How Fitting® is the podcast for slow fashion designers who want to create clothing and grow a business that fits their customer, lifestyle, and values. In biweekly episodes, hear how relatable fashion entrepreneurs (the kind who run their businesses from kitchen tables and cutting tables, not boardroom tables) navigate the fashion industry with integrity and define success based on their own principles.
In each conversation, host Alison Hoenes (a freelance women’s apparel patternmaker) explores the things that all slow fashion business owners experience: the vulnerability of launching something new, the deeply empathetic process of designing clothes that fit a niche market, the challenges of pursuing both financial and environmental sustainability, the late nights of reckoning with your values that make you consider shutting the whole thing down, and the rewarding moments that make it all worth it.
In addition, hear from experienced fashion industry resources that are helping indie designers make a difference and a profit – like low MOQ factories, fashion marketing and business coaches, or sustainable fabric suppliers.
How Fitting® offers validation that you are not alone in your fashion entrepreneurship experience, ideas to try on in your fashion business to create a better fit, and a curious look into how other slow fashion brands are making it work. How fitting is that?
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What Fair Trade Actually Means for the Brand, Products, and Production Relationships with Taylor McCleneghan of Mata Traders
2026/10/06
If we’re talking about how values show up in the creation of specific clothing styles, you won’t find a better example of this than fair trade fashion. For fair trade fashion brands, the process is just as important as the product. Collections don’t begin with design inspiration, they stem from family-owned production partners, long-term boutique relationships, cross-cultural collaborations, and a commitment to each person involved.
This is the foundation that Mata Traders is built on. In episode 139, Mata Traders Owner & Director Taylor McCleneghan shares what it means to be fair trade and just how those values, strengths, and limitations came together in their Rosy Snakes Lucielle Dress. Taylor and I get nerdy about the details and, as Taylor sums up so well in this episode: “I continue to just be amazed at what people can create together.”
Early exposure to building costumes for school plays could very well be what sparked Taylor's curiosity for garment construction!
With a deep appreciation for how all things are made and a joy in creating with our producer partners, Taylor’s passion for products that support an equitable system grows every day at Mata.
What we learn about fit in this episode:
Fitting the people
How Mata Traders prioritizes the people in their supply chain just as much as the people who are their customers
Why relationships are so important to fair trade production
Fitting the performance
How Mata uses customer and store feedback into their design process
How Mata’s customer-favorite style – the Lucielle Dress – has evolved over the last 7 years
Fitting the purpose
What fair trade actually means at the brand and product level
The difference between fair trade product versus brand certifications and memberships
Transparently telling the story behind the clothes to customers and buyers while protecting the privacy and relationships with production people
Fitting the production
Why Mata designs each piece with a particular manufacturing partner in mind
The nuances of different printing and production processes that Mata’s partner’s use and how Mata’s team designs with strengths and limitations in mind
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
Mata Traders website (code WELCOME10 will give new customers 10% off!)
Mata Traders Instagram
Mata Traders LinkedIn
Mata Traders email
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A Good Product Is Not Enough – Fashion Brands Need a Story and Lifestyle with Ann Simmons of Annie Ozark
2026/09/22
A good product is not enough. As much as we’d like to pour our creative time and resources into creating the most beautiful design and exquisitely crafted product and then let it sell itself, it just doesn’t. In fashion business, the job doesn’t stop when the garment is produced. Marketing it is just as important. And that job actually starts before the product even exists.
For some designers, it might seem counterintuitive to think about the marketing and business first, but for Ann Simmons, it came naturally. After working in merchandising and brand marketing at iconic heritage lifestyle brands, she founded her own label – Annie Ozark. Before designing anything, Ann thought about the lifestyle and marketing concept of her brand. In episode 138 of How Fitting®, she shares how this brand story is woven throughout each aspect of her collection’s design and development – including that of the Mulberry Denim Overalls.
Annie Ozark founder Ann Simmons was raised in the Arkansas Ozarks with a bent toward design, Americana, and all things vintage. Her mother and grandmother taught her the difference between a garment made for the season and one crafted to be passed down – a distinction that now shapes every piece she makes.
After studying Fashion Merchandising in college, she built a career in apparel and retail. Her time at two iconic heritage brands, Ralph Lauren and Wrangler, inspired her to be the architect of her own label, Annie Ozark.
The brand was born where the American South meets the Midwest, in the folds of the Ozark Mountains. It offers women’s pieces for everyday living: overalls, work shirts, and bandanas, all designed with equal parts femininity and sturdiness, and built to outlast a single season.
