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ACIM - reading in the Song of Prayer. Chapter 3, Verse 5 Reading and Interpretation of "Song of Prayer" Verse 5: The group returned to their reading, starting with Song of Prayer, Chapter 3, Verse 5. Jevon Perra interpreted the text through the analogy of life as an "open hand," where pain and suffering arise from gripping too tightly to things they love or fighting things they dislike. Freedom comes from being willing to accept or lose everything, which releases internal fighting against the world. Prayer for Goals and the Cost of Enemies: Soo Kim read a passage stating that prayers for external gifts like things, status, or human love are requests that set up "jailers" and hide guilt, distorting the purpose of prayer. These lesser goals are lost in the quest for God and turn prayer into requests for enemies, with the crucial point that "All other goals are at the cost of God". Jevon Perra explained that their own prayer or judgment creates the enemies in their life, such as an inconsiderate mother or an idiot driver, highlighting how they trade "heaven for some silly thing" like being mad in traffic over a small distance. Serving One Master and Expansive vs. Contracted States: Soo Kim connected the idea of trading goals for God to the biblical concept that "you can only serve one master," as they are polar opposites. The group concluded that this is because the two paths are incompatible: one leads to an expansive energetic state and the other to a contracted state. Brian Genovese interjected, asking if the *Course of Miracles* principle involves using the Holy Spirit as the instrument of guidance. The Holy Spirit and Blaming God for Suffering: Jevon Perra affirmed that the Holy Spirit is the voice of God and the only true source of guidance in the dream of life. Brian Genovese questioned whether negative impulses, such as road rage, should be checked against the Holy Spirit. The speakers discussed the common tendency to blame God for bad things, noting that, in the context of the course, suffering is a "fantasy perception" based on the belief in bodies that can die and lose things. The Value of Suffering and Comparison in Perception: Jevon Perra argued that many painful experiences, like horror movies or intense drama, are enjoyed when framed in the "right context," but disliked when they violate a personal preference. The conversation related this to the *Truman Show*, where a character orchestrates their life only to reject it. Soo Kim affirmed that comparison is necessary for the human brain to define what it likes, establishing a "baseline". Suffering and Baseline Adjustment: The group agreed that difficulty and suffering can be valuable for creating a new baseline, allowing people to appreciate a simpler life. The discussion moved to the idea that the brain requires contrast, like the experiment where kittens failed to develop the ability to see certain patterns without prior exposure. Similarly, Aboriginal people raised in the jungle could not assimilate the sight of the ocean and ships because they had no "far away things" in their experience. Life as an Adventurous Dream: Jevon Perra presented an analogy of life as an adventurous dream chosen by the dreamer, where they eventually opt to experience even things like being "the loser" or "a failure" for the sake of adventure, which suggests that there is "no enemy" and that everything is "from God". Praying with Others and the Release of Differences: Soo Kim read the next passage, "Praying with others," stating that joining in prayer becomes possible once the need to see the other as an enemy is questioned. The barrier to shared goals is "difference," while the vision of Christ relies on "similarities". Jevon Perra observed that humans are "difference machines," obsessed with tiny variations, which leads to judgment, whereas focusing on sameness can lead to finding friends and common ground. The Role of Separateness and Evolution in Thinking: Jevon Perra suggested that the base ingredient for suffering is thinking oneself as separate, and suffering is proportional to how tightly one holds onto the belief in their separateness. They contrasted the traditional mindset of working 40 years for retirement with the contemporary thinking of younger generations, who expect abundance now, suggesting this is a beneficial "evolution in thinking". The True Aim of Prayer: Cause and Forgiveness: Soo Kim read a final passage, which emphasized that those who pray together should ask "what is the will of God," because praying for specifics or effects without the proper cause is insufficient. Jevon Perra interpreted the text to mean that the "cause" for happiness is not the desired "effect" (the list of things to be happy), but rather "forgiveness," which is the release of judgment that can happen immediately. Releasing the Present from Past Illusions: The final passage read by Soo Kim stated that praying for specifics is asking to repeat the past, but the aim of prayer is to "release the present from its chains of past illusions" and to accept the newborn chance to free oneself from all constraints. Jevon Perra affirmed this as a profound conclusion. The Transitory Nature of Earthly Desires: Soo Kim and Jevon Perra discussed that everything time-bound eventually crumbles into dust, suggesting that external solutions derived from earthly desires will not ultimately fulfill them. Jevon Perra used the example of their two young sons, Charlie and Oliver, noting that Charlie only wants whatever Oliver possesses, demonstrating a comparison-based desire that changes constantly. The Illusion of Happiness Through Comparison: Jevon Perra explained that this external comparison model is applied to adult life, where people seek happiness based on what they observed in the past or in others. They cited social media as an example, where posted pictures of apparent happiness often conceal intense effort, conflict, and pleading used just to capture the image. This external viewing leads others to wish for the "happy life" they see, even if the person in the picture is simultaneously wishing for a different life.

