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A Whirlwind Portugal Work Trip, Jet Lag Adventures, and Life Updates from Moab Joy and Claire catch up on recent life events. Joy shares a whirlwind work trip to Porto, Portugal and intense jet lag despite trying the Time Shifter app. She recounts sightseeing, great Portuguese food (including egg custard pastries), a port tasting, and a late-night misadventure walking three miles back to the hotel. Claire updates on family visits in Moab, Utah travel tips about weak mixed drinks, Miles turning 11 with major growth, Halloween costumes, their Mexico Thanksgiving road trip plans, landlord updates on their Longmont tenants and heavy Moab rain canceling the Moab 240 race. 00:00 Welcome Back Check In 01:35 Portugal Trip Reveal 03:21 Acquisition Culture Shock 04:35 Jet Lag Survival Tools 07:03 Porto Sightseeing Day 07:35 Nausea Dinner Disaster 09:26 Three Mile Walk Home 11:09 Late Dinners Work Grind 13:44 Food Markets And Port 16:56 Sardines 101 Tips 19:13 Harry Potter Bookstore 21:52 Homecoming Dog Stories 26:43 Utah Visitors And Travel Tips 28:00 Utah Pour Spouts 28:56 Moab Travel Tips 29:08 Soccer Weekend Recap 29:33 Miles Growth Spurt 30:56 Birthday Plans Rec Center 31:40 Halloween Costume Builds 35:23 One Year in Moab 37:19 Road Trips and Baja Plans 39:47 Renting Out Longmont House 42:11 Moab Schools and Safety 45:56 Moab 240 Flooded Race 47:48 Bake Off Delay and Signoff

Opting Out of Nutrition Insanity with EC Synkowski https://optimizemenutrition.com/podcast/agoodnutritionbook/ Joy and Claire welcome back nutrition coach EC Synkowski (Optimize Me Nutrition), creator of the 800 Gram Challenge and author of A Good Nutrition Book, to discuss escaping fear-based, overly optimized diet culture shaped by CrossFit, paleo, and macro tracking. EC shares her past disordered eating and argues most people—“the worried well”—need fewer rules and less obsession, focusing instead on practical, sustainable basics and validated health markers like cardiovascular risk. She explains her approach and three pillars method: start with 800 grams of fruits and vegetables daily without restriction, then add adequate protein (about 0.7 g per pound, often 100–120 g), and finally address calories with minimal deficits starting from current intake for long-term adherence and enjoyment. They also discuss genetics, avoiding transformation-photo marketing, and simplifying meals with repeatable foods like beans and potatoes. 00:00 Welcome Back And Guest Intro 02:38 EC Origin Story And Diet Rabbit Holes 06:51 Optimization Culture And The Worried Well 08:36 Simple Rules Of The Road 15:25 Three Pillars And 800 Gram Challenge 17:08 Protein Hype And Practical Targets 19:14 Calories For Sustainability 20:39 Breaking Food Rules And Trusting Your Body 24:25 Stop Overoptimizing Diet 25:06 Why Simple Advice Fails 25:29 Rules vs Intuitive Eating 26:54 Letting Go of Tracking 29:20 Protocol Culture and Control 31:24 Influencers Genetics Reality 34:48 800 Gram Daily Basics 36:14 Repeat Meals Decision Fatigue 39:08 Beans and Potato Satiety 42:32 Wrap Up and Where to Find

Lindsay Lohan’s Comeback, Florida Pool Days, and Pop Culture Rabbit Holes Joy and Claire chat about October 3rd pop-culture nods and Lindsay Lohan’s comeback. They discuss Ted Lasso’s new storyline, unseasonably warm fall weather, and work updates. Claire recaps a Florida trip to Bradenton/Anna Maria Island with lots of kid pool time, a touristy date-night dinner, an aquarium visit with manatees, and seafood. They also cover running gear and headphones, Act+Acre hair products, early Botox trends, Madonna’s butt implants, Kim and Khloé Kardashian impressions, Taylor Swift’s new “Showgirl/Encore” songs and videos, decluttering keepsakes, and Claire planning her 20th high school reunion. MAGNESIUM 00:00 October 3rd Pop Culture 00:41 Lindsay Lohan Comeback 03:39 Ted Lasso Catch Up 04:49 Autumn Mindfulness 05:29 Magnesium Work Talk 07:38 Florida Pool Vacation 11:32 Seafood Travel Cravings 13:18 Japan Trip Planning 14:18 Headphones Running Update 15:13 Haircare Act and Acre 17:19 Hair Serum vs Mousse 17:33 Botox at 19 Debate 19:04 Madonna Butt Implants 21:00 Good Hang and Kardashians 24:11 Taylor Showgirl Backlash 34:20 Running Gear Optimization 37:01 Gross Keepsakes and Hoarding 40:53 High School Reunion Drama 45:41 Wrap Up and Bake Off Plans