What we learn about fit in this episode:
Fitting the people
How the Ozarks lifestyle influences every part of Annie Ozark
How Ann balances fitting herself versus fitting other women in her target market
Referencing vintage clothing when designing for the modern woman
Fitting the performance
The unexpected ways that longevity plays a role in Ann’s design choices
How Ann responds to trends in her brand and designs
Fitting the purpose
Why Ann created the story and world for Annie Ozark before she designed any clothing
The Americana niche that Ann found was missing in fashion
Fitting the production
What Ann learned from producing her first collection that she is bringing into the development of future seasons
Balancing cost and quality in production
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
Annie Ozark website
Annie Ozark Instagram
Annie Ozark LinkedIn
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Considering What Slow Fashion Means For A Brand’s Present and Future with Arianna Levesque of Triplicity
2026/08/18
If you run a slow fashion brand, you’ve probably experienced this. You saw how wasteful the fashion industry can be and vowed to run your brand differently. You want to pursue quality over quantity, sustainable materials and practices, fair labor, and avoid over-production. But how does this slow fashion intent meet the reality of factory MOQs, wash tests, and production costs for a new brand? Plus, as the brand grows, is there a scale where a slow fashion brand is no longer slow fashion?
These are all questions Arianna Levesque considers for her brand Triplicity. Arianna and her triplet sisters create versatile, chic pieces meant for a long-lasting capsule wardrobe. In episode 137, hear what slow fashion values Arianna prioritized as Triplicity started out, how she’s planning for the brand’s future growth, and how these goals impacted decisions for the Adelaide Adjustable Drawstring Pant.
Triplicity was founded by Arianna Levesque, a graduate of the Fashion Institute of Technology. Arianna began her career designing for a fast fashion company and eventually realized she wanted to do things differently.
She saw hundreds of styles produced each month in poor fabrics and likely unethical conditions, in trendy designs that would not carry over to the next year. It felt wasteful, and she wanted to offer styles that were higher quality, and could help people build a capsule wardrobe that they could wear for years to come, which would reduce waste, save people money in the long run, and make deciding what to wear easier.
Inspired by growing up as an identical triplet and sharing clothes with her two sisters, Arianna developed a passion for designing basics with extra functional details that make her designs versatile, with flexible sizing on many of the styles. These features turn timeless basics into unique, adaptable pieces.
What we learn about fit in this episode:
Fitting the people
How sharing clothes with her sisters growing up helps Arianna design capsule wardrobe pieces
How Arianna incorporates adjustable features in each piece without cluttering the simplicity of the designs
Fitting the performance
The debate between natural and synthetic fibers and where Triplicity landed on their materials
How the flexible designs are made for the lifestyle of the Triplicity customer
Fitting the purpose
How Triplicity follows a slow fashion approach
Why sustainability probably isn’t the biggest selling point for your product
Fitting the production
Why Triplicity doesn’t follow a traditional fashion production calendar
What Arianna envisions for Triplicity’s production model to scale the brand without giving up slow fashion values
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
Triplicity website
Triplicity Instagram
Triplicity TikTok
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Creative Confidence, Control, and Content-Product Offer Alignment with Ceilidh of BillyNou
2026/06/30
As entrepreneurs, we didn’t start businesses to create a job that we hate. In fact, for most of us, it is quite the opposite. We want our work to be fulfilling. But we also want it to pay the bills and not burn us out. So how do we build a business that is both fun and financially stable? That offers both creative confidence and commercial control? Where the day-to-day process feels magical, but also manageable?
These are the kinds of questions that underlie all of our businesses and impact how sustainable running the business actually is. Ceilidh has experienced this first hand over the ten years she’s been running her brand BillyNou. What started as a natural dyeing hobby, became a maker business. As the brand grew, she realized both the strengths of her creative process and the limitations of her business model.
In episode 136, Ceilidh shares how she’s aligning her product offering with the content she already loves to share and how the Original Overalls she started with still embody the magic she wants the BillyNou community to experience.
Ceilidh Chaplin is a British designer and the founder of BillyNou, a slow fashion brand based in Provence in the south of France, focusing on unique, simple, statement pieces coloured with natural pigments and flowers.
Born out of a desire for comfort and sustainability, BillyNou clothing is low impact and easy to wear. There is a strong focus on low impact fibers and using natural dyes to colour garments made with vintage and antique French linen. Most pieces are made slowly, from start to finish in her small atelier bridging the gap between fashion and craft.
