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Stan and Marshall talk about the frustrating "intermediate plateau" a stage where artists feel stuck. They explore causes like boredom, complacency, and unclear goals, and give advice on how to push through using feedback, mentorship, passion projects, and risk-taking. SHOW LINKS (some contain affiliate links): Animal Anatomy For Artists by Joe Weatherly (Foreword by Marshall Vandruff) - https://amzn.to/4f1Fquk George Woodbridge (Mad Magazine Artist) - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-mad-magazine-george-woodbridge-catch-22-issue.jpg Jack Davis (Mad Magazine Artist) - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-mad-magazine-jack-davis-catch-22-issue.jpg 23 Habits for Artists - Draftsmen S1E14 - https://youtu.be/WrKyzUMERKc?si=xAt2uqF3JawxIYAm Mastery by George Leonard - https://amzn.to/4o1zxBc Marshall’s small artwork from his 30’s - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-marshall-vandruff-drawing-small-caterpillar-framed-with-size-text.jpg https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-marshall-vandruff-drawing-small-caterpillar-full-size.jpg Rembrandt (photo by Olivier Middendorp) - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-stan-prokopenko-pikachu-wolverine.jpg Leonardo da Vinci - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-leonardo-da-vinci-bear-sketch-framed.jpg https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-leonardo-da-vinci-bear-sketch-full.jpg When by Daniel Pink - https://amzn.to/44HYjir Masterclass (Ron Howard) - https://www.masterclass.com/classes/ron-howard-teaches-directing Masterclass (Mira Nair) - https://www.masterclass.com/classes/mira-nair-teaches-independent-filmmaking Masterclass (Martin Scorsese) - https://www.masterclass.com/classes/martin-scorsese-teaches-filmmaking Masterclass (Margaret Atwood) - https://www.masterclass.com/classes/margaret-atwood-teaches-creative-writing Creativity by Mihaly Csikszentmihaly - https://amzn.to/45elml4 Think Like a Freak by Steven D. Levitt - https://amzn.to/3IDvElY Freakonomics by Steven D. Levitt - https://amzn.to/3Uq4YHS Kristian Nee’s youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@KristianNeeTV Kristians Podcast with Marshall - “What Every Artist Needs to Hear (But Nobody Says)” - https://youtu.be/ptXnRU-HGxQ?si=qSKU8po6gqpU1MgJ Stan’s Anatomy Course - https://proko.com/anatomy Anatomy Course Drawings (only on screen briefly for how much work went into them) - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-stan-prokopenko-popeye-stan.jpg Pinocchio (1940) - https://amzn.to/44RzdO0 Frankenstein by Bernie Wrightson - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-frankenstein-by-bernie-wrightson-illustration-1.jpg https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-frankenstein-by-bernie-wrightson-illustration-2.jpg The Upside of Quitting - Freakonomics Radio - https://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-upside-of-quitting-3/ Cops TV Show (1989-present) - https://amzn.to/4mqyb1F Sexy Beast (2000) - https://amzn.to/3UtbugY Kimon Nicolaïdes - https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-kimon-nicolaides-gesture-sketches.jpeg Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko Kristian Nee - https://www.kristiannee.com/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stan and Marshall break down how to learn color by combining theory and practice without getting stuck in rules. They explain hue, value, and saturation, share stories about their own color frustrations, and outline exercises like using limited palettes, plein air painting, and master studies. You’ll learn why repetition, observation, and balancing intuition with knowledge are key to developing your color sense over time. Show Links (some contain affiliate links): Show Notes - proko.com/883 Building a Dream Art Studio - proko.com/370 How to Learn Anatomy - proko.com/339 How to Learn Perspective - proko.com/369 How to Learn Composition - proko.com/426 Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stan and Marshall discuss how the art industry is always changing, facing challenges like economic downturns, tech advances, and shifts in consumer behavior and the importance for artists to adapt to survive. Industries go through cycles, and the art world is no different. Stay resilient, improve your skills, and be open to new ways of working, like collaboration, using technology, or finding alternative income sources. Embrace change, build mental strength, and focus on creating value to navigate the uncertainties of the art industry. Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko Show Links (some contain affiliate links): Let's Have Another Cup of Coffee by Irving Berlin - https://youtu.be/rFniGuoCBXA Prosperity Is Just Around Which Corner? by Carson Robison - https://youtu.be/mkNn4WUwtCA Crips and Bloods, made in America - https://amzn.to/4cxgYhp Jeffrey Katzenberg - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Katzenberg Highest Grossing Animated Films - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_animated_films James Gurney Blog Post - Why Are Art Schools Closing? - jamesgurney.substack.com/p/why-are-art-schools-closing Radiorunner’s Curriculum - https://www.reddit.com/r/learnart/comments/dapk62/from_the_guy_who_made_the_most_comprehensive_list/ Being Mortal by Atul Gawande - https://amzn.to/4dPNix3 Andrew Huberman - https://www.hubermanlab.com/ Simon Sinek -​​ https://simonsinek.com Simon Sinek - Coronavirus Team Speech - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdSWReBrQuk Don Richardson IMDb - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0724504/ Edgar Müller sidewalk art - https://www.metanamorph.com/ SLEW - https://slewniverse.com/ Meet The Man Who Can Teach Anyone to Draw - https://youtu.be/Usry6gVEAcE?si=6OBw6M1Gb0fGvRa8 In-Depth Tour of the Greatest Art Studio in California - https://youtu.be/R4ocBGf0614?si=UOaYZn76HIVtS7Gn SLEW doc on Zac Crawford - This Artist Makes $1,000 Per Day Drawing People in NYC - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kA9Qk4HKa4 Tim Ferriss - https://tim.blog/ Maui Nui Venison Sticks - https://mauinuivenison.com/ Perfect Bar - https://perfectsnacks.com/ Artists Mentioned:  Justin Sweet Vance Kovacs Vance’s Mouse Guard art - Old Greyfur Tells a Story.jpg Artists who studied at the closed American Academy of Art College in Chicago - Thomas Blackshear, Alex Ross, Richard Schmid, Howard Terpning, Gil Elvgren, Haddon Sundblom Remedios Varo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Long-term projects require dedication, focus, and patience, often starting with a big goal and breaking it into smaller, manageable tasks. Marshall and Stan discuss the crucial way to stay motivated by celebrating small wins and maintaining a balance between work and rest to avoid burnout. Collaboration can help, but knowing when to delegate is key. The two also talk about embracing unexpected bursts of inspiration and using your most energetic times for critical tasks. Remember, saying no to less important things can help you focus on what truly matters. Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko Show Links (some contain affiliate links): Atoms shoes - https://atoms.com/ Golden Mind Gold Milk - https://remedyorganics.com/ Coconut Water - https://harmlessharvest.com/ Kyoto Uji Matcha - https://www.ochaandco.com/ CLARI-TI SuperShot (Blue Spirulina) - https://solti.com/ 23 Habits for Artists - Draftsmen S01E14 - https://youtu.be/WrKyzUMERKc?si=fYmxznu8jEGStBGP A Game of Pool - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOorjFsGNKU Figure Course - https://www.proko.com/figure Anatomy Course - https://www.proko.com/anatomy Young Frankenstein - https://tv.apple.com/ca/movie/young-frankenstein/umc.cmc.qdwp732xvf641j94g9shwan7 Daniel Pink Ted Talk - https://youtu.be/rrkrvAUbU9Y?si=Q39zREtWeoP45peM Ken Burns Masterclass - https://www.masterclass.com/classes/ken-burns-teaches-documentary-filmmaking Ken Burns Brooklyn Bridge Documentary - https://amzn.to/3WH3OZw Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (2001) - https://amzn.to/3AkLxcN Design Your Career with a Whiteboard - https://www.proko.com/whiteboard The Art of Songwriting with Stephen Sondheim and Adam Guettel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TofC3KD-h8M The Psychology of Performance by Dr. Eddie O’Connor - https://amzn.to/4dAkTM1 