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2020/05/10
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2026/10/22
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The internet of money is being built with blockchain technology and without banks. We call it DeFi, short for Decentralized Finance, and this is where you can hear the builders and users of this cutting edge world tell their stories first hand. Hosted by Camila Russo.
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Mark Karpelès Opened the Ledgers. The Spy Chips Are Mass-Produced.
2026/10/22
The chip that stole more than $90 million from Ledger users costs less than $20 to build, snaps into place with three solder points, and has gone through at least three generations of design. Whoever makes it isn't planning a short run.
Ledger says its own chip and software were never compromised, and that every confirmed case traces back to one Malaysian reseller, CryptoBilis. But implanted devices have also been reported from authorized shops in Singapore and from MediaMarkt in Germany, and Ledger had photos of the newer implant on its website months before the drains.
Camila Russo talks with Mark Karpelès, the former Mt. Gox CEO who now runs Karpeles Lab, and who found the mass-produced implant after buying a half-price Nano X on Amazon Japan. He explains how the board is installed, why he thinks someone is selling it as a product, and why weighing your wallet won't catch it. He also responds to Ledger CEO Pascal Gauthier, who said Mark's Mt. Gox record makes him no white knight, and argues that one well-placed warning could have saved most of the money.
So who is building these implants, and who else is buying them? Mark walks through what to check on your own device, why panicking is the bigger risk, the open-source antenna detector he's building, and why he still thinks self-custody is the whole point of Bitcoin.
"If you have a hardware wallet, it shouldn't contain a mobile antenna."
Guest: Mark Karpelès (Karpeles Lab)Topics: Ledger, Nano X, hardware wallet implant, supply chain attack, CryptoBilis, MediaMarkt, seed phrase, Mt. Gox, Pascal Gauthier, Joe Grand, self-custody, multisig, crypto security, hardware security
He Lost $14M to FTX. Now He’s Putting Real Stocks on Solana | Armani Ferrante (Backpack)
2026/10/19
What do you actually own when you buy a tokenized stock? Backpack founder Armani Ferrante breaks down the transfer agent, DTCC, SPV debt-security and Backpack models. Backpack’s version is 1:1 redeemable stock you can move between your brokerage and DeFi. Armani explains how that unlocks arbitrage and better price execution, how 24/7 trading and in-kind dividends work, and why the BP token gave zero tokens to founders, team or investors, with 20% of company equity set aside for stakers.Explore The Defiant ✨
STRK’s L1 Bet: Eli Ben-Sasson on Starknet’s Exit Plan
2026/10/16
Starknet says it is “actively considering becoming an L1” — leaving Ethereum to become what it calls the first fully quantum-resistant network, with 2027 as the target. StarkWare co-founder and CEO Eli Ben-Sasson joins Camila Russo to explain the plan.The announcement came as a post on X on Oct. 8, with no governance proposal attached. STRK ran from $0.05 to $0.12 in five days and has since given back most of it. In the same week, StarkWare shipped Shadow Accounts, a privacy primitive that gives users a separate address per app, and launched OffMarket, a service for trading on Polymarket without linking positions to a public wallet.We get into:— What becoming an L1 actually means for Starknet, and what replaces Ethereum’s settlement guarantees— Who approves the move, and when a proposal goes to governance— Why Ben-Sasson thinks the quantum threat is “much closer than we think”— Where he lands in the “bunker mode” fight between Justin Drake, Vitalik Buterin and Yehuda Lindell— Why StarkWare is demoing ML-DSA signatures when Buterin named lattices as the next risk— Shadow Accounts, OffMarket, and building privacy on a counterparty that can switch you off— Starknet’s revenue, emissions, and whether an L1 changes the economicsGuest: Eli Ben Sasson
Ledger Was Hacked — Who Do You Trust With Your Keys Now?
2026/10/15
Up to $93M drained from more than 300 wallets, and the software was never touched. Ledger confirmed a physical implant inside signers sold through reseller CryptoBilis, reading recovery phrases off the screen at setup and sending them out over a mobile network.So the question stops being what happened and becomes who you trust. The vendor? The reseller? The sealed box? The device already sitting in your drawer? Yourself?Guest: Pablo Sabbatella (@PabloSabbatella), founder of Opsek (@opsek_io)
Tokenized Stocks Get an SEC Sandbox. Who's Left Out?