Aging Out of F***s: Midlife Brain Shifts Joy and Claire discuss upcoming travel and Claire shares enjoying runs guided by a British-accented DJ coach, switching her weightlifting to evenings for convenience, and the great on-ear headphones review. They talk about Joy's Santa Fe anniversary trip and a Big Thief concert with incredible people-watching and praise for lead singer Adrianne Lenker’s musicianship. They then unpack Ellen Schur’s “Aging Out of F***s,” linking midlife hormonal/neurological changes to reduced people-pleasing, less self-censorship, energy prioritization, authenticity, and social stigma around women being “difficult.” 00:00 Welcome and Drinks Chat 01:25 Needy Dogs Take Over 04:27 Dog Boarding Moab Dilemma 06:53 Travel Plans Florida Trip 07:44 Night Workouts and Running 09:56 Sleep Guilt and Chronotypes 16:05 Running Gear and Pop Culture 17:38 Santa Fe Anniversary Concert 20:01 Haircut Appointment Drama 21:33 Aging Out of F***s Explained 31:57 Work Filters and Authenticity 38:28 Wrap Up and Goodbye

Estate Planning Part 2: Wills, Trusts, LGBTQ Families, and Picking the Right Attorney (with Zach Anderson) Joy and Claire welcome back Zach Anderson for a Part 2 focused on listener questions. He explains how to “fire” an attorney, how attorneys may withdraw from clients, and what to look for in a divorce lawyer—especially communication, proactivity, and balancing negotiation with litigation costs. The conversation covers confirmatory/stepparent adoptions in reciprocal IVF situations, legal barriers for trans birth-certificate sex changes requiring surgery in Nebraska, and how legal change often comes through private practice. Zach defines guardianships and conservatorships, stressing planning to avoid burdening others. They compare wills, trusts, and transfer-on-death deeds, emphasize updating beneficiaries, and offer ways to start estate-planning conversations with parents. 00:00 Welcome Back Zach 02:02 Quadplex With Friends 04:00 Neutral Third Parties 05:25 Firing Your Attorney 09:09 Divorcing An Attorney 10:37 Choosing Divorce Counsel 16:10 Reciprocal IVF Adoption 19:47 Trans Name Change Barriers 24:15 Changing Law From Within 25:56 Doing Good Doing Well 26:57 When Cases Escalate 27:27 Costs and Client Counseling 30:32 Guardianships Explained 31:34 Moral vs Legal Duty 36:02 Wills Trusts and TOD Deeds 37:36 Beneficiaries and Special Needs 40:55 Custom Plans Not Templates 42:59 Unequal Inheritances Talk It Out 45:31 How to Talk to Parents 47:19 Messy Now or Messier Later 51:36 Wrap Up and Where to Follow

Joy and Claire catch up after Joy’s birthday weekend, which included friends, cupcakes and IKEA closets. They discuss decluttering excess clothes and shoes and Scott’s “optimization” impulse leading him to gift Claire Shokz open-ear running headphones. Updates include a permitted Arches hike, an upcoming Santa Fe anniversary trip to see Big Thief, quick-fire Q&A on small purchases, fitness and running, Bake Off podcast plans, recharging tips, brow products for thinning brows, and excitement for Halloween and an Elizabeth Holmes documentary; Ilona Maher likes their Instagram post. 00:00 Welcome Back Birthday Haze 01:05 Magnesium Sleep Wins 01:56 New Closet Delivery Day 03:04 Watching The Delivery Grind 05:36 DIY Drawers And Frames 07:29 Dimitri The Tasker 09:41 Meet Gino Handyman Hero 13:17 Closet Costs And Clutter 16:05 Decluttering Shoes And Sales 18:03 Running Influencer Headphones 19:57 Scott Wants To Optimize 21:45 Small Ears Tragus Problem 22:48 Scott’s Headphone Obsession 24:48 Ilona Maher Likes the Post 25:31 Arches Permit Hike Recap 27:27 Machu Picchu Family Bits 28:27 Santa Fe Trip and Quickfire 29:05 Under $50 Favorites 30:10 Fitness and Running Plans 31:56 Bake Off Podcast Returns 33:08 Ghost Haunting Picks 34:21 Recharge and Brow Tips 36:54 Tiny Joys and Fall Treats 39:06 Wrap Up and Where to Find Us

