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7.13. Partner as a Truth Teller with Sandra Cain In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global senior faculty member Sandra Cain about seeing our relationships as a teacher. If we choose to look, our partners reveal truths to us. What qualities catch our attention in the people around us, and how can we use this as a doorway to exploring our relationship with ourselves?  Links to Sandra's previous appearances on the podcast: Finding Right in RelationshipCrossing Edges and Returning to the OfficeParenting with a Systems Coaching Lens Sandra Cainpartners with individuals, partnerships and teams to increase their awareness of their strengths and challenges, boosting effectiveness while also bringing lightness and humor. She incorporates a systems theory approach that reveals potential and resolves conflict. In addition to coaching teams, partnerships and individuals, Sandra’s strengths include team building, leadership development, change management and quoting lines from Monty Python movies. When not working, you’ll find Sandra breaking up a fight between her two cats, hiking or zooming on a river in a vintage speedboat. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

In this episode, Katie talks with coach supervisor Kat Hay about the magic and mystery that lives within supervision and the supervisory relationship. Across this conversation, they explore the evolution from coach to supervisor and what it takes to be a supervisory space holder.  Coach supervision isn’t advanced coaching; it transcends and includes coaching by expanding on systemic awareness and space holding and utilises everything that shows up within the supervisory relationship. Instead of reaching a goal, we work thematically, exploring the bigger narrative arcs and themes in the supervisee’s life.  Kat Hay’s  intuitive ability is a focal point in supporting supervisees to check their own beliefs, rebut assumptions, get curious and embrace personal well-being in order to have a clearer mental space for the complexities of their clients and teams. Her supervision philosophy has three essential cornerstones: presence, self-awareness and courage. Kat has an unshakeable belief in systems-inspired wisdom, the interconnectedness of all things and a greater consciousness for the sake of a better world. She thrives on making a difference by evolving coaches to develop and blossom into global stewards with systemic perspectives. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Zana Goic Petricevic and host Katie Churchman build on a previous conversation about leading on the edge, In considering how we can expand this principle into our lives, they: explore ways to embrace change in our lives to create more fulfilling, authentic, and connected experiences.share examples from their own lives where embracing change has been transformativediscuss how they stay motivated in the face of the uncertainty that accompanies significant change. Listen to Zana's previous episode, Part 1 of this conversation: Leading on the EdgeZana Goic Petricevic is a visionary leadership coach, author, and consultant with nearly two decades of experience empowering individuals and teams to lead with boldness and integrity. With her impressive background in corporate communications and a unique approach that combines strategic insight with deep, vulnerable conversations, Zana inspires C-suite executives and mission-driven organizations across the globe to disrupt the status quo and unlock their highest potential. She's the mastermind behind the SOUL Framework and the author of insightful books like “Bold Reinvented” and “Leading on the Edge.”  For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 10: Leading on the Edge with Zana Goic Petricevic.  In this episode, Katie Churchman speaks with Zana Goic Petricevic about the transformative power of leading from the edge. The only constant in life is change. In this empowering discussion, Zana and Katie explore how to view change as an ally and how to consciously and intentionally move forward in the face of change. This conversation will provide leaders with a roadmap for embracing change thoughtfully and purposefully, encouraging them to adopt bold, game-changing ideas that can create extraordinary impact. Zana Goic Petricevic is a visionary leadership coach, author, and consultant with nearly two decades of experience empowering individuals and teams to lead with boldness and integrity. With her impressive background in corporate communications and a unique approach that combines strategic insight with deep, vulnerable conversations, Zana inspires C-suite executives and mission-driven organizations across the globe to disrupt the status quo and unlock their highest potential. She's the mastermind behind the SOUL Framework and the author of insightful books like “Bold Reinvented” and “Leading on the Edge.”  For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 9: Worldwork Reimagined with Michelle Davis Throughout this powerful conversation, Michelle Davis, CRR Global's Director of Strategic Worldwork and podcast host Katie Churchman reimagine what worldwork could look like if it were embodied and lived. As opposed to being something we do, how can worldwork be an expression of how we relate to  people, projects and the world around us?  