2026/09/25
The SEC just gave tokenized U.S. stocks a five-year path to trade on AMMs outside exchange registration rules. The largest tokenized stock platform in the market doesn't qualify.Days after the Senate declined to move ahead on the CLARITY Act, the SEC issued an exemption order for "tokenized securities venues." It sets conditions: permissioned pools, public blockchains, and tokens that carry the full rights of the underlying share. Synthetic and linked products are outside the sandbox.Camila Russo sits down with Peter Curley of Ondo Finance, whose offshore equity-linked notes hold about $1 billion in TVL but aren't eligible; Gabriel Otte of Dinari, whose broker-dealer-issued dShares fit the order almost exactly; and Rodrigo Seira of Cooley, who explains why the order is a proof of concept built to survive a legal fight with Citadel and others.Gabe calls synthetic stock tokens "indisputably worse" for investors and says he's never heard a good argument for permissionless securities. Peter says Ondo already has product-market fit and the SEC has left room for more models. So is the order a set of red lines, or a first draft?"There is no rule book here. We're literally trying to build the future."Guests: Peter Curley (Ondo Finance) | Gabriel Otte (Dinari) | Rodrigo Seira (Cooley) Topics: tokenized stocks, SEC exemption order, tokenized securities venues, AMMs, Ondo Global Markets, Dinari dShares, synthetic stocks, equity-linked notes, permissioned DeFi, CLARITY Act, Hester Peirce, Paul Atkins, RWA
Solana's Historic Governance Vote — While Robinhood Invades Its Meme Coin Turf
2026/09/17
Solana just took the most historic step in its governance history: its first real on-chain vote, where any SOL holder — not just validators — could weigh in on the network's constitution, inflation and fees.Camila Russo sits down with Nick Almond, Head of Governance at the Jito Foundation, right as that shift collides with a new threat: Robinhood's own chain moving in on meme coins, the one corner of crypto that was always Solana's. Nick breaks down how the vote actually played out — including the disinflation proposal that was decided with eight seconds left after Kraken flipped its vote — how JitoSOL swung its entire stake pool with a 13% quorum trigger, and why he still thinks Solana's shot at attracting new apps, from tokenized stocks to meme coins, is stronger than people give it credit for.Presented by Oasis — a self-custody wallet built on a 2/3 multisig. You hold two keys, Oasis holds a recovery key, and never has unilateral access. Oasis is giving away a CryptoPunk to the first 500 new or upgraded plans through October 31: https://www.oasisvault.io/cryptopunk
Can RobinHood Chain Take This Boom? w/ ARB's Steven Goldfeder
2026/09/13
Robinhood is surging on Arbitrum's stack, and today we're joined by ARB co-founder Steven Goldfeder to break down the boom.On this stream we discuss:Does the tokenization / meme craze have legs?Spiking Robinhood feesWhere's crypto's decentralization promise when Robinhood owns the sequencer?The landlord model and the ARB rallyWho's the next Robinhood?Guest: Steven Goldfeder, Co-Founder and CEO of Offchain LabsLike, subscribe, and hit the bell so you don't miss our next streams.
The EIP That Wants to Cap ETH Staking at 50%
2026/08/11
About a third of all ETH — over 41 million coins across nearly 900,000 validators — is already locked into staking. A new Ethereum proposal, EIP-8363, wants to make sure it never crosses 50%, by tapering staking rewards down to almost nothing as that threshold approaches.The proposal landed just 48 hours before the deadline to be considered for Ethereum's next upgrade, and it immediately set off one of the most heated governance fights the ecosystem has seen in years.We brought on both sides. Jérôme de Tychey, one of the EIP's co-authors and a solo staker since Ethereum's genesis, makes the case that an unchecked staking ratio threatens the network's neutrality and security. Mike Silagadze, CEO of ether.fi, argues the fix is worse than the disease — that it would push out solo stakers, gut DeFi, and hand more power to the biggest institutional players it claims to guard against.At the center of it all: does Ethereum have a real problem with how much ETH is staked, or is this a solution in search of a crisis?Jérôme has a public bet on the table with a co-author. Mike has one of his own, worth a million dollars. Neither is backing down.Guests: Jérôme de Tychey (EIP-8363 co-author) | Mike Silagadze (CEO, ether.fi) Topics: Ethereum, EIP-8363, staking, issuance, solo stakers, DeFi, liquid staking tokens, ether.fi, Lido, Ethereum governance
The $114 Trillion Question: How DTCC Is Tokenizing the Entire U.S. Market
2026/08/03
DTCC holds $114 trillion in assets. On July 15th, it showed the world how those assets can be converted into digital tokens, traded in real production conditions, and converted back — without disrupting anything. Nadine Chakar joins The Defiant to explain the digital twin model, why they chose Besu and Canton, what the Russell 1000 SEC authorization covers, and what realistic demand will look like at October's launch. She also confronts the big philosophical question: did blockchain disrupt Wall Street, or did Wall Street absorb blockchain? The answer might surprise you.Explore The Defiant ✨📰 Websitehttps://thedefiant.io/✉️ Free Daily Newsletter https://thedefiant.io/newsletter/defi...🤑 Weekly Premium Newsletter https://thedefiant.io/newsletter/defi...✊ Follow The DefiantX/Twitter: https://x.com/DefiantNews📬 Contact our [email protected]🤝 Sponsorships & [email protected]#TheDefiant #DeFi #Decentralized #Finance #Blockchain #Web3
Memecoins Eat Everything: Robinhood's Accidental Casino & Base's Identity Crisis
2026/07/30
Brian Armstrong changed his profile picture to a memecoin. It pumped to thirty million. Ten thousand wallets piled in. Less than twenty-four hours later, he changed it back — and every one of those wallets felt it.
