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Older and Wilder Live in Peru: Sacred Valley Reflections, Machu Picchu Magic, and Leo’s Tour-Guide Legends Joy and Claire record a live “Older and Wilder” episode reflecting on how group travel with EF Go Ahead Tours removes the stress of planning and creates immersive cultural experiences. Travelers share motivations (community, FOMO, bucket-list Machu Picchu) and favorite moments: Machu Picchu, Incan archaeological sites, a community lunch and ceremony, women’s weaving cooperative, cooking class, churros in Lima, cathedral art, bus rides on narrow roads, and an ’80s dance party/karaoke on the train. Guide Leo explains his path to tour directing, love of sharing Peru, and encourages visitors to explore beyond Machu Picchu, including food, Arequipa, Nasca lines, and the Amazon. 00:00 Live From Peru 01:04 Sacred Valley Vibes 02:25 Unplugging From News 04:34 Why Peru Happened 05:30 No Planning Needed 06:54 Trip Community Magic 09:13 Passing The Mic 10:42 Traveler Stories Begin 12:52 Train Karaoke Memories 19:12 Big Picture Takeaways 22:02 Churros And Bus Skills 25:18 Cooking Class Chaos 26:40 Machu Picchu Highlights 27:27 Weaving Cooperative Magic 28:36 FOMO And Friendship 30:06 Why Group Trips Matter 31:30 Cusco Culture Layers 32:42 Unrepeatable Travel Moments 34:57 Dogs Dances And Daily Life 37:05 Cat Shoutouts And Cathedrals 38:44 Pride And Shared Culture 42:44 Thanking Leo The Guide 46:12 Leo Origin Story 51:58 Leo Moments And Next Trips 55:48 Japan Plans And Farewell

Easter Morning, River-Trip Hypothermia, and Peru Prep! Joy and Claire trade stories about kids and childhood Easter traditions like egg hunts, church, and family meals. Claire recounts a spring-break rafting trip on Utah’s Upper San Juan River including visiting cliff-dwelling sites, a layover day, and a sudden thunderstorm. They discuss upcoming travel to Peru, interest in a future Japan trip, Joy’s promotion, and tips for altitude prep. 02:35 Kids Lovies and Stuffy Names 03:24 Childhood Easter Traditions 04:26 Easter Outfits and Memories 06:42 Holiday Meals and Spring Vibes 07:50 Weird Headlines and Politics 09:01 Rockies Day and Dairy Queen Secret 10:23 Party Adults and Breaking Rules 13:46 Upper San Juan River Trip Setup 15:29 Storm Rapid and Hypothermia Scare 21:28 Off the Grid and Camp Food 22:23 Camp Meals Done Right 23:06 Savory Smores Hack 23:57 Kids Camp Freedom 25:11 Walkie Talkie Pro Tip 25:55 Buying A Raft Rig 29:43 Rigging Ammo Can Chaos 31:43 Leaky Boat And Kayak Story 33:07 Peru Trip Schedule 33:55 JT Ashes And Goodbyes 35:07 Summer Travel Sprint 37:58 Raft Guide Reunion 39:46 Altitude Sickness Prep 41:23 Wrap Up And Where To Find Us

House-Sitting in Arizona, Tracking Teens, and Planning a Japan Trip Joy and Claire chat about pet and house-sitting. Joy describes a nostalgic “time warp” weekend with her friend’s nearly-18-year-old daughter, running into a high school friend’s younger sister, and hanging at the mall. They discuss modern teen tracking tools (Life360, car cameras) and balancing safety with independence, plus kids’ self-navigation skills. In Q&A, they cover folding fitted sheets, cleaning quirks, favorite clothing items, sweet vs savory brunch, and announce a Japan group trip for May 2027. Joy also shares updated thyroid/antibody management, sleep needs, views on workout programs, and recurring podcast lore like “he vapes now.” 01:45 Moab Sitter Plug 04:30 Girls Weekend Time Warp 08:05 Mall Nostalgia 09:32 Tracking Kids Debate 13:16 Freedom Versus Safety 17:11 Bus Schedules Growing Up 17:57 Q and A Kickoff 18:08 Fitted Sheet Fails 20:11 Cleaning Quirks Confessions 22:01 Favorite Clothing Picks 26:03 Outfit Repeats Debate 27:00 Beauty Myths That Stick 27:50 Brunch Sweet Or Savory 28:34 Japan Trip Details 30:55 Thyroid Antibodies Update 35:58 Sleep In Your Forties 38:12 Weightlifting Programs Review 40:20 He Vapes Now Lore 43:18 Love Languages Ranked 46:03 Rapid Fire Favorites 46:50 Name Change Thoughts 48:31 Wrap Up And Japan Feedback

