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You're not bad at saying no, you’re just really good at saying yes to the wrong things. ;) Because every invite you say yes to, every collaboration or coffee chat or those favors from a business friend that you said yes to when you didn't really want to… those were all NOs to your own priorities. But we don’t think about it like that. We just feel guilty about letting others down (and truthfully, it feels so good to be wanted when an invite comes our way). This episode is about the connection between your commitments, calendar and results. Because if you don't protect your time, you'll always feel like you don't have enough of it.  So whether you feel stretched too thin from saying yes to everything, or you know the requests are only going to keep coming as you grow, this is the kick in the pants you need to start being more intentional about where you show up. Episode Nuggets The reason saying no gets harder as your business grows (and what to do about it)The identity trap that makes every request feel personal when it doesn't have to beThe shift that takes the guilt out of declining somethingMy exact system for never having to deliver a no myselfThe one person you haven't considered saying no to yetREAD THE FULL SHOW NOTES HERE Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

This is Part 2 of my Jessi Jean Yap Challenge breakdown and this week it’s about YOU. You're not trying to become social media famous, but you would like to be known for your work, and for your reputation to do the heavy lifting for your brand. This week we're digging into the three gears that create TRACTION when you’re an expert sharing your ideas. I also get into the time I lost all my confidence after maternity leave even though the skill never left me, why your second launch is more likely to flop than your first, and why I refuse to let clients batch their content if they want to get better at talking. If you're doing genuinely good work and still feel invisible (or that your work isn’t getting the spotlight it deserves) this episode is going to tell you exactly which piece you're skipping. Episode Nuggets The thing I see experts do constantly that puts more work on their audienceWhy I made myself hand-correct my own Facebook Live captions for months (and what it exposed about how I talk)The unpopular opinion I have about "being more of yourself" onlineWhy I won't let clients batch their content if they're serious about getting betterThe unpopular opinion I have about "being more of yourself" onlineREAD THE FULL SHOW NOTES HERE Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

Jessi Jean's $1.2 million Yap Challenge launch is a marketing case study for the record books, and in this episode I’m sharing my vantage point as a 24 year pro speaking veteran and communication expert (and it's probably not what you think). We’ll drill into the three intangible qualities that I believe led to her massive success (none of which have anything to do with positioning, offer design, or marketing tactics). Plus I share my own "curse of the expert" moment and what 24 years of speaking on stages didn't prepare me for in building my business. NOTE - this episode isn’t just about "the launch", but rather how YOU show up as an expert moving forward in this “attention economy”. What You'll Learn A breakdown of Jessi Jean’s Yap Challenge launch from a speaking/ communication  expert The three qualities I saw in Jessi that contributed to her community building success (none of which have anything to do with marketing tactics)The "curse of the expert," and why it makes it harder to teach the thing you're best atWhy discomfort watching someone else win is often a map back to your own valuesWhy the "she wasn't really new to this" criticism going around misses the pointWhat's coming in Part 2: the recipe for combining confidence and competence into real momentum READ THE FULL SHOW NOTES HERE Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

In this episode I'm joined by Laura Schoenfeld, strategic advisor and founder of The Nourished CEO, for a conversation about messaging, and it turned into an incredible discussion about so much more.  This episode gets into: – why messaging is the skill most experts try to shortcut and why that always backfires  – the "good student trap" and how it's quietly draining people's businesses  – Laura's take on where the industry is going and why the competitive edge is going to be your actual voice – how Laura uses AI to amplify her content without letting it originate the ideas (and what that process actually looks like)  – the "would you hire someone for this?" test for deciding what to delegate to AI  – why the people who keep practicing their communication out loud are going to win By the end of this episode, you'll have a very different lens on where to use AI in your business, and a clear sense of where your voice has to show up first. READ THE FULL SHOW NOTES HERE Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