Beginning the Discussion on Praying for Others: The group shifted topics to "A Course in Miracles," specifically "The Song of Prayer," and began reading the section "Praying for Others". The reading established that prayer is always for oneself, and prayer for others, when rightly understood, helps the individual release projections of guilt from their sibling. Jevon Perra noted that the idea of praying for others is sometimes approached with a "scarcity mentality," believing that giving prayer diminishes one's own benefit.The Projection of Guilt and the Creation of Enemies: Jevon Perra discussed how the perception of an enemy is a self-creation, similar to the placebo effect, where one creates an experience of "enemy" instead of "friend". They shared a story of a town guru who was saddened by the death of the town's antagonist, stating the "a-hole" was their best friend and teacher for revealing the guru's remaining judgments. Jevon Perra concluded that the world is a projection, suggesting that sickness and wellness are experiences created from within.The Fear of Annihilation and Cherishing Guilt: The conversation returned to the idea that people "cherish our guilt" because the world is projected from this guilt, which is tied to the fear of annihilation or the end of a separate, special self. Jevon Perra explained that wishing hell on another means that the state of wishing hell must come through oneself first, so freeing one's sibling also brings salvation to themself. Brian Genovese connected this to the ego-building competition often seen in churches regarding who has "saved" the most people.Prayer and Vengeful God: Soo Kim read that the lowest forms of prayer are fueled by envy and malice, calling for vengeance, and asking upon a "vengeful God" who seems to answer them. Jevon Perra noted that those who are in hell can ask for help, but those who have accepted forgiveness could never make such a prayer. The group also discussed how religious systems often create a multi-level marketing scheme, where the highest levels of spiritual attainment are always just out of reach.The Internal Source of Love and Experience: Denise Darlene emphasized that feelings of love, compassion, and kindness come through the individual, not from outside sources. Jevon Perra agreed that assigning an external source to determine one's love is the flaw in romantic notions. Denise Darlene used the analogy of a person smoking in front of a mirror and telling the reflection to quit, illustrating that the reflection (external reality) will not change until the person (internal state) changes first.Self-Regulation and External Judgment: Soo Kim asked about the feeling of seeing someone else doing what one self-regulates against, such as having an emotional meltdown that derails a class discussion. Jevon Perra identified this as basic projection, where one's own unallowed behavior is projected onto others. Denise Darlene suggested Soo Kim research the Enneagram type one, the "reformer," to understand the patterns of the ego that limit their experience and struggles with justice.The Enneagram and Temperament: Soo Kim acknowledged that their results on the Enneagram test had been inconsistent in the past, unlike their consistent Myers-Briggs results. Jevon Perra explained that the Enneagram identifies dominant "go-to" temperaments that are helpful for framing one's behavior without the heaviness of being identified *as* the anger. Jevon Perra further discussed three ways the "Course" can be used: as magic to get what is wanted, for personality development, and ultimately, to realize that one is "none of it".The Value of the "Don't Know Mind": The conversation shifted to the importance of approaching life with an "innocent mind" and avoiding the assignment of meaning or judgment. Brian Genovese related this to the biblical story of Adam and Eve, who were innocent until they ate the apple, which represented the knowledge of judgment. Denise Darlene suggested the practice of being a "witness" to the "movie" of life, where everything is neutral until one places meaning upon it.Innocence, Wonder, and Social Constructs: Denise Darlene spoke about the innocence and wonder of a baby's mind, which operates in a state of hypnosis and curiosity before being programmed by the world. Jevon Perra noted that societal constructs force people to adhere to predetermined agreements to be "a little bit miserable" all the time, preventing expressions of love and joy with strangers. Soo Kim related the concept of the "don't know mind" to the relief experienced during travel or intense practices like Bufo, which cause temporary identity loss.The Ego's Security and the Invitation to Trust: Denise Darlene stated that the ego bases its security on the belief that it knows, and acknowledging "I don't know" raises the fear of the unknown. This fear of the unknown is described as an invitation to trust and merge with the "I am". Soo Kim recounted a negative classroom experience of a classmate screaming and accusing others of racism, which Denise Darlene reframed as potentially the "best thing for them to do" as a teacher, setting up a lesson.Experiences of Childhood Conditioning and Attachment: Denise Darlene recounted an experience with a 70-year-old participant in their women's spiritual group who had a difficult childhood, which included a cruel mother and an attempted killing by their father at age three. This individual, who is an atheist, had never trusted anyone and believed that opening up for a friendship would inevitably lead to loss, resulting in non-attachment to any human or animal. Denise Darlene contrasted this with their own similar experience that led them toward love, suggesting that they both required the specific teachers they had, possibly chosen before birth, for their soul's mission.The Metaphorical Story of the Angel and Forgiveness: Jevon Perra shared an incomplete story about two angels, one of whom wanted to experience forgiveness. The story outlines that in order to experience forgiveness, one must have something to forgive, which requires the cooperation of a second angel who must commit an act worthy of forgiveness. The second angel agrees to play this necessary role, but the first angel is cautioned that the second angel will forget they are an angel and that the first angel must remember that the second angel is a friend and an angel there to love them.Alternative Perspective on Adversity and Roles: The story’s gist is that people, including those perceived as "assholes" or attackers, are playing a crucial role by accepting a large personal cost to provide others with a necessary experience. Denise Darlene agreed that this perspective is sacrificial and supported the idea of adopting perspectives that are empowering rather than limiting, regardless of their literal truth. They suggested that these alternative viewpoints allow for a happier or better experience concerning the idea of love.