Saying Goodbye to JT and Finding Support in Grief Joy and Claire discuss travel concerns about altitude sickness for an upcoming Peru trip and past experiences with motion sickness and sleep. The conversation shifts to Joy’s dog JT, who was 14, and the difficult decision to schedule in-home euthanasia after noticing declining mobility. Joy describes the hospice vet process, the peaceful passing, how their other dogs reacted, and choosing private cremation with plans to honor him in Westcliff. They discuss the intensity of pet grief, support from friends, work boundaries, pet loss groups, and the community’s messages and donations to Canine Companions in JT’s name. Pet Loss Grief Explained 03:57 Peru Altitude Worries 06:50 Seasickness and Dramamine 08:26 Sleep Then and Now 11:23 Dog Blanket Antics 12:37 Saying Goodbye to JT 13:33 Senior Dog Decline Signs 18:00 Calling Hospice Vet 21:54 Making the Hard Choice 24:58 Facing the Decline 26:00 No Judgment Decisions 28:47 Quality of Life Tools 32:53 Saying Goodbye at Home 35:25 Support and Work Boundaries 39:25 Why Pet Grief Hits Hard 40:55 Memorial Plans and Support Groups 43:41 Laughing Through the Pain 46:58 Community Thanks and Closing

Two Dusty Travelers: COVID Front Lines, L&D Mistrust, and Choosing a Childfree Life Joy and Claire hosts Emily Scott (Two Dusty Travelers), an RN known for caring for the first diagnosed hospitalized COVID patient in the U.S., to discuss how her platform evolved beyond “the COVID lady” and how politics and misinformation have fueled distrust in healthcare. Emily, now a labor and delivery nurse with a background in peace studies and global health work in East Africa, describes rising patient suspicion since 2020, including refusal of newborn hepatitis B vaccination, vitamin K, and other standard care, and notes anti-vax sentiment even among some nurses. They discuss the difficulty of changing minds at scale versus through long one-on-one conversations, the pressures and taboos around being childfree by choice and parental regret, and gaps in pain management for IUD insertion. Emily shares hope as sustained effort plus balance, and highlights Tanzania as a favorite destination, inviting interest in her group trips and naming Namibia as a future goal. 02:37 Politics and Online Unfollows 03:54 From Global Health to L&D 05:10 Mistrust in Healthcare Now 06:43 Newborn Shots and Misinformation 08:07 Wild Hospital Stories 12:06 Anti Vax Nurses and Vaccine Clinics 13:55 Bridging the Gap with Skeptics 16:41 Childfree by Choice Conversation 25:09 Pressure, Regret, and Nuance 28:51 Sliding Doors and What Ifs 33:19 Childfree Without Shame 33:44 TikTok Narratives and Stigma 34:46 Pop Culture and TV Time 35:43 Why Romance Feels Safe 37:49 Spicy Talk and Sex Ed Gaps 38:50 IUD Pain Control Reality 44:17 Labor Stories and Trusting Bodies 45:23 Home Birth vs Hospital Birth 49:21 Hope and Fighting Burnout 54:27 East Africa Travel Plans 57:05 Wrap Up and Where to Find Us

