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2019/06/19
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2026/09/22
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The majority of physicians will be sued during their career, yet the topic is largely taboo. This podcast for physicians discusses malpractice litigation and litigation stress, with the voices of doctors who have been through it. Music by @BenJamin Banger. Learn more about creator Gita Pensa M.D. at doctorsandlitigation.com Also available on Apple Podcasts and Spotify
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Claims Frequency and Severity in 2026: An Interview with Robert E. White, Jr.
2026/09/22
This month we're taking a look at the data available to physicians regarding their risk of malpractice litigation in the US.
We are typically limited to survey data, national insurance company claims data, and data from the National Practitioner Data Bank. We discuss some of the limitations of these, and our increasing appetite for more specialty-specific, geography-specific granular data, and the potential for building better databases that pull comprehensively from these resources and local public records. Doctors deserve clarity and specificity of information in order to make informed decisions about where, and whether, and in what manner, to practice.
The best data we currently have comes from large insurer claims databases. In today's episode, host Dr. Gita Pensa has the privilege of talking to Robert E. White, Jr., President of The Doctors Company and TDC Group, and the author of a recent article detailing the company's most recent internal data on claims frequency and severity. The Doctors Company is now the largest physician-owned medical malpractice liability (MPL) insurer in the United States, and operates in all fifty states.
The article, "Fewer Physicians Report Being Sued but Medical Malpractice Claim Severity Keeps Rising," details trends of lower frequency of claims but higher severity (increased financial losses per claim), and what that may mean for future costs, impacts on physician practice, and patients' access to healthcare.
Robert E. White, Jr., is President of TDC Group. In his current role, Mr. White oversees the operations of the four business units that make up TDC Group: The Doctors Company, TDC Specialty Underwriters, Healthcare Risk Advisors, and ProAssurance. He assists in the growth of TDC Group and expands its mission-based platform for service to healthcare in whatever practice model members and insureds choose.
Mr. White has more than 50 years of experience in the insurance industry. He managed the claims and loss prevention departments of several commercial and doctor-owned insurance companies before coming to The Doctors Company in an administrative capacity more than 25 years ago. Additionally, he served as President of the insurance operations of FPIC Insurance Group from 2002 to 2011.
Mr. White is Chairman of the Board of the Florida Justice Reform Institute, a Member of the Florida Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors, and a Board Member of the Florida Insurance Council, as well as a Board Member and former Chair of the Board of Governors of the Florida Medical Malpractice Joint Underwriting Association. Mr. White is also a former Board Member of the Medical Professional Liability Association, and currently serves on three of its committees. Mr. White received the 2026 Award of Excellence in Honor of Peter Sweetland; the award recognizes individuals who have demonstrated exceptional service, leadership, and long-standing commitment to the MPL community.
Related Resources for further learning and context:
Communication after Catastrophe (S3, E1): podcast with Dr. Anthony Orsini
'Nuclear Verdicts' (S2, E5): podcast with Dusty Otwell, JD
‘Medical errors are the third leading cause of death’ and other statistics you should question
(Health Journalism, 2023)
Appeals court reverses over $200M judgment against All Children's Hospital in 'Maya' case, NPR / WUSF 2025
The Weaponization of Punitive Damages (S3, E7): podcast with Jessica Marshall, JD
Lifting the Shadows: Restating the Case for Reforming Third-Party Litigation Funding (TPLF), Institute for Legal Reform product, US Chamber of Commerce, October 2025
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Take the LEAP! Be litigation-ready.
Doctors and Patient-Facing Clinicians: Learn from Dr. Pensa's Litigation Education and Performance for Clinicians course. Up to 16 hours of AMA Category 1 CME/CNE credits available in this self-paced, attorney-approved video course that will teach you about the skills and mindset required to face medical litigation with integrity and know how. Learn many of the performance coaching techniques Dr. Pensa uses with her own 1:1 coaching clients.
START HERE: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/leap-for-clinicians
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Attorneys, Risk, Claims, and Medical Leadership: Learn about "Defense LEAP" and partnering with Dr. Pensa to ensure your medical defendants are supported and prepared from the very beginning. I help with the fear, the confusion, and the basic education -- so your time with them is spent on elevated strategy instead of groundwork.
Contact Dr. Pensa through her website to learn more: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/contact
Medical Leadership and Litigation: Ten Steps to Changing Culture
2026/08/17
Imagine you are a highly capable physician who saved a patient's life. You're sued over it anyway.
Actually, your hospital system is sued for it, but they need you to defend it.
You spend days preparing for deposition, then eventually many weeks preparing for trial -- not to mention the five years of stress you endured leading up to it. You miss work for days of meetings with attorneys, and then for several weeks at trial, where you are maligned, misrepresented, and personally attacked.