Spoiler, it's surrender. Locating the Reading Material: The participants confirmed they were reading "The Song of Prayer," located behind the manual for teachers in *A Course in Miracles*. Soo Kim identified the current section as the top of page four, specifically chapter two, "The Ladder of Prayer," starting at paragraph four. Reading on Praying for One's Enemies: Soo Kim read a passage describing the contradiction of "praying for one's enemies". The passage explains that the contradiction lies not in the words but in the interpretation, suggesting that having enemies limits one's prayer and ability to receive. The text advises individuals to pray for themself so they "may not seek to imprison Christ and thereby lose the recognition of your own identity".Interpretation of Prayer, Needs, and Enemies: Jevon Perra interpreted the reading as prayer being an "energetic state" that determines the world one sees—either separation and guilt or love and unity. They noted that the "sinless have no needs" because they choose the Holy Spirit's world, where enemies disappear, emphasizing that being a "traitor to no one" means not being "treacherous to yourself".Discussion on Judgment and Sinlessness: Denise Darlene elaborated on the concept of oneness, explaining that judging another, or treating them as an enemy, means judging oneself. They stated that the "sinless have no needs" because they have "no guilt" and do not believe in separation from God or one another, eliminating problems in perception.Personal Example of Anger and Enemy Creation: Jevon Perra shared a personal anecdote about becoming violently angry at another man in a crowded sauna who wanted them to move. They recognized that they created an enemy through their "filters" and judgments, ready to engage in a "physical battle".Relationships as Lessons in Love and the Danger of Agendas: Denise Darlene referenced *A Course in Miracles*, suggesting that "under his teaching all relationships become a lesson in love" and that everyone should be viewed as a teacher. Denise Darlene further noted that having an ego-driven agenda leads to trouble and suffering, contrasting it with the guidance of asking, "What would you have me do? Where would you have me go? What would you have me say? And to whom?".The Enemy as a Symbol of Imprisoned Christ: Soo Kim read paragraph five, which defines an enemy as "the symbol of an imprisoned Christ". The prayer for enemies is therefore "a prayer for your own freedom," unifying Christ and recognizing their sinlessness. Jevon Perra affirmed this by noting that having an enemy experience or a friend experience is a projection coming through them, confirming, "There is no outside of me that happens that is independent of me".Forgiveness as Removing Judgment: The discussion turned to forgiveness, which Soo Kim defined as choosing to view a person "just doing the best they can and nothing they do can hurt us". Jevon Perra clarified that forgiveness in this context means "removing your judgment" without labeling actions as good or bad, allowing for an experience of being "whole, complete with the father".Reframing Offense and Unconscious Guilt: Denise Darlene offered a framework for handling offense, stating that when someone is perceived as disrespecting you, they are projecting their unconscious guilt onto you, and the action is "never about you". They suggested that one can turn this inward and ask where they disrespect themself, which reveals a belief in separation from God and guilt.Relating Guilt and Ego to the Enneagram: Jevon Perra connected the underlying issue of guilt to the Enneagram's concept of darkness, which temperaments are formed to avoid. They shared that their own negative day and desire to "beat up a kid" stemmed from the feeling of being unworthy of love and being a "poser" or "pretender".Continuing the Reading and the Meaning of Prayer: Soo Kim read the next paragraph, which confirms that prayer "is always for yourself," and that truly praying for enemies leads to one's own salvation. The reading describes true prayer as a "song of thanks to your creator, sung without words or thoughts or vain desires," rising from a state of identity in Christ where "there is no lack".Discussion of Michael Singer's 'Surrender Experiment': Jevon Perra introduced Michael Singer's *The Surrender Experiment* as an example of surrender, noting that the premise was to say yes to anything asked. Denise Darlene clarified that Singer committed to saying yes for 10 years to see how life would unfold under God's guidance, which he extended to 40 years.Singer's Success and Human Design: Denise Darlene recounted that Singer, who started living in a van, became the founder of WebMD, built several companies, and is now a billionaire, despite never desiring money. Denise Darlene also categorized Singer as a "responder, a sacral open sacral responder" in Human Design, waiting for and responding to invitations.Relinquishing Judgment as Releasing the Tether: Jevon Perra connected Singer's story to the idea that having an enemy or being a traitor stems from "an attachment to something else" and believing "I know a better way". They compared judgment to the ties holding down a Goodyear blimp, concluding that releasing one's own judgment is terrifying but necessary for natural lift and peace.Unlearning the Ego's Ways: Denise Darlene reinforced the teaching that "I do not know my own best interest," stating that believing one knows what they want or need leads to trouble. They emphasized that the ego's conditioning is contrary to the ways of the spirit, requiring them to "unlearn and unwind" those conditioned ways.The Role of Willingness: Denise Darlene stressed that the spiritual path is like learning a new language, which is challenging. They concluded that only a "tiny willingness" is required for the Holy Spirit to move on one's behalf, likening it to the boy who brought fish and bread to feed 5,000 people.Final Passage and the Illusion of the Ladder: Soo Kim finished the chapter, defining God as the goal of every prayer and noting that prayer is an illusion because "there is no need for a ladder to reach what one has never left". Jevon Perra noted the irony that all spiritual practices are a "ladder of some sort" trying to get people to where they already are.Self-Perception and the Ego's Voice: Brian Genovese shared that their upbringing was filled with "fire and brimstone" that created a "bad self-image". Denise Darlene reassured them that the voice that makes them feel like a "poser" or a "fraud" is the voice of the ego, which they can learn to recognize and turn away from.Collective Thoughts and Peaceful Environments: Denise Darlene suggested that thoughts can be part of the "collective thoughts," which people energetically pick up. They shared that the remote location of their residence is peaceful because it lacks the "density of collective thoughts" found in more populated areas like Orange County.