Joy Turns 49, Lila's Release, and Midlife Mindset Resets On Joy’s 49th birthday episode of Older and Wilder, Joy and Claire reflect on years of podcasting, privacy in the internet age, and September nostalgia. Joy shares a major update about Lilas. They discuss the emotional toll of puppy raising, current dog life with River, Haynes, and new puppy McCoy. Joy talks about recent body dysmorphia, balancing rest vs pushing through, nervous-system reset, training for a Moab trail race, and Delia’s nostalgia at Target. 00:00 Birthday Kickoff 00:57 Privacy And Cybersecurity 03:26 Manitou Birthday Plans 04:10 September Nostalgia 05:56 High School Sports Memories 07:33 Gary Amber And Pella 10:34 Leela Released From Training 13:07 Adopting Leela To Friends 18:04 Puppy Raising Reality Check 20:28 Dog Quirks And Car Chaos 24:55 McCoy The Prom King Pup 26:26 Hormonal Body Dysmorphia 27:41 Posting Versus Talking 30:53 Breaking Restriction Spirals 32:39 Fitness Influencer Pressure 36:07 Rest Versus Hustle 38:45 Nervous System Reset Hacks 40:25 Rules for Real Recovery 45:57 Bougie Gym Master Plan 47:33 Moab Trail Race Prep 50:23 Delias Target Nostalgia 52:25 Wrap Up and Goodbye

Zachary Anderson on Building a Queer-Affirming Nebraska Law Firm and the Estate Planning Basics Everyone Needs https://www.zandersonlaw.com/whozacharyis Joy and Claire welcome back Zachary Anderson, a law attorney in Nebraska, to discuss his firm’s rapid growth since launching in April 2025 and his recent recognition including the Nebraska State Bar Association Diversity Award, an ABA Family Law Section fellowship, and being a top-three finalist for a Clio award for Best New Law Firm. They focus on reducing fear around legal planning, especially estate planning, and Zach outlines “bare minimum” documents. He also notes guardianship nominations and extra protections for same-sex couples. He explains the consequences of having nothing in place and warns against cookie-cutter online services, discusses typical cost ranges, and strongly encourages using a corporate fiduciary instead of family as executor. 00:00 Welcome Back Zach! 02:20 Why Start A Firm 03:32 From Struggle To Growth 05:39 Building A Misfit Team 11:03 Holistic Family Law 17:06 Listener Questions Begin 19:24 Estate Planning Basics 29:12 Costs And Online Wills 37:01 Helping Aging Parents 38:55 Executors And Recordkeeping 46:10 Normalize Hard Conversations 48:02 Finding The Right Attorney 50:59 Where To Find Zach 51:43 Wrap Up And Next Episode

Aging, Menopause at Work, and “Quiet Quitting” Marriage Joy and Claire discuss how recording video and constant self-viewing intensify anxiety about aging, prompting talk of Botox, Morpheus lasers, marionette lines, and comparing themselves to celebrities, along with a resolve to avoid escalating to fillers. Claire shares a conversation with her Spanish tutor about fiber, beans, and GLP-1 drugs, highlighting how American culture uniquely pressures older women to avoid looking older, contrasted with women who prioritize life experience over appearance. They then explore a listener’s concern that increased menopause visibility at work may fuel stigma even as it helps women feel less self-conscious about symptoms and asking for help. Finally, they discuss the “quiet quitting” marriage trend among midlife women—especially after kids get older—covering unequal mental load, shifting needs, hormones and libido changes, reluctance to divorce or date again, and redefining fulfillment beyond a romantic partner. 00:00 Welcome Back and Lighting 00:35 Botox and Mirror Fatigue 01:20 Marco Polo and Self Scrutiny 03:43 Neck Angles and Housewives 04:31 Spanish Tutor and Fiber Talk 06:31 Ozempic Culture Shock 08:11 Surf Trip Aging Perspective 09:18 Holding the Line on Procedures 10:00 Menopause Talk Backlash 11:42 Asking for Help at Work 15:35 Taboos Tampons and Perimenopause 17:24 Workplace Culture and Tough Leaders 18:03 Owning Mom Life at Work 18:57 Family First Team Culture 20:15 Tradwife Backlash Talk 20:45 Quiet Quitting Marriages 22:13 Why Women Check Out 27:45 Staying Married to Avoid Dating 28:59 Hormones and Midlife Intimacy 33:15 Mental Load and Weaponized Incompetence 35:53 Why This Keeps Happening 38:46 Choosing Stability Over Divorce 39:33 Wrap Up and Where to Find Us