Ceilidh describes the natural dyes she works with as “living colours” having a charm and personality very unlike chemical dyes and offers natural dye workshops and tutorials in person and on line. She communicates her story and showcases her brand in collaboration with her partner, through high quality and visually beautiful content, encouraging people to consider their relationship to fast fashion and over consumption whilst also feeling they have stepped into a magical floral universe.
What we learn about fit in this episode:
Fitting the people
What surprises Ceilidh about the women who buy BillyNou
Why listening to her audience led Ceilidh to start teaching workshops
Fitting the performance
What makes some styles staples that sell for years or decades
Fitting the purpose
How BillyNou’s Original Overalls embody the brand’s values
Why natural dyeing is a big part of the BillyNou brand and a big reason why customers buy from BillyNou
How the new natural dyeing course that Ceilidh teaches is making her business more sustainable
Fitting the production
How Ceilidh balances control and consistency with creativity in production
The moment Ceilidh realized that the content she was sharing online and what she was selling weren’t aligned
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
BillyNou website
BillyNou Instagram
BillyNou Youtube
BillyNou email
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Why This Circular Fashion Brand Doesn’t Gatekeep Their Patterns with Megan McCullough of The Sample Room
2026/06/16
We’re told in fashion business that your brand’s patterns are your IP, don’t let anyone else have access to them. It is true that your patterns are one of the most legally protectable aspects of your brand’s unique fit and design aesthetic, but is gatekeeping patterns really necessary for fashion business success?
Today’s guest, Megan McCullough took the opposite approach for her brand The Sample Room. 100% of styles are available as both the finished garment and the sewing pattern. Not only that, but Meg designs each pattern and style to be upcycled so that the final garment is not its final form. The unique business model means The Sample Room operates half way between an apparel company and an indie pattern company.
In episode 135, we talk about the reasoning behind her decision to sell her patterns and ask the question: ‘Is there any financial benefit to working with upcycled materials?’. It’s an interesting conversation about business, fit, circular design, and more. Hear how this all fits together in her signature Workwear Jacket.
Meg McCullough is a clothing designer and the founder of The Sample Room, a circular fashion brand focused on designing garments that can be remade, repaired, and eventually returned to the earth.
She also runs Studio M, a freelance apparel design studio where she helps small brands design and tech pack clothing. With over a decade in the fashion industry, her work focuses on better design, natural materials, and clothing made to last.
What we learn about fit in this episode:
Fitting the people
The Sample Room customers’ response when she designed the Workwear Jacket to be upcycled
Why Megan shifted from using GOTS certified cotton to upcycling garments in her fashion brand
What The Sample Room’s fit testing process looks like given that they sell both garments and patterns
How Megan balances fitting each individual fit model versus fitting her customer across the board
How Megan keeps the fit and sizing consistent across her fashion brand while working with a variety of fit testers
Fitting the performance
The regional lifestyle that influenced the amount of ease in the Workwear Jacket
How The Sample Room’s different income streams fit together in the business
Fitting the purpose
Why Megan sells The Sample Room patterns as well as finished garments
How Megan designs her patterns so that the garment can be upcycled
Fitting the production
The production costs of using upcycled versus production using virgin materials
How Megan handled conversations with her factory when there was pushback on the sustainable way she wanted her apparel manufactured
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
The Sample Room website
The Sample Room Instagram
The Sample Room Youtube
Meg’s email
Meg’s LinkedIn
Circular Factory biodegradable trims
Clo3D fashion design software
Optitex patternmaking software
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How To Engineer A Garment For A Feeling with Karen Poirier of Embrago
2026/06/02
It’s an art, and a science. And something we don’t talk about enough in fashion. What do the physical properties of the fabric mean for the physical support of the body? We can read the info on the fabric header like the fiber content, stretch percentage, knit or weave structure, and gsm weight, but do we know how to use those to our advantage to achieve the look and feel we want in a garment?
The data is structured, but the answers are squishy. Today’s guest, Karen Poirier, proved it is possible to engineer a garment – using the physics, fabric properties, and seam structure – for a feeling. Her brand, Embargo, re-engineers support for full-busted women with bra-alternatives that prioritize comfort and wellbeing. In episode 134, we talk about the engineering that went into their Full Support Bra-Free Top and discover what good fit looks like for Embrago.
Karen Poirier, the visionary designer behind Embrago (em-BRA-go), is transforming women’s fashion with her innovative and sustainable approach. Embrago is more than just a clothing line; it’s a movement towards ethical and compassionate living that empowers women to embrace a minimalist fashion footprint.