My crazy is less painful when I watch and stay aware.

Processing Anger and Judgment: Soo Kim wondered if their strong judgments during mass were an opportunity for personal growth or just reinforced their ego in believing others are wrong. Jevon Perra suggested that writing a personal sermon in their phone during mass, which often served as a "wonderful affirmation" for themself, was a helpful way to cope. Jevon Perra also stated that the corrections they had for the priest always applied to themself, revealing their own hidden judgment.Attending Mass Due to Family Obligations: Soo Kim explained that they attended the Catholic mass because of their parents, despite the emotional cost. When their parents offered money for the collection basket, Soo Kim ignored them to avoid confrontation, having previously told them they would not participate. Soo Kim’s mother appreciated their attendance, viewing it as a success for her own "fantasy life".Catholic Views on Salvation: Denise Darlene shared a story about a friend's father contemplating death and worrying about their son possibly going to purgatory for leaving the Church. Jevon Perra noted that purgatory is "gracious" because people can "earn their way out of that," in contrast to other Christian denominations. The conversation noted the mechanistic nature of Catholicism, where doing and saying the required things are more important than believing or meaning them.Definition of Prayer in A Course in Miracles: The group began reading from *A Course in Miracles*, defining prayer as a continuous state of being, not just words or actions. Prayer in its asking form stems from a sense of scarcity and lack, which involves feelings of weakness and inadequacy. The text suggests that without guilt, there is no scarcity, and "the sinless have no needs".Overcoming Judgment in Religious Settings: Soo Kim described how attending mass forces them to constantly filter out what they do not believe, making it difficult to maintain a peaceful state. Jevon Perra countered that they handle similar situations by remembering that their job is not to save people but to forgive, which means letting go of judgment. Jevon Perra concluded that they can choose to meditate or tune out the parts that do not interest them.Reframing Experience as a Witness: Denise Darlene advised Soo Kim to adopt the role of a witness rather than a participant to avoid emotional investment. They suggested viewing the church service from a "technical standpoint," like watching a movie with fascination, acknowledging that everyone is innocent in their current level of belief and ignorance. Denise Darlene emphasized that a miracle is simply changing one’s perspective from fear to love.Identifying the Root of Anger: Soo Kim expressed that the church made them impure and instilled guilt by literally teaching them to strike their heart and state that their faults were their great offense. Jevon Perra noted that being upset with the priests for judging them means Soo Kim is simultaneously judging the priests with the same judgment. Denise Darlene added that anger reveals pre-existing guilt and shame within Soo Kim, who would otherwise not be bothered.Forgiveness as Letting Go: Jevon Perra affirmed that offenders are a "gift" because they reveal personal judgments. They shared that letting go of the offense and the judgment is what forgiveness entails. Jevon Perra concluded that the negative experiences only remain real if one holds on to the offense, and that peace comes from letting go of judgments about how the world or people should be.The Choice of Perspective: Denise Darlene noted that anger arises from feeling powerless, and that awareness of the anger allows one to choose a different response. They reiterated that no one, including the priests, can act differently than they are doing right now because they do not have the same level of knowledge or awareness.Patterns, Conditions, and Awareness: Denise Darlene explained that individuals operate based on patterns and conditions established by what they have been taught and what is expected of them, such as going to church with their mother on Easter. They stressed that people cannot improve until they become aware of these conditions and are shown something different, suggesting the listener could be a catalyst for change. They noted that remaining angry limits one's experience on Earth, and encouraged the listener to choose differently without judgment, as judgment creates stagnation.Healing, Forgiveness, and Helping Others: Denise Darlene stated that the listener's experiences, including those from childhood, could serve a purpose, allowing them to help others once they heal, forgive, and understand how to navigate life. They emphasized that until a person moves past anger and finds clarity, they cannot effectively assist others. Jevon Perra affirmed these points, stating they receive this message.The Role of Innocence and Grace: Denise Darlene concluded the discussion by linking the ability to see others' innocence to one's ability to see their own innocence. They explained that understanding oneself as a child navigating a large and often incomprehensible world is key, and that true understanding is often shown through grace, not through personal intellect. They encouraged extending grace to both oneself and others.