Books: Atomic Habits by James Clear - https://amzn.to/3M0ZDCT Six Thinking Hats by Edward de Bono - https://amzn.to/3YCtZmF Drive by Daniel Pink - https://amzn.to/4cmCMfO When by Daniel Pink - https://amzn.to/4fHQU64 Slow Productivity by Cal Newport - https://amzn.to/3M7W8KE Zen in the Art of Writing by Ray Bradbury - https://amzn.to/3SGL3nx Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Marshall and Stan discuss the importance of cinematic perspective in storytelling, emphasizing how camera placement, movement, lighting, and color can influence the audience's emotions and perceptions. By manipulating these elements, artists can create dynamic and engaging narratives. They also touched on the contrast between continuity and dialectic approaches in film editing, using examples from classic and modern films to illustrate how these techniques enhance storytelling. Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko Show Links (some contain affiliate links): The Perspective Course - http://proko.com/perspective  Marvel's The Art of Storytelling - http://proko.com/marvel  Cody Shank - https://codyshank.com  Sergei Eisenstein - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Eisenstein  Vsevolod Pudovkin - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vsevolod_Pudovkin  The Kuleshov Effect - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuleshov_effect  Storytelling - Draftsmen S3E32 - https://www.proko.com/course-lesson/storytelling-draftsmen-s3e32/  Storytelling Lessons from The Simpsons - https://www.proko.com/simpsons  Books: Tongue Twisters by Alvin Schwartz - https://amzn.to/46xEeup The Elements of Eloquence by Mark Forsyth - https://amzn.to/4fs9sr3  Nicholas Nickleby by Charles Dickens - https://amzn.to/4ceFCDh  The Pickwick Papers, AKA The Posthumous Papers of the Pickwick Club by Charles Dickens - https://amzn.to/3WsCxcU  A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens - https://amzn.to/4fxI8HO Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austin - https://amzn.to/3A7yDic  Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austin - https://amzn.to/4ceFNyr  Where’s Waldo by Martin Handford - https://amzn.to/3AaBA1z  Understanding Movies by Louis Giannetti - https://amzn.to/4ca5hx6  Thank You For Arguing by Jay Heinrichs - https://amzn.to/4dweyk9  Movies: Ben-Hur (1925) - https://amzn.to/3YAbeAq  The Bear (2022 - Present) - https://www.hulu.com/series/05eb6a8e-90ed-4947-8c0b-e6536cbddd5f  Peaky Blinders (2013-2022) - https://www.netflix.com/title/80002479  Toy Story (1995) - https://amzn.to/4clhAGS  M*A*S*H (1970) - https://amzn.to/3X3u2H7  The Wizard of Oz (1939) - https://amzn.to/46CgdT1  Battleship Potemkin (1925) - https://amzn.to/4ci88Ed Back to the Future (1985) - https://amzn.to/4cgTD3m  Memento (2000) - https://amzn.to/46xFfCJ Betrayal (1983) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu2iT8fj3VI  Cast Away (2000) - https://amzn.to/46B5loi  Network (1976) - https://amzn.to/3LSlFHV  The Social Network (2010) - https://amzn.to/3SFdtyj  Double Indemnity (1944) - https://amzn.to/3WuiPh4  The Hangover (2009) - https://amzn.to/3Aaxwyd  The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (1966) - https://amzn.to/3SFuWXv Midnight Run (1988) - https://amzn.to/4dhMl0U One Hour Photo (2002) - https://amzn.to/4dw3XFY  Dr. Strangelove (1964) - https://amzn.to/4dbPXBq  Ordinary People (1980) - https://amzn.to/3SExoO9  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this special SDCC panel, Stan is joined by Marvel artists and instructors from the course to share their personal journeys and offer advice for aspiring comic book artists. Learn what it takes to become a professional comic artist straight from the experts themselves. Find out how long it took them to get their break at Marvel, why they create comics, and get insider tips for getting a job in the industry. Signup for "Marvel's The Art of Storytelling" - proko.com/marvel Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode follows painter Stephen Bauman's journey from graffiti artist to fine art professional. He discusses his beginnings tagging buildings in Miami, training at the prestigious Florence Academy, and developing his