For Karen, sustainability means creating multifunctional pieces that adapt to the natural changes in a woman’s body. After years of managing a fuller bust through the changes of pregnancy, breastfeeding, and midlife, she dedicated herself to developing a bra-alternative that supports overall health and comfort without compromising on style.
Her patented Body Responsive Fit™ system uses a new approach to built-in bust support that feels like a gentle embrace and ensures a perfect fit every day. This re-imagined system eliminates the pain and discomfort caused by traditional bras and automatically adapts to a woman’s body changes as she experiences hormone and weight fluctuations, from pre- to post-menopause. Embrago’s designs are crafted to be versatile, reducing the need for excess consumption.
Each piece is ethically produced in small batches, using the softest organic cotton and high-quality materials that prioritize both the planet and personal well-being. Karen’s mission is clear: to empower women to feel confident and comfortable, while also benefitting their health and the environment. Through Embrago, Karen is not only reshaping fashion categories but also transforming the way women think about getting dressed, encouraging mindful choices for a more sustainable future.
What we learn about fit in this episode:
Fitting the people
How Embrago creates support without restriction for full-busted women
The moment Karen knew that the product was finished
The mindset shift that happens when women start wearing Embrago
Fitting the performance
Why Karen focused on seams in a market category that typically favors seamless construction
How to use the grainline of the fabric strategically for the garment’s function
Fitting the purpose
How Embrago helps women break free from the social pressure to hide or compress a larger chest
Why Karen started Embrago in the first place
Fitting the production
The factors that went into Embrago’s pricing
The fit-testing process for this innovative product
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
Embrago website
Embrago Instagram
Embrago Youtube
Embrago email
Karen’s LinkedIn
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Can We Make 100% Plastic-Free Clothing? with Meli and Rensso Hinostroza of Eco Aya and Arms of Andes
2026/03/17
If you are anything like me, you’ve started paying way more attention to the ingredients in our food and realized just how many nasty ingredients are hidden within. If comprehensive ingredient labels existed for clothing, they would be equally shocking. Even in garments labeled as “natural fibers”, there are hidden sources of plastic and chemicals that have a negative effect on our health and the health of our planet.
For Meli and Rensso Hinostroza, this realization turned into curiosity and a deep dive into 100% plastic-free clothing production. The two siblings have started two brands – Arms of Andes and Eco Aya. In episode 133, we go into the nitty gritty details of eliminating all plastic from the clothing they make down to every thread, zipper, button, and fabric finishing and how they had to set up their manufacturing to do it.
Melissa and Rensso Hinostroza are the sibling co-founders of Eco Aya, a plastic-free non-toxic lifestyle brand, and Arms of Andes, home of the world’s only 100% alpaca outdoor apparel. In an industry dominated by synthetic fibers and microplastics, the sibling duo have returned to their roots to offer a high-performance alternative that is entirely natural and biodegradable.
Born in California and raised between the U.S. and Peru, they have spent their lives navigating two worlds, a perspective that allowed them to see how heritage-driven techniques could solve the modern environmental crisis in the global outdoor market.
Meli Hinostroza is the brand’s creative force and strategic visionary. She leads marketing, sales, and the customer experience, ensuring that every campaign reflects their deep-rooted commitment to the planet. For Meli, the mission is to dismantle the industry's reliance on plastics by building a brand that connects people back to nature through sustainable, purposeful design.
Rensso Hinostroza is the operational backbone of the company. With a background in international business, he manages the entire supply chain directly from Peru. He is the guardian of the brand’s transparency, overseeing everything from sourcing raw fibers to final production. A believer in a minimalist approach to adventure, Rensso is dedicated to proving that performance gear doesn't need chemicals or plastics to excel in the world's harshest environments.
Together, Meli and Rensso are bridging the gap between ancestral wisdom and modern technical performance, proving that the future of the outdoors isn't synthetic, it's natural.
This episode explores:
Fitting the customer
Who Meli and Rensso designed Arms of Andes and Eco Aya for
The questions Meli and Rensso wish customers would ask of brands
The questions brands should be asking of their suppliers
Fitting the lifestyle
How the sustainable lifestyle Meli and Rensso grew up with influenced their early business decisions
Why Meli and Rensso decided to bring all their textile and garment production in-house in a single country
The nitty gritty details of how Rensso and Meli got rid of the hidden sources of plastic in their brand’s clothes
Fitting the values
Why Meli and Rensso put so much value (and effort) into making clothes plastic-free
The balance between longevity and biodegradability
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
Eco Aya. website
Arms of Andes website
Eco Aya Instagram
Eco Aya email
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How Custom Clothing at Scale is Working with Daniela Rodriguez & Andre Ramirez-Cedeno of Neems Jeans
2026/03/03
The custom fit of bespoke clothing with the efficiency and scale of factory production: this is the sweet spot that so many fashion businesses are aiming for. However, finding this sweet spot can be as difficult as finding a pair of jeans that fits just right. Daniela Rodriguez and Andre Ramirez-Cedeno of Neems Jeans have found both. Traditional manufacturing is still evolving and the technology is still emerging. In episode 132, we look at what is working and what still needs work when it comes to custom clothing production.