Review of "The Song of Prayer" Text: The group transitioned to discussing their reading material, "The Song of Prayer," which Jevon Perra has read previously but has difficulty recalling. Jevon Perra confirmed they are working through Part One, likely starting on or around verse six. Interpretation of True Prayer and the Echo: Jevon Perra explained their interpretation of a line from verse three, "you can't ask for the echo because the song is the gift," suggesting that the echo represents the after-effects or external things people desire, such as money or a spa day. The true gift, the song of heaven, is the peace and contentment that they already possess, emphasizing that not one note of this song has ever been missed. Understanding Prayer as Acceptance and Communion: The discussion moved to verse six, which addresses how those who have not yet reached the level of fearlessly accepted prayer still need help. Jevon Perra highlighted that this type of prayer is not about trying to get God to change things, but rather about releasing judgments or waking up from the dream. Denise Darlene agreed, stating that true prayer is putting oneself in the presence of God—communion—rather than telling God problems. Prayer as Thanksgiving and the Concept of Namaste: Jevon Perra cited verse seven, explaining that praying to Christ in anyone is true prayer because it is a gift of thanks to the Father, referencing the concept of Namaste as acknowledging the divine presence in others. Denise Darlene noted that the power of prayer lies in it asking for nothing and receiving everything, describing it as a song of thanksgiving for what they already are. The Goal of Union with God vs. Worldly Achievement: Denise Darlene emphasized that everything God is is already theirs, and prayer is simply union with God, leading to a state of gratitude and bliss. Jevon Perra contrasted this with the worldly "accomplishment game" where people pray to change situations, seeking a desired result they label as "good" and avoiding an undesired result they label as "bad". Denise Darlene affirmed that everything unfolding is for their highest good, even undesired outcomes, because they often do not know their own best interests. Distinction Between Deserving and Best Interest: Soo Kim discussed their past experience of seeking a raise and being insulted instead, which ultimately led them to leave the company and receive a greater raise elsewhere. Denise Darlene pointed out that they got what they deserved, which was leaving the company, and that the entire sequence of events unfolded perfectly for their highest good. Denise Darlene cautioned against seeking external validation, stating that circumstances reflect what they inherently believe to be true about themselves. Three Ways to Interpret Life and the Role of Personality: Jevon Perra introduced three ways to interpret life: how to get what they want, how to develop their personality, and "Who am I?". They suggested that non-dual texts point to the third conversation, emphasizing that the personality is not the self, and thus the personality's achievements or failures do not affect the true self. Denise Darlene concluded that the ultimate desire is to awaken to the truth of being one with God, which often happens through adversity and challenges. The "Strongarming" Approach to Spiritual Practice: Soo Kim expressed an internal conflict, acknowledging the concept of divine union but still clinging to the idea that intense effort or a specific "formula" (like waking up at 3:45 AM for 40 days) is required to achieve desired outcomes. They asked how getting what they want is not the answer if achieving it still happens. Ego's Desire for Wanting and Responsibility: Denise Darlene cited *A Course in Miracles* stating the ego’s mantra is "seek but never find," constantly moving from one desire to the next. Denise Darlene explained that when one understands that God is their only source, everything is a gift, leading to gratitude and an experience of life as a surrendered vessel, which the ego resists because it loses the ability to take credit or assign blame. The "Game" of Life and the Roller Coaster Analogy: Jevon Perra suggested reframing the achievement pursuit as a game, noting that the trouble arises when they forget they are playing a game. Denise Darlene suggested a roller coaster analogy to visualize the concept that they are not the doer and are not changing the ride. Suffering as Resistance to Pain: Jevon Perra defined suffering as resistance to the experience they call pain, emphasizing that while circumstances (pain) may be scripted, suffering does not have to occur. Jevon Perra cited Victor Frankl's experience in a Nazi concentration camp to illustrate how changing the story—creating meaning—provided a reprieve from suffering without changing the underlying painful circumstances. Surrender During Difficult Experiences:

You can't ask for the echo. The song is the gift. ACIM. Song of Prayer  The participants decided to resume reading *A Course in Miracles*, specifically *The Song of Prayer*, after having read the introduction in the last session. They located the text, which is at the back of the book, in the section reserved for the "most spiritually advanced".Reading and Interpretation of "True Prayer" (Part 1): Soo Kim read the first section of "True Prayer," noting that prayer is a way to reach God, not merely a question or entreaty, and "it asks for nothing". Jevon Perra interpreted the core issue with typical prayer as wanting "to get God to do something".Understanding God's Answers and Experience: The group discussed the concept that true prayer is receiving what is already given, as opposed to asking for something specific, because the reality is already complete. They noted that the Holy Spirit provides answers that suit the level of need one can recognize, and the "real sound" is a "song of thanksgiving and of love". Jevon Perra commented that people often desire negative experiences, and the only proof that they want the experience is the fact that they are having it.The Role of the Holy Spirit and Letting Go: Jevon Perra discussed how the Holy Spirit gently brings people back to awareness and gives them moments of peace, which reminds them that their suffering comes from gripping an attachment to a specific plan. The process involves letting go of the "have to" and questioning how one’s life is "already perfect" underneath the frantic effort to make it different.Enneagram and the Belief in Lack: Soo Kim asked what belief drives the need to cling to attachments, suggesting it stems from a belief that one lacks something. Jevon Perra provided a brief overview of the core dispositions for Enneagram types one through eight, relating each to a particular lack they focus on, like 'not right,' 'needs help,' 'not enough to know,' or 'dangerous'.Desire for Separation