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Theology of Music

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This podcast has
134 episodes
Language
English
Publisher
Cliff Lambert
Explicit
No
Date created
2020/04/17
Latest episode
2026/09/15
Average duration
33 min.
Release period
41 days

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As an associate professor of music and worship and part-time worship pastor, Cliff has spent years thinking deeply about the songs that we sing together as a church during our corporate worship services. Yet, instead of being another deconstructing voice, Cliff seeks to foster thought-provoking and edifying conversations with folks who create and lead the songs we sing in corporate worship. 

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Choosing Songs for Corporate Worship as a Pastoral Function with Tim Johnson
2026/09/15
Today, we delve into the insights from a recent conversation with Tim Johnson, a seasoned worship leader from Crosslife Church in Orlando, who has been serving in ministry for over 25 years. He shares his journey and the importance of intentional song selection in worship services. Choosing songs for worship is not as simple as picking favorites or following trends. Tim emphasizes the need for worship leaders to avoid the trap of "drag and drop" song selection. Instead, each song should be carefully chosen to reflect the theology and message being conveyed. This not only enhances the worship experience but also shapes the congregation's understanding of faith and doctrine. Tim's journey into creating an online presence through  @WorshipLeaderHQ stemmed from a desire to connect with fellow worship leaders and share resources. He recognized a gap in the available support and encouragement for worship leaders facing similar challenges. By offering devotionals and practical advice, he aims to inspire others to lead with confidence and purpose. Intentional song selection is vital for effective worship leadership. By focusing on the theological depth of songs and fostering a supportive community among worship leaders, we can enhance the worship experience for congregations everywhere. Tim Johnson's insights remind us that worship is not merely a performance but a profound expression of faith that shapes our understanding of God. Tim has some great resources for worship leaders that can be found at www.worshipleaderhq.com
Leading Worship Through Personal Struggle with Nathan Lawrenson
2026/08/15
This episode dives into the journey of Nathan Lawrenson, a friend, colleague, and worship leader who navigated personal and professional challenges, especially concerning mental health. Nathan discusses how corporate worship can serve as a powerful form of healing, both for the leader and the congregation. He has learned much about how worship leadership not only exalts the name of Jesus and edifies others, but also provides the leader with connection both spiritually and relationally. The act of worship becomes a communal experience that fosters compassion and understanding, particularly for those facing personal battles. Whether you're a worship leader, a caregiver, or someone facing similar struggles, Nathan's story offers valuable insights and hope. Keep an eye out for Nathan's book on worship leadership, Practical Worship, to be released sometime next year.
The Importance of Singing Together with Andrew McKinney
2026/07/15
In this episode, I gained some valuable insights from Andrew McKinney with the Worship Initiative. Andrew is a seasoned worship leader and took the time to share his journey and the heart behind his ministry with the Worship Initiative.  Andrew notes that while the value of worship ministry is higher than ever, participation in singing seems to diminish. The question that often arises is, How do we effectively lead our congregations in meaningful worship? This paradox is critical to address. Andrew believes that many individuals feel inadequate in their singing abilities, leading them to refrain from participating. He stresses that congregational singing is a biblical expectation, encouraging worship leaders to create supportive environments where everyone feels comfortable to sing. Andrew's journey illustrates that worship ministry is not just about leading songs; it’s about guiding hearts toward God by emphasizing discipleship, empowerment, and community. Worship leaders can curate transformative worship experiences that resonate deeply with their congregations. As you reflect on your ministry, consider how you can implement these insights to foster a vibrant worship culture in your church.  For more information about The Worship Initiative and the "Sing" platform, visit: https://sing.theworshipinitiative.com/ Pastors and Worship Leaders interested in "Sing for Churches, " email Andrew at [email protected].
The FORM and FUNCTION of Music in Corporate Worship
2026/06/15
I got to sit down with a good friend and colleague, David Morton, who is the Pastor of Worship and Discipleship at Rileyville Baptist Church, Rileyville, VA. David is extremely well-read, and through it all, the Lord has given him a pastor's heart that truly desires corporate worship to be a practice of spiritual formation. Even though this podcast is titled The Theology of Music, I don't think I've ever done an episode that discusses the biblical roots of the purpose of music in corporate worship or otherwise. Why did God create music, and how was it used in Scripture?  Is any of this applicable to us today in the context of the 21st-century American church? Here, we discuss the ideas of FORM and FUNCTION from a biblical perspective. I pray this episode reminds listeners of the importance of making music to and about God, both individually and corporately.