Nevertheless, you testify like a consummate professional, bring the whole thing across the finish line, secure a victory for your hospital in court..and start learning to live with the scars.
And then? You return to work. You have to work a lot extra, because now you have to make up all the shifts you missed during prep and trial.
But nobody at work seems to know anything even happened. No one from Risk or leadership acknowledges your actions, or says 'thank you for saving the hospital $30 million'. No one mentions anything about what was the most difficult experience in your professional life. And when you meet with your boss for your scheduled annual review after your return, he asks you how your "vacation" was.
This was the experience of one of my clients, and it is a shockingly common one. In fact, it's the norm. And, unsurprisingly, it creates a lot of resentment.
This is not good leadership.
This episode is about how to be a better leader for your physicians, nurses, and other clinicians in litigation. It's a conversation about why it matters, and why it's both the right thing to do and advantageous to your organization's bottom line.
Have a listen to learn about host Dr. Gita Pensa's 10-point framework, one she workshops with hospitals and medical organizations across the country.
Mentioned resource:
Becker's Hospital Review: Uncontrollable Stress in Healthcare Workers May Be a Legal Hazard Researchers Argue
Duty to Reduce Uncontrollable Stress in Healthcare Workers. Help Is on the Way
Health; Privatera et al., 2026.
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Take the LEAP! Be litigation-ready.
Doctors and Patient-Facing Clinicians: Learn from Dr. Pensa's Litigation Education and Performance for Clinicians course. Up to 16 hours of AMA Category 1 CME/CNE credits available in this self-paced, attorney-approved video course that will teach you about the skills and mindset required to face medical litigation with integrity and know how. Learn many of the performance coaching techniques Dr. Pensa uses with her own 1:1 coaching clients.
START HERE: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/leap-for-clinicians
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Attorneys, Risk, Claims, and Medical Leadership: Learn about "Defense LEAP" and partnering with Dr. Pensa to ensure your medical defendants are supported and prepared from the very beginning. I help with the fear, the confusion, and the basic education -- so your time with them is spent on elevated strategy instead of groundwork.
Contact Dr. Pensa through her website to learn more: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/contact
Advanced Practice Providers (APPs) and Litigation: Starting the Conversation
2026/07/19
Physician assistants (PAs), nurse practitioners (NPs), certified registered nurse anesthetists (CRNAs), certified nurse midwives (CNMs), and other non-physician clinicians increasingly face malpractice litigation -- sometimes along with a physician...and sometimes not.
For the purposes of education, we'll put them all under the umbrella of Advanced Practice Provider, or APP, although their roles vary greatly, and we acknowledge this.
And, although it barely seems possible, APPs usually have had even less education about litigation than physicians.
This episode starts with the story of a PA who won at trial, describing the experience in her own words.
We then discuss some critical issues for APPs in litigation, and the doctors who work with them, with defense attorney Anthony Abeln, of Hamel Marcin Dunn Reardon and Shea PC. Mr. Abeln is a member of the bar of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts. His practice areas include professional liability defense, hospital and medical law, product liability, and others. He holds degrees in law, educational policy, and history and policy, and is a member of the bar of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts. He also teaches legal writing and appellate advocacy at New England Law/Boston.
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Take the LEAP! Be litigation-ready.
Learn from Dr. Pensa's Litigation Education and Performance for Clinicians course. Up to 16 hours of AMA Category 1 CME/CNE credits available in this self-paced, attorney-approved video course that will teach you about the skills and mindset required to face medical litigation with integrity and know how. Learn many of the performance coaching techniques Dr. Pensa uses with her own 1:1 coaching clients.
START HERE: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/leap-for-clinicians
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Attorneys, Risk, Claims, and Medical Leadership: Learn about "Defense LEAP" and partnering with Dr. Pensa to ensure your medical defendants are supported and prepared from the very beginning. I help with the fear, the confusion, and the basic education -- so your time with them is spent on elevated strategy instead of groundwork.
Contact Dr. Pensa through her website to learn more: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/contact
Know Your Opponent: Trends in Plaintiff's Attorney Tactics
2026/06/15
Litigation in the U.S. is an enormous business sector. Tort costs exceeded $529 billion in 2022, rising at 7.1% annually between 2016 and 2022, outpacing both inflation and GDP growth. Medical malpractice litigation is part of this machine. The burden gets passed back to American households through higher premiums, defensive medicine, and reduced resources for care.
Your opponent in litigation is not the plaintiff. It's the plaintiff's attorney, who is part of this industry -- and you are what stands between them and, potentially, millions of dollars.
So doesn't it make sense that they will try any tactic available to them to win--even if they know, deep down, that your care was reasonable?