and Ultimate Goal: Jevon Perra argued that all this focus on 'wrongness' distracts people from the 'darkness' so they can maintain separation and feel special. They asserted that the ultimate goal is to "stay Javon," leading Brian Genovese to jokingly suggest a line of "Enlightened Clothing" with a T-shirt for each Enneagram number.The Constant Song of Thanksgiving and Love: Jevon Perra circled back to the "real sound" being a song of thanksgiving and love, which serves as a constant comforting hope. They reflected on telling themself that "it's okay, it's going to be okay" when fearing they might fail their family. Brian Genovese related this concept to an old radio show called "Eggbach" that used the slogan "Everything's going to be okay" during the 1970s.The Definition of True Prayer and Eternity: Soo Kim read that "The secret of true prayer is to forget the things you think you need," and that asking for specifics is overlooked when those needs are given up to God. God "answers only for eternity," meaning the answers address one's ultimate completeness, not their requests based on attachment.Religious Contexts and Personal Attachment: Jevon Perra noted that while religious circles often demand adherence to God's will, the text points to a personal surrender of one's attachment to a particular result, which is the true source of suffering. They argued that no matter what one achieves, they will end up in the same mental state they are in now.The Concept of God as Love vs. a Person: Soo Kim recounted a conversation with Mormons about whether it is possible to disobey the will of God. They challenged the idea of God being a person, arguing that to be a person requires a limited perspective, which contradicts the concept of an all-knowing God.Highest State of Contentment: Jevon Perra proposed that the highest state for a human while in a body is contentment, which they define as wanting nothing else. They asserted that suffering arises from the lack of contentment and attachment, regardless of whether the attachment is to wealth or virtuous goals like wisdom or service.Prayer as Stepping Aside and Listening: Soo Kim read Verse five, which defines prayer as "a stepping aside, a letting go, a quiet time of listening and loving," rather than a supplication. This is a way of remembering one’s inherent holiness and is an offering of self "to be at one with love," leaving nothing left to want.Suffering and Control: Brian Genovese discussed how people are programmed to seek control and that the act of "Jesus, help me" is an expression of letting go. Jevon Perra agreed that people believe they would be better masters than the masters they currently work for.The Non-Judgmental View of Experience: Jevon Perra stressed that the activities people engage in, even those considered immoral, are not inherently bad because they are all part of an experience that is sought for the purpose of finding contentment. The issue is realizing that these behaviors are often not working to bring the desired happiness.Anecdote of Parental Frustration and Enforcement of Will: Jevon Perra shared a personal anecdote about their frustration with their eight-year-old child not going to bed, leading them to contemplate punishment. They realized that their suffering came from resisting the situation and attempting to enforce their will, thereby confirming that they were attached to a different outcome.Resistance to What Is Happening: Jevon Perra clarified that the course is focused on the resistance and attachment to a desired outcome, which actually gets them stuck and hinders their ability to change and achieve their goals. The resulting anger is an experience inflicted upon themself, which they suffer from because they are aware of the peaceful states available through forgiveness and letting go.Anger and the Earning of Goals: The group discussed whether anger is necessary to fight for goals, with Brian Genovese suggesting that if one does not suffer, they did not "earn it". Soo Kim suggested that the anger shows one cares about the goal.Anger as a Tool and the Enneagram Eight: Jevon Perra connected the use of anger to the Enneagram Eight temperament, where anger is a tool and a sign of authenticity and passion. They acknowledged that Eights have the power to be a "stronghold for a whole community," but reiterated that if one desires contentment, anger is not the state to pursue.Conclusion on Contentment and Attachment: Jevon Perra summarized that contentment, peace, and happiness are available now, and the story one tells themself about why they cannot have it is the thing to let go. They concluded that one should continue pursuing their goals but without being attached to the outcome or the specific method of achieving it, as attachment is what causes suffering.Discussion of Suffering and the Need to Be Special: Jevon Perra discussed how some individuals, whom they compare to the stereotypical number four personality type, are often creative and artistic but experience significant internal darkness because their unique, special, and separate identity is paramount. Soo Kim added that narcissists share this trait, finding the prospect of being ordinary to be the "worst thing". Brian Genovese described this focus on self-created struggles as "gourmet suffering".Connecting Disappointment to Personal Goals: Jevon Perra admitted that their personal goals were ultimately disappointing, contrary to the expectation that these goals would lead to happiness. Brian Genovese advised that happiness comes from being consistent and setting intentions without expectations, which helps in achieving goals while avoiding tension and stress.Strategy of Going with the Flow: Brian Genovese shared their approach to day-to-day life, which involves letting go of stress, setting a schedule based on incoming requests, and "going with the flow". This relaxed approach led Brian Genovese to realize that they could secure a consulting opportunity with developers for an entitlement project, demonstrating the benefit of putting themself out there. Jevon Perra acknowledged that they struggle with consistency in this strategy, admitting to being "good and bad" at going with the flow.Challenges to Maintaining Consistency: Brian Genovese admitted that certain situations, such as driving or dealing with people who attempt to undermine them, cause a negative reaction. Brian Genovese expressed that they have to constantly "block that back door" against others who attempt to override their decision-making abilities or try to show they are superior. Jevon Perra agreed that Brian Genovese should not let those individuals "get away with that".Concluding Thoughts on Contentment: As the meeting concluded, Jevon Perra reminded themself and the group of the importance of being "content". All participants shared thanks and expressed wishes for a good weekend.