That one move cracked open the week's biggest debate: what should Coinbase and Base actually be for? And what does it mean that Robinhood's new L2 — launched three weeks ago, supposedly for tokenized stocks — already has five hundred million in memecoin volume versus thirteen million in RWAs?
This week on The Defiant, Camila Russo sits down with three guests who can't agree on anything — and that's exactly why this conversation works.
Austin Campbell (Zero Knowledge / NYU Stern) says Base's behavior was both an intellectual and moral failing — memecoins are gambling, and Coinbase can't build payment infrastructure while promoting gambling to young people at the same time. Jason Yanowitz (Blockworks) says the strategy is closer to right than people admit, and the real problem is execution, not direction. Michael Lee (LienFi), a Base builder since day one, says Armstrong's PFP move caused real damage — but mercenary traders have also paid twenty million dollars to creators on Base, and nobody else is stepping in to do that.
School bus. Rocket ship. Same company. That's the problem.
Guests: Austin Campbell (Zero Knowledge / NYU Stern) | Jason Yanowitz (Blockworks) | Michael Lee (LienFi) Topics: Memecoins, Coinbase, Base, Robinhood L2, content coins, Brian Armstrong, crypto regulation, everything exchange
Now or Never: Inside the Fight to Pass the CLARITY Act
2026/07/29
Fourteen days. That's the window the crypto industry has to get the CLARITY Act through the Senate — or wait until the 2030s for another shot.The combined draft dropped last week for the first time, merging the Senate Banking and Agriculture committee text into one bill. It added a law enforcement title (the Fraternal Order of Police endorsed it the same day). It added an ethics provision. And Democrats are rejecting that provision outright.This week on The Defiant, we're bringing three people living this fight from the inside: Miller Whitehouse-Levine (Solana Policy Institute), Amanda Tuminelli (DeFi Education Fund), and Adrian Wall (Digital Sovereignty Alliance). They don't all agree on how close we are — and one of them drops what might be the most explosive political take of the year: that Republicans, Democrats, financial institutions, and Coinbase may none of them actually want this bill to pass.The Polymarket odds: down from 80% in February to 37% this week. The stakes: if it fails, the next administration can undo anything the agencies do by rulemaking. Without a law, there's no floor. And innovation goes abroad.Guests: Miller Whitehouse-Levine (Solana Policy Institute) | Amanda Tuminelli (DeFi Education Fund) | Adrian Wall (Digital Sovereignty Alliance / Tron DAO US Policy) Topics: CLARITY Act, crypto regulation, SEC, CFTC, DeFi, stablecoins, blockchain policy, US Congress, ethics provision, RWAs
Saylor Selling BTC: Strategy Lifeline or Betrayal?
2026/07/07
Michael Saylor built his entire identity around one promise: he would never sell Bitcoin. Last week, that promise ended.
Strategy's board voted to authorize selling Bitcoin to cover dividend payments and build cash reserves — in the middle of MSTR and STRC crashing to record lows, the yield blowing up, and confidence in the whole experiment starting to crack.
Is this a rational pivot? Or the beginning of the end for the world's largest corporate Bitcoin treasury?
This week on The Defiant, I sat down with Scott Melker and Kaleo to get into all of it: the hollow signaling, the STRC question, whether Saylor should rip the Band-Aid and sell billions now — and what any of this actually means for Bitcoin.
Spoiler: they disagree. Strongly.
Guests: Scott Melker | Kaleo (CryptoKaleo)
Topics: Strategy, Michael Saylor, Bitcoin, MSTR, STRC, corporate Bitcoin treasury, convertible debt
Inside the Ethereum Foundation Overhaul: is a Multi-Node Structure Bullish?