The pressure of being a visible leader, the second-guessing before a launch, the vulnerability hangover after a big talk, the spiral when something doesn't land…  all of that lands on you. Nobody's coming to save you in your business. Not a mentor, not a mastermind, not the next program you buy.  So if you don't know how to manage what's happening between your ears, it will burn you out faster than a full calendar. This episode is about self-leadership. Specifically, the three internal roles that are competing for control of your thinking at any given moment and why most leaders are stuck in the wrong one almost all the time. This episode gets into:  – why leadership is lonelier than anyone warns you about, and what that actually costs you  – the Critic, the Coach, and the Cheerleader roles and how to use all three on purpose  – why your brain defaults to critic mode (and why that's not entirely your fault)  – what my two-year-old taught me about praising yourself  – how to shift out of a negative spiral without fake positivity or toxic optimism  – why self-leadership is the foundation of every room you walk into – why stepping up as an external leader is actually one of the best ways to improve your self-leadership – what your business can and cannot grow beyond without this internal work in place READ THE FULL SHOW NOTES HERE Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

Many visible leaders are focused on the wrong thing when they think about growth. They're asking about which platforms to show up on, tweaking their messaging or chasing AI tools. All external. All tactical. And meanwhile the thing that's quietly running every room they walk into, every video they record, every pitch they make, goes completely unaddressed. That thing is executive presence. And in this episode, I'm breaking down what it actually means, why it matters whether you're a solopreneur, a founder, or a leader inside a company, and where to point your growth if you want people to genuinely listen to, follow, and want to work with you. This episode gets into:  – what executive presence actually is (beyond the corporate buzzword)  – the ABCs framework: Appearance, Boldness, and Communication, and why each one matters more than you think  – the real reason you show up differently under pressure, and what to do about it  – where most leaders are unconsciously holding back and how to stop – how to figure out exactly which communication skill to focus on first By the end of this episode, you'll have a clear lens for evaluating where you are right now and a specific place to point your growth. READ THE FULL SHOW NOTES HERE Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

You can be doing all the right things in your business and still feel like you're running out of air. Not because your strategy is off or the market is broken. But because somewhere along the way, the thing you built stopped feeling good to be inside of. The work became a task. The content became a checklist. And you've been white-knuckling through it, wondering why nothing seems to land the way it used to. Joy isn't a luxury you earn after the work is done, it's the engine. And in this episode I'm sitting with the question a lot of high achievers are quietly avoiding: where did the joy go, and what does it cost you when it's missing? This episode gets into:  – why your mood is shaping your business whether you acknowledge it or not  – what the Alex Hormozi and Tony Robbins conversation revealed about identity, fulfillment, and the ceiling we hit when work is our only source of both  – the bubble metaphor that might make you uncomfortable in the best way  – a simple calendar test to run this week to start creating more oxygen in your life and business By the end of this, you'll have a real gut check on where you're at on your own joy-o-meter, and one concrete thing you can do about it this week. EPISODE LINKS & RESOURCES: The Tony Robbins x Alex Hormozi interview (still on Spotify at time of recording) Last week's Hint of Hustle episode #250 on staying out of The Bitter B Trap (go back and listen if you missed it!) Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

You're not failing. But I'd bet good money you walk around feeling like you are. I’m not talking about the obvious kind of failure… a flopped launch or a missed goal… today we’re talking about the quieter kind of failure: A low-grade hum of "I should be further along by now." The spiral that starts the second something doesn't go the way you planned. The way you measure your right-now self against the highlight reel of your past self AND the fantasy version of your future self, simultaneously, which means no matter what you do, present-tense you is always losing. This episode digs into: –  why driven, high-achieving leaders are the most susceptible to this pattern –  how the questions you ask yourself after something goes wrong are either pulling you up or drowning you – the one question I've used for fifteen years to get out of any hard season, in business, in health, in parenting. — a hard look at whether or not your messaging is attracting the very person you don’t want to work with By the end of this, you'll know exactly what's keeping you stuck in the feeling of failure, and have a simple shift to start moving out of it today. EPISODE LINKS & RESOURCES: 📚 Failing Forward by John Maxwell, available wherever books are sold 🎧 Hint of Hustle episode 152: Make this Shift With Your Language to Operate Like 7 Figure CEO (aka ask better questions)  Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

