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Affordable housing is the backbone of better opportunities for all. ChangeMakers with Katie Goar analyzes the issues and challenges being faced in affordable housing today. In each episode, Katie speaks with finance experts, thought leaders, and change-makers to explore innovative solutions that provide more affordable housing options across the country. Whether you want to learn more about economic development, government funding, why affordable housing makes good economic policy, and why the total community benefits from affordable housing, this is the podcast for you.
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Episode 158: Steven Johnson, Executive Director, Purple Heart Homes
2026/10/27
What happens when a soldier comes home from war and can’t get through his own front door?
November is National Veterans and Military Families Month, and this special episode of ChangeMakers, Katie Goar talks with Steven Johnson, Executive Director of Purple Heart Homes and a 27-year U.S. Army veteran. Purple Heart Homes was founded by Dale Beatty and John Gallina after their vehicle hit an anti-tank mine in Iraq in 2004. Their community built Dale an accessible home, and that experience became a national nonprofit that has completed about 1,800 projects for roughly 4,000 service-connected disabled veterans.
Steven covers the organization’s three main programs: Veterans Aging in Place, Veteran Home Ownership and the new modular home program. That includes the accessible home they built on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. in six days for a formerly homeless veteran. He also talks about veteran homelessness, why cities should allow ADUs and modular housing, and simple ways civilians can help.“We wouldn’t leave someone behind on the battlefield. Why would we do it at home?” – Dale Beatty, Co-Founder, Purple Heart Homes
Learn more or get involved: https://phhusa.org
Learn more about Katie Goar: https://quadel.comWhat You’ll Learn
How two wounded Iraq War veterans turned their own injuries into a national housing nonprofitWhy accessible housing affects veterans’ mental health, not just their physical safetyHow the Veterans Aging in Place program helps veterans stay in their homes with ramps, wider doors, roll-in showers and lowered cabinetsHow the Home Ownership program gives veterans “a hand up, not a handout”: homes at about 60% of value with a soft mortgage that’s waived after five yearsHow a modular home was built on the National Mall in six days and set on its foundation in VirginiaThe scale of the need: possibly 100,000+ veterans who could use helpHow modular homes, ADUs and zoning changes can help address veteran homelessnessWhat a city needs to have in place to partner on a “veteran village”How volunteers, churches and companies get involved through the Bugle sign-up systemSimple ways any civilian can support veterans in their communityTimestamps
00:00 – Intro: Steven Johnson and Purple Heart Homes
01:00 – Steven’s 27-year Army career and move into construction
02:50 – The founding story: Dale Beatty, John Gallina and the anti-tank mine in Iraq
04:30 – Accessibility, independence and veterans’ mental health
06:45 – “We wouldn’t leave someone behind on the battlefield”
08:00 – 1,800 projects and 4,000 veterans: the Aging in Place program
09:10 – The Veteran Home Ownership program: a hand up, not a handout
10:00 – The modular home program and building on the National Mall in 6 days
11:20 – What home ownership changes for a disabled veteran
13:00 – How big is the need?
14:15 – Serving veterans from World War II and Vietnam to today
16:00 – Volunteers, chapters and the Bugle sign-up system
18:50 – Veteran homelessness and Mr. Taylor’s story
21:50 – ADUs, zoning and why smaller homes are the future
22:30 – What a city needs to build a veteran village
24:50 – How civilians can make an impact
27:00 – Closing thoughts and how to support Purple Heart Homes
Episode 157: Christianne Brunini, Chief Growth Officer, 30|90 Marketing
2026/10/13
On this episode of ChangeMakers with Katie Goar, host Katie sits down with Christianne Brunini, Chief Growth Officer at 30|90 Marketing and founding leader of the Magnolia chapter of the Women in Affordable Housing Network.
Christianne's career path wound through PR for luxury brands, culinary school, and employee wellness before landing in affordable housing — and she explains how every stop along the way shaped her current specialty: what she calls "brand infrastructure." She breaks down how 30|90 Marketing helps AEC firms, developers, and housing authorities move beyond surface-level fixes (like "just redo our website") to build cohesive, long-term storytelling strategies.
The conversation covers the Comms Exchange podcast, why housing authorities often lack a true strategic plan, the power of consistency in personal and organizational branding, and the origin story behind the Magnolia WAHN chapter — including its annual clay shoot fundraiser and new partnership with Dress for Success.
This episode is a must-listen (or watch) for anyone in affordable housing, AEC, or community development who wants to understand why communication isn't an afterthought — it's preventative maintenance for your organization's future.
What You'll Learn
• Why "brand infrastructure" matters more than a one-off website or logo redesign
• How to help clients articulate what they actually need vs. what they think they're asking for
• Why most housing authorities don't have a true strategic plan — and what that costs them
• The role storytelling and awards play in influencing policy and funding decisions
• How consistency (not perfection) builds trust and personal brand over time
• The story behind founding a WAHN chapter and building community outside of work
• Why communications should be treated as a core line item in every development, not an afterthought
Timestamps
00:00 – Intro to Changemakers & guest introduction
01:00 – Christianne's career origin story begins
02:00 – PR life: Tiffany & Co., Sony, and luxury clients
03:00 – Culinary school, employee wellness, and meeting her husband Tony
04:00 – Path to Chief Growth Officer at 30|90 Marketing
05:00 – How 30|90 Marketing came together
06:00 – Embracing a non-linear career path
07:00 – How affordable housing "unlocked" her skill set
08:00 – What clients typically struggle with
09:00 – Digging past the initial ask to the real problem
10:00 – Case study: a build-to-rent developer's rebrand
11:00 – Defining "brand infrastructure"
12:00 – The doorknob analogy: why small decisions matter
13:00 – Helping clients articulate what they can't name
14:00 – The power of asking the right questions
15:00 – Current favorite project: Harris County Housing Authority
16:00 – Do housing authorities have strategic plans?
17:00 – Moving beyond the HUD mission statement
18:00 – Opportunity for small and mid-size agencies
19:00 – Intro to The Comms Exchange podcast
20:00 – Guest spotlight: Michael Hecton & New Orleans' Super Bowl rebrand
21:00 – Breaking the stigma around personal branding
22:00 – Consistency over perfection
23:00 – The "10,000 hours" of showing up
24:00 – Busting myths about affordable housing
25:00 – Why award submissions are storytelling tools
26:00 – Building momentum and the "ripple effect"
27:00 – The industry-wide push for better storytelling
28:00 – Origin story of the Magnolia WAHN chapter
29:00 – Building a co-chair partnership and community
30:00 – The annual clay shoot fundraiser
31:00 – Networking with financiers and developers
32:00 – New partnership with Dress for Success
33:00 – How the Dress for Success donation drive works
34:00 – Closing thoughts and book plug
35:00 – Why communications should be a line item on every project
Episode 156: Cariño Maldonado, Chief of Staff at ICON Builders & Founding President of the Arizona Chapter of the Women’s Affordable Housing
2026/09/29
Cariño Maldonado has spent 25 years in construction and over a decade in affordable housing. Today she's Chief of Staff and EOS Integrator at Icon Builders, founder and president of the Arizona chapter of the Women's Affordable Housing Network (AZ WAN), and a board member of the National Association of Women in Construction (NAWIC).
In this episode of Changemakers with Katie Goar, Cariño shares how a part-time college job turned into a 25-year career, why occupied renovations require a different kind of trust than new construction, and how Icon Builders is converting a former motel in Anaheim into transitional housing for young adults aging out of foster care. She also talks about launching AZ WAN from scratch, partnering with Sleep in Heavenly Peace to build beds for kids in need, and why exposing girls to construction careers earlier could change the industry's gender gap for good.
What You'll Learn:How Cariño's "accidental" start in construction at age 19 turned into a 25-year careerWhat a Chief of Staff actually does inside a construction companyWhy occupied renovations require a unique level of trust with residentsThe story behind Icon Builders' motel-to-housing conversion for foster-care youth in AnaheimHow the Sleep in Heavenly Peace partnership builds beds for kids in needWhat it takes to launch a new chapter of the Women's Affordable Housing Network (AZ WAN) from the ground upNAWIC's role in exposing girls and young women to construction careersWhy "tribal knowledge" retention matters as veteran industry leaders retireWhat the EOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System) framework does for a growing companyWhy prioritization — not multitasking — is Cariño's key to balancing multiple leadership rolesTimestamps
00:00 Intro to Changemakers & guest introduction
00:01 Meeting at the Women's Affordable Housing Network summit in San Diego
00:02 Cariño's start in construction at 19, working around college
00:03 Joining Icon Builders in 2013
00:04 Humble beginnings and why affordable housing feels personal
00:05 What a Chief of Staff does day-to-day
00:06 Icon Builders' footprint: Arizona HQ, projects in CA & TX
00:07 Favorite part of the job: occupied renovations & trust
00:08 Partnering with Sleep in Heavenly Peace to build beds
00:09 The industry's shared mission: safe homes for everyone
00:10 Being a "connector" in the industry
00:11 Current project: motel conversion in Anaheim, CA
00:12 Transitional housing for youth aging out of foster care
00:13 Launching the Arizona chapter of Women's Affordable Housing Network
00:14 Connecting local housing authorities, lenders, and contractors
00:15 Bridging the "tribal knowledge" gap across disciplines
00:16 Giving back: bed builds and backpack drives
00:17 Women empowerment within the WAN community
00:18 "Even if we're teachers, we're still students"
00:19 Why WAN connects the entire housing ecosystem, not just one niche
00:20 AZ WAN's growth to 450+ members
00:21 Serving on the NAWIC board of directors
00:22 NAWIC's 40+ year history and exposing kids to construction early
00:23 Bringing her own son into the construction industry
00:24 Why women remain a minority in construction
00:25 Breaking the glass ceiling and career growth
00:26 Reflecting on job opportunities in the industry
00:27 Her role as EOS Integrator at Icon Builders
00:28 Balancing multiple roles — reading Essentialism
00:29 Prioritization over multitasking, retaining company culture
00:30 Closing thoughts & outro
Episode 155: Mike Gerber, CEO, Austin Housing Authority
2026/09/15
Austin has become one of the country’s fastest-growing cities, creating new opportunities and intense pressure on housing affordability.
In this episode of ChangeMakers with Katie Goar, Katie speaks with Mike Gerber, CEO of the Austin Housing Authority, about the difficult work of expanding affordable housing while protecting residents, preserving community history, and rebuilding public trust.
Mike explains why affordable housing projects have become so complex, how Austin transformed historic developments such as Chalmers Courts and Rosewood Courts, and why residents must have a meaningful voice in redevelopment decisions. He also shares the Austin Housing Authority’s approach to relocation, including its commitment to protections, improvements, and resident choice.
The conversation explores Austin’s history of segregation, the possibility of another rent spike in 2027, digital inclusion, community partnerships, zoning reform, and the collective advocacy work happening through NAHRO.
Mike also explains why housing authorities must provide more than a physical home. Access to healthcare, transportation, education, technology, and employment support can determine whether residents truly have an opportunity to thrive.
Mike’s career has included work on Capitol Hill, leadership at HUD and the Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs, and more than a decade leading the Austin Housing Authority.
Learn more about Katie Goar and Quadel at Quadel.com.
Key Takeaways
Affordable housing projects often require complicated funding structures and years of planning.Inconsistent regulations increase risk and make housing development more difficult.Austin’s rapid population growth has placed significant pressure on housing affordability.A slowdown in new construction could contribute to another rent increase in 2027.Successful redevelopment depends on earning trust from residents and surrounding communities.Residents need clear protections during relocation and redevelopment.Chalmers Courts grew from roughly 158 units to nearly 400 homes.Rosewood Courts combines historic preservation, affordable rental housing, homeownership, and community services.Digital access has become essential for education, healthcare, employment, and daily life.Partnerships allow housing authorities to provide services they couldn’t deliver alone.Industry associations help housing leaders share lessons and avoid expensive mistakes.Stable housing works best when residents also have access to healthcare, transportation, education, and employment support.Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:50 Mike Gerber’s path into affordable housing
04:34 What people misunderstand about affordable housing
06:57 Austin’s growth and affordability pressures
08:27 Austin’s history of housing segregation
10:19 Why Austin rents could rise again in 2027
11:24 Transforming Austin’s historic public housing
14:43 Rebuilding Chalmers Courts
16:51 Preserving the history of Rosewood Courts
18:36 Creating affordable homeownership opportunities
20:35 Building trust with the community
22:31 Explaining RAD to residents
24:04 Giving residents a voice in redevelopment
25:22 Protecting residents during relocation
28:39 Why gardens and community spaces matter
30:10 Housing work requires humanity
31:52 Austin’s digital inclusion program
35:29 What the pandemic revealed about digital access
37:23 How housing authorities can begin digital literacy programs
41:10 Why housing leaders must tell their stories
42:56 Housing Works Austin and local policy
43:53 Zoning reform and removing development barriers
45:28 Tracking affordable housing across Austin
47:10 Austin’s investment in housing
49:19 The value of NAHRO
51:09 Why housing leaders must work together
55:35 State and regional housing collaboration
57:57 Learning from other housing authorities
58:59 Partnerships that make housing programs possible
1:00:45 Final thoughts
Episode 154: Crystal Wojciechowski, Executive Director, PHADA
2026/09/01
America’s housing authorities face growing demand, limited funding, complex regulations, and years-long waiting lists. How can affordable housing leaders continue serving their communities while navigating those pressures?
In this episode of ChangeMakers with Katie Goar, Katie speaks with Crystal Wojciechowski, executive director of the Public Housing Authorities Directors Association, commonly known as PHADA.Crystal shares how a temporary position at the King County Housing Authority introduced her to the real-world impact of affordable housing. She explains how watching families receive safe and stable homes inspired a career that has now spanned more than 20 years.
Katie and Crystal discuss the changing affordable housing workforce, including the growing number of leaders entering housing from outside the industry. Crystal explains why new perspectives can strengthen housing authorities when paired with experienced professionals who understand regulations, inspections, recertifications, and resident services.
The conversation also explores PHADA’s Executive Director Education Program, its partnership with Rutgers University, and the importance of building a trusted network of housing professionals who can help one another solve difficult problems.Crystal explains how PHADA works with Congress and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to translate federal policy into practical solutions. She also shares why housing authorities must tell their stories, build relationships with elected officials, and position themselves as the leading affordable housing experts in their communities.
This conversation offers practical guidance for housing authority executive directors, commissioners, policymakers, developers, and anyone working to improve affordable housing across the United States.
Learn more about PHADA at PHADA.org.Learn more about Katie Goar and Quadel at Quadel.com.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
01:12 Crystal’s unexpected start in affordable housing
02:35 Seeing the human impact of housing assistance
05:02 How the affordable housing workforce is changing
07:05 Bringing outside perspectives into housing leadership
08:46 PHADA’s Executive Director Education Program
10:00 Building a trusted network of housing experts
13:35 PHADA’s policy and advocacy work
15:29 Turning federal regulations into practical solutions
16:50 Why housing authorities must tell their stories
18:22 Translating complex federal rules for local agencies
21:13 How PHADA learns from housing authority members
22:45 When regulations create more work
25:20 Three ways housing leaders can begin advocating
27:39 Building long-term relationships with elected officials
30:02 Why housing commissioners need specialized training
32:03 The difference between governance and operations
35:50 Supporting women in affordable housing leadership
38:27 Finding new ways to fund affordable housing
40:27 Building stronger industry coalitions
41:39 The case for Moving to Work flexibility
44:09 Maximum funding and maximum flexibility
45:41 How to connect with PHADA
47:51 Final thoughts
The Audacity to Lead: A Conversation with Katie Goar
2026/08/18
Katie Goar knows affordable housing from every angle.Today, she is the president of Quadel and one of the leading voices in America’s affordable housing sector. But long before she became a housing CEO, Katie experienced homelessness herself. As a child, she lived in a tent with her family, carried the shame of that experience for years, and later transformed that pain into purpose.
Katie joins Joe Pardavila to discuss her new book, The Audacity, and the personal story behind her work in housing, leadership, and community impact. She opens up about the moment her younger brother drew a tent when asked to draw his home, why homelessness is a condition rather than an identity, and how stable housing can change the trajectory of an entire family.
Katie also explains why “bootstrapping” can only take people so far, how NIMBYism holds communities back, why local solutions matter, and how leaders can build a “yes plan” when the default answer around them is no.This conversation is about housing, but it’s also about shame, survival, leadership, and the power of turning your story into a tool for helping others.
What You’ll LearnHow Katie Goar went from housing insecurity to becoming president of QuadelWhy homelessness should be seen as a condition, rather than a permanent identityHow childhood instability can shape leadership, risk, and resilienceWhy “bootstrapping” alone can’t solve homelessness or housing insecurityHow affordable housing impacts education, health, employment, and local economiesWhy NIMBYism often blocks the exact workers communities depend onWhat Katie means by “strategic generosity”How a “yes plan” can help people move from fear to actionWhy leaders need a hype squad, a win journal, and the audacity to start before they feel readyWatch Katies Ted Talk: https://youtu.be/UMIn8_rA5iU?si=FvUg8WDWICYl8Wys
Order Audacity: https://www.amazon.com/Audacity-Go-Wannabe-Leader-Others-ebook/dp/B0GZPV5N3C/
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:28 Why Katie Goar decided to tell her story
02:00 Becoming a public voice in affordable housing
03:28 Breaking stereotypes about homelessness
06:06 Why bootstrapping can only go so far
08:16 The moment Katie’s brother drew a tent as his house
10:30 Anger, resentment, and growing up in survival mode
13:38 The “necklace of shame”
15:40 How childhood instability leaves fingerprints later in life
18:15 Homelessness as a condition, not an identity
19:32 Becoming an audacious problem-solver
21:00 From living in a tent to leading Quadel
24:26 Saying yes before you feel ready
25:45 Why people “fall into” affordable housing
27:49 Women leaders in the housing industry
30:00 Strategic generosity and solving housing locally
33:00 Federal funding, local action, and housing complexity
35:18 NIMBYism and the real cost of saying no
39:38 Affordable housing as workforce policy
40:35 Why Katie believes in a “yes plan”
42:02 Quadel’s mission and employee homeownership support
43:27 Wannabe leaders vs. leaders others want to follow
45:10 Why every leader needs a hype squad
46:45 First rodeo, second rodeo, third rodeo
48:36 Why Katie recommends starting a win journal
56:31 The sliding door moment that changed Katie’s family
58:10 Closing
Episode 153: Sean Gilbert, Executive Director of Tennessee Valley Housing Services & President of NAHRO
2026/08/04
Sean Gilbert, executive director of Tennessee Valley Housing Services and president of the National Association of Housing and Redevelopment Officials, joins Katie Goar to explain why affordable housing is essential to economic development, workforce growth, and thriving communities.
Sean shares how growing up in southern West Virginia shaped his belief that a house becomes a home through community. He discusses his journey into public service, the affordable housing shortage affecting employers across Tennessee and the country, and the work underway to renovate aging housing, build workforce housing, and expand services for residents.
The conversation also explores Sean’s national priorities as president of NAHRO, including stronger storytelling, professional development, collaboration between housing authorities, and bringing a new generation of leaders into the affordable housing industry.
Sean explains why housing authorities must move beyond traditional boundaries, pursue creative financing, build stronger partnerships, and show the public how housing investments improve education, employment, local business, and quality of life.
You’ll also hear how Tennessee Valley Housing Services partnered with Dolly Parton’s Imagination Library, why childhood literacy can shape a community’s future, and how one conversation with a skeptical business owner changed Sean’s approach to affordable housing advocacy.
Timestamps
00:00 Introducing Sean Gilbert
00:56 Growing Up in Appalachia
02:44 Finding a Career in Public Service
04:40 Family, Community and Education
06:47 Leading Tennessee Valley Housing Services
08:21 Renovating Aging Affordable Housing
10:59 The Demand for Workforce Housing
13:17 Housing Is Economic Development
15:30 Partnering With Dolly Parton’s Imagination Library
18:08 Why Childhood Literacy Matters
21:34 Changing the Story of Affordable Housing
22:15 Turning a Housing Critic Into a Supporter
25:47 Taking Residents’ Stories to Washington
28:33 Sean’s Priorities as NAHRO President
32:05 Improving the NAHRO Member Experience
34:05 Training the Next Generation of Housing Leaders
35:12 What to Expect From NAHRO’s Denver Conference
38:38 The Value of Conference Relationships
40:19 Why Housing Authorities Must Think Bigger
41:46 A Career That Changes Communities
Episode 152: Laura Foote, Founder and Executive Director, YIMBY Action
2026/07/21
Why is housing so expensive, and why does it take years to build new homes in communities that desperately need them?
In this episode of ChangeMakers, Katie Goar speaks with Laura Foote, founder and executive director of YIMBY Action, about America’s housing shortage and the political choices that continue to limit housing production.
Laura explains how restrictive zoning, lengthy permitting processes, local opposition, fees, and political pressure make it harder and more expensive to build. She also shares how the YIMBY movement is organizing residents to support new housing, influence local officials, advocate for policy changes, and hold cities accountable.
The conversation explores how housing shortages affect teachers, nurses, small businesses, older adults, young families, and anyone who can’t afford to live near their job or community.
Laura also discusses the growing bipartisan support for housing reform, the expansion of YIMBY Action’s 87 local chapters, and the organization’s work to unblock tens of thousands of new homes across the country.
You’ll learn:
• Why America is millions of homes behind
• How zoning and permitting increase housing costs
• Why local opposition carries so much political power
• How housing shortages hurt businesses and essential workers
• Why housing reform has support across the political spectrum
• How ordinary residents can influence housing decisions
• What YIMBY Action means by “units unblocked”
Learn more about YIMBY Action and how you can get involved in supporting housing production in your community.
ChangeMakers with Katie Goar explores the people, policies, and ideas shaping the future of affordable housing.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:41 Laura Foote’s personal housing story
02:09 Why high housing costs feel like personal failure
02:28 How the YIMBY movement began
04:34 Why new housing is so difficult to build
06:52 The community-wide effects of housing shortages
07:46 How residents can change the political math
08:33 Addressing common objections to new housing
10:49 How communities move from NIMBY to YIMBY
12:59 Why older adults and employers are joining the fight
14:00 Yes in God’s Backyard and other policy reforms
16:11 Why the housing shortage affects everyone
17:01 America’s self-imposed housing crisis
18:21 Bipartisan momentum for housing reform
21:20 Inside YIMBY Action’s 87 local chapters
22:31 When YIMBY Action takes cities to court
24:15 How YIMBY Action measures its impact
25:00 What “units unblocked” means
26:21 Why YIMBY Action focuses on new construction
27:00 Turning housing expertise into political action
Episode 151: Sarah Buchanan, Executive Vice President, San Diego Housing Federation
2026/07/07
In this episode of ChangeMakers with Katie Goar, Katie sits down with Sarah Buchanan, Executive Vice President of the San Diego Housing Federation, to talk about the real challenges facing affordable housing in one of the country’s most expensive regions.
Sarah shares how she entered the housing field, what makes San Diego’s housing market so difficult, and why residents now need to earn around $50 an hour to afford a two-bedroom apartment. She also explains the difference between naturally occurring affordable housing and tax-credit affordable housing, the need for roughly 100,000 more units in San Diego, and the role coalition-building plays in creating real change.
The conversation also explores homelessness, healthcare, hunger, childcare, workforce development, lived experience advocacy, and why self-care matters for people doing mission-driven housing work.
If you care about affordable housing, homelessness prevention, community development, or the future of thriving cities, this conversation offers a grounded look at what it takes to move from crisis to solutions.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to ChangeMakers
00:13 Meet Sarah Buchanan
00:50 Connecting Through the Women’s Affordable Housing Network
02:32 Compassion Fatigue and Self-Care in Housing Work
03:06 Sarah’s Path Into Affordable Housing
05:04 The Reality of San Diego’s Housing Market
05:56 Why Residents Need $50 an Hour for a Two-Bedroom Apartment
06:22 San Diego’s 100,000-Unit Housing Gap
07:31 What the San Diego Housing Federation Does
08:29 Training the Affordable Housing Workforce
10:35 Building Coalitions Around Basic Needs
11:06 Housing, Homelessness, Hunger, Healthcare, and Childcare
12:20 Centering Lived Experience in Advocacy
13:05 Signs of Progress in San Diego
14:40 What People Misunderstand About Affordable Housing
16:44 Why Affordable Housing Projects Are So Complex
18:18 Sarah’s Leadership Approach
19:58 The Big Idea: A One-Stop Housing Database
21:43 How Technology Could Improve Housing Access
22:51 What Drives People in Affordable Housing
24:26 Self-Care, Boundaries, and Compassion Fatigue
26:19 Closing Thoughts
Episode 150: Marie Cervay Hickle, HTC & NMTC Relationship Manager , PNC
2026/06/23
Historic buildings can become a powerful part of a community’s future.
In this episode of ChangeMakers with Katie Goar, Katie sits down with Marie Cervay Hickle, Vice President at PNC, to explain how historic tax credits and new markets tax credits help bring aging buildings back to life.
Marie has more than 15 years of experience in community development finance. She has helped originate and close more than $450 million in tax credit equity across the country.
The conversation explores how developers can turn vacant mills, overlooked landmarks, former schools, and other underused properties into housing and community spaces. Marie breaks down how historic tax credits work, why experienced financing partners matter, and how new markets tax credits can support projects that bring healthcare, education, jobs, and social services into low-income communities.
Katie and Marie also discuss the renovation of Cleveland’s West Side Market and a 125-year-old South Carolina denim mill that became a 205-unit apartment community with lofts, a fitness center, coworking space, and modern amenities.
You’ll learn:
• How historic tax credits help fill gaps in a development capital stack
• Which buildings can qualify for historic tax credits
• How new markets tax credits support community development
• Why adaptive reuse can strengthen neighborhoods
• How banks evaluate community development projects
• Why redevelopment can create challenges around gentrification
• How developers can begin the tax credit process
Learn more about Katie Goar and Quadel at quadel.com.
Chapters
00:00 How historic buildings can shape the future of communities
01:14 Meet Marie Cervay Hickle of PNC
01:44 Marie’s path from engineering to community development finance
03:52 The Cleveland hotel renovation that shaped Marie’s career
05:00 Why new markets tax credits matter for low-income communities
06:31 Historic tax credits explained
09:53 Do historic tax credits make renovations more attractive?
12:40 Restoring Cleveland’s West Side Market
15:31 How developers can begin the historic tax credit process
19:54 New markets tax credits explained
22:30 Which projects can qualify for new markets tax credits?
24:29 How PNC evaluates community development investments
27:05 Can redevelopment transform an entire neighborhood?
28:38 The difficult balance between revitalization and gentrification
30:55 PNC’s priority markets for community investment
32:15 How a 125-year-old denim mill became 205 apartments
34:15 Final thoughts
Episode 149: Whitney Hill, CEO & Co-Founder, SnapADU
2026/06/09
California’s housing crisis has pushed families, investors, and homeowners to rethink what housing can look like.
In this episode of ChangeMakers, Katie Goar sits down with Whitney Hill, co-founder and CEO of SnapADU, to explore how accessory dwelling units, better known as ADUs, are changing the housing landscape across San Diego and beyond.
Whitney shares how SnapADU launched during the 2020 shutdown, why California’s regulatory changes created a massive opportunity, and how her company has now completed more than 100 detached ADU builds.
The conversation covers:
• The real drivers behind ADU demand
• Why families are embracing multi-generational living
• How homeowners are using ADUs for wealth building
• The biggest bottlenecks slowing housing development
• Why permitting and utility regulations remain a challenge
• The future of affordable housing in California
• What most people misunderstand about ADUs
Whitney also explains why the most successful ADU projects focus on quality of life, thoughtful design, and long-term planning instead of simply maximizing density.
If you’re interested in affordable housing, real estate investing, urban development, entrepreneurship, or the future of housing policy, this episode delivers practical insight into one of the fastest-growing housing trends in America.
Subscribe for more conversations with leaders creating real-world solutions in housing, healthcare, business, and community development.
Topics Covered / What You’ll Learn
What an ADU actually isWhy California changed ADU lawsHow Snap ADU grew during COVIDThe economics behind ADU investingWhy multi-generational housing is growingThe biggest construction and permitting bottlenecksHow homeowners use ADUs to offset mortgage costsThe future of housing density in CaliforniaWhy San Diego became a hotspot for ADUsHow thoughtful housing design improves quality of lifeThe hidden complexity behind “simple” ADU buildsHow Whitney Hill built a niche construction company
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:12 Meet Whitney Hill of Snap ADU
01:00 How California’s ADU law changes created opportunity
02:40 The story behind the name Snap ADU
03:30 Why San Diego became an ADU hotspot
05:10 Who is building ADUs today?
06:30 Community concerns around density and parking
08:25 Housing demand and city capacity
09:45 Why California has embraced ADUs
11:00 ADUs as a wealth-building tool
12:15 Multi-generational living success stories
14:20 The realities of running an ADU construction company
16:20 The biggest bottlenecks slowing housing growth
17:45 ADU design trends and creative layouts
19:15 Whitney Hill on leadership and entrepreneurship
21:00 Yale, NYU, and finding her professional niche
22:40 Snap ADU’s future growth strategy
24:30 Can ADUs help affordable housing?
26:20 Closing thoughts
Episode 148: Jason Blain, Senior Commercial Banker, Independent Bank
2026/05/26
Affordable housing is one of the biggest challenges facing communities today. But how does it actually get funded?
In this episode of ChangeMakers, Katie Goar sits down with Jason Blain, Senior Commercial Banker at Independent Bank*, to break down how banks, developers, and public programs work together to create affordable housing.
Jason shares a behind-the-scenes look at the real financial tools driving housing development, including tax credits, rate buydowns, and community partnerships. He also explains why homeownership still plays a critical role in building long-term wealth and stability.
This conversation goes beyond theory. You’ll hear how affordable housing projects come together, what slows them down, and what needs to change to scale solutions.
*Independent Bank is a Member FDIC and Equal Housing Lender.
The information provided here is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, legal, or investment advice. It should not be relied upon as a substitute for consultation with qualified financial or legal professionals. Banking products, terms, rates, and regulations may vary and are subject to change. Please consult your financial institution or a licensed advisor before making any financial decisions.
🎯 What You’ll Learn:
How banks fund affordable housing projectsThe role of low-income housing tax creditsWhy affordable housing takes years to developHow rate buydown programs reduce costsThe difference between rental housing and homeownershipWhy small housing projects still create life-changing impactWhat needs to change to increase housing supply
⏱️ TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Intro: The affordable housing challenge
01:10 – Jason Blain’s background and early influence
03:14 – What a regional bank actually does
06:24 – When banks enter housing projects
08:25 – Federal Home Loan Bank explained
10:22 – Rate buydown programs (in simple terms)
13:53 – Why tax credits matter
17:47 – Policy changes that could unlock more housing
19:15 – The Ability Way project (real-world impact)
23:28 – Why some housing projects feel “risky”
25:41 – Homeownership vs rental housing
29:47 – Recognition and community impact
35:51 – Why small housing projects matter
Episode 147: Shaina Fite, Public Housing Authority Manager, Yardi
2026/05/12
What happens when housing authorities stop pushing paper and start moving people into homes faster?
In this episode of ChangeMakers with Katie Goar, Shaina Fite, Public Housing Manager at Yardi, breaks down how outdated systems are slowing down affordable housing and how technology is starting to change that. Shaina shares her journey from growing up in public housing to helping distribute over $200 million in rental assistance, offering a perspective shaped by both lived experience and industry expertise.
The conversation explores why paper-based systems create delays and risk, how automation speeds up housing placement, and what artificial intelligence will change in the next 12 to 24 months. You will also hear how transparency improves trust for residents and agencies, and why the demand for affordable housing continues to rise.
This episode moves beyond policy and gets into the real systems behind housing access and what needs to change to serve people faster and more effectively.
⏱️ Chapters / Timestamps 00:00 Intro
00:13 Meet Shaina Fite
01:25 How she got into affordable housing
03:31 Growing up in public housing
06:01 How lived experience shapes leadership
10:49 What Yardi does and why it matters
12:29 Why paper systems slow everything down
14:49 How automation speeds up housing
16:36 Transparency for residents and agencies
19:13 Real-time data and decision making
19:57 The role of AI in housing
22:45 How AI frees up human work
24:30 Why agencies resist technology
26:10 The “bootcamp” of software implementation
27:39 Getting teams to adopt new systems
30:22 Why “we’ve always done it this way” is dangerous
32:28 The real cost of outdated systems
34:00 What Yardi does better
36:17 The future of AI in housing
37:41 Will AI replace jobs?
39:31 The growing need for affordable housing
42:18 Final thoughts
Episode 146: Jared Jones Co-Founder, Middle Housing Partners
2026/04/28
America doesn’t have a housing construction problem. It has a rules problem.
In this episode of ChangeMakers with Katie Goar, Jared Jones, co-founder of Middle Housing Partners, breaks down how microfill housing, ADUs, duplexes, and small multi-unit developments are reshaping affordability.
Jared explains why millions of homes are missing from the market, how outdated zoning laws slowed growth for decades, and how new legislation is opening the door for everyday developers to build again.
You’ll hear why nurses, teachers, and working families are priced out of their own communities, and how small-scale housing projects are bringing them back.
If you care about housing, policy, or the future of your community, this conversation lays out a clear path forward.
00:00 Intro
00:13 Meet Jared Jones and Middle Housing Partners
01:10 From mortgage industry to housing developer
02:32 What is microfill housing?
03:51 How new laws changed development
06:36 Why zoning reform matters
09:30 How neighborhoods react to new housing
12:25 The real scale of the housing shortage
14:18 Why building takes too long
16:12 Why Wall Street dominates housing
18:40 SB9 and new housing laws explained
21:44 Why current solutions aren’t enough
23:07 The “starter home” solution
25:40 Workforce housing crisis explained
26:38 Why nurses can’t afford homes
31:02 Real community impact of housing shortages
34:50 The Middle Housing Revolution book
37:10 Fixing the broken system
41:21 What’s next: scaling the solution
Episode 145: Beth Silverman, Co-Founder & Executive Director, Lotus Campaign
2026/04/14
Most solutions to homelessness focus on policy. Beth Silverman is taking a different approach.
On this episode of ChangeMakers, Katie Goar sits down with Beth Silverman, co-founder and executive director of the Lotus Campaign, to break down how private sector partnerships are creating real housing solutions.
Beth explains how her model connects landlords, developers, and social services to reduce risk, remove barriers, and create access to housing for people experiencing or at risk of homelessness.
You’ll hear why homelessness is often misunderstood, how small financial gaps keep people out of housing, and what it takes to build a system that actually works at scale.
If you care about affordable housing, real estate, or social impact, this conversation gives you a clear look at what works.
⏱️ CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction to Beth Silverman
00:45 How Lotus Campaign started
03:00 The real problem behind homelessness
05:20 Why the private sector is missing from the solution
08:00 The Lotus model explained
11:30 Breaking myths about homelessness
15:00 How to get landlords to say yes
18:30 Risk, incentives, and real estate alignment
22:00 Tools that help people access housing
26:00 Real success stories (Mario’s journey)
30:00 Scaling the model across cities
34:00 Final thoughts on solving homelessness
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