Daniela Rodriguez-Firmani and Andre Ramirez-Cedeno are the co-founders of Neems Jeans, a fashion-tech company using AI body-scanning technology to create custom-fit jeans for every body. Both Miami natives and Northwestern graduates, Dani and Andre worked as management consultants before their personal frustrations changed everything: they could never find jeans that fit perfectly.
In 2020, they launched Neems together - armed with zero fashion experience but fierce determination to solve a problem millions face every time they shop for denim. Together, they've scaled Neems into a rapidly growing seven-figure brand serving thousands of customers internationally, challenging the myth of standard sizing while proving that innovation and sustainability can coexist. Their mission: make clothing that fits people, not the other way around.
This episode explores:
Fitting the customer
Why Neems isn’t constrained to fitting one customer niche
The biggest customer segments for Neems and what that says about the fit of off-the-rack options
How Daniela and Andre overcome skepticism from customers
Fitting the lifestyle
The point-of-no-return investment that Daniela and Andre made
How Neems production has evolved through different stages of the business’ life
How Daniela and Andre arrived at the price point for their custom jeans
Fitting the values
The vision and values that keeps them going even when things are hard
The different reasons why customers buy Neems
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
Neems Jeans website
Neems Jeans Instagram
Choozr body scanning/measuring technology
Tukatech pattern software and machinery
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Viral Growth Without Abandoning Your Joy or Values with Kelsey Campion of Fringe + Co.
2026/02/17
If there is one thing that entrepreneurs face every day, it is choices. Some choices are deliberate and planned in advance. Others are made last-minute when something unexpected happens – like a 13 second video going viral when the featured product is already sold out. With every choice, you get to choose the type of life and business you want to run.
This is just what Kelsey Campion has been doing for the past 10 years. She is the founder and Chief Sequin Officer of Fringe + Co and my guest in this episode 131. What started in her spare bedroom, grew into a thriving brand that supports color, celebration, and her local New Orleans community. With each stage of her business – even when the decisions haven’t been so sparkly and fun – Kelsey has chosen to transparently live by her values.
Kelsey Campion is the founder and Chief Sequin Officer of Fringe + Co., a New Orleans–based fashion brand rooted in celebration, color, and community. She started Fringe + Co. over 10 years ago out of her 200-square-foot spare bedroom, building the business from the ground up with creativity, grit, and a belief that getting dressed should feel like a party.
As the brand grew, Kelsey faced a turning point: scaling production without sacrificing her values. Determined to keep manufacturing local and ethical, she partnered with a New Orleans manufacturer for four years. In 2021, a single viral video changed everything — accelerating the business and creating the opportunity to purchase that very manufacturer in 2022.
Today, Kelsey not only produces Fringe + Co. locally, but also manufactures for other brands, helping founders bring their ideas to life while keeping production ethical, transparent, and community-driven. Her work and story have been featured on The Today Show, she’s been scouted by Shark Tank, and she continues to advocate for small-batch manufacturing, creative entrepreneurship, and building businesses that don’t require burning out or going it alone.
This episode explores:
Fitting the customer
How Kesley designs pieces that go beyond parades and special occasions
Why Kelsey is super transparent with her customers about the behind the scenes of her business
Why Kelsey describes herself as a “selfish creative” and how that has served her business
How Kesley makes Fringe + Co more accessible to people despite a higher price point
Fitting the lifestyle
Why Kelsey has been feeling a bit bored in her business right now and what she’s doing to bring creativity back
How going viral forced Kelsey and her team to systematize the business
How the city Fringe is part of (New Orleans) influences the brand
How running a fashion business for over a decade transforms your lifestyle
Fitting the values
The values Kesley will never leave behind as her business grows
How Fringe customers became some of the biggest advocates for Kelsey’s business values
The points where growth can test your values
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
Fringe + Co. website
Fringe + Co. Instagram
Fringe Factory Instagram
Kelsey’s email
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Is Your Sizing Actually Good For Your Customer or Just Your Brand with Rick Levine and Steven Heard of ApparelWerks
2026/02/03
We think that offering different sizes is serving our customers, but is it actually? Does standard sizing make it easier for the customer or does it just make it easier for the brand? Rick Levine and Steven Heard have thoughts.
