Discussed the Alan Moore run on Supreme comics, focusing on the second volume, Supreme: The Return and its relation to the initial story, Supreme: The Story of the Year. Introduced guest Logan Crowley and recapped the original Story of the Year to bring listeners up to speed. Detailed Issue-by-Issue Breakdown and Analysis (10:18 - 01:56:09) Explored themes, characters, and narrative arcs of Supreme: The Return in granular detail. Noted meta-narrative techniques, cultural references, inconsistencies, tonal shifts, and artistic variations issue by issue. Art and Production Quality Discussions (15:36 - 01:24:50) Critiqued the inconsistent artwork across different issues and artists including Rick Veitch, Chris Sprouse, Jim Starlin, Ian Churchill, and Matt Smith. Noted the impact of publisher issues and artist changes on overall series cohesion and visual storytelling. Cultural and Social Commentary in the Comic (38:45 - 57:22) Discussed controversial storylines such as the Confederacy winning the Civil War due to Wild Bill Hickok's actions and its culturally sensitive implications. Analyzed dated humor and some problematic depictions reflecting 1990s sensibilities. Narrative and Thematic Observations (47:00 - 01:50:56) Discussed thematic motifs like closed time loops, meta-fictional elements, homage to classic Silver Age Superman narratives, and the contrast with other Alan Moore works like Tom Strong. Explored the balance between classic superhero optimism vs. cynicism leaking through the narrative. Discussion on Supporting Characters and Legacy (25:00 - 01:40:16) Elaborated on the roles of various supporting characters enhancing the Supreme mythos like Judy Jordan, Diana Dane, and Radar the canine hero. Highlighted the influence on later comics and the impact on the Superman archetype and analog characters. Guest Insights and Personal Reflections (00:00 - 02:30:00) Logan Crowley shared fresh perspectives, especially on the nostalgic value and unique features of Supreme. J. Mike and Case Aiken reflected on the series' strengths and weaknesses as longtime fans and comic enthusiasts. Promotions and Related Projects (02:28:00 - 02:36:00) Promoted related podcasts like Single Bound and Trade School and thanked Patreon supporters. Encouraged listeners to engage with the content and share their thoughts.

This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike sit down with legendary comics writer J.M. DeMatteis to talk about his incredible career and his thoughts on the Man of Steel himself. From Kraven's Last Hunt to Justice League International and beyond, we dive into storytelling, spirituality, and what makes Superman such an enduring symbol of hope. #MenOfSteelPod #JMDeMatteis #Superman #DCComics #ComicsPodcast #SupermanAdjacent Support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: October 24, 2025  Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast network brining you all sorts of nerdy goodness! From Star Wars role playing, to Disney day dreaming, to video game love, we've got the show for you! Learn more on our website: https://www.certainpov.com Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/wcHHer4 PODCAST SHOWS: ▶ Men Of Steel - https://www.certainpov.com/men-of-steel​  FOLLOW US: ▶ Twitter: @certainpovmedia @menofsteelpod  ▶ Instagram: @certainpovmedia   Outline Introduction (00:00 - 00:10) Introduction and discussion about J.M. DeMatteis' prolific career. Discussion on writing styles (Marvel style vs. full script) and collaborative relationships. Creative Origins (00:10 - 00:20) J.M. DeMatteis shares his creative origins and early career struggles. Breakthrough into comics through short stories and TV writing with The Twilight Zone. Justice League International (00:20 - 00:28) His iconic Justice League International run with Keith Giffen. Creative chemistry with collaborators and evolution of their working relationship. ️ Marvel Runs (00:28 - 00:38) Discussion of Marvel runs including Maximum Carnage and Clone Saga. Perspectives on long crossovers and storytelling challenges. ‍️ Lesser-Known Characters (00:38 - 00:47) Work with less-known characters like Booster Gold and Blue Beetle in Justice League International. Character development freedom with lesser-known heroes and influence on DC Universe. ‍️ Superman Focus (00:47 - 00:57) Focus on Superman-related work, especially Speeding Bullets Elseworlds story. Discussion on Superman's character, symbolism, and challenges in keeping him human. Current Projects (00:57 - 01:07) Current and upcoming projects including the DeMultiverse Kickstarter series. Discussion on Spider-Man 94, prose novellas, and Batman: Caped Crusader animated series. ️ Writing Techniques & Style (02:00 - 02:10) J.M. DeMatteis adeptly switches between Marvel style (detailed plotting first) and full scripting based on collaborators and creative needs, emphasizing writer-artist synergy. Career Path & Persistence (10:00 - 13:30) His early career involved overcoming harsh rejections and learning from editors like Paul Levitz and Len Wein, highlighting the necessity of a 'hard head and thick skin' in freelancing. Creative Collaboration (24:00 - 27:30) The seminal Justice League International run was a product of rare chemistry and creative freedom between DeMatteis, Keith Giffen, and Kevin Maguire, elevating offbeat characters. Classic Runs Reflections (22:00 - 30:00) He described iconic runs like Kraven's Last Hunt as successful but unplanned monumental works, and underscored the importance of the artist in storytelling and the emotional core of heroism in Maximum Carnage. Character Development (34:00 - 38:00) DeMatteis expresses deep intimacy with characters like Peter Parker and Ben Reilly, treating them like real people and always seeking fresh narrative insights in revisiting familiar characters. ‍️ Superman's Core (48:00 - 54:40) Defines writing Superman as being 'in his heart' rather than just his mind, focusing on his decency, charm, and symbolic importance as cultural moral paragon and hopeful figure. Modern Work & Industry Shifts (01:00:00 - 01:02:00) Embracing Kickstarter for creator-owned projects like DeMultiverse, balancing traditional publishing with creative independence and audience engagement. Discusses upcoming projects including a Spider-Man miniseries and involvement in animated shows. Industry Insights (46:40 - 46:50) Reflects on evolving trends such as Elseworlds and multiverse storytelling saturation, and the need to refresh narrative approaches. Fan Community & Legacy (38:40 - 38:50) Notes enthusiasm from younger generations discovering older works like Justice League International, reinforcing enduring appeal.