Moab Heat, Busy Spring Travel, Mindfulness, and Protein-Obsessed Expo West Joy and Claire catch up on Moab’s early heat, a recent snowstorm, and packed spring schedules including Arizona, Peru, river trips, and work travel. Claire recaps attending Expo West in Anaheim, meeting David Fitzpatrick at Disneyland for ice cream, and a stressful return trip involving a sprinting airport connection and a tiny flight back to Moab. They pivot to a Q&A on favorite times of day and desserts, then discuss goals for the year. They reflect on concussion/whiplash recovery, long-term “physical 401k” health, shifting body-image perspectives, and concerns about normalizing extreme thinness. They preview upcoming episodes on financial planning, estate planning, and being childless by choice, and close with Expo West trends like protein/creatine in everything, cottage-cheese ice cream, fiber products, and skepticism about AG1 in favor of comprehensive multivitamins. 00:00 Moab Heat Check 01:14 Snow Days and Busy March 02:47 Expo West and Disneyland Ice Cream 03:55 Small Airports and Sprinting Connections 06:32 Sweaty Travel and Heat Rants 08:48 Q and A Kickoff Favorites 09:47 Dogs Dinner Witching Hour 12:38 Goals Workouts and Mountain Biking 15:28 Mindfulness and Travel Anxiety 18:42 What Mindfulness Really Is 21:08 Why Worry Persists 22:14 Mindfulness Practice Tools 23:17 Concussion Recovery Lessons 25:13 Physical Health Bank 26:30 Training Frustrations Mindset 29:58 Body Image Aging Shift 31:21 Ozempic Culture Concerns 33:08 Celebrity Health Discourse 38:31 Upcoming Money Episodes 40:45 Expo West Supplement Hype 42:38 AG1 vs Real Multivitamins 47:02 Eat Real Food Wrap 47:44 Final Sign Off

March Check-In: Lifties, Social Media Burnout, Dog Hair Hacks, Moab’s Ageless Party Scene & Love Is Blind Ohio Joy and Claire celebrate reaching March! They discuss stepping back from social media—especially TikTok—due to overwhelming news cycles, algorithm/terms concerns, and the unnatural pressure to broadcast constant reactions, preferring fact-based sources and recommending Pantsuit Politics’ State of the Union recap. The conversation shifts to practical home life: kids’ laundry-folding boards, constant vacuuming with multiple dogs, Roombas, grooming and shedding tips, and dental care products. Claire describes Moab’s intergenerational, highly active culture after a themed birthday dance party, then Joy gives a spoiler-filled recap of the new Love Is Blind Ohio season, focusing on a disliked contestant and doubts most couples will last. 00:00 Hello March 00:16 Liftie Horror Stories 01:19 Why Skiers Complain 03:19 Bad Snow Season Update 04:07 Quitting TikTok for Now 06:49 Social Media Reaction Spiral 09:56 Mixed Messaging and Gaslighting 11:24 Watching the State of the Union 14:43 Laundry Folding Boards 16:23 Dog Hair and Vacuum Life 17:04 Feeling Bad for the Roomba 19:48 De-Shedding Dog Wash Tips 21:44 Dog Bathing Tips 22:40 Managing Fur Everywhere 24:01 Laundry Hair Hacks 25:50 Dental Care Routine 26:25 Moab Age Vibes 32:58 Dance Party DJ Fails 33:46 Love Is Blind Recap 40:51 Why We Watch Trainwreck TV 43:16 Wrap Up And Where To Find Us

Burro Brave, Hormone Swings, and Everything Is Bears Joy and Claire open by noting they sometimes need lighter conversations amid ongoing political distress. Joy shares an update on trying Colorado’s official heritage sport, pack burro racing, during a training run with rescue donkeys from REdonculous Ranch Rescue Sanctuary. Joy also updates on puppy-raising Lilas and will be turned in for training in mid-May. Claire discusses upcoming Peru travel, extending her trip to surf, and signing her mom up for a women 55+ Surf With Amigas retreat. They also discuss testosterone therapy effects, perimenopause mood swings, cycle tracking, partner communication, and humor around stress. 04:17 Donkey Bite Story 07:14 First Training Run 11:26 How Donkeys Run 15:10 Why It Felt Peaceful 19:04 Be Burro Brave 20:40 Puppy Update 25:46 Travel Plans Ahead 27:27 Mom Surf Trip 27:58 Surf Trip For 55 Plus 29:55 Planning Peru And Japan 30:44 Testosterone Shot Updates 32:45 Libido And Hormone Talk 35:07 Perimenopause Mood Swings 38:04 Tracking Cycles And Stigma 42:48 What A Time To Be Alive 47:29 Everything Is Bears Tool 49:40 Unhinged Comments 53:34 Wrap Up And Where To Find Us