artistic skills and philosophy. Bauman provides insights into mastering figure drawing, finding inspiration, judging good art, and creating work that is beautifully crafted. Stephen Bauman - www.stephenbaumanartwork.com/ Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Legendary artist and instructor Glenn Vilppu sits down for an intimate discussion on his artistic journey, sharing wisdom and advice for mastering fundamentals like gesture drawing and developing your own artistic voice. Vilppu explains his training under old master artists and transition from painting to animation, emphasizing imagination over imitation. He provides tips on how to study classical techniques, use anatomical references, and avoid common mistakes like stiff gestures. Glenn Vilppu - vilppuacademy.com/ Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Former Disney animator Aaron Blaise discusses his rapid journey to animating major characters at 21, losing his wife and leaving Disney, and starting an art education website to pass on artistic knowledge. Blaise also talks about his lifelong obsession with drawing animals, gaining inspiration from mentor Glen Keane, and the traditional hand-drawn animation process at Disney. Aaron Blaise - creatureartteacher.com Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This interview with Steve Huston covers his journey from comic books to fine art painting, his unique style combining realism with abstract expressionism, and his insights on figure drawing. Steve explains his mastery of lighting and form, approach to conveying emotion through art, and thoughts on engaging audiences. He also covers some of his artistic philosophies and the path it took to becoming a master painter and beloved instructor. Steve Huston - stevehustonart.com Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This interview with illustrator Karl Kopinski covers his artistic journey, from early influences like fantasy novels and biology books to honing his skills at Games Workshop. Karl provides an inside look at freelancing for big brands like Magic: The Gathering and Netflix, building an accidental social media following thanks to his wife's encouragement, and the discipline needed to draw for 10+ hours daily. He also shares funny stories from conventions, his approach to developing original characters, and the obsessive research that goes into historical paintings. Karl Kopinski - karlkopinski.com/ Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeff Watts is the founder of the Watts Atelier and Stan's art instructor. Stan recently got to invite him into the Proko studio to film a special Draftsmen podcast where they discuss his own artistic journey, the elusive Reilly method, and more. If you want to learn more about the Reilly Method, check out Jeff’s new course on Proko. You’ll learn the academic approach which emphasizes the use of rhythm, abstraction, and geometric shapes to accurately depict the human form - https://www.proko.com/s/W1Tq Jeff Watts - www.wattsatelier.com Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Marshall and Stan give their thoughts about the book The Culture Code: The Secrets of Highly Successful Groups.  Skull sketchbook samples - https://www.proko.com/course-lesson/s4e2/notes Kim Jung Gi memorial sketchbook samples - https://www.proko.com/course-lesson/s4e2/notes MC Escher - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/draftsmen-s4-e2-mc-escher-hand-ball.jpg Heinrich Kley - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/draftsmen-s4-e2-heinrich-kley-all-nine-pins-are-down.jpg Proko lanyard - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/draftsmen-s4-e2-proko-lanyard.jpg Art Parents episode - https://proko.com/330  The Culture Code - https://amzn.to/3Uy4H3u  The Talent Code - https://amzn.to/3VT1MmT  The Little Book of Talents - https://amzn.to/3BdBNyI  Talent Code episode - https://proko.com/591  Basics Course - https://proko.com/drawing  The Honest Placebo - https://time.com/5375724/placebo-bill-health-problems Papa Swolio - https://www.tiktok.com/@papaswolio  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A lot of things in the art world have changed since the last time Marshall and I