Trial consultant and communications expert Heather Hansen returns to the podcast to talk about knowing your opponent: what plaintiff's attorneys are doing, why they're doing it, and how unprepared physicians can get stuck in sticky traps, even when their medicine was good. Plaintiff's attorneys publicly teach their newest tactics to one another as a matter of furthering their business interests -- and now you can understand what they're doing as well.
Guest: Heather Hansen is a deposition and trial consultant, and a renowned expert on persuasion, influence, and credibility. For over 20 years, she defended providers and hospitals in medical malpractice cases. She has helped leaders from Harvard Business School, Google, LinkedIn, LVMH, the American Medical Association, and Hospital Corporations of America advocate for change, resources, opportunities, and attention. Heather has been featured on The Today Show, Dr Oz, CNN, Fox News Channel, MSNBC, CBS, and Fox Business. She’s the best-selling author of The Elegant Warrior: How to Win Life’s Trials Without Losing Yourself.
Mentioned Resources:
Heather Hansen created The Prepared Expert course to help ethical expert witnesses communicate with confidence, credibility, and composure under pressure.
Malpractice Liability and Health Care Quality: A Review — JAMA, 2020
US Chamber of Commerce Tort Costs in America
Heather Hansen's previous appearance: The Blame Game: Finger Pointing in Charting and Litigation
Compassionomics
Trial Guides
Reptile: The 2009 Manual of the Plantiff's Revolution by David Ball and Don Keenan is out of print, but you can find old copies on eBay or Amazon.
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Take the LEAP! Be litigation-ready.
Learn from Dr. Pensa's attorney-vetted Litigation Education and Performance for Clinicians course. Up to 16 hours of AMA Category 1 CME/CNE credits available in this self-paced video course that will teach you about the skills and mindset required to face medical litigation with integrity and know how. Learn many of the performance coaching techniques Dr. Pensa uses with her own 1:1 coaching clients.
START HERE: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/leap-for-clinicians
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Attorneys, Risk, Claims, and Medical Leadership: Learn about "Defense LEAP" and partnering with Dr. Pensa to ensure your medical defendants are supported and prepared from the very beginning. I help with the fear, the confusion, and the basic education -- so your time with them is spent on elevated strategy instead of groundwork.
Contact Dr. Pensa through her website to learn more: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/contact
Perfectionism in Medicine and Litigation
2026/05/18
Perfectionism is one of the most underappreciated drivers of suffering in malpractice litigation, and one of the least talked about. In this episode, Dr. Gita Pensa is joined by Dr. Amna Shabbir, dual board-certified physician, Master Certified Life Coach, and TEDx speaker, to explore how the perfectionism that made us good doctors becomes our own worst enemy when we are sued.
We explore the shame-perfectionism cycle that medicine instills in us, how it shapes our response to being named in a lawsuit, and what it looks like to move from self-punishment toward excellence grounded in courage and clarity. We emphasize that civil litigation is a dispute resolution mechanism, not a verdict on your care or your character, and explore why that distinction is so hard to hold onto.
Dr. Shabbir is the creator of the Courage Bridge, a framework for high achievers ready to redefine success without sacrificing standards.
In this episode:
Why perfectionism and shame are baked into medical training
How litigation exploits that conditioning
The difference between pursuing excellence and chasing perfection
The self-punishment and self-criticism that often accompanies perfectionism
Why even physicians who know they did nothing wrong still may suffer
What it means to separate your identity from the accusation
The most pervasive types of perfectionism and how they apply in medicine
Resources mentioned or recommended:
Dr. Amna Shabbir's TEDx Talk: "Perfectionism Has a Solution: It's Not What You Think"
The Courage Bridge: dramnashabbir.com
LEAP for Clinicians course
Self-Compassion and the work of Dr. Kristin Neff
Dr. Will Bynum and his work on Shame in Medicine
The Nocturnists' Shame in Medicine series
Roon: The Digital Home for Medicine. Ask-Me-Anything with Dr. Pensa on June 4, 2026
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Take the LEAP! Be litigation-ready.
Learn from Dr. Pensa's attorney-vetted Litigation Education and Performance for Clinicians course. Up to 16 hours of AMA Category 1 CME/CNE credits available in this self-paced video course that will teach you about the skills and mindset required to face medical litigation with integrity and know-how. Learn many of the techniques Dr. Pensa uses with her own 1:1 coaching clients.
START HERE: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/leap-for-clinicians
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Attorneys, Risk, Claims, and Medical Leadership: Learn about "Defense LEAP" and partnering with Dr. Pensa to ensure your medical defendants are supported and prepared from the very beginning. Contact Dr. Pensa through her website to learn more: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/contact
The Weaponization of Punitive Damages
2026/04/16
In this episode, we take a hard look at the growing use, and misuse, of punitive damages allegations in medical malpractice cases -- and how this trend has reshaped the practice of medicine in places like New Mexico.