Podcasts They Hate, Olympics Distractions, and Donkey Races Joy and Claire record an early-morning episode with chat friends. The conversation shifts to popular podcasts they dislike or don’t understand the hype around.They discuss watching the Olympics as a welcome distraction. Joy shares two personal updates: discovering a local nonprofit tied to pack burro racing REdonculous Ranch Sanctuary and Rescue (connected to Colorado mining history)—and planning to shadow a four-mile training run with a rescue donkey near her home. 04:34 True Crime Fatigue: Crime Junkie, Serial Aftershocks & Ethics 06:51 Podcast Crush: Amy Poehler’s ‘Good Hang’ + The Lip Balm Break 09:05 The ‘Open Marriage’ Spoof Story That Freaked Brandon Out 11:04 Politics & Sanity Checks: Pod Save America + Chart Oddities 12:28 Rants & Red Flags: Megyn Kelly, Mel Robbins, SmartLess & Celebrity Overload 21:33 From Podcasts to Olympics: Curling Confusion, Luge Laughs & Crash Anxiety 24:33 Olympics obsession: biathlon memes & why it’s so fun to watch 25:22 Figure skating highlight: the wild core-strength partner move explained 28:15 Ski jumping scandal: the ‘extra fabric’ suit-cheating story 30:24 Olympics side chatter: celeb sightings, Devil Wears Prada 2 31:12 New adventure unlocked: running with rescue donkeys (pack burro racing) 36:54 Perimenopause surprises: itchy ear canals, TikTok hacks & symptom rant 40:03 Testosterone update: sleep improvements, sweating side effects & stress reality check 41:50 Hair & scalp care deep dive: Act + Acre, hard water, iron/ferritin and hair loss

Cozy Convos and Winter Gear Essentials In this episode of 'Older and Wilder with Joy and Claire,' the hosts catch up bright and early to celebrate Evie's seventh birthday, discussing themed party decorations, birthday plans, and a DIY at-home salon experience. They also talk about the challenges of walking dogs in cold weather, sharing their favorite heated winter gear including gloves, mugs, and vests. The conversation turns to the Olympics, emotionally touching on the pressures young athletes face and the recent heartbreaking news about Savannah Guthrie's mom. The episode closes with Valentine's Day plans and the importance of staying cozy and connected during the winter months. 02:48 Gymnastics and Emotional Resilience 04:01 Olympic Moments and Parenting 12:21 Cold Weather Essentials 25:35 Scott's Stylish Influence 25:41 Slipper Talk: The Good and the Bad 27:17 Indoor Footwear Preferences 29:01 Heated Vests and Staying Warm 30:28 Valentine's Day Plans 31:13 Puppy Love: Meet Laurel 33:31 Parenting and School Differences 34:54 Scott's Fashion Adventures 45:43 The Savannah Guthrie Kidnapping 48:12 Olympic Athletes and Sacrifice 49:21 Closing Thoughts and Farewell

In this episode of 'Older and Wilder with Joy and Claire,' the duo recounts their tumultuous yet amusing start to the day involving Joy's smoke detector mishap and a series of supposed ghostly disturbances. They shift to reflections on the recent passing of Catherine O'Hara, discussing the impact of celebrity deaths on fans. The hosts also tackle heavier topics such as the duty of public figures and therapists to address political issues, and the mental toll of current world events. The episode wraps up with light-hearted chatter on protein-packed foods and ends with actionable advice on managing hormone levels for mental health. SLEEP ASMRTIST INNA