Worldwork (originally conceptualized by Dr. Arnold Mindell and Dr. Amy Mindell) is a systemic approach and awareness stance for engaging with human relationship systems. It brings attention to both the individual and the collective, helping people work with the dynamics of conflict, identity, culture, emotion and power. Worldwork draws from psychology, ecology and social theory to understand how personal experience and larger social forces shape the way groups, partnerships, communities and organizations evolve. It also helps us to notice how a system expresses itself through roles, signals, patterns and emotional fields. Worldwork Reimagined recognizes that each of us continually influences the systems we inhabit, whether we are aware of it or not. Although this influence can lead to significant acts of service or community engagement, worldwork always begins with the self. Personal awareness, responsibility and intentional choice form the foundation of meaningful systemic impact.  Michelle Davis is a leadership coach, systems thinker, and champion for connection across differences. As Director of Strategic Worldwork and a faculty member at CRR Global, Michelle empowers leaders and teams to bridge divides, transform conflict and co-create a more just future. With a background in counseling and deep expertise in relationship systems coaching, she helps groups surface hidden barriers and build authentic, purpose-driven collaboration. Guided by values of justice, integrity and love, Michelle is here to help us reimagine what’s possible—together. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 8: Finding Right in Relationship with Sandra Cain.  In this episode, Katie welcomes CRR Global faculty member, Sandra Cain to the show to talk about finding ‘right’ in a relationship. This is a playful and exploratory conversation in which Sandra and Katie share some of their own, not-so-flattering examples of times when they were so focused on being right that they lost sight of the relationship.  Links to Sandra's previous appearances on the podcast: Crossing Edges and Returning to the OfficeParenting with a Systems Coaching LensSandra Cain partners with individuals, partnerships and teams to increase their awareness of their strengths and challenges, boosting effectiveness while also bringing lightness and humor. She incorporates a systems theory approach that reveals potential and resolves conflict. In addition to coaching teams, partnerships and individuals, Sandra’s strengths include team building, leadership development, change management and quoting lines from Monty Python movies. When not working, you’ll find Sandra breaking up a fight between her two cats, hiking or zooming on a river in a vintage speedboat. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 7: Grief as a Portal to the Dream with Marita Fridjhon.  Grief is everywhere right now. Across the globe, people are mourning what has been lost—lives, livelihoods, ecosystems, certainties and futures they once imagined would be possible. Some losses are sudden and visible. Others are slow, ambiguous and harder to name. What makes this moment particularly challenging is that much of the grief we are carrying has no clear ritual, no shared language and no agreed-upon timeline. We are grieving while still expected to perform, adapt, and move forward. In systems, unacknowledged grief does not disappear. It goes underground. And from there, it shapes behavior, culture and decision-making. To work with the dreaming nature of systems, we must learn to meet grief not as an obstacle, but as a portal.  Marita Fridjhon is the co-founder of CRR Global and co-creator of Organization and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC™), the first systems coaching methodology accredited by the International Coaching Federation. A veteran coach and respected thought leader, Marita has spent more than three decades developing approaches that strengthen systemic intelligence in individuals, teams and organizations. She serves as a mentor and inspiration to a growing global community of practitioners in relationship systems work.  Marita’s current work focuses on Systems Inspired Evolution, an approach centered on meeting, revealing, aligning and attending to the unseen dynamics that shape collective behavior. She is the co-author of the books Systems Inspired Leadership and Creating Intelligent Teams and the co-creator of the Systems Inspired Supervision model together with Sunčica Getter. Read Marita's article: https://systemsinspiredevolution.substack.com/p/grief-as-portal-to-the-dream For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 6: Imagination in Relationship with Nairy McMahon.  Nairy McMahon, Head of CRR UK, and Katie speak about the importance of imagination in relationships. When we outsource our imagination to other people, technologies, and systems, do we give away our power and our ability to dream beyond our current paradigm? In this playful and explorative discussion, Nairy and Katie look at imagination in relationships using the Three Levels of Reality model, covering how consensus relationships, dreaming, and essence impact our ability to imagine, and discuss ways to bring imagination back into our relationships and our lives.  Nairy McMahon is the head of CRR UK, a CRR Global faculty member, and a certified coach who specializes in supporting boards, C-suites, and executive teams through complex transitions. She partners with leaders navigating mergers, restructuring, funding challenges, and ambitious strategies, helping them stay in relationship through the tensions of transformation. She partners with leaders navigating mergers, restructuring, funding challenges, and ambitious strategies, helping them maintain strong relationships even through the tensions of transformation. Nairy’s work is all about expanding leadership capacity to meet today’s challenges and step courageously into the unknown. She’s passionate about weaving strategy and culture together, supporting organizations in creating purposeful, life-giving futures. Nairy brings a relational lens to every engagement, turning expertise into impact and helping vision take root in strong cultures. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems-Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Connection Empowers with Duncan Müller.  In this Connection Empowers Us episode, Katie Churchman talks with CRR Global faculty member Duncan Müller about how we can use connection to deepen our relationships. Throughout the conversation, Duncan and Katie explore how connecting with ourselves helps us connect more deeply with others. The more we hold within ourselves, the more we can hold for others, too. So how can we continue to deepen our connection, including noticing when we are disconnected from ourselves too?  Duncan Müller is a systems-inspired coach on a mission to help teams and leaders work smarter, lead with courage, and stay true to themselves. With over 20 years of corporate experience and a toolkit of top coaching credentials, Duncan empowers global teams to connect, challenge, and create real change. Known for blending empathy and courage, he inspires leaders to be authentic, speak up, and build workplaces where curiosity, freedom, and respect fuel transformation. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Walking the Talk of Relationships First at Work with Keiko Muramatsu and Eijiro Izumi.  In this episode, Katie speaks with CRR Global faculty members Keiko Muramatsu and  Eijiro Izumi about how the team at CRR Global Japan practices what they preach in their approach to business. This fascinating conversation offers insight into the value of a relationship-first approach to work. Taking time to focus on relationships can feel like a risk in our task-oriented lives, yet as this exploration shows, relationships can be the gift that keeps on giving.  This was a gorgeous example of Worldwork and the power of Relationship Systems Intelligence (RSI™) in action. Get ready to be inspired by the fabulous duo who represent the CRR Japan system in this conversation.   Keiko Muramatsu is a dynamic leadership coach who bridges East and West to help leaders and teams unlock their full potential. With deep expertise in systems coaching, a global perspective, and a background as a national athlete, Keiko empowers people to lead with courage, connection and creativity. She’s passionate about real harmony, bold conversations and inspiring transformation—especially for Asian leaders on the world stage. Keiko’s playful spirit and powerful presence helps organizations thrive together, all in service of helping people and systems flourish. This is Keiko’s second appearance on the podcast; she previously appeared in 2021, discussing how she uses ORSC tools in sports coaching.   Eijiro Izumi is an accomplished leadership coach and organizational consultant with global experience in HR and talent development. With degrees from Kyoto University and the University of Wisconsin, Eijiro has led HR initiatives across the Americas, driven transformation in major corporations, and now empowers teams at a leading automaker. He’s passionate about building workplaces where people find purpose, drive, and inspiration. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 3: Why Relationship Matters with Mike Holton.  In this conversation, Katie Churchman talks with CRR Global CEO Mike Holton about why relationship matters. Together, they consider how the relationships in our lives — at work, home and in our communities — are a major force for personal and societal growth. Throughout the conversation, Mike and Katie delve into the two-way street of relationships, exploring ways we can find our locus of control through this lens.  Mike Holton is CEO of CRR Global and a systems-inspired coach and facilitator who bridges individual transformation and collective impact. With a unique approach that combines Organizational and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC™), somatic awareness, and trauma-informed practices, he empowers leaders and teams to tap into the wisdom within their systems. Michael’s work is all about fostering authentic connection and resilience through courageous dialogue. Get ready for an enlightening conversation that will inspire and illuminate the journey to transformation! For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 2: Staying Grounded in a Time of Tension with Martin Klaver.  Right now, our world is filled with divisive, conflicting and fear-driven narratives. How do we engage with these systems, whilst also not losing ourselves? In this episode Katie Churchman speaks with Martin Klaver about staying grounded through turbulent times, in a conversation exploring ways to help ourselves and the systems we work with find centre.  Martin Klaver is a systems-inspired coach and facilitator with a passion for group dynamics. He helps teams and organizations unlock their potential by reconnecting with their purpose. As a faculty member at CRR Global, Martin specializes in team coaching, leadership development and acting as a sparring partner. His knowledgeable and slightly rebellious approach fosters strong relationships, which he believes are essential for creating successful teams. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems-Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 7 Episode 1: I Just Can't See The Bigger Picture with Sunčica Getter.  