talked, perhaps nothing more so than AI art. More and more artists are wondering what this emerging technology means for them. That’s why, in this episode, Marshall and I will catch up and discuss the current landscape of AI art, its ethics, and potential uses. Btw, the same day that we recorded this episode, Steven Zapata released a video about his thoughts that has been passed around widely. His video instantly made our episode outdated! As you listen to this, keep in mind, at that point we had not yet heard Steven's message - https://youtu.be/tjSxFAGP9Ss Stan's Drawing Basics Course: https://proko.com/drawing SHOW LINKS (some contain affiliate links): Disco Diffusion - http://discodiffusion.com/ Stable Diffusion - https://stability.ai/blog/stable-diffusion-public-release Midjourney - https://www.midjourney.com/home/ Dave McKean - https://www.davemckean.com/ Interview - https://youtu.be/I-PaCc96oQM Kirsten Zirngibl - https://www.kirstenzirngibl.com/ Kirsten Zirngibl Art - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/kz-art-draftsmen-s4e01.jpg Kirsten’s presentation - https://2022.lightboxexpo.com/guest/kirsten-zirngibl/ Karla Ortiz - http://www.karlaortizart.com/ AI Spectrum from Kirsten’s presentation - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/kz-ai-spectrum-draftsmen-s4e01.jpg Dorian Iten - https://www.dorian-iten.com/ Winsor McCay and African Architecture AI image - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/dorian-winsor-mccay-african-architecture-draftsmen-s4e01.jpg Referenced McCay images - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/winsor-mccay-references-draftsmen-s4e01.jpg Stan’s McKean AI - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/mckean-inspired-podcast-ai-art-draftsmen-s4e01.jpg Art Parents episode - https://proko.com/330 CS Lewis - The Abolition of Man (book) - https://amzn.to/3UaBqfs Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein - https://amzn.to/3zukecE Perspective Box episode - https://proko.com/369 AI Marshall Young (not done yet) AI Kristian pimples - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/kristian-pimples-draftsmen-s4e01.jpg Proko logo generation - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/proko-logo-koi-pond-ai-draftsmen-s4e01-4.jpg AI stuff sent to Marshall - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/ai-art-sent-to-marshall-draftsmen-s4e01.jpg Skull paintover series - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/skullz-paintover-draftsmen-s4e01.jpg Sandman Netflix poster - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/sandman-poster-draftsmen-s4e01.jpg AI Kim Jung Gi - https://restofworld.org/2022/ai-backlash-anime-artists/ Album covers - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/referenced-album-covers-draftsmen-s4e01.jpg Aaron Blaise art in studio - https://static.proko.com/media/images/stan/aaron-blaise-draftsmen-s4e01.jpg  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stan and Marshall are here to address the many creative blocks posed in the last episode of Draftsmen, and provide long-awaited solutions. The two discuss ways to get over creative blocks, be they cultural, emotional, or otherwise. Learn how to recognize and grow past your limits and continue on your creative journey. Show Links (some contain affiliate links): Kirsten Zirngibl - https://kirstenzirngibl.com/ Fishing for Elephants by Larry Moore - https://amzn.to/3pWLtqG How to be More Creative by David D Edwards - https://amzn.to/3pWgCuu Jerry Mander - https://amzn.to/3GxG5kK Erwin Di Cyan - https://amzn.to/3pMI120 Wolves in the Walls by Neil Gaiman - https://amzn.to/3m4SxAz Sandman - https://amzn.to/3pWNxyW The Suicide Squad - https://amzn.to/3dQ8fuM Guardians of the Galaxy - https://amzn.to/3ESBCZj Start with Why by Simon Sinek - https://amzn.to/3DRHO2s Ira Glass - https://youtu.be/GHrmKL2XKcE Glenn Vilppu - https://amzn.to/3IP7OiT Stephen King - https://amzn.to/3yp1cml Bob Duncan - https://www.oklahoman.com/article/2109874/husband-wife-writers-team-up-for-success Six Thinking Hats by Edward de Bono - https://amzn.to/3rZFggw Fast Cheap and Out of Control - https://amzn.to/3oR9Xm9  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices