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After building a life fitness forward, one man's determination to get back to his fitness helped him survive his cancer. Chas Rodgers is about to make you laugh, think, and maybe even shed a tear. More than anything though, in this episode of the Man Up to Cancer Podcast, Chas is going to light a fire under your ass to GET UP AND MOVE! As a longtime fitness professional and coach, Chas has spent most of his adult life doing just that. He's a U.S. Navy veteran who lives in San Diego, father of three, and passionate advocate for men facing prostate cancer. He was diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer at age 45. His cancer was discovered because he asked his doctor a simple question: Was there anything else he should be checking, particularly as a Black man? That question may have saved his life. Since his diagnosis in 2013, Chas has endured prostate surgery, radiation, additional procedures, and complications that changed his body and his life. The physical challenges were difficult enough. But the emotional toll, sexual dysfunction, changes in his relationships, and struggles with his sense of masculinity were every bit as challenging. Today, Chas continues to work in fitness and advocate for men with prostate cancer. His message isn't about pushing through pain or accomplishing extraordinary athletic feats. It's about meeting yourself where you are, and finding ways to keep moving. In this episode, Chas and I talk about: How a routine physical and an unexpected PSA test led to his diagnosis at age 45Why Black men need to be proactive about prostate cancer screening and early detectionHow prostate cancer treatment affected his masculinity, sexual function, relationships, and mental healthHow he went from struggling to walk up a hill to gradually rebuilding his strengthWhy a five-minute walk can be more meaningful than an impressive fitness accomplishmentThe importance of giving yourself grace and not comparing your body today with what it could do before cancer Resources mentioned in this episode Prostate Cancer Research Institute (PCRI) — Patient education about prostate cancer, testing, treatment options, and survivorship.Prostate Cancer Foundation (PCF) — Research, education, and resources for patients and families.American Cancer Society — Cancer information, screening guidance, and support services.VA Community Care — Information for veterans about accessing eligible healthcare services from community providers through the VA. Ready for More Than Walking? Try This Beginner Strength Routine Chas Rodgers has a simple message for men rebuilding their fitness during or after cancer: Start where you are. Keep moving. Give yourself grace. If you've established a regular walking routine and feel ready for the next step, consider adding this gentle bodyweight workout. Complete the following exercises slowly and comfortably, and then increase your number of sets and reps: Chair Squats (Sit-to-Stands) — 8 repetitions Sit in a sturdy chair, stand up, then slowly sit back down. Use your hands for assistance if needed. Wall Push-Ups — 8 repetitions Stand facing a wall, place your hands against it at shoulder height, and slowly bend and straighten your arms. Standing Calf Raises — 10 repetitions Hold a counter or sturdy chair for balance. Slowly rise onto your toes, then lower your heels. Standing Marches — 20 steps total March slowly in place, lifting one knee at a time. Hold a counter for balance if needed. How to use this workout: Start with one round, twice a week, on nonconsecutive days. Warm up with a few minutes of easy walking, rest whenever needed, and gradually work toward two rounds as the exercises become easier. No gym. No weights. No pressure to keep up with anyone else. Before starting, check with your cancer care team, particularly if you're in active treatment, recovering from surgery, or dealing with balance problems, neuropathy, bone metastases, or other treatment-related limitations. SPONSOR SHOUT OUT! I want to thank my sponsor for this episode, Pfizer. This Is Living with Cancer™ is a free online resource developed by Pfizer Oncology for all people​ living with cancer, regardless of age, income, race, location, cancer type, or stage of disease. This​ comprehensive program is available to anyone in the US, whether they’re on a Pfizer​ treatment or not, with a growing focus on those facing challenges accessing care. Visit ThisIsLivingWithCancer.com to learn more. I can't make this podcast happen without sponsors that believe in storytelling and the elevation of real patient voices. All views are my own, and the opinions expressed in this show do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of our sponsors.

Twice a week, Bob Lane takes a seat beside an elevator at a prostate cancer clinic in Charlotte, N.C., and waits. The men who come through those doors may have just learned their cancer has spread. They may be scared, overwhelmed, or unsure what questions to ask. Bob doesn't approach them. He lets them come to him. And they do. Bob has now talked with hundreds of patients and families — sharing what he's learned from more than a decade of living with prostate cancer, including metastatic disease that spread to the very top of his spine. Around the clinic, everybody knows him by another name: Elevator Bob. Bob is 70 years old, a retired insurance professional from South Carolina, and a husband, father, prostate cancer patient and advocate. He was diagnosed in 2014, and today his metastatic cancer is stable on treatment. His advocacy now extends well beyond that elevator, through speaking, media appearances, and work with prostate cancer organizations across the country. Today, you're going to meet him. Bob's "three-legged" stool approach to patient support and information: 1) Medical care team 2) Family and friends 3) Other patients who have walked the road before you SPONSOR SHOUT OUT! I want to thank my sponsor for this episode, Pfizer. This Is Living with Cancer™ is a free online resource developed by Pfizer Oncology for all people​ living with cancer, regardless of age, income, race, location, cancer type, or stage of disease. This​ comprehensive program is available to anyone in the US, whether they’re on a Pfizer​ treatment or not, with a growing focus on those facing challenges accessing care. Visit ThisIsLivingWithCancer.com to learn more. I can't make this podcast happen without sponsors that believe in storytelling and the elevation of real patient voices. All views are my own, and the opinions expressed in this show do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of our sponsors.

This episode is a special one for me because my guests are Ed St. John and Ken McGhee, two of the leaders of an organization called The PC Tribe — a peer-to-peer brotherhood for men living with prostate cancer. And the PC Tribe has some pretty deep roots in Man Up to Cancer. Its founder, Tracy Morgan, was one of the early members of our community and became a close friend. Tracy saw what was happening when guys with all types of cancer started connecting with each other inside the Howling Place, MUTC's original FB group. He believed men with prostate cancer needed a place of their own to build those same kinds of relationships. So in 2021, he created the PC Tribe. What started with one guy pushing a button to create a Facebook group has grown into a community of more than 1,800 men from around the world, with Zoom gatherings, an annual in-person Rendezvous, and a growing organization dedicated to making sure men don't face prostate cancer alone. Tracy died in October 2025. But what he created is very much alive. And two of the men helping carry it forward are with me today. https://www.facebook.com/ThePCTribe public page https://www.facebook.com/groups/thepctribeprivate private group www.pctribe.org SPONSOR SHOUT OUT! I want to thank my sponsor for this episode, Pfizer. This Is Living with Cancer™ is a free online resource developed by Pfizer Oncology for all people​ living with cancer, regardless of age, income, race, location, cancer type, or stage of disease. This​ comprehensive program is available to anyone in the US, whether they’re on a Pfizer​ treatment or not, with a growing focus on those facing challenges accessing care. Visit ThisIsLivingWithCancer.com to learn more. I can't make this podcast happen without sponsors that believe in storytelling and the elevation of real patient voices. All views are my own, and the opinions expressed in this show do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of our sponsors.

During our conversation for the Man Up to Cancer Podcast, Andrés Garrido took a deep breath and said this: “The only thing you have in life is affection.” From more than 5,000 miles away, I felt an instant connection to this man I'd never met. I'm so proud to share that moment with you. When Andrés was diagnosed with aggressive prostate cancer at age 51, he approached it the way he had approached some of the hardest climbs of his life. A lifelong cyclist from Chile who has spent decades climbing the Andes Mountains, Andrés was determined to fight, endure, and keep moving upward. But cancer challenged far more than his physical strength. Surgery, radiation and hormone therapy shook his sense of control, sexuality and identity as a man. In this deeply intimate conversation, Andrés speaks like a warrior poet. He shares openly about depression and shame, rebuilding intimacy with his wife of 37 years, and discovering how desperately men need meaningful friendships with other men. He also takes us inside Chilean culture, where prostate cancer, sexual side effects and male vulnerability can still be surrounded by stigma and silence. Cycling runs through Andrés' story. When his doctor warned that treatment-related muscle loss might keep him from crossing the Andes again, Andrés promised to send him a photograph from his bike when he made it across. He did. Eleven years after diagnosis, Andrés no longer speaks of cancer simply as an enemy. He describes it as an uninvited guest that taught him unforgettable lessons. “The only thing you have in life is affection.” This is a conversation about prostate cancer, masculinity, marriage, friendship and survival — and about the walls that can come down when two men give each other permission to be vulnerable. It is one of the most intimate conversations we've had on the Man Up to Cancer podcast. In this episode, Andrés and I talk about: Facing aggressive, high-grade prostate cancer with no symptoms or family historyLosing control of the life he thought he had plannedShame, depression, vulnerability and rebuilding intimacy after treatmentAndrés’ 37-year marriage and finding a new chapter togetherProstate cancer, masculinity and stigma in ChileAndrés’ vision for supporting patients in rural Patagonia SPONSOR SHOUT OUT! I want to thank my sponsor for this episode, Pfizer. This Is Living with Cancer™ is a free online resource developed by Pfizer Oncology for all people​ living with cancer, regardless of age, income, race, location, cancer type, or stage of disease. This​ comprehensive program is available to anyone in the US, whether they’re on a Pfizer​ treatment or not, with a growing focus on those facing challenges accessing care. Visit ThisIsLivingWithCancer.com to learn more. I can't make this podcast happen without sponsors that believe in storytelling and the elevation of real patient voices. All views are my own, and the opinions expressed in this show do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of our sponsors.

Mark Harris is one of those guys who makes you feel better just by being around him. He's a prostate cancer survivor, longtime fitness professional, husband, father, man of deep faith, and a tireless advocate for men with cancer. His enthusiasm for life is infectious. And behind that enthusiasm is a story of cancer, unimaginable loss, faith, and purpose. Mark was diagnosed with prostate cancer in October 2013 at age 57. When his urologist told him, "You have prostate cancer, but I'm going to do everything I can to help you," Mark focused on the second half of that sentence. That's Mark. He was raised to look for the bright side, even when it's hard to find. Then, just six days later, Mark's 30-year-old son, Mychal, was diagnosed with a rare and aggressive cancer of the salivary gland. Suddenly, father and son were traveling the cancer road together. Mychal died four months later, in February 2014. Mark underwent his own radical prostatectomy just two months after losing his son. More than a decade later, his prostate cancer remains undetectable. Through everything Mark has endured, two things have remained foundational: look for the bright side, and keep the faith. Today, he has turned those beliefs into action. Mark works with cancer support groups, researchers, cancer centers and advocacy organizations across the country. He is especially passionate about reaching Black men, who face a disproportionate burden from prostate cancer, and getting men to become more proactive about their health. In this episode, Mark and I talk about: What it really means for a man to be "strong" during cancerWhy talking about cancer doesn't take away your masculinityGoing through cancer alongside his son and then grieving his deathThe faith that has carried Mark through the hardest moments of his lifeMaking an informed prostate cancer treatment decisionWhy men need to know their PSA number, not just assume their doctor doesThe disproportionate impact of prostate cancer on Black menHow Mark's cancer experience grew into a life of patient advocacy and service SPONSOR SHOUT OUT! I want to thank my sponsor for this episode, Pfizer. This Is Living with Cancer™ is a free online resource developed by Pfizer Oncology for all people​ living with cancer, regardless of age, income, race, location, cancer type, or stage of disease. This​ comprehensive program is available to anyone in the US, whether they’re on a Pfizer​ treatment or not, with a growing focus on those facing challenges accessing care. Visit ThisIsLivingWithCancer.com to learn more. I can't make this podcast happen without sponsors that believe in storytelling and the elevation of real patient voices. All views are my own, and the opinions expressed in this show do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of our sponsors.

Joe Bullock from Durham, N.C., has been my right-hand man, my ride or die, and one of my closest friends for more than six years. I’m incredibly grateful for his friendship and for the professional partnership we’ve built along the way. Man Up to Cancer simply would not be what it is today without Joe. We’ve built this thing together through some incredible highs, some crushing losses, and a whole lot of moments when neither of us really knew what the hell we were doing. Joe now serves as Director of Programs and Partnerships for Man Up to Cancer. For Joe’s sixth appearance on the MUTC Podcast, we talk about: The Gathering of Wolves: How a crazy idea to bring guys together in the woods in 2022 has grown into the fiery hot center of the MUTC movement — and what we never want to lose as it grows.Men, cancer and mental health: Joe is leading the upcoming Men’s Cancer and Mental Health Conference at UNC, and we talk about why this event needs to exist and where the cancer system still falls short when it comes to the emotional lives of men.Joe’s upcoming book: Joe talks about the book he’s writing. It's his own deeply personal story of cancer and survivorship, and an exploration of friendship, fear, grief, identity, and the emotional scars that don’t disappear when treatment ends. You can connect with Joe at [email protected]. LINKS: Man Up to Cancer Gathering of Wolves men's cancer retreat Men's Cancer and Mental Health Conference Colontown Want to hear more about Joe, his story, and the early days of Man Up to Cancer? Here are the links to his five previous appearances on the podcast. Howlin' Joe Bullock — July 14, 2020, Episode 1 Listen to Howlin' Joe Bullock Cancerland legend Joe Bullock is back to talk about the Howling Place, COLONTOWN JR., and... forest bathing — January 12, 2021, Episode 23 Listen to the episode Has Joe Bullock cloned himself? #Cancerland needs to know! — March 22, 2022, Episode 57 Listen to Has Joe Bullock cloned himself? Man Up to Cancer grows up w/ Joe Bullock — January 9, 2024, Episode 73 Listen to Man Up to Cancer grows up Two guys With Cancer and a Dream — February 24, 2026, Episode 83 Listen to Two guys With Cancer and a Dream

Today's episode is a solo show. Just me and my thoughts. Yikes. I take off the masks and get as honest and heart-centered as possible in answering the question: After 8+ years of surgeries and treatments, many close calls, navigating the maze of oncology care, and times I should not have made it through... Why am I still here? To all the patients and families living with cancer, I'm sending you big hugs from Maine. -Trevor

Happy summer 2026 to all of the listeners out there in Cancerland! I hope you're having your best summer possible. Living in Maine can be tough for many cold months, so when summer comes, we make the most of it. I'm taking some breaks this summer to spend time at camp off the grid in northern Maine, at the beach, and right here in my backyard with my wife and our daughters who are both home from college. For those of you who know what we've gone through in more than eight years living with metastatic cancer, you know how special that time is. So for today's podcast, we are going deep into the vault to bring you one of my favorite shows, Episode 16 from October of 2020. We were in the grips of the pandemic, watching Top Chef as a family, and we find out that one of our favorite chefs, Kevin Gillespie, is a fellow cancer survivor. I find the contact information for his people, I reach out and I'm like, hey, Kevin, you should come on the podcast! And because he’s an awesome human, he does! Kevin Gillespie is an acclaimed chef, restaurant owner, and businessman who became a breakout star on Top Chef. He is the founder and owner of Red Beard Restaurants, including the restaurants Gunshow in his home state of Georgia. Kevin is a survivor of a rare form of renal cancer, for which he had a kidney removed in 2018. Enjoy this throwback to Episode 16, and I'll see you in a few weeks. @chefkevingillespie @redbeardrestaurants @bravotopchef

If you know the show, you know I've been living with stage IV colon cancer since March of 2018, more than eight years. I've endured many surgeries and treatments, and I'm still fighting for survival and for my family. I wouldn't wish this disease on anyone. But I sure am grateful for the brothers I've made who are walking the same road. Keith Hollingsworth of Lafayette, Indiana, is one of those dear friends. Keith was diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer in May of 2021. Since tht time he has been fighting this disease with chemo, radiation, clinical trials, and multiple surgeries. He is a husband and parent to two teenage boys. In his free time, he likes to spend it with his family, whether that's attending the boys' sporting events, fishing, or working on projects around the house while looking after their three dogs. Keith and I have a lot of similarities in our journeys. We were the same age at diagnosis. Same type of cancer. We both had young children, a supportive wife, we both became students of our disease because we realized that no one else was going to care about our survival and our families as much as us. Spend an hour with us to see what brotherhood during cancer looks like. Shout outs to Colontown, the Clue movie, and Keith's beloved Michigan Football. SPONSOR SHOUT OUT! I want to thank my sponsor for this episode, Pfizer. This Is Living with Cancer™ is a free online resource developed by Pfizer Oncology for all people​ living with cancer, regardless of age, income, race, location, cancer type, or stage of disease. This​ comprehensive program is available to anyone in the US, whether they’re on a Pfizer​ treatment or not, with a growing focus on those facing challenges accessing care. Visit ThisIsLivingWithCancer.com to learn more. I can't make this podcast happen without sponsors that believe in storytelling and the elevation of real patient voices. All views are my own, and the opinions expressed in this show do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of our sponsors.

Dr. Jessica MacIntyre is my guest on episode 91 of the Man Up to Cancer Podcast. Jessica serves as Assistant Vice President of Advanced Practice Providers and the Institute Co-Director for Clinical Operations at the University of Miami's Sylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center. From humble roots in Miami, Jessica started her career as an oncology nurse, and over the past 20+ years worked her way up to becoming a leading national voice in advanced nursing practice and innovative programs for cancer survivors. On today's episode, we talk about: What drives her on a daily basisHow patients have changed her over the yearsWhat nurses see that other providers might missWhat patients need that they still aren't getting And of course, Jessica must face the Gauntlet of Random Questions, where we both agree on the actress who should play her in the movie about her life! I guessed correctly btw. University of Miami Sylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center The Sylvester Survivorship and Supportive Care Institute Oncology Nursing Society SPONSOR SHOUT OUT! I want to thank my sponsor for this episode, Pfizer. This Is Living with Cancer™ is a free online resource developed by Pfizer Oncology for all people​ living with cancer, regardless of age, income, race, location, cancer type, or stage of disease. This​ comprehensive program is available to anyone in the US, whether they’re on a Pfizer​ treatment or not, with a growing focus on those facing challenges accessing care. Visit ThisIsLivingWithCancer.com to learn more. I can't make this podcast happen without sponsors that believe in storytelling and the elevation of real patient voices. All views are my own, and the opinions expressed in this show do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of our sponsors.

One of the coolest things about this job as podcast host is that I get to shine the light on other non-profits in the cancer space and the incredible work being done by their leaders and volunteers. Today, the spotlight is on Kesem. Founded in 2000, Kesem is a leading national nonprofit supporting children facing a parent’s cancer, providing year-round programs and services for children ages 6-18 at no cost to families. Their flagship program, Camp Kesem, provides free, week-long summer camp experiences for children whose parents are facing, have survived, or have died from cancer. Camps are led by trained college student volunteers. Our youngest daughter, Elsie, attended camp in 2023. She was an older camper at age 15, but the experience had a profound impact on her. Her camp name was Ivy by the way - from a Taylor Swift song. It's an honor to welcome Kesem's CEO Jay Stilwell, and someone who attended camp and went on to be a college camp counselor, Kuu Sanford. Check out their mini-bios and social channels below. Jay “Country Ham” Stilwell Jay Stilwell is CEO of Kesem, where he brings the perspective of a Kesem parent, former Board Chair, and longtime mission champion. After losing his wife to cancer, Jay found Kesem through his daughter’s camp experience and now leads the organization’s efforts to support children impacted by a parent’s cancer. Kuuleilani “KitKat” Sanford Kuu Sanford attended the very first Camp Kesem at age 7 as a child impacted by a parent’s cancer and later returned as a counselor. Now an entrepreneur and founder, Kuu credits Kesem with shaping her confidence, resilience, friendships, and lifelong commitment to supporting others. Kesem social channels Instagram: www.instagram.com/kesem/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/campkesem LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/kesemnationwide Kuu Sanford social channels Instagram: www.instagram.com/kuubabyy LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/kuusanford/ SPONSOR SHOUT OUT! I want to thank my sponsor for this episode, Pfizer. This Is Living with Cancer™ is a free online resource developed by Pfizer Oncology for all people​ living with cancer, regardless of age, income, race, location, cancer type, or stage of disease. This​ comprehensive program is available to anyone in the US, whether they’re on a Pfizer​ treatment or not, with a growing focus on those facing challenges accessing care. Visit ThisIsLivingWithCancer.com to learn more. I can't make this podcast happen without sponsors that believe in storytelling and the elevation of real patient voices. All views are my own, and the opinions expressed in this show do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of our sponsors.

Today on the show I welcome my dear friend Chuck Aiken from Glens Falls, NY Chuck serves as membership director for Man Up to Cancer, and has been a key figure in planning and being an emcee at our annual Gathering of Wolves men's cancer retreat. He is also known as the one who brought the phrase "It costs nothing to be kind" into the lexicon of our community. For more than six years, Chuck has been living with an aggressive form of acute myeloid leukemia, AML. He had a stem cell transplant in 2020 and since that time has battled Graft Versus Host Disease (GVHD). Through all of this he has continued to: Coach powerlifting to Special Olympics athletesRun his business as an emcee and DJ, Big Show EntertainmentSpeak at functions about his cancer journey We've got a lot of big-hearted guys in the Man Up to Cancer community. Chuck Aiken is in the Mount Rushmore of that select group. SPONSOR SHOUT OUT! I want to thank my sponsor for this episode, Pfizer. This Is Living with Cancer™ is a free online resource developed by Pfizer Oncology for all people​ living with cancer, regardless of age, income, race, location, cancer type, or stage of disease. This​ comprehensive program is available to anyone in the US, whether they’re on a Pfizer​ treatment or not, with a growing focus on those facing challenges accessing care. Visit ThisIsLivingWithCancer.com to learn more. I can't make this podcast happen without sponsors that believe in storytelling and the elevation of real patient voices. All views are my own, and the opinions expressed in this show do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of our sponsors.

Today on the Man Up to Cancer Podcast I welcome Oya Gilbert, a nationally recognized cancer patient advocate who blends his love of hip hop with his calling to help others get on the path to good health. Oya is the founder the Health, Hope & Hip Hop Foundation. He is a hip-hop artist, producer, and event facilities manager who grew up in Wilmington, Delaware. In 2017, Oya was diagnosed with multiple myeloma, an incurable blood cancer. He found strength in community, especially through his stem cell support group, and now he’s paying that forward, leading a myeloma support group, advocating in underserved communities, and using the platform he’s built through his Health, Hope & Hip-Hop foundation to reach people who might otherwise be left out of health conversations. Prepare for goosebumps. As a speaker, educator, and motivator, Oya is the real deal. https://healthhopehiphop.org/ https://hiphopehooray.podbean.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@healthhopehiphop https://www.youtube.com/@Grand-G Poetry by KRS-One https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSjmF9Ro8c&list=RD8fSjmF9Ro8c&start_radio=1 Blood Cancer United https://bloodcancerunited.org/ SPONSOR SHOUT OUT! I want to thank my sponsor for this episode, Pfizer. This Is Living with Cancer™ is a free online resource developed by Pfizer Oncology for all people​ living with cancer, regardless of age, income, race, location, cancer type, or stage of disease. This​ comprehensive program is available to anyone in the US, whether they’re on a Pfizer​ treatment or not, with a growing focus on those facing challenges accessing care. Visit ThisIsLivingWithCancer.com to learn more. I can't make this podcast happen without sponsors that believe in storytelling and the elevation of real patient voices. All views are my own, and the opinions expressed in this show do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of our sponsors.

When you're a metastatic cancer patient and you've lived beyond the “expiration date” some people may have quietly assigned you, two things can be true at the same time: 1) I’m grateful every day for the time I get to spend with people I love, to be out in nature, to do work that gives me meaning. 2) I carry the burden of pain and long-term side effects, along with a kind of grief that has no single source, always humming in the background. But when the world wants to celebrate and shower you with confetti because you're still alive, sometimes you leave out the second part. Sometimes you hide the burden. This is what I talk about in my latest solo episode, #87 of the Man Up to Cancer Podcast. If it resonates, give it a listen and follow the show so we can reach more men who are going through this. SPONSOR SHOUT OUT! I want to thank my sponsor for this episode, Pfizer. This Is Living with Cancer™ is a free online resource developed by Pfizer Oncology for all people​ living with cancer, regardless of age, income, race, location, cancer type, or stage of disease. This​ comprehensive program is available to anyone in the US, whether they’re on a Pfizer​ treatment or not, with a growing focus on those facing challenges accessing care. Visit ThisIsLivingWithCancer.com to learn more. I can't make this podcast happen without sponsors that believe in storytelling and the elevation of real patient voices. All views are my own, and the opinions expressed in this show do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of our sponsors.

No new episode today. Instead, we throw it back to episode 4. This episode was recorded six years ago, in the spring of 2020. In the midst of a lockdown for the Covid-19 pandemic, I sat down with my wife Sarah and talked about our first two years living with cancer. Our daughters were 14 and 12. They are now 20 and 18. This is one of the most meaningful discussions I've ever recorded, and I'm proud to share it with you. My hope then -- and my hope now -- is that this episode will be helpful to couples navigating the treacherous waters of cancer, especially those who are newly diagnosed. Back then, we had no idea that I would still be alive in 2026, that our daughters would both be in college, and that my disease would be stable. I've been blessed with the privilege of raising the girls, being there for all of their milestones, and seeing them into adulthood. I'm also painfully aware that so many other patients, including people I've been fortunate enough to call my friends, don't get that extra time.