Navigating Anger and Staying Resilient During Turbulent Times In this episode of 'Older and Wilder,' Joy and Claire discuss the intense and fast-paced changes occurring in their lives and the world. Recorded on January 25th, they delve into the ongoing political upheaval, emphasizing the challenges of maintaining daily routines amidst chaos. They reflect on the strain of constant anger, the importance of focusing on productive actions, and the psychological reasons behind our fixation on negative news. Finally, Joy considers a return to Crossfit. ADAM GRANT / DARYL DAVIS INTERVIEW LORETTA ROSS CALLING IN CONVERSATIONS

Embracing Community Activism and Surviving January's Long Haul In this episode of 'Older and Wilder with Joy and Claire,' the hosts discuss the unending stretch of January and how activity-packed months like November and December make the lack of events in January particularly noticeable. Claire talks about Moab's upcoming celebrations and community dynamics, including her daughter's first dance recital and observing distinct 'mom outfits' in Utah. Joy shares her uplifting experience attending a local 'No ICE' protest, emphasizing the importance of community support and peaceful activism. They also touch on the challenges of navigating societal expectations and roles, touching on topics from supporting each other's mental health to participating in activism for social justice. They end the show by appreciating their supportive community and encouraging others to take small but meaningful steps towards involvement in societal issues. 02:08 Weather Talk and Sleep Stories 05:17 Moab Life and Dance Recitals 06:26 Dance Moms and Utah Culture 13:31 Gender Roles and Parenting Challenges 21:15 Sports Talk and Family Anecdotes 23:47 Possum and Feral Cat Stories 26:33 Raccoons and Other Wildlife Encounters 28:53 Protesting for Change 37:43 Community and Connection 48:03 Final Thoughts and Farewell

Navigating Time Perception, Synesthesia, and Political Discourse In this episode of 'Older and Wilder with Joy and Claire,' hosts Joy and Claire explore various themes ranging from the unusual passage of time in January to personal experiences with synesthesia. Joy describes her unique way of visualizing time, which leads to a discussion on how different people use and view calendars. The episode also delves into the emotional and psychological effects of the current political climate, as Joy and Claire discuss the overwhelming sense of rage and misinformation. They emphasize the importance of personal responsibility, mental health, and community engagement as ways to navigate these challenging times, while touching upon mindfulness practices and the impact of cognitive behavioral therapy. 02:02 Understanding Synesthesia 07:17 Travel Memories and Group Tours 12:12 Relationship Dynamics and Personal Growth 16:54 Perimenopause and Shifting Priorities 19:32 Starting Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Therapy 20:01 Struggles with Mindfulness and Meditation 20:36 First Impressions of the Class 21:59 Personal Growth and Realizations 22:33 Mindfulness and Mental Health 25:44 Navigating the State of the World 29:08 The Role of Rage in Society 40:45 Media Bias and Misinformation 44:51 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

In this episode of 'Older and Wilder with Joy and Claire,' the hosts kick off the new year by discussing their New Year's Eve celebrations. They share personal anecdotes, including Joy's dinner at a new seafood restaurant and funny neighborhood stories like a false bomb scare. They discuss their goals for the year, the stress of staying informed via social media, and their thoughts on celebrity influence and societal changes. The episode wraps up with Claire's updates on her health and new primary care experiences, as well as a reflection on the strange world of influencer diets and detox myths. CBT-I FOR SLEEP 02:40 Social Media and Safety Concerns 04:50 Hilarious Neighborhood Incident 15:20 Neighborhood Watch and Safety 24:15 Crafting and Crocheting Enthusiasm 25:45 Knitting Needles and Crafting Tools 28:11 Funny Moments and Lava Lamps 29:02 Book Discussions and Reviews 33:19 Running Races and Personal Goals 35:22 Mindfulness and Sleep Practices 45:19 Current Events and Celebrity Influence 48:53 Dieticians and Influencers 49:34 Supplement Skepticism and Final Thoughts