One Paradigm for Choosing Corporate Worship Songs with Mike O'Brien
2026/02/15
I’ve been looking forward to this episode for a while now. I’ve been following Mike O’Brien with Three Streams Worship Training on Instagram for a few years, and I’ve always appreciated his biblical and practical advice for worship leaders. In our conversation, Mike and I discuss some of the finer details of leading worship, especially the importance of understanding the context in which we lead, thoughtful song selection, and creating a balanced worship experience that serves a diverse congregation. In addition to things that should be considered when planning worship songs for our churches, we talk about the need for worship leaders to be flexible, responsive, and focused on serving our communities through musical worship. My prayer is that this episode encourages worship leaders to think about how they design and lead their congregations in worship. Follow Mike on Instagram @mikeoworship. You can also get more information about his worship training at flow.page/threestreamsworshiptraining
Shepherding Our Congregations Beyond Musical Moments with Dr. Ryan Loche
2026/01/16
I always love having Dr. Ryan with The Church Collective on the podcast. I appreciate the fact that he’s a deep thinker but doesn’t take himself too seriously. We both come to the table with a lot of ground under our feet while realizing we don’t have all the answers and still need to grow spiritually and vocationally. In this month’s conversation with  Dr. Ryan, we explore the multifaceted role of worship leaders, emphasizing the importance of personal growth, intentional planning, and building relationships within the church community. We discussed the launch of Ryan's new podcast, www.formationtotransformation.com, which aims to deepen the understanding of worship beyond just singing. Our dialogue highlights the need for worship leaders to shepherd their congregations for the long haul, fostering a culture of discipleship and spiritual growth rather than just weekly musical moments. My prayer is that this episode encourages worship leaders to think about how they design and lead their congregations in worship.  As always, leave us your feedback. We’d love to hear from you.
The Value of Lament in Corporate Worship with Jon Thurlow
2025/11/25
I’m really excited for you to listen to this month’s episode of the podcast. I’ve been trying to get Jon on since June, and we were finally able to coordinate our schedules this month. As we were talking, I kept thinking that it was so worth the wait! If you’re a worship leader, let me encourage you to follow @jonmthurlow on Instagram. Jon is a worship pastor whose posts always remind worship leaders to get back to the heart of worship by allowing our leadership to flow out of time in the Word and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide us as we behold Jesus through the Scriptures.  In this episode, Jon and I dive into the importance of songs of lament in corporate worship.  We briefly touch on what they are and why they are so necessary in our corporate worship settings.  I really appreciate the different angles from which Jon approaches the much-needed element in our corporate worship. Our prayer is that it encourages worship leaders to think about how they design and lead their congregations in worship.  As always, leave us your feedback. We’d love to hear from you.
Relational Worship Leadership with Keith Elgin
2025/10/15
In this conversation, Keith emphasizes the importance of authenticity in worship leadership, the need for discipleship within worship teams, and the balance between talent and spiritual calling. Keith discusses how his personal journey has shaped his approach to ministry, highlighting the significance of focusing on Jesus rather than image, and the importance of creating a healthy worship environment. In this conversation, Keith and Cliff explore the transformative journey of leadership within the church, emphasizing the importance of personal revelations, relational dynamics, and the need for spiritual foundations. They discuss the challenges of equipping worship leaders, the significance of building trust and culture within teams, and the impact of personal integrity on leadership effectiveness. The dialogue highlights the necessity of aligning actions with values and the role of expectations in fostering growth and discipleship. You can find out more about how Keith can serve your worship ministry at www.keithelgin.com
Creative and Intentional Worship Planning Using AI with Adam Stinespring
2025/09/15
This month’s episode is a conversation I had with Adam Stinespring, worship leader, realtor, and designer of CreativeWorshipFlow.com, a worship planning tool using AI to assist worship leaders in putting together intentional times of worship for their congregations. I’ve known Adam for about 7 years, first as a music and worship student at Liberty University. A few months ago, Adam contacted me wanting feedback on something he had been working on with regard to designing musical worship sets.  He wanted to know what kinds of things I take into consideration when putting together songs for corporate worship gatherings. He then let me know he was working on a website that uses AI to assist worship leaders. My initial response of “That sounds cool” was mixed with hesitation when I thought about the possibility of a tool like this encouraging worship leaders to become lazy and disengaged. After diving a little deeper, I realized Adam is giving worship leaders a tool to do the opposite. I was very interested in his approach, and I think you will be too. I pray this episode provides some thought-provoking encouragement for those who plan worship services. As always, leave us your feedback. We’d love to hear from you.
When We Sing with Jon Azzarello
2025/08/15
As I was finishing up my doctoral studies in worship a couple of years ago, I came across a book called “The Greatest Worship Leader,” by author and worship pastor at Mercy Hill Church in North Carolina, Jon Azzarello.  I loved the book so much that I began to follow Jon on Instagram. His carousels with tidbits of encouragement for worship leaders were both encouraging and challenging. When he reached out to me, I knew I had to have him on the podcast…and the timing of him being on this month’s episode, I believe, was divinely ordained. This episode will drop on August 15, and Jon has a brand new “coffee table” book coming out the very next day called “When We Sing”. Here's the link so you can pre-order a copy: linktr.ee/jonazzarello It was such a refreshing conversation that deviated from the typical topic of song choices in worship to the actual act of singing… not only the scriptural command to sing, but also singing’s benefits to the singer. As a worshiper and as a worship leader, I know you’re going to benefit from every word in this episode provides. Our prayer is that it encourages you to not just listen to songs, but to sing them, too. As always, leave us your feedback. We’d love to hear from you.