What was once intended as a rare legal tool to punish truly egregious conduct is increasingly being deployed early and broadly, sometimes before the facts of a case are fully known.
It significantly raises the emotional and financial stakes, often destabilizing defendants and influencing decision-making in ways that have little to do with the quality of the care provided, and more to do with avoiding the risk of catastrophic personal loss.
The result is not only profound individual distress, but a ripple effect across the healthcare system.
We explore how this type of environment predictably drives physicians out of higher-risk regions, contributing to growing care deserts, and ultimately affecting patient access and outcomes. What happens to a healthcare system when the legal climate becomes too predatory, too dangerous, for good doctors to practice there?
Defense attorney Jessica Marshall , partner in the Albuquerque office of Mayer, LLP, is here today to help us make sense of these implications. We discuss the dramatic loss of access to doctors in New Mexico as a direct result of its predatory malpractice climate, and, in particular, the weaponization of punitive damages as a routine pressure tactic. We also highlight the positive results of recent staunch advocacy from doctors, lawyers, and patients alike, hoping to restore access to care in New Mexico.
We end with a call to action: what is happening in your state?
In nearly every state, plaintiff's attorneys exert heavy lobbying dollars, and even become state legislators in order to introduce legislation that enriches them. Even in states with current common sense protections, there are efforts to walk back limitations of the use of punitive damages and existing caps on damages. But, as you'll see in this conversation, when that happens, there can be devastating real-world consequences for patients and their doctors alike. It's not theoretical.
Have a listen and share this with your colleagues.
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Take the LEAP! Be litigation-ready.
Learn from Dr. Pensa's attorney-vetted Litigation Education and Performance for Clinicians course. Up to 16 hours of AMA Category 1 CME/CNE credits available in this self-paced video course that will teach you about the skills and mindset required to face medical litigation with integrity and know-how. Learn many of the techniques Dr. Pensa uses with her own 1:1 coaching clients.
START HERE: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/leap-for-clinicians
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Attorneys, Risk, Claims, and Medical Leadership: Learn about "Defense LEAP" and partnering with Dr. Pensa to ensure your medical defendants are supported and prepared from the very beginning. Contact Dr. Pensa through her website to learn more: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/contact
"Reviving Fairness" in Malpractice Litigation: John Hall Returns
2026/03/19
In this episode, host Dr. Gita Pensa sits down to continue her conversation with elite defense trial attorney, John E. Hall, Jr. His recent book, "Reviving Fairness: Defending Healthcare Heroes", outlines the shifts in the modern world of American medical liability litigation, and offers a timely call to confront the malpractice climate harming clinicians and threatening access to care.
We talk about themes in his book, and touch on many other facets of litigation, including third party litigation funding (private equity investing in and funding plaintiff's attorney cases) and why even busy doctors should show up for jury duty with the greater good in mind.
John E. Hall, Jr. is a senior partner at Hall Booth Smith and a nationally recognized trial lawyer focused on defending healthcare professionals and medical institutions in high-exposure litigation. He is one of the founders of American Legal Connections, a national network advancing strategy and reform in complex medical defense and other high-stakes cases. John is known for his disciplined trial preparation and proactive approach to preventing aberration verdicts. He's also an author of other non-fiction and fiction books, a songwriter, and a leading voice calling for the reform of predatory malpractice litigation practices in the US.
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Check out Dr. Pensa's recent appearance on The Pitt Podcast -- the HBO Max companion podcast to the Emmy-winning hit show, The Pitt!
Gita Pensa was thrilled to be a consultant for the hit drama The Pitt for the 2nd and (upcoming) 3rd seasons, bringing her expertise in malpractice litigation stress to help the show's writers understand what clinicians carry behind the scenes. She speaks about it more in Episode 10 of the HBO Max companion podcast.
Watch here now:
https://youtu.be/phwbzDMCuUc?si=DUymrA6dE9xYYVx_&t=2070
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Take the LEAP! Be litigation-ready.
Learn from Dr. Pensa's attorney-vetted Litigation Education and Performance for Clinicians course. Up to 16 hours of AMA Category 1 CME/CNE credits available in this self-paced video course that will teach you about the skills and mindset required to face medical litigation with integrity and know how. Learn many of the techniques Dr. Pensa uses with her own 1:1 coaching clients.
START HERE: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/leap-for-clinicians
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Attorneys, Risk, Claims, and Medical Leadership: Learn about "Defense LEAP" and partnering with Dr. Pensa to ensure your medical defendants are supported and prepared from the very beginning. Contact Dr. Pensa through her website to learn more: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/contact
The Educated Defendant, Part Two: An Elite Trial Attorney's Advice
2026/02/19
What happens when a physician defendant doesn’t just “get through” litigation — but prepares for it?
In Part 2 of The Educated Defendant, host Dr. Gita Pensa sits down with the veteran trial attorney who defended Dr. Nirav Patel. (If you haven't listened to part 1, start there!)
John E. Hall, Jr. helps us unpack what made this case different. What does an experienced defense lawyer actually want from a physician witness? What separates a reactive, defensive defendant from one who is credible, collaborative, and compelling in front of a jury?
We talk about preparation, presence, strategy, and the often-unspoken dynamic between lawyer and doctor in high-stakes malpractice trials.
John E. Hall, Jr. is a senior partner at Hall Booth Smith and a nationally recognized trial lawyer focused on defending healthcare professionals and medical institutions in high-exposure litigation. He is the author of Reviving Fairness: Defending Healthcare Heroes and one of the founders of American Legal Connections, a national network advancing strategy and reform in complex medical defense and other high-stakes cases. John is known for his disciplined trial preparation and proactive approach to preventing aberration verdicts.
Next month, John Hall returns to discuss his newest book, Reviving Fairness: Defending Healthcare Heroes.
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Check out Dr. Pensa's recent appearance on The Pitt Podcast -- the HBO Max companion podcast to the Emmy-winning hit show, The Pitt!
Gita Pensa was thrilled to be a consultant for the hit drama The Pitt for the 2nd and (upcoming) 3rd seasons, bringing her expertise in malpractice litigation stress to help the show's writers understand what clinicians carry behind the scenes. She speaks about it more in Episode 10 of the HBO Max companion podcast.
Watch here now:
https://youtu.be/phwbzDMCuUc?si=DUymrA6dE9xYYVx_&t=2070
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Take the LEAP! Be litigation-ready.
Learn from Dr. Pensa's attorney-vetted Litigation Education and Performance for Clinicians course. Up to 16 hours of AMA Category 1 CME/CNE credits available in this self-paced video course that will teach you about the skills and mindset required to face medical litigation with integrity and know how. Learn many of the techniques Dr. Pensa uses with her own 1:1 coaching clients.
START HERE: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/leap-for-clinicians
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Attorneys, Risk, Claims, and Medical Leadership: Learn about "Defense LEAP" and partnering with Dr. Pensa to ensure your medical defendants are supported and prepared from the very beginning. Contact Dr. Pensa through her website to learn more: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/contact
The Educated Defendant: An Attorney's Best Asset
2026/01/18
THIS EPISODE is a must-listen for anyone facing, or fearing, litigation. (And their attorneys.)
Host Dr. Pensa interviews radiologist Dr. Nirav Patel about his extraordinary journey through litigation...and what he did to become his legal team's secret weapon.
You can do it, too.
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Check out Dr. Pensa's recent appearance on The Pitt Podcast -- the HBO Max companion podcast to the Emmy-winning hit show, The Pitt!
Gita Pensa was thrilled to be a consultant for the hit drama The Pitt for the 2nd and (upcoming) 3rd seasons, bringing her expertise in malpractice litigation stress to help the show's writers understand what clinicians carry behind the scenes. She speaks about it more in Episode 10 of the HBO Max companion podcast.
Watch here now:
https://youtu.be/phwbzDMCuUc?si=DUymrA6dE9xYYVx_&t=2070
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Take the LEAP! Be litigation-ready.
Learn from Dr. Pensa's attorney-vetted Litigation Education and Performance for Clinicians course. Up to 16 hours of AMA Category 1 CME/CNE credits available in this self-paced video course that will teach you about the skills and mindset required to face medical litigation with integrity and know how. Learn many of the techniques Dr. Pensa uses with her own 1:1 coaching clients.
START HERE: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/leap-for-clinicians
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Attorneys, Risk, Claims, and Medical Leadership: Learn about "Defense LEAP" and partnering with Dr. Pensa to ensure your medical defendants are supported and prepared from the very beginning. Contact Dr. Pensa through her website to learn more: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/contact
Malpractice Litigation and Advocacy
2025/12/16
This month we take a high level view of the landscape of 'tort reform' in the US (and what does that even mean?)
Physician-lawyer Dr. Shilpa Mathew, MD JD, walks us through some basics of tort law and advocacy efforts in the US, how you can get involved, and why it matters. (Note: Dr. Mathew's views expressed in this podcast are strictly her own, and not representative of her employer or ACOG.)
Shilpa Mathew, MD, JD, is a Northern California physician double board-certified in Obstetrics & Gynecology and Lifestyle Medicine. She is a former practicing attorney who spent the latter half of her legal career focused on health insurance and regulatory compliance and brings a unique perspective to the intersection of law, medicine, and policy. She has long been active in health advocacy and policy efforts—ranging from things such as pro bono legal work to protect basic health rights of foreign detainees in US prisons to serving as a medical student delegate to the California and American Medical Associations. She has a particular passion for issues related to medical malpractice and focused her residency research project on malpractice knowledge, attitudes and perceptions of OB/GYN residents nationwide. Currently, she serves as the Co-Chair of the Legislative Committee for the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in California, where together with a team, she helps shape policy to advance women’s health.
BONUS: In the introduction, host Dr. Gita Pensa talks about her own litigation advocacy wish list - there are some 'standard' wishes on there, and some you may not have considered before.
Here is Dr. Pensa's informal Holiday Wish List for malpractice litigation reform.
BIG picture, pipe dream stuff: no-fault systems or state based compensation funds, healthcare specific courts, specialized judges...
Protection for doctors
Similar to Utah HB 503 legislation: if doctors carry adequate liability coverage, no going after their personal assets
Or at least abolish post-judgment wage garnishment, or have limits on duration
Very clear and consistent protections of retirement accounts and primary residence
No punitive damages demands without case passing a strict standard/tribunal beforehand
Protection for mental health records and peer support/emotional support for health care workers
No data bank reporting in no-fault settlements
Employed doctors can't be named as individuals (think about other corporate litigation -- Boeing, for example. Engineers aren't named individually)
Employed physicians should get "litigation leave", time for litigation prep and trial, and no adverse consequences if productivity-based
Attorney reforms
Caps on plaintiff's attorney contingency fees, and no double dipping for costs above that
"Loser pays" ("English rule") for legal fees
Attorney should face consequences for baseless punitive damages accusations
Limits on venue shopping
Limits on pre-trial or pre-resolution publicity
Prohibition of attorney social media posting about active cases, especially disparagement of involved parties
Sanctions for misleading press pre-trial press releases (which can cause reputational harm for doctors)
Standards of professionalism for depositions and reasonable limits (6h) for duration (and consequences for not adhering to them)
Early resolution programs
Require Michigan Model-type early resolution attempts, and require the doctor and plaintiffs to be in the room together
Early neutral evaluation (with currently practicing, same-specialty physician input), with ability for outright dismissal for reasonable care
Time limits on expert retention -- no plaintiff's expert supporting the case a year after filing? No case.
Expert Witness Reform
No testifying if you are not currently actively practicing and in same specialty as defendant
Medical board oversight of expert witnesses -- with the ability to censure
Legal implications for outright false testimony
It's a wish list. But...the only way to move towards any of these steps is through involvement and advocacy.
Happy Holidays to all, and we'll see you in 2026.
The Blame Game: Finger Pointing in Charting and Litigation
2025/11/16
REMEMBER: Use code LEAP100 until December 1st, 2025, to get 100$ off of the LEAP for Clinicians course! Eligible for 16 Category 1 CME/CNE Credits. Learn the essential mindset and skillset you need as a clinician in litigation, all in one place.
This month: finger pointing among health care professionals after an adverse event, or during litigation.
We've all seen it: the tertiary care center dumping on the community hospital in their notes. The specialist criticizes the primary care doctor or the ER's management. The doctor blames the nurse. The nurse charts defensively, ending with "MD Aware." The attending blames the resident. The resident blames the attending! All in a chart war, preserved for perpetuity.
Or even more sinister: a surgeon, after an adverse surgical event, tells the family the awful news -- and then tries to implicate someone else: the anesthesiologist, the CRNA, the radiologist who read the study...
You know we could go on. We've all seen it.
And then, once litigation starts -- now we're co-defendants. How does this 'blame game' play for a jury?
Is the chart the place for these disagreements? (Spoiler alert: NO.) Can finger pointing in charting actually backfire and get you pulled INTO a case? (Spoiler alert: YES.)
Our guest today is Heather Hansen, trial consultant and communications expert. For over 20 years, she defended providers and hospitals in medical malpractice cases. She created a curriculum for medical residents, teaching them communication and advocacy tools. She has helped leaders from Harvard Business School, Google, LinkedIn, LVMH, the American Medical Association, and Hospital Corporations of America advocate for change, resources, opportunities, and attention.
As a trial attorney, she taught thousands of witnesses how to be credible and charismatic in court. She combines her experience with her psychology degree, conflict-resolution training, and time as a TV anchor to develop her trademarked systems and help her clients achieve their goals. Heather has been featured on The Today Show, Dr Oz, CNN, Fox News Channel, MSNBC, CBS, and Fox Business. She’s the best-selling author of The Elegant Warrior: How to Win Life’s Trials Without Losing Yourself. She’s the host of The Elegant Warrior podcast, which is consistently in the top 100 business podcasts on Apple.
Learn more about host Dr. Gita Pensa.
Communication After Catastrophe
2025/10/13
Welcome to Season 3 of Doctors and Litigation: The L Word!
We start off with an update on the LEAP Course (Litigation Education and Performance) -- sign up from now through December 1, 2025, with coupon code LEAP100 and get $100 off. Now with up to 16 hours of Category 1 AMA CME Credits!
https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/leap-for-clinicians
Our first conversation in Season 3 is with Dr. Anthony Orsini of The Orsini Way.
Communication with patients or families after unexpected medical events is crucial, but most of us have no formal training in how to do it well. Compassionate and skilled conversations can pave the way for understanding and closure for families. However, when handled poorly or defensively, these conversations can create resentment, distrust, and anger, which can also make litigation more likely.
What do patients and families want from us in these moments? What do we do with our body language? What happens if we cry? Can we show compassion by touch, on the hand or the shoulder? Why is this so difficult? Have we lost our humanity in the name of professionalism?
Dr. Orsini has spent the last 25 years developing proven communication techniques that help doctors build rapport and quickly form trusting relationships with their patients. Come along as we discuss evidence based strategies to handling these conversations better.
Medical Board Complaints and Investigations
2024/05/07
Medical Boards (or state Departments of Licensure and Discipline) are charged with keeping the public safe from unskilled, impaired, or unscrupulous doctors (or other licensed clinicians, each of which has their own board). While this is an important and necessary role, it is also not uncommon for well-meaning or "innocent" doctors to become the subject of investigations due to complaints from patients, other doctors (including competitors), or from the Board itself. Malpractice litigation or adverse event reporting may also trigger Board investigations as well.
This process is usually opaque, and clinicians have a poor understanding of how their Board works, who is on it, how those people are appointed, who they answer to, what happens when complaints are investigated, the possible ramifications of board decisions, and how to best prepare themselves in the case of a complaint. A naive physician can unwittingly worsen their situation, and an attorney is usually recommended to help in navigating the process. Depending on the complaint, your malpractice policy may help defray the cost of this.
Important points to note: processes for Boards differ from state to state. Typically anyone can lodge a complaint against a physician with the Board, for nearly any reason, and every complaint needs to be addressed in some way. These complaints can be anonymous in some states, and can range from serious to trivial. There is generally no statute of limitations for these complaints. Consider this podcast an invitation to learn more details about your state's medical board and their processes.
Board investigations and evaluations have been linked to physician suicide, and Dr. Pensa cites a study from 2014 in which nearly 5% of physicians referred to the Tennessee medical board for fitness-for-duty evaluations either seriously attempted or completed suicide. She also mentions a John Oliver 'Last Week Tonight' episode about state medical boards that paints a bleak picture of state medical boards' ability to root out dangerous doctors. The job of the medical board is indeed a difficult one, and Dr. Pensa makes the case for more transparency, accountability, and feedback mechanisms given their power and the wide-reaching impact of their decisions. Changes would need to be made at a legislative level, as the Board is typically a governmental/political organization.
Dr. Gita Pensa gives an introduction to Medical Board investigations and complaints in this episode with Guillermo Beades, Esq. Mr. Beades teaches and publishes regularly in an effort to educate physicians and other clinicians about healthcare law.
You can find an article of his about this topic here in Medical Economics.
Guillermo J. Beades, Esq., is a Partner in Frier Levitt’s Healthcare Litigation Department and Co-Chairs the Firm’s Insurance Defense Group. He represents healthcare professionals in a broad range of administrative, civil and criminal healthcare matters. Mr. Beades has extensive litigation experience before state licensing authorities and Medical Boards (e.g., NJ BME, OPMC), federal healthcare agencies (e.g., OIG, CMS, DEA) and state healthcare agencies (e.g., NJ Medicaid Fraud Division, NY OMIG). He represents practices and healthcare professionals in matters concerning credentialing and denial of privileges, administrative discipline, Medicare audits, hospital fair hearings, post-payment demands and pre-payment audits.
Help Resistance
2024/04/04
This month, we're exploring the topic of 'help-resistance' in physicians. Why do we acknowledge the need to maintain and optimize the health of our bodies, but scoff at doing the same for our minds or mental well-being? Why do support programs flounder from lack of participation? Why is the notion of even 'self-help' so foreign and...icky?
In this 'listicast', Dr. Pensa explores the top ten(ish) reasons for help-resistance in physicians. This has practical implications as to why physicians often do not access support programs, and why they may resist external or even self-help instruction.
These concepts are each briefly explored, with particular focus on the physician experience (though, of course, other clinicians and high achieving professionals may have similar experiences.)
Ten Reasons Behind 'Help-Resistance' in the Physician
1) Internal core beliefs and identity of the physician (and traits including exceptionalism and perfectionism)
2) External collective beliefs and medical culture
3) Inability to recognize when help is indicated (or avoidance coping)
4) Lack of awareness of various modalities of 'help' (what does 'help' even mean?)
5) Family of origin (or culture of origin) taboos; expectations of the family high achiever
6) Absent help infrastructure (or a hush-hush help infrastructure)
7) Terminal uniqueness
8) Fear (of discovery, judgment, licensure/discipline threats)*
9) Friction
10) Change resistance and inflexible thinking (or dichotomous thinking)
*To learn more about Dr. Lorna Breen, the Dr. Lorna Breen Heroes Foundation, and their work addressing the origins of this fear, go to https://drlornabreen.org/
More about Dr. Pensa: https://doctorsandlitigation.com/about-gita-pensa
Disclaimer: Dr. Pensa is not a therapist or psychiatrist, and this discussion is not meant as treatment for any specific mental health disorder. This list is based on Dr. Pensa's personal and professional experience, and her coaching work with other physicians in the realm of litigation stress and burnout.
The EMR Audit Trail: Friend and Foe
2024/03/09
In this first episode of Season 2, Dr. Pensa talks with attorney Saira Pasha, an EMR audit trail expert. What else besides the words in your chart does your electronic medical record track? Are 'secure messages' discoverable? (Spoiler: yes, they can be!) How can an audit trail help your case -- or hurt it? How does an audit trail expert 'read between the lines' of who's looking at what entries in the record, and when, and for how long?
Take home points:
The EMR creates a trail that tracks not only your substantive words on the chart, but evidence of all the people who were in a given chart, at what time, looking at what, for how many seconds or minutes, what they did next in the chart, whether a template or smart phrase was deployed. It tracks and times views, edits, additions, deletions, changes, and any printing or searches. These are not part of the initial requested 'medical record,' but can be obtained through the request of an EMR audit trail.
The timing of changes to the record can imply that charting was slanted in a way to be defensive or misleading (or at least, a plaintiff’s attorney is going to try to do that, even if your intention was well-meaning.)
Attorneys may infer the importance of a part of the record by seeing how many people were in a chart at a given time, and what they were all looking at, for how long. This information can act like a big red arrow pointing at a specific medication order or radiology result, for example, even if there is no explicit mention of it in anyone's notes.
Secure messages, FYI's, Best Practice Advisories, and other prompts are all discoverable (with a little sleuthing) as part of an EMR audit within a few years of their appearance in the chart.
If you cosign notes using a template that suggests you did a substantive review of another clinician's care (such as an APP or midwife), be mindful of the fact that the EMR tracks how long you spent in that note, or reviewing that patient's chart or imaging.
Dr. Pensa references this 2021 case in which efforts to alter EMR records were exposed.
More about Dr. Pensa and how to contact her can be found at doctorsandlitigation.com.
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Semmd 2026/09/26
Most valuable podcast
One of the most valuable podcasts ive ever heard. Every physician should listen and learn, even if you’ve never been sued. I have had a long career wi...
LouisaFanconi 2026/05/25
Essential listening for attendings and trainees alike
I love this podcast and thank you Gita so much for doing it. you’re really brave to take on something that can easily feel devastating and overwhelmin...
fandaico 2026/04/24
AMAZING FIND
Finally someone with the bravery and experience to discuss such an important part in physicians’ lives. The malpractice law industry is a predatory,...
Kismetsglow 2025/09/10
Thank you!
This podcast is a MUST listen for everyone in healthcare especially doctors. Lawyers in this field should really listen too. This system is failing ev...
Studentqwerty 2025/06/15
Great content!
Content is well researched, easy to follow, and thematically grouped, making this a terrific resource. As others have mentioned, the loud background m...
Ida Teberian MD 2025/01/21
Effective, Important, and SO Interesting
Every episode is amazing and every single word so important, for all people, not only physicians - although it should be required in medical school fo...
HamsterK 2024/11/27
Great podcast, most recent episode really nailed it
I’ve been listening to this podcast since it started. Season 2 has been full of useful information. I just finished episode 10 of season 2. I don’t kn...
RIRMD 2024/10/23
Very Informative
I have learned so much useful information from Dr. Pensa and her guests. The topics are relevant and very well presented. It is so vital for docs to a...
jpathutch 2024/09/06
Illuminating, but too musical
Excellent content presented by the host & several subject matter experts. The Serial-like background music is loud & distracting. Only 1 thing I’d cha...
Bobbi-in-the-hole 2024/08/24
Must listen for every physician
Compassionate
Informative
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Recommended by the famous Dr Scott Weingart
Should be required reading for all medical students
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