2026/07/01
The Ethereum Foundation just cut 20% of its staff and 40% of its budget. Two co-executive directors are gone. And the talent exodus has been quiet but real.
But the community didn't wait. In a matter of weeks, 50 institutions and Ethereum leaders came together to form ETH Labs — a new organization backed by Sharp Link, Joe Lubin, and Bitmain, with a mandate to build what the Foundation decided it no longer wants to. Is this a rescue? A power grab? Or the most important moment in Ethereum's 11-year history?
Last week on The Defiant, I sat down with Josef Chalom (Sharp Link, the second-largest public ETH holder) and Viktor Bunin (Coinbase) to get into all of it: the funding structure, the credible neutrality question, the ETH asset vs. protocol tension, and what's actually coming in the Glastonbury upgrade — including a technical shift that could finally make Ethereum feel good to use.
Guests: Josef Chalom, CEO of Sharp Link | Viktor Bunin, Coinbase
Topics: Ethereum Foundation, ETH Labs, protocol governance, institutional adoption, Glastonbury upgrade
"Bazooka in Every Hand" Do We Really Want Unstoppable AI? w/ Jake Brukhman, Haseeb Qureshi, Jesus Rodriguez
2026/06/19
Last Friday, the U.S. Department of Commerce forced Anthropic to shut down Fable V for the entire world. One government, one decision, zero global access. Is this the definitive case for decentralized AI?
Jake Brukhman (Coin Fund), Jesus Rodriguez (Sentora), and Haseeb Qureshi (Dragonfly) debate the hottest topic at the intersection of crypto and AI: whether frontier AI can and should be decentralized — or whether we're repeating the same mistakes as decentralized storage.What you'll hear: why the government hand-picked who gets access to Mythos (and it wasn't Anthropic's call), whether consumer GPU swarms can realistically compete with data centers, what's really happening with on-chain hacks in 2026, and Haseeb's most controversial take: the world's most powerful AI should be treated like a nuclear weapon, not a public good.No easy answers. No consensus. Just the most important debate of 2026.
DeFi's Near-Death Moment | Mike Silagadze on Ether.fi, Security, and What Comes Next
2026/06/08
How close did DeFi come to a real systemic collapse?In this episode, Camila Russo sits down with Mike Silagadze, co-founder and CEO of Ether.fi, to break down the Kelp exploit, the DeFi United rescue effort, and why Mike believes the default path could have been far worse if nobody had stepped in. He explains why the bigger lesson is not just smart contract risk, but operational security, app-layer responsibility, and the need to move past "decentralization theater."They also get into why Ether.fi wants to be "the safest place to stake," why application-layer protocols should have emergency controls, and how Ether.fi is evolving from liquid staking into a vertically integrated DeFi bank with vaults, card rails, and real-world utility.If you want to understand where DeFi security is failing, what serious builders are changing, and what the next phase of crypto products could look like, this is the episode to watch.
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kfixbwhdisa 2026/02/01
10/10
One of the top podcasts in the blockchain space.
plutobotreturns 2025/11/19
Boring
Someone recommended me to listen to this podcast . In simple words - boring and waste of time .
ASobering 2022/09/09
Such a wealth of knowledge! 🧠
It’s obvious Camila puts extraordinary effort into every single episode. But what makes this show a true standout is the quality of the guests, the st...
alex x 22 2022/02/28
CRINGE Personified
This show was on a recommended list from someone who’s opinions in the space I take very seriously, so the shocking weakness of this pod was very surp...
Dutchladle 2022/02/05
Insightful & Elucidating
Camilla’s journalistic background, combined with her broad knowledge of the space, enables her to ask poignant questions that bring greater insight in...
Holler Damnation Studios 2021/12/17
Weak!
Weak questions.
iPhone 2 quality audio.
Her book was good but she struggles with question’s. For someone that wrote a book on ETH and Crypto she sho...
Laubster84 2021/10/29
Great content, horrible host
This woman / girl needs to learn how to interview people. Constant mmm and mmmhmmms and Umms. It was so bad I had to unsubscribe.
Nice jobbs 2021/08/05
Great content but weak audio quality
Love the show but would really really love to see more care and concern for the sound quality of the host.
The youtube channel is over the top qualit...
EricaBushwell 2021/06/08
Amazing podcast!
Camila, host of The Defiant podcast, highlights all aspects of entrepreneurship and more in this can’t miss podcast! The host and expert guests offer...
Natty Bro 2021/04/18
Ummmm....
I really Ummmm wanted to like this podcast Ummmm but Ummmm the host Ummmm made it difficult Ummmm. I left 2 stars Ummmm because I’m a dumb male Ummmm ...
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