Important Questions to Ask When Choosing Songs for Coprorate Worship with Dalton Shaffer
2025/07/14
This month’s episode is a conversation I had with Dalton Shaffer, Music Ministry and Liturgy Director at Candeo church in Cedar Falls, Iowa. I’ve followed Dalton for a while on Instagram, and his inspiration for worship leaders is always ROCK solid. A few weeks ago, he had a post titled “Stop Singing this song in your church,” and it got my attention. But this wasn’t just clickbait bashing mega church worship songwriters and shallow worship leaders who only focus on the vibe a song creates. After diving a little deeper, I realized he was giving worship leaders some great insight into what we should be considering when choosing songs for corporate worship.
AI and the Worship Leader with Travis Doucette - PART 2
2025/06/16
My guest on this month’s episode is an experienced worship pastor, educator, and songwriter who has provided oversight to one of the largest multi-campus churches in Virginia. I knew I wanted to pull from his expertise and finally got a chance to talk with Canadian native, Travis Doucette, the creator of a brand new training resource for worship leaders… myworshiptrainer.com.  Check it out! I’ve known Travis for several years through our connections at Liberty University. The thing I love about Travis is that before his abilities as a musician, artist, or leader, He identifies as a child of God, and that reality guides everything he does. In this first part of a two-part episode, Travis and I discuss the inevitable relationship between the worship pastor/leader/planner and AI. We both understand the spiritual tensions that come with utilizing technology, especially technology that produces human-like responses. You’re going to love Travis’ insights into ways worship leaders can use AI and the safeguards they can put in place to ensure corporate worship is biblically sound and Holy Spirit-led. Travis currently resides in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia. I pray this episode provides encouragement and guidance as you lead your church in worship. Leave us some feedback with some of your thoughts as well.
AI and the Worship Leader with Travis Doucette - PART 1
2025/05/15
My guest on this month’s episode is an experienced worship pastor, educator, and songwriter who has provided oversight to one of the largest multi-campus churches in Virginia. I knew I wanted to pull from his expertise and finally got a chance to talk with Canadian native, Travis Doucette, the creator of a brand new training resource for worship leaders… myworshiptrainer.com.  Check it out! I’ve known Travis for several years through our connections at Liberty University. The thing I love about Travis is that before his abilities as a musician, artist, or leader, He identifies as a child of God, and that reality guides everything he does. In this first part of a two-part episode, Travis and I discuss the inevitable relationship between the worship pastor/leader/planner and AI. We both understand the spiritual tensions that come with utilizing technology, especially technology that produces human-like responses. You’re going to love Travis’ insights into ways worship leaders can use AI and the safeguards they can put in place to ensure corporate worship is biblically sound and Holy Spirit-led. Travis currently resides in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia. I pray this episode provides encouragement and guidance as you lead your church in worship. Leave us some feedback with some of your thoughts as well.
Worship Song Contextualization with Dr. Ryan Loche of the Church Collective
2025/04/03
My guest on this month's episode was long overdue! I got a chance to talk with Dr. Ryan Loche, the co-founder of The Church Collective https://www.instagram.com/thechurchcollective/. If you’re unfamiliar with this non-profit that encourages and resources worship leaders, you need to check it out on Instagram. I’ve known Dr. Loche for about 10 years, and he’s the real deal. He has served as a worship pastor in California and continues to pour his experience into young worship leaders at the collegiate level.   In this episode, Dr. Loche and I discuss worship song contextualization. In other words, choosing songs that are not only biblically true and musically singable but also relatable on a “need” level within our churches. You’re going to love Dr. Loche’s insights in these areas. Dr. Loche currently resides in the Nashville area with his wife, Charity, and their four children. I pray this episode provides encouragement and guidance as you lead your church of worship. Leave us some feedback with some of your thoughts as well.
Colossians 3:16 - An Biblical Guide to Corporate Worship with Spencer Cormany from Leading Worship Well
2025/02/28
Colossians 3:16 not only guides the Church in WHY we should sing but WHAT we should be singing and WHY we should be singing it.

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5 out of 5
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Jeffrey David 2022/02/11
Refreshing and honest
I had the pleasure of sitting down to talk with Joel a few weeks ago and it was a blast. The whole approach of Theology of Music is laid back and Joe...
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jstinson7 2022/02/11
Excellent Podcast
There are few great podcasts about the theology —-good or bad—of music we sing in the church today. Joel is to the point with interesting questions—g...
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J.Conwell 2022/02/11
New listener - love the guests
Newish listener and I have to say, I love the guests that Joel has on his podcast! From people like Meredith Andrews and Mike Donehey to local pastors...
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BUBBUA 2022/01/29
Good and Sometimes Bad lol JK it’s great
For real. This podcast is so helpful! It’s pastoral. Joel speaks from a pretty balanced perspective on the theology in songs that we sing in church. F...
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LA Walt 2021/09/06
Good Insight
I learn a lot as a worship leader from this pod and the perspectives presented.
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Podcast Lover <3 2021/08/03
Better as it went on!
I have greatly appreciated Joel’s perspective! As a longtime listener, it has been wonderful to hear him be open and willing to shift in focus or appr...
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