They’ve each run multiple manufacturing businesses in different industries and are currently partners of the made-to-measure development and manufacturing studio ApparelWerks. No matter the business, their goal with product design, fit, and sizing has been the same: make each customer insanely happy. It impacts how they see production, technology, entrepreneurship, craftsmanship, customer relationships, and more. In episode 130, we cover it all.
Steven and Rick were introduced when Rick was looking into body scanning for a problem his daughter, an engineer, was trying to solve. "There's a guy in Portland who's been making customized clothing for decades. He knows all about scanners and measurement."
They discovered a shared appreciation for manufacturing technology, a fascination with old sewing machines, and a view that tech is only a means to an end; their past businesses were focused on making customers happy. Both were also looking for something new and interesting to do, and the result was starting ApparelWerks, a manufacturing and product development studio in Portland creating made-to-measure clothing.
Steven Heard has decades of experience making clothing, starting at the Levi Strauss factory on Valencia Street in San Francisco, at a time when all patterns and samples for the company were still created there. He was a senior pattern-maker for Levi's Dockers brand, and went on to spearhead the world’s first large-scale bespoke jeans production, leveraging body scanning technology to craft custom jeans for thousands of consumers. He founded pattern service bureau Clinton Park, doing garment development and pattern work for numerous national and start-up brands, and developed a reputation for being the go-to patternmaker for denim development. He went on to found Japanese-inspired San Francisco denim and workwear brand Dillon Montara in 2014, and was the development and manufacturing partner behind Portland's Ship John brand.
Rick Levine is the engineering black sheep in a family of artists. His father was a ceramist and designer, making and using tools to create mid-century ceramic tile and lamps on a large scale. Rick spent a lot of his time growing up around clay and machinery. Rick started his career as a producer and editor for film and video, and stepped sideways into programming tools and user interfaces for computer systems. He worked at Sun Microsystems early in its existence, and then at a series of start-ups. In 2006, Rick followed his interest in manufacturing automation to found chocolate brand Sun Cups. He repurposed industrial-scale chocolate techniques to create artisanal, organic, nut-free chocolates and made them available in thousands of stores. In 2013, he and his brother, designer Neil Levine, founded sock company XOAB, focusing on creating comfortable socks with a broad palette of Merino wool and Supima® cotton colors. They created a domestic supply chain, and used modified knitting machines and pattern analysis software to take new designs from sketch to shelf in less than a week, a capability unique in the hosiery industry.
This episode explores:
Fitting the customer
Why the garment won’t fit unless you’ve had a conversation with the customer
The difference between solving fit for your brand versus solving fit for your customer
The advantages and limitations of 3D body scanning for apparel development
How they know when they got the fit right
Fitting the lifestyle
Scaling on-demand production
How one-piece production flow changes the way you see efficiency
How Rick’s and Steven’s background lead to their perspectives on manufacturing
The tools Rick and Steven use to systemetize custom clothing
Fitting the values
Why there’s value in both craft and technology
Why Rick has a “healthy disrespect” for tools
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
ApparelWerks website
Dillon Montara website
ApparelWerks Instagram
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Maintaining Creative Habits and Values As the World Changes with Bergen Anderson of Lilla Barn
2026/01/21
As people in creative fields, many of us can look back and see how our activities and interests as a child led to the work we do today. We may have grown up and grown out of clothes along the way, but some things never change. Creativity and other values that are important to us show up in our adult life through our fashion businesses.
This is certainly true for today’s guest Bergen Anderson. Her brand, Lilla Barn, makes colorful and sustainable clothes for kids and grownups alike.
As a lifelong sewist, Bergen Anderson started Lilla Barn in order to make colorful, genderless, sustainable, baby clothes that stand out in a world of pinks and blues. In the last 12 years, she has grown her brand to include grown-up clothes, accessories, and homegoods including a storefront/studio in Andersonville, Illinois.
Inspired by visual artists who play with color and texture, her work is intended to bring joy, creativity, and individuality into everyday life. Bergen enjoys exploring the overlaps between traditional craft ("women's work"), modern textiles, and functional fine art. As a slow fashion advocate, she believes the personal is political and that our consumer habits and creating habits should align with our values.