Details The Importance of Willingness to Grow in Relationships: Jevon Perra contended that the most important factor in a relationship is that both individuals are curious and willing to learn and grow. They shared that their relationship with Carolyn was not initially romantic or monumental, but they decided to love them, which involved consistently trying and giving second chances. Non-Needy Approach in Jevon Perra's Relationship: Jevon Perra recounted that when Carolyn tried to break up with them multiple times, they reacted with non-resistance and playfulness, not begging them to stay. Jevon Perra stated that the reason people struggle with their partners is because they tend to view the partner as an extension of themselves, making their partner's mistakes feel like an intrusion on their own life. Carolyn's Life Shift and Temperament: Jevon Perra explained that their unwavering commitment to the relationship, which was based on open-heartedness and curiosity, allowed for a positive shift in Carolyn's temperament. Carolyn became more family-focused, stopped going out to bars with friends, and quit drinking alcohol due to getting sick, which was more conducive to Jevon Perra's own temperament. Making Everything Okay in Relationships: Jevon Perra summarized their key replicable relationship strategy as making "everything okay" and approaching conflict with curiosity, rather than judgment. This attitude is contrasted with marriage, where things are often deemed "not okay," although Jevon Perra believes even divorce should be seen as acceptable. Accepting Domesticated Life and Inner Fulfillment: Jevon Perra discussed their domesticated life, finding it neither exciting nor hateful, but clarifying that they would not want someone else's life. They realized that external accomplishments like money, a relationship, or fame will never bring lasting happiness, requiring them to seek fulfillment from within. Spiritual Practice and Redirection of Energy: Jevon Perra concluded that their solution is not distant because it is who they already are, but it requires redirecting their energy toward awareness rather than accomplishment. They noted that conversations like this are helpful because they serve as a reminder of what is already true, though they easily forget. New Perspective on Dating and Making Everything Fun: Jevon Perra reflected that if they were to date again, they would enjoy it more because they would approach every person with interest, not using the interaction to achieve a specific goal. They described their current spiritual practice as trying to make everything "wonderful and fine or at least okay," surrendering the things that bother them, and not taking anything personally. Transition to Course of Miracles Study: The speakers decided to transition to their scheduled study and agreed to continue with the "Song of Prayer," which is found after the Manual for Teachers in *A Course in Miracles*. They decided to begin by reading the introduction to the "Song of Prayer". Discussion of the "Song of Prayer" Introduction: Soo Kim read the initial passage, which describes prayer as the single voice shared by Creator and creation. Jevon Perra interpreted the text as highlighting that time does not truly exist, and that the "Song of Prayer" points to a beautiful unity where God and the Son (humanity) love everything. Prayer as a Means to Union: Soo Kim read a passage describing prayer as the means by which God's son abandons separate goals and interests for the "truth of union". Jevon Perra emphasized that religious and sacred texts are merely "a finger pointing to the moon," serving as a way to remember reality and achieve salvation, which is not about acquisition but about recollection. The Process of Forgiveness and Letting Go: Jevon Perra explained that suffering arises from striving for separate goals, and the solution is to let go of the idea that is causing distress, which is the course's definition of forgiveness. This process is customizable to the moment because the object of striving or anger changes constantly. Soo Kim's Struggle with External Validation and Work Guilt: Soo Kim shared that their recent distress was rooted in needing external validation, specifically feeling appreciated and acknowledged for their hard work. They also expressed guilt because, due to school, they no longer work overtime or perform their extensive morning spiritual practices, which they credit for their success. Work Performance and Lack of Management Concern: Soo Kim noted that despite reducing their extra work, their employers do not seem to mind and still assign them the most challenging files, indicating their performance is still deemed "good enough". Jevon Perra recalled a similar experience where they stopped doing extra work before quitting and their manager did not notice, confirming that the pressure had always been self-imposed. Self-Imposed Pressure at Work: Jevon Perra and Soo Kim agreed that they both historically imposed high standards on themselves, feeling that simply doing the job was "not good enough," even when no one else was demanding more. Jevon Perra referred to this inner drive as a "ruthless taskmaster from within," which Soo Kim's Enneagram type (an Eight with a One or Three wing) would necessitate. Discussion of Enneagram Types: Soo Kim clarified that they were typed as an Enneagram Eight, who can use their power as anger but are also capable of integrating to become champions for the weak. Jevon Perra mentioned that Soo Kim might appear like a Five when "blocked," and they found the Enneagram system to be interesting. Astrology Doubts and Interest in Enneagram: Soo Kim confessed that they are conflicted about learning astrology because cross-referencing charts with the actual sky showed that neither the tropical nor the sidereal system is consistently accurate. As a result, Soo Kim is now considering learning the Enneagram system instead. Examining Human Design and Gene Keys: Jevon Perra introduced the Gene Keys system, which is derived from Human Design, a system that integrates elements like the Kabbalah and astrology. Human Design is based on the birth time and place, and Soo Kim called it the "MMA of the woowoo world" because it combines different spiritual traditions. Distinction Between Human Design and Gene Keys: Jevon Perra differentiated Human Design as a tool for understanding and utilizing oneself better to achieve success, whereas Gene Keys is presented as a tool for awakening and freeing oneself. Soo Kim pointed out that astrology already incorporates concepts of life purpose and growth through the North and South Nodes. Enneagram's Catholic Origins and Focus on Darkness: Jevon Perra shared that the Enneagram was originally an old Catholic tool designed to help people understand and avoid their inner darkness. The darkness is interpreted as the guilt resulting from having created a "special self" separate from God's oneness. The Process of Atonement and Laying Down Dreams: The speakers affirmed that there is always a "way to atonement," which means recognizing that one is already free. They concluded the reading of the introduction to the "Song of Prayer," focusing on the instruction to "lay down your dreams," which Jevon Perra interpreted as realizing that personal ideas and goals will not bring contentment because dreams are not real. The Value of the Present Moment: Jevon Perra concluded the session by sharing a recent experience of fleeting contentment while sitting on the lawn with their family and neighbors, which reminded them that fulfillment is found in the present moment, not in striving for accomplishment. Suggested next steps Soo Kim will look into the Enneagram instead of astrology after finishing school. Jevon Perra will buy Charlie some new glasses. You should review Gemini's notes to make sure they're accurate. Get tips and learn how Gemini takes notes Please provide feedback about using Gemini to take notes in a short survey.