Last week, we had a spicy convo about getting back to basics and doing the *real* work that moves the needle. And if you listened, you probably felt a little called out 😅. This week, we’re going a layer deeper because how you show up while doing that work matters. You can post more, sell more, all the things more… but if people don’t trust you, it’s not going to work.. And TRUST seems to be a hot topic right now with many claiming we’re in a “trust recession” which I call BS.  Here's what we get into: Why selling feels “icky” when trust is off How to share your work without making it all about youThe Trust Equation (yes, there IS a formula, from a BOOK!)Where AI is quietly breaking trust with your audience and what to do insteadThe shift that makes your content land betterPlus a quick challenge to notice what you’re consuming this weekReady for another week feeling fired up? Let’s go. P.S. I’ve got a new program coming out called The Refinery and I’m stoked to share more about it soon. If you want to get on the waitlist or explore working together, >>click here to start the conversation. And if you’re not on my newsletter yet, DM me “Newsletter” on Instagram—I send one every Friday and it’s where my best stuff lives. EPISODE  SHOW NOTES👇 https://heathersager.com/episode249 Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

We’re BAAAACK!  Whew, after an on again off again podcast return post maternity leave, I’m THRILLED to be  back in your ear holes every TUESDAY.  In this episode, I'm breaking down why I brought back the name Hint of Hustle and we’re digging into stagnation in business and how to consciously choose your outcomes. We're also digging into what happens when you sacrifice long-term strategy with your marketing (spoiler: your sales suffer), and how Newton’s First Law of Motion might be one of the most useful business principles we don’t talk about enough. Here’s what’s waiting for you:  Why I changed the name of the show…and then changed it back 🫣A different way to think about the role hustle plays in businessThe reframe that turned my biggest frustration into possibilityWhat short-term vs. long-term strategy is costing you (and when it catches up)Newton's First Law and why momentum in business works the same wayWhat's coming next (and why I’m stoked for both of us)You shouldn’t hustle 24/7, but you do need to move your tush more. Because what’s in motion stays in motion… but to get things moving, YOU must take action. So if you’ve been feeling stuck, this episode will fire you up to make a change.  P.S. If this episode hits a nerve (in a good way) and you know it’s time to stop coasting and make a big move, this is the work I do with my clients. Whether you’re building momentum, preparing for something big, and ready to do the work…let’s talk → start the conversation here. EPISODE  SHOW NOTES👇 https://heathersager.com/episode248 Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

Okay friends, we are inching dangerously close to the New Year. And if you are anything like me, you’re probably sitting there with your fresh 2026 planner, feeling that creeping pressure to "reinvent" yourself. You might be thinking, “I need a totally new angle,” or “I need to burn it all down and start fresh to get noticed this year.” Before you do anything drastic, listen to this episode. Originally recorded in August of this year, I hit pause on the podcast before releasing… and I’m so glad I did because this is the right time for you to hear this one. I’m chatting with business strategist Megan Yelaney, and this is one of those real, grounding conversations that helps you slow down, zoom out, and rethink how you show up in your business. In this episode, we talk about: The "uniqueness" trap – why trying so hard to be different can actually hurt your sales, and why specificity is what really worksThe messaging pendulum swing that traps entrepreneurs between copying others and being so obscure no one gets itWhy social media feels so dang hard (hint: it has nothing to do with the algorithm)A spicy take on AI –  where to actually use it in your business and where to definitely leave it outHow to niche down without boxing yourself in or burning it all to the ground Leading with empathy – why it’s the most powerful (and overlooked) marketing tool you have right nowIf you take one thing into the New Year, let it be this: it’s okay to be redundant. The most successful business owners aren't inventing a new message every Monday. They’re saying the same damn thing, over and over again, until it sticks. So grab your coffee, and let’s get into it! EPISODE  SHOW NOTES👇 https://heathersager.com/episode247 Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

You probably are a good speaker. You share helpful info. You care about serving. You’ve got stories, maybe even a little humor. But what does good actually mean? That people liked it? That you hit all your points? That someone clapped? The truth is — you’ve never been taught what “good” really is. Beyond vague feedback or a gut feeling… how are you supposed to know? That ends today. In this episode, I’m pulling a private training out of the vault — a breakdown of the 5 Levels of Speaking I teach my clients to help them see what effective really looks like. I’m sharing: Why most entrepreneurs get stuck recycling the same dry info (and wonder why no one’s buying)The tiny but powerful shifts to stop being the ‘boring expert’ and start becoming the voice people quote back to othersHow to spot when you’re relying too much on info or entertainment, but missing real influenceThe sneaky mindset trap that keeps your message safe, small, and forgettable — and how to get over yourself (in the best way)Remember that “good” is subjective. But resonant? Repeatable? Rebookable That’s measurable — and learnable, so hit play and let’s start redefining what good means for your business. EPISODE  SHOW NOTES👇 https://heathersager.com/episode246 PS..If this episode lit a fire under you, then this is your sign to take the next step. The work we talk about here is exactly what we do inside my Signature Talk Accelerator. If you’re ready to build a message that truly connects and converts, this is for you. 👉Click here to learn more about the Signature Talk Accelerator! Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

You already know AI is everywhere right now — but here’s what no one’s really saying: When business owners start outsourcing their thinking to AI, their actual ideas suffer. In this episode, I’m calling out the creative atrophy that happens when you stop flexing your own brainpower. Think about it: we’ve already outsourced our memory to Google Maps and our friends’ birthdays to Facebook. But your IDEAS? That’s your last line of defense as a thought leader. I share: Why defaulting to AI before you think is a dangerous gameThe difference between using AI to support vs. sabotage your creativityWhat Socrates warned us about (that’s actually still true)The real reason your content might feel a little… offIf you’re in the business of ideas — speaking, teaching, coaching, or leading — you can’t afford to lose your creative edge. This episode will help you reclaim it. 🎧 Listen now and let your brain do what it was built to do: THINK. EPISODE  SHOW NOTES👇 https://heathersager.com/episode245 P.S. If you're tired of AI making everyone sound the same and want to develop your own unique voice and message — that’s exactly what I help people do. Check out my Spotlight Session if you want to work on your speaking topics.  Fair warning: I’m not the cheapest, but I’m damn good at what I do. 😉 Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

“Heather, how in the world do I book more stages?!" It’s the #1 most asked question I get from you all.  You see the advice everywhere—research, send a million cold pitches, fill out every speaker application you can find. But what if that whole approach just feels…exhausting and not quite right for you?  So what if you didn’t have to cold pitch… and could still land stages? Well, that was the question I set to answer for myself years ago when I realized that pitching was not my jam. And today I’m pulling back the curtain on exactly how I do it.  You’ll hear: Why cold pitching doesn't align with how I’m wired (and might not work for you either)The difference between transactional and transformational relationships The two types of speaking business models (hint: knowing yours matters)My “Warm ‘Em Up” strategy — how I turn cold contacts into warm relationships and hot opportunities (think: dating for your biz)How to nurture these connections and build a sustainable ecosystem of referrals and invitesThis episode is a real, no-BS look at how I’ve built my speaking career by focusing on real connections. My hope? It gives you permission to stop following “shoulds” and start building a speaking strategy that's 100% YOU. EPISODE  SHOW NOTES👇 https://heathersager.com/episode244 Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!

Ever feel like you’re dropping pure fire—sharing your best, most advanced stuff—and all you get back is…polite nods? Your audience tells you that you’re brilliant, they loved your talk and that your stuff is amazing…but then they don’t actually do anything with it. So what’s the deal? In this week episode of The Ramble Refinery, I’m breaking down the #1 reason your ideas aren’t sticking—and the simple shift to fix to help your audience actually take action. It's the difference between being interesting and being irresistible. We’re talking about how to stop sounding like you’re on “chapter 6” of your story (when your audience hasn’t even read chapters 1–5 yet), and how to add the one thing most speakers and content creators skip: context. I’ll walk you through a super simple framework I use with clients called WIM—short for Why It Matters—and how to use it to make your message more relevant, clear, and sticky. You’ll hear: Why starting with your most advanced advice is actually pushing people away.What your audience really means when they say they love your stuff but still don’t take action (aka still don't buy).How to take your topic (using a funny, made-up example about cold plunging!) and make it directly relevant to your audience's current problems, world, and desires.The WIM Framework: My simple 3-part formula (Why This? Why You? Why Now?) to make your message impossible to ignore.This one’s short, super practical, and honestly—it could change the way you show up in your next talk, podcast, or post. Tune in to this episode and let’s turn those polite nods into a resounding “Hell yeah, how do I work with you?!” EPISODE  SHOW NOTES👇 https://heathersager.com/episode243 Send me a note 📣 WORK WITH HEATHER  → https://heathersager.com/ 📧  Get the Hint of Heather NEWSLETTER → https://heathersager.com/newsletter Connect on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theheathersager/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermsager/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/HeatherSager SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit home, I'd be so grateful if you took a second to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more people find the show.  Thanks for tuning in to the Hint of Hustle podcast! See you next week!