This episode explores:
Fitting the customer
Why Bergen designs what she likes even though she is technically no longer her own target customer
Bergen’s process for patternmaking and sizing and its pros and cons for fit
Fitting the lifestyle
The hardest part about hiring a small team for Lilla Barn
The extent that creative habits are intertwined with personal and business lifestyles
The projects Bergen wants to take on in her business once she has a bigger team
How opening a retail space changed Lilla Barn’s business model
Fitting the values
How to communicate brand values in a way that is meaningful and relevant even as the broader culture changes around us
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
Lilla Barn website
Lilla Barn email
Lilla Barn Instagram
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Breaking From the Fashion Calendar with Intention with Dana Mortada of dal the label
2026/01/06
Fashion expects a lot from designers. It expects you to release new collections at a set seasonal schedule. It expects you to just know the right people and know where to find a good production partner (because as you know, some of the best factories don’t even have websites). It expects you to show up on social media to sell. These expectations can run your life if you let them.
Dana Mortada doesn’t let them. She gave up the traditional wholesale calendar and the pressure that came with it. Her four-year-old brand, dal the label, now releases new capsules on a flexible schedule that works for her. In episode 128, Dana shares how far she’s come by following intention instead of expectations.
dal the label is a California womenswear brand redefining modern luxury through elevated essentials. Founded by designer Dana Mortada, the brand focuses on timeless, ethical pieces designed in Los Angeles and made to be worn again and again. Each collection reflects a commitment to intentional design, quality craftsmanship, and a slower, more thoughtful way of dressing.
This episode explores:
Fitting the customer
Why simple designs are harder to fit
The marks of craftsmanship that Dana designs for and looks for in clothing
Fitting the lifestyle
Why Dana doesn’t want the traditional fashion calendar to run her life and instead releases capsules whenever she is ready
What makes Dana say dal has come a long way since first launching in 2022
The biggest challenge Dana is trying to solve on the business side
Why Dana moved some of her production overseas
Fitting the values
How long clothes last depends on the designer and the consumer
How Dana answers the question of “does the world need another fashion brand?” based on her values
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
Dal the Label website
Dal the Label email
Dal the Label Instagram
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Why This Brand Launched Without Social Media and What They Did Instead with Maria Alejandra Alvarado of ZADIMA
2025/11/18
Changing algorithms, the constant time investment, and, with the rise of AI, even more content to compete with for customers’ attention make many of us want to avoid social media altogether. However, it can seem like a necessary evil. Isn’t every brand on social platforms? But what if staying off socials as a fashion brand isn’t just the right choice for your mental health as a founder, but also for your business strategy?
This is the choice that Maria Alejandra Alvarado has made for her luxury workwear brand ZADIMA. In episode 127, she shares how she’s connecting with people to market her brand instead of competing with algorithms. For Maria, it felt like a natural fit that aligns with her business.
María Alejandra Alvarado is a marketing leader with nearly 15 years of experience shaping brand and product launch strategies for global companies. For the past three years, she’s been building ZADIMA — a brand born from her desire to help modern professionals dress beautifully and intentionally, without adding more decisions to already full days.
Frustrated by the lack of color, personality, and quality in workwear, María set out to create pieces that combine great tailoring, elegant silhouettes, and luxurious Italian fabrics. Each garment is crafted from exquisite Italian deadstock textiles in a woman-owned atelier in Manhattan’s Garment District, designed to make women feel confident, polished, and effortlessly themselves.
This episode explores:
Fitting the customer
The smart questions Maria asked while gathering customer research
The ways that knowing her customer helped Maria make decisions about fabric, designs, and colors
Fitting the lifestyle
How the lifestyle of the Zadima customer shaped the marketing strategy
The practical ways Maria generates word-of-mouth referrals
How Maria represents her brand as the founder
How Maria prioritizes tasks in her business
Fitting the values
Why Maria decided to produce her collection in NY
How Maria uses AI tools in alignment with her relationships and quality-focused business values
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
ZADIMA website
ZADIMA email
Maria’s LinkedIn
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Intentional Fashion Looks Different as a Founder with Lucielle Salomon of ARIMMA
2025/11/04
In slow fashion, we like being intentional with our clothing choices. We want our wardrobes to be aligned with what we care about and how we live. It is a reassuring kind of intention. Then there is another type of intention that affects fashion founders – the way we intend things to go. We have intentions for the launch, product development timelines, or what it means to be a good founder.
But as anyone who has started a business knows, things don’t always go quite as intended. So how do we balance intention and reality? In episode 126, ARIMMA founder Lucielle Salomon shares how she moved past her assumptions about what it means to be a founder and finally launched her brand. Through the process, she now sees fashion in a new light.