Discussion of "How the World will end" and the Rapture:: Denise Darlene related the reading selection to current discussions about the rapture. Jevon Perra expressed a hope that the rapture was still coming, joking that they thought it had already been missed. The group briefly discussed the concept of exclusivity in heaven, noting that the small spot for the saved would feel secluded. Reading from the Manual for Teachers and Suffering from Thoughts:: Denise Darlene started the reading from the *Manual for Teachers*, sharing a card from a previous group session that stated, "I am affected only by my thoughts". The core conclusion was that suffering is generated by one's own thoughts, reflecting a choice of what they want to see, including the suffering itself. Jevon Perra added that people often cherish their individuality and separation, which is the very thing that causes suffering. Professional Branding Conflict and Scarcity:: Jevon Perra described a professional conflict with their new lender, who wants Jevon Perra to brand the company publicly in exchange for a good deal split, which Jevon Perra resists because they want to brand themselves as a separate entity. Jevon Perra realized this resistance stems from a fear of scarcity, believing that branding the company might lead to people forgetting their own name and then "not going to have enough". Jevon Perra recounted a recent incident where the company owner overheard them downplaying the company's brand, resulting in a feeling of guilt. Forgiveness, Giving, and Receiving:: Denise Darlene read the first section of the text, describing the world's end as an illusion of mercy, forgiveness, and limitless gentleness, which covers all evil and ends guilt forever. Denise Darlene explained that personal suffering and fear are reflections of the belief in separation from God. The discussion pivoted to the principle that to give is to receive, and supporting the company's brand is an act of supporting Jevon Perra's own business, especially since all of Jevon Perra's successful deals have been funded through that company. Resisting Reality and the Nature of Guilt:: Jevon Perra acknowledged that their resistance to branding the company is a battle against reality, echoing the sentiment that arguing with reality leads to losing "100% of the time". Jevon Perra described the feeling of guilt and fear when caught deceiving the company owner, which manifested as a physical "cortisol shock". Jevon Perra noted that they were purposefully deceiving the owner by resisting their request for branding. The World Ending Through Forgiveness:: Brian Genovese continued reading, emphasizing that the world has a purpose until forgiveness is complete, serving as the home where forgiveness grows and brings the world's ending. The world will end not by destruction, but by ceasing to seem to be, when "not one thought of sin remains". Jevon Perra connected this reading to their own controversy with their boss, realizing that releasing their fear, guilt, and judgment dissolves the controversy and makes the separate world "gone". Atonement and the Illusion of Difficulty:: Jevon Perra clarified that the group had previously skipped to the end of the chapter and were now reading the beginning. Jevon Perra read a section suggesting that the world will end instantly when any teacher of God accepts atonement for themself, which Jevon Perra defined as realizing they are "already content" and that the work is already done. The concept states that it is not easier to forgive one sin than all of them, and that the illusion of "order of difficulty" is an obstacle to overcome. Ending the Show Through Forgiveness:: Jevon Perra reiterated the powerful, paradoxical idea that any one individual could end the entire world's suffering by perfectly forgiving and releasing all guilt, thus bringing salvation, because there is only one mind and no true separation. Denise Darlene urged them to "get on with it" and suggested Jevon Perra's resistance was selfish. Jevon Perra humorously stated that they must first "make some more money" and suggested a "GoFundMe" to reach the goal. Fear of Annihilation and the Truman Show Analogy:: Denise Darlene likened Jevon Perra's situation to *The Truman Show*, where one person is in an illusion while everyone else is awake, and the world only ends when that person wakes up. The consensus was that the fear holding them back is the "irrational fear" that the individual will disappear if they experience the reality of oneness. Jevon Perra clarified that the individual is the only one who can experience the suffering of separateness and lack. The Annihilation of Personality and Eternity:: Jevon Perra expressed a fear of the "annihilation of my personality" and jokingly wished for a "glowing Javon in the sky" instead of dissolving back into the ocean, as suggested by Rupert Spira’s analogy of a wave.

Selecting the Topic for Discussion: Jevon Perra reviewed the remaining topics in the *Manual for Teachers*, including questions about healing, the perception of the order of difficulties, changes required in God's teachers' life situations, and how judgment is relinquished. They and Soo Kim decