For Heaven's Sake

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4.7
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227 episodes
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2020/07/05
Latest episode
2026/04/22
Average duration
43 min.
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7 days

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For Heaven’s Sake is a weekly podcast presented by Ark Media and the Shalom Hartman Institute, hosted by Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi. The podcast draws its name from the Jewish concept of machloket l’shem shemayim, “disagreeing for the sake of heaven,” which is exactly what takes place each week as Donniel and Yossi discuss the moral aspects of topics affecting Israel, world Jewry, and the future of Zionism.

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Hopes for Israel's 78th Birthday
2026/04/22
What do you wish for a country you love that is still learning to love itself?  In this episode, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi mark Israel's 78th Independence Day with a meditation on eulogies, blessings, and the distance between the two. They dissect the growing divide in world Jewry over Israel's future and the stranglehold of an "October 7 consciousness" on Israeli political imagination. Between the grief of Memorial Day and the joy of Independence Day, they articulate their wishes for a society desperate to heal, demanding a return to hope and the courage to envision a thriving Jewish future.  Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more.  Here’s more from the Shalom Hartman Institute this week:   Register to join Yossi Klein Halevi in Vancouver, Detroit, and Palo Alto and Yehuda Kurtzer in Toronto! 
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Israel’s 10 Days of Awe: From Holocaust Memorial Day to Independence Day
2026/04/15
How do we observe national days of mourning when the nightmares of the past feel like the realities of the present?   In this episode, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi dissect Israel’s "10 Days of Awe," the intense period between Holocaust Memorial Day and Israel’s Independence Day, and how this year it demands a spiritual and moral readjustment for Jews everywhere. They consider the impact of October 7 on Jewish consciousness, confront the resurgence of modern blood libels, and contemplate the tension between mourning powerlessness and responsibly celebrating sovereignty. This episode is sponsored by the IDF Widows and Orphans Organization. Learn more and support their work at idfwo.org. Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more. 
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The Battle Over the Word Zionism
2026/04/07
When a word carries history, burden, and identity all at once, can the Jewish people afford to let it go?  In this episode, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi dissect the internal Jewish debate over the term Zionism, examining its classical promises of empowerment, the push to abandon it in the face of progressive critique, and why the term means something different in Israel and the Diaspora. Ultimately, they ask what it would take for Zionism to become not only defensible but inspiring again for world Jewry.  Read Nadine Epstein's article cited in the show, “The Word Zionism Is Dead” here.  Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more. 
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Passover Under the Shadow of War: The Challenge of Hope
2026/04/01
How do you celebrate the holiday of liberation when the reality of war, grief, and political division feels heavier than ever?  In this episode, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi confront the growing exhaustion in Israel with the conflicts in Iran and Lebanon, the profound grief interrupting daily life, and the internal fractures exposed by new government legislation. As they navigate these challenges, they reflect on what liberation means today, and grapple with the moral and spiritual questions of how to hold onto hope when the Jewish state is tested from both within and without.   Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more.  Here’s more from the Shalom Hartman Institute this week:  Read the newest issue of Sources and subscribe to the print edition. 
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The War in Iran: The End?
2026/03/25
Is Israel destined to have its wars stopped by its closest ally just before the finish line?  In this episode, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi examine the rumors of a potential negotiation to end the current conflict with Iran and ask whether this moment reflects a recurring pattern in the U.S.-Israel relationship. They explore America’s role in pressing for de-escalation at pivotal moments in Israeli military campaigns and what that pressure means for Israel’s long-term security.  Watch the video version of our podcast on our YouTube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more.  Register for our summer programs for lay leaders, rabbis, and educators! Watch Masua Sagiv on Get Your Phil exploring the bonds between Israel and American Jewry.
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The Impact of the Iran War on Israel and the Jewish People
2026/03/18
What is the hidden cost of Israeli resilience?  In this episode, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi move beyond strategic analysis to examine how the war is reshaping daily life in Israel, why the polls haven't budged despite a popular and militarily successful war, and what the Lebanon ground operation reveals about Israel's most stubborn patterns. They also confront the growing divide in American Jewry over Israel's place in Jewish identity — a rift that goes far deeper than policy disagreement.  You can watch the remarks by Israel's Consul General to the Midwest Elad Stromhayer to Temple Israel in West Bloomfield, Michigan here. Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more.  Here’s more from the Shalom Hartman Institute this week:  Register for our summer programs for lay leaders, rabbis, and educators!  Secure your spot at the Florida Leadership Conference this Sunday! 
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Israel: Winning the Iran War, Losing the American Jews?
2026/03/12
Please take 5 minutes to fill out For Heaven's Sake’s LISTENER SURVEY ____ If this war with Iran is self-evident to Israelis, why does it feel so different to North American Jews?  Starting with that blunt question, in this special live episode of For Heaven’s Sake, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi assess endgames, regime change, public legitimacy, and the possibility that military success could come with growing political isolation -- the deep fear that Israel could win this war with Iran and still lose something essential in its relationship with North American Jewry. Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more.  Learn more about our Giving Society and Wellspring Family Circle.
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The Case for War
2026/03/05
Please take 5 minutes to fill out For Heaven's Sake’s LISTENER SURVEY ____ Why do 93% of Israelis support a war that much of the West condemns as a violation of international law?  In this special episode, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi dissect the profound disconnect between Israeli moral instincts and Western liberal sensibilities. They analyze the "unconscious pacifism" of the West, the reality of a 45-year ongoing conflict with the Iranian regime, and the challenge of separating leadership motives from national survival.  Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more.  Here’s more from the Shalom Hartman Institute this week:  Watch Donniel Hartman and Abby Pogrebin’s conversation on the war with Iran.  Apply or refer a teen you know to the Hartman Teen Fellowship.  Register for our virtual day of learning,In the Face of Cruelty: Jewish Responsibilities to Neighbors and Strangers on March 12.  Join Donniel for the Florida Leadership Conference, a meaningful day of learning and conversation to process the fear and confusion of this moment and think together about what lies ahead for Israel and the Middle East.
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Thoughts from the Shelter
2026/03/01
Please take 5 minutes to fill out For Heaven's Sake’s LISTENER SURVEY ____ Why does this experience of war with Iran feel entirely new and eerily familiar in the arc of Israeli life? In this emergency episode of For Heaven’s Sake, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi reflect on the strange, exhausting routines of life spent rushing in and out of shelters and the realization that these rituals have become a recurring feature of Israeli life.  Together, they explore what this moment reveals about Israeli vulnerability and resilience: the way decades of conflict have blurred the boundary between home front and front line, the existential anxiety stirred by Iran’s ideology, and the moral and spiritual questions that surface when war unfolds during the week of Purim. Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more.  
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Waiting
2026/02/25
Please take 5 minutes to fill out For Heaven's Sake’s LISTENER SURVEY ____ How do you go about daily life — bar mitzvahs, trips, work — when every two hours the news cycle shifts, every Israeli with a cousin in the Air Force has a take, and even seasoned analysts can't say what comes next?  In this episode, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi take us inside the strange collective experience of Israeli life: suspended in waiting, saturated with rumors, and bracing for a military confrontation that could reshape the entire Middle East — before anything has happened yet. Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more.  Here’s more from the Shalom Hartman Institute this week:  Register for this summer’s Community Leadership Program or Rabbinic Torah Seminar.  Educators, apply now to the Wellspring Summit for Educators!  
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Israel's Sovereignty Crisis
2026/02/18
Can a country survive when tribal loyalty overwhelms collective responsibility?  This week on For Heaven's Sake, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi examine something unprecedented: while Israel defends its borders from external threats, it's losing the ability to govern within them. From ultra-Orthodox attacks on IDF soldiers to epidemic crime within and against Arab communities to ministers contradicting national policy—Israel faces a sovereignty crisis from within.  - 01:35: Not Iran — Israel’s Internal Sovereignty Collapse - 04:15: Bnei Brak: When the IDF Can’t Enter an Israeli City - 06:00: Murder, Mayhem, and Government Retreat - 08:20: The Draft Revolt Goes Mainstream - 16:00: Governing vs. Surviving: The Coalition Choice - 22:00: From “Who’s Sovereign?” to Sovereignty Lost - 27:30: Tribes, Territory, and the Fracturing State Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more.  Here’s more from the Shalom Hartman Institute this week:  Listen to “America Betrays the Stranger” on Identity/Crisis.  
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The Hidden Challenges of Antisemitism
2026/02/11
Antisemitism is everywhere in Jewish conversation. But what are we missing?  Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi zoom out to examine the assault on the Jewish story, the cost-benefit calculus of Jews around their identity, and the abuse of antisemitism discourse within Israel. An exploration of what antisemitism is doing to us—beyond the fear.  02:00 – A New Era of Antisemitism? Old Threat or New Reality 06:00 – Anti-Zionism and the Assault on the Jewish Story 13:00 – Jewish Identity as Choice: Will Antisemitism Push Jews Away? 19:00 – Defiance or Drift? Lessons from Soviet Jewry 22:30 – Are We Letting Antisemitism Define Jewish Identity? 26:00 – The Internal Danger: “Weaponizing” Antisemitism in Israel 34:00 – What Does Persistent Hatred Say About the Jewish People?   Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more.    Here’s more from the Shalom Hartman Institute this week:  Register for this summer’s Community Leadership Program or Rabbinic Torah Seminar.  Educators, apply now to the Wellspring Summit for Educators! 
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Election Currents
2026/02/04
Israel is headed toward elections again, but can either side form a stable government?  In this episode, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi take a step back to examine the current political climate: the politics of exclusion, the historic unification of Arab parties around domestic issues, and the stalemate that could leave Israel stuck in another cycle of deadlocked elections. They offer a clear-eyed look at where Israeli politics stands—and where it might be headed.  00:00 - Elections in the Shadow of War 05:00 - The New Fault Line: Ultra-Orthodox vs. Arab Parties 14:30 - Arab Politics Recentered on Personal Security 18:45 - A Jewish–Arab Civic Moment in Tel Aviv 26:30 - Israel’s Returning Political Stalemate 30:00 - Interim Governments and Uncertain Endgames Watch the video version of our podcast on our YouTube channel.   Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org.  For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST.  Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more. 
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843 Days, 12 Hours, 6 Minutes
2026/01/29
The hostage clock stopped at 843 days, 12 hours, and 6 minutes. But did the healing begin? Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi reflect on the return of the body of Ran Gvili—the last hostage from October 7th—and what this moment reveals about Israel's wounds, its divisions, and its desperate need for goodness. A meditation on trauma, ritual, and the human need for moments of grace—even when the underlying problems remain. Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.  Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org. For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST. Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more. Here’s more from the Shalom Hartman Institute this week: Learn more about Rabbanut North America, our three-year rabbinic ordination program, and the newest cohort!
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Trump's World
2026/01/21
What can Israel do when unpredictability becomes U.S. policy? In this episode of For Heaven’s Sake, Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi reckon with what it means for Israel to live in “Trump’s world”—where unpredictability isn’t just a style, it’s a strategy that can have life-and-death consequences. They explore how Israel’s political drift and Netanyahu’s lack of a “day after” plan have left a political vacuum the U.S. is now filling, and what it would take for Israel to reclaim a measure of self-determination in an unsteady new order. Watch the video version of our podcast on our Youtube channel.  Past episodes of this show, and other podcasts from Ark Media can be found at arkmedia.org. For more ideas from the Shalom Hartman Institute, visit shalomhartman.org, or JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST. Sponsor an upcoming episode of For Heaven’s Sake. Click here to learn more. Here’s more from the Shalom Hartman Institute this week:  Listen to young Israeli changemakers from our Hazon program on the Canadian Jewish News's North Star podcast.
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4.7 out of 5
397 reviews
Irenas3 2026/03/25
Wonderful
I absolutely love listening to Yossi and Donniel they are knowledgeable and insightful. Listening to this podcast is a highlight of me and I look forw...
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JabsUT 2026/04/02
Emotional Nonsense Detached From Real World Nuance
Every once in a while I decide to torture myself and listen to these two spouting nonsense void of nuance and logic. If emotional arguments are your t...
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pepper80202 2026/03/13
Great discussions
I appreciate the conversations. Please don’t talk over each other. It’s unpleasant for listeners. I understand you’re both passionate about the top...
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MJDmel 2025/07/10
I Love These Hits
To the hosts: Thank you for your podcast. I find such meaning and joy listening to your heartfelt wrestling with the important issues facing Israel an...
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zeamays 2026/03/12
Pro war propaganda
Hosts twist themselves into pretzels to back an unwarranted attack on civilians.
REL626 2025/12/31
Very good but problematic
I would give this 5 stars for the quality of the conversation and debate were it not for comments like references to Trump as charming and the like. O...
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Genny Lilio 2025/12/18
Unnecessary fear-mongering
They need to fact-check their comments about Zohran
NYTimesadict 2025/07/09
Pariah state
I am a loyal listener, and I am deeply devoted to your shows, and deeply devoted to Israel. But I really believe there is a simple answer to the quest...
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RKWFL 2025/05/29
Processing complicated feelings about Israel at War
For the past year I’ve listened to and recommended For Heaven’s Sake to other Jewish Americans who, like me, have complicated feelings about the event...
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This Ken 2025/05/07
Leftist opinion
The hosts begin with the presumption that Bibi is evil. Then they always seek to find how his motives are always wrong. They are as bad as the Jews wh...
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