To kick start Season 7 of the Relationship Matters Podcast, we are delighted to welcome back systems coach and host, Katie Churchman and Sunčica Getter, co-creator of CRR Global’s Systems Inspired™ Supervision Training Program. In this mind-opening conversation, Katie and Suncica explore what it means to accept that we just can’t see the bigger picture yet and probably never will. This is a refreshing and freeing conversation, and essential listening for coaches, leaders and coach supervisors.  Perhaps simply accepting that there is always a ‘bigger picture’ from the lens we’re looking through is enough to take us to a systemic-level balcony—a space where we open ourselves to new ways of seeing and experiencing the world.  Sunčica Getter is a systemic coach, consultant and educator focused on personal and community transformation. With a rich background in coaching, mindfulness, and psychodynamic approaches, Sunčica collaborates with leaders and organizations worldwide — helping them expand awareness and create resilient systems. She co-created the Systems Inspired Coaching Supervision model and holds a master’s degree in consulting and organizational leadership. Beyond her professional work, Sunčica translates poetry and enjoys pottery and nature walks. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

S6. Bonus Episode: The Journey to Becoming a Coach Supervisor.  In this bonus episode on Systems Inspired™ coaching supervision, Katie speaks with coach, facilitator and certified coaching supervisor, Katy Stone about her journey. Key takeaways from this episode: Coaching supervision is a space for coaches to refresh and renew themselves, a reflective practice and developmental environment where coaches can explore who they want to become as coaches. Great supervision offers a playground for this exploration. The body is a resource to guide our supervisory approach. We recognize that, as supervisors, we are tools for others' learning and growth. Supervision offers ways to unlock the power of the ‘inner supervisor’ within ourselves. Coaching supervision is a process rather than a product. We can embrace and learn from the inherently intelligent, generative and creative supervisory relationship.  Katy Stone, MA, LPC, PCC, ESIA is a systems-inspired coach, facilitator, and certified coaching supervisor, She supports individuals, leaders and their teams, couples and parents, and coaches to engage more fully with their own wisdom, navigate relational complexity, and co-create transformative change. Katy partners with clients seeking greater alignment, emotional fluency, and systemic awareness. Her approach invites clients to engage the emotional, somatic, and energetic intelligence within their systems in service of authentic and life-giving action.  Katy holds credentials as an Organization and Relationship Systems Certified Coach (ORSCC), a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC), Professional Certified Coach (PCC), and a certified coaching supervisor. She has served as faculty for the ORSC core curriculum and teaches in academic and professional settings, including Naropa University and the University of Colorado. Her work is guided by values of curiosity, compassion, embodiment, and courageous dialogue.  Katy believes that transformation emerges when systems slow down enough to listen deeply to themselves and act from what is most alive and true. Her invitation is for individuals and collectives to align with purpose, presence, and possibility. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

Season 6 Bonus Episode  Holding Space in Coaching Supervision. In this bonus episode, Katie speaks with Director of Continuous Development Sunčica Getter about Systems Inspired™ supervision, why this resource is so important for professional coaches, and developing your inner supervisor.   Key takeaways from this episode: Supervision allows us to access new levels of awareness and hold them with a sense of intrigue and compassion. It is a powerful space that creates connection and reflection.Supervision is a slower, holding space that allows us to pause and recognize themes and patterns at individual and collective levels.We are instruments in our own work, so we must take care of ourselves. In this space, we can rest, restore and bring to the surface patterns that may not be visible to us.When we develop an inner supervisor, we can bring that greater awareness into many areas of our lives, helping shift patterns within ourselves and the systems in which we live and work.Patience and pause are essential parts of supervision. Supervision is a process focused on patterns, rather than a product geared toward action. In this space, we can zoom out and connect to the bigger picture in our individual and collective systems. To listen to Sunčica’s previous episode on Systems Coaching and Mindfulness, click here.  Sunčica Getter, ORSCC, MA, PCC, is a systemic coach, consultant and educator. With over 20 years of experience, her focus is on transformational leadership development and systemic culture change. Sunčica is a faculty member of CRR Global and a UK Faculty Lead and Senior Consultant for Performance Consultants International. Her work in coaching education has seen her train, mentor, and supervise coaches and design and deliver academic, public, and in-house coaching training and accreditation courses. Her experiences collaborating with world-class coaching institutions and a variety of clients have made Sunčica a trusted systemic coaching consultant. She advises companies and institutions on the implementation of systemic coaching and systemic thinking for both organisational and community development. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.