Lucielle Salomon is a Dominican-American founder, fashion editor and storyteller advocating for a slower, more soulful approach to style and business. With a background in journalism and a sharp editorial eye, she blends thoughtful design with meaningful storytelling, inviting her audience to dress with intention, find beauty in the everyday and redefine what success looks like through a values-first lens.
She is the founder of ARIMMA, an on-demand women's wear brand rooted in romantic silhouettes, timeless details and environmental responsibility. Every piece is crafted only after it's ordered—minimizing waste, reducing overproduction and creating space for clothing to be made with care. ARIMMA designs use natural or low-impact materials and are constructed with durability, emotion and longevity in mind.
Through her Substack newsletter, Woven Letters, and growing digital platforms, Lucielle shares a curated blend of sustainable fashion finds, emerging brands, and everyday rituals—from what she's wearing to how she's slowing down. As a mother of two, she also explores the intersection of creativity, motherhood and entrepreneurship, offering a rare behind-the-scenes look at building a conscious business without burning out. Lucielle is available for interviews, panels, collaborations, and essays that explore the future of fashion, identity-driven entrepreneurship and intentional living.
This episode explores:
Fitting the customer
How Lucielle follows feelings, not trends with her designs
The part of development that was the biggest challenge for Lucielle
Fitting the lifestyle
What Lucielle would do differently now if she was starting over
How our mindset can hinder or help us in entrepreneurship
What Lucielle thought a good founder lifestyle should look like and why that didn’t work for her
Why Lucielle didn’t go all out for the launch
Fitting the values
How becoming a founder changed what Lucielle values about fashion
Why Lucielle reached out to factories before she even had designs
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
Arimma website
Arimma Instagram
Lucielle’s Instagram
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Consistency or Newness: What It Takes To Get To A Decade In Fashion Business with Erin Gray Morton of erin gray
2025/10/21
Newness builds excitement, but consistency builds trust. Which one will get your brand to a decade in business? Erin Gray Morton just celebrated ten years of her gold-filled jewelry and premium tee shirt line erin gray. The brand has grown to being stocked in over 800 boutiques. To get there, Erin and her team have prioritized relationships while figuring out how to make each wholesale show feel new with basics products that are more timeless than trendy.
In episode 125, hear the ways erin gray builds trust with customers and the boutiques that buy wholesale from them, how Erin keeps herself from a lifestyle of overworking even when she loves what she does, and how Erin structured the business model and pricing from the very beginning to allow giving back to causes she values.
erin gray is a female-owned and operated brand from Atlanta designing elevated essentials with a touch of luxury. Their customers primarily love them for two things: their cult-favorite Pima cotton tees and refined tops that offer high-end style at accessible prices and our 14k gold-filled waterproof jewelry, which wears like solid gold without the high cost.
Erin built this brand from the ground up and the brand is now featured in more than 800 boutiques nationwide. Giving back is our heart - Erin lost her mother to cancer, so supporting cancer research is at the core. The atmosphere at erin gray's Atlanta warehouse is fun, respectful, flexible, family-oriented and customer-focused. The team gets things done without compromising the things and people who matter to them the most.
This episode explores:
Fitting the customer
The ways erin gray builds trust with customers and the boutiques that buy wholesale from them
The effort that went into developing the best basic white tee (because simple is never simple!)
How erin gray creates newness at each wholesale market with a basic, timeless product
Why Erin thinks wholesale shows will never go away
Fitting the lifestyle
What they did differently when erin gray introduced apparel alongside their jewelry line
How Erin keeps herself from overworking even when she loves what she does
How Erin has expanded her team over the years
The benefits of a long wholesale design and development calendar
What to do when you get bored of your product before it even launches
Fitting the values
How Erin structured the business model and pricing from the very beginning to allow giving back to causes she values
Ways your business can give back to causes you care about beyond cash donations
Why customer service is so important for the success of erin gray
People and resources mentioned in this episode:
Erin Gray website
Erin Gray email
Erin Gray Instagram
Erin’s LinkedIn
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SarahWatt 2025/04/06
Inspirational
Alison is an intelligent and inquisitive host who brings us amazing brand stories. It’s always a treat hearing the details that have shaped each journ...
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p.dad 2025/02/15
Super informative podcast!
This podcast is extremely informative on so many levels. Hearing other designers stories makes you feel not so alone, and always learning from their h...
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Amy Barnhart 2020/09/05
Interesting and informative
Love this podcast! I enjoy learning about different aspects of the fashion industry that I’m not as familiar with through Alison and her guests. Alis...
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