Beating the Heat, Better Sleep, and Finding Your Village Joy and Claire discuss relentless August heat in Colorado/Moab, irritability, sweating, and perimenopause questions. Joy shares progress on 3:00 AM wake-ups after taking Pure Synergy’s Vital Ocean Magnesium and they talk about individualized approaches including hormones, ashwagandha, and sleep environment. They tangent to Thorne’s acquisition by Procter & Gamble and concerns about ingredient quality after big buyouts. They credit listener Justine for “This is my body today,” reflect on pull-ups and shifting fitness goals, celebrate using fitness to move a couch, and explore the value of nearby community after Joy's childhood best friend moves close. They end with “what a time to be alive” trends: blepharoplasty and Taylor Swift’s minor haircut. 00:00 Summer Heat Check 00:45 Humidity Meltdown Story 02:16 Perimenopause and Irritability 04:13 Dressing for Colorado Weather 05:17 Handheld Cooling Gadget 07:42 Night Sweats and 3AM Wakeups 09:03 Magnesium Sleep Breakthrough 10:54 Thorne Acquisition Talk 17:12 Supplements and Skepticism 20:13 Acupuncture Reset and Therapy Dogs 21:56 Neck Injury Backstory 23:35 Bodywork And Fascia Relief 24:03 Ticklishness And Pedicures 25:35 Tickle Torture Memories 26:24 This Is My Body Today Credit 27:39 Pullups And Seasonality 30:26 Shelving Fitness Goals 31:44 Moving A Couch Using Fitness 34:42 Donkeys Strength And Pop Culture 35:49 Craving Village And Community 44:21 Bleph Trend And New Insecurities 49:18 Taylor Swift Hair Clickbait 49:48 Wrap Up And Where To Find Us

Affirming Care, Perimenopause, and the Times We’re In (with Rebecca from Folx) On Older and Wilder, hosts Claire and Joy talk with Rebecca (Laugh Cry Club) about debunking mental-health misinformation and Rebecca’s work at Folx, a telehealth company providing affirming LGBTQIA+ healthcare, including gender-affirming hormone therapy, primary care, and mental health services. They discuss barriers and non-affirming experiences in traditional healthcare, explain that gender-affirming care is careful, assessment-based, and not the sensationalized narratives about minors, and note gatekeeping like required WPATH letters for adult surgeries. The conversation shifts to perimenopause/menopause, covering brain fog, hot flashes, sleep disruption, and sudden mental-health drops, with hormones helping some and emphasizing not to self-gaslight and to seek specialized care. They also touch on workplace normalization, compassion over “I suffered so you should,” and share “What a Time to Be Alive” moments. 01:11 True Crime Riff 01:54 HOA And Neighborhood Drama 03:14 What Folx Does 04:56 Barriers In Healthcare 07:33 Affirming Intake Process 09:43 Trans Care Education 15:12 Gatekeeping And WPATH Letters 18:35 Trans Athletes Mythbusting 20:38 Perimenopause Mental Health 24:40 Rebecca Symptoms And HRT 27:01 3AM Wakeups And Sleep 27:42 Sleep Heat Fixes 28:25 Perimenopause Mood Spiral 29:54 Medication and Hormone Help 34:34 Rage and No Fs 37:18 Care Is Affirming 38:09 Workplace Brain Fog 42:00 What a Time Segment 47:12 Texas THC Crackdown 51:11 Wrap Up and Japan Plug

Tinned Fish Corner, Back-to-School Heat, and Pushing Back on the Skinny Comeback Joy and Claire catch up in August before pivoting to parenting in 105-degree heat and the chaos of changing summer camps ahead of back-to-school. They share fall anticipation and Trader Joe’s favorites, quick high-protein lunches, and considerations like mercury and wild-caught vs farmed fish. The conversation broadens to fiber, digestion, and how diet culture evolved from macro counting to Whole30, including fears of overeating and “food noise.” They discuss GLP-1 discourse, cultural pressure toward skinniness, and a Liz Plank essay about celebrity bodies triggering past disordered thinking, emphasizing strength, health, and sustainability over thinness. 00:00 August Swift Talk 00:51 Secret Wedding Theories 04:13 Back to School Chaos 05:47 Fall Vibes Shopping 06:28 Sardine Trend Tips 09:33 Tinned Fish Lunch Routine 10:40 Mercury and Wild Caught 14:16 Fiber Protein Focus 18:50 Whole30 Flashback 21:04 Food Rules and Noise 24:48 Food Noise Returns 25:40 GLP-1 Culture Concerns 27:08 Celebrity Bodies Trigger 28:26 Fighting Skinny Ideal 32:21 Health Over Trends 35:28 Insecurity Bandwagons 37:51 Body Appreciation Talk 41:57 Jeans and Body Humor 44:10 Fad Diet Flashbacks 47:20 Pinterest and Tattoos 49:58 Wrap Up and Goodbye

Naps, Diet Culture, and Warming Up for Longevity Joy and Claire open by joking about short naps and then reflect on how a recent episode sparked strong listener response about diet culture’s persistence and evolution, including new medications. They discuss the CrossFit Games’ apparent production and organization issues, and how old photos from macro-counting days resurfaced, prompting a visceral reaction to being extremely lean and the “strong is the new skinny” era that normalized food scales and constant tracking. A friend’s use of peptides for recovery and appetite-adjacent effects raises questions about “tools” versus triggering body-image and diet mindsets, with concerns about internet-pitched weight-loss drugs. The conversation shifts to aging and workouts—needing longer warmups, soreness after running with younger relatives, choosing safer exercise substitutions, and prioritizing “fitness to say yes” for everyday life. They critique viral nutrition claims, chat about Strava culture, mention AI-driven cheating prevention in online tests, invite listeners to share “I have to warm up now” moments, and plug their Japan 2028 trip and contact info. 00:00 Welcome and nap talk 00:55 Diet culture backlash 01:46 CrossFit Games chaos 03:18 Macro era memories 05:04 Strong is new skinny 07:21 Peptides and body tools 11:04 Slippery slope of dieting 12:58 Aging and workout reality 17:56 Running with younger cousins 20:42 Owning the weight room 22:26 Strava Culture Shock 24:15 Warmups Over Winning 25:27 Longevity Mindset Shift 28:04 Fitness for Real Life 31:01 Letting Go of PRs 33:45 Fitness to Say Yes 34:50 McCoy Window Escape 38:24 Viral Wellness Nonsense 40:32 What a Time Online 43:26 Wrap Up and Japan Trip

Joy and Claire recap Claire’s trip and an Indian-Jewish wedding featuring elaborate bridal henna. They start a segment on being grateful for fitness and a “marriage hack” involving Nordstrom Anniversary Sale clothes. The conversation shifts to evolving body image, past macro-counting/CrossFit diet culture harms, and mixed feelings about GLP-1s and cosmetic fixes, plus personal body-change wishes. They close with “What a Time to Be Alive” moments and a Japan trip launching August 15 for May 2028. 00:00 Welcome Back and Henna 01:41 Haircut Waitlist Madness 02:55 National Park Permit Frenzy 03:47 Wedding Glass Mishap 04:48 Grateful for Fitness 06:51 Bike Lifting and Costco Strength 11:13 Nordstrom Marriage Hack 15:32 Body Image Mindset Shift 18:08 Beauty Standards and Insecurities 21:30 Macro Counting Flashback 25:37 Macro Hunger Wakeups 26:26 Diet Culture Red Flags 26:57 GLP-1 Temptation Talk 27:39 Postpartum Body Shift 29:45 Fitness Without Obsession 32:47 Cosmetic Fixes And Filler 35:16 Toxins And Foot Baths 37:13 Muscle Gains And Gym Insecurities 38:45 Body Changes We Wanted 46:21 What A Time To Be Alive 50:55 Wrap Up And Japan Trip

Skunked Dogs, Puppy Tummy Trouble, and a Midlife Culture Check Joy and Claire share life updates from a random episode: Claire is in Colorado for the week for a friend’s wedding and a hectic round of visiting friends and kids’ friends; she and Brandon started watching and loving Ted Lasso. Back in Moab, their dog River got skunked late at night. Joy recounts taking puppy McCoy to the vet for tummy issues. They discuss concerns about ultra-thin celebrity trends, fillers, and weight-loss drugs, note Joy’s Morpheus8 results and improved Botox longevity, share a positive recovery update on Ronnie Z amid nearby Colorado wildfires, touch on tick-related alpha-gal syndrome, and end with “would you rather” questions and glucose-monitor/berberine reflections. 00:00 Colorado Catch Up 01:32 Kids Flying Solo 02:09 Desert Heat Problems 03:34 Starting Ted Lasso 04:40 River Gets Skunked 10:30 Celebrity Thinness Talk 17:30 Body Image And Aging 19:32 McCoy Vomiting Mystery 20:43 Missing Dog Tag Clue 21:41 Mystery Tag Found 22:38 3AM Staircase Disaster 24:22 Carpet Cleaner Saves Day 26:53 Probiotics Fixes 27:32 Morpheus8 Update 28:20 Ronnie Z Recovery 29:01 Wildfire Worries 30:24 Tick Meat Allergy 32:31 Would You Rather Game 33:00 Glucose Monitor Check In 34:54 More Would You Rathers 40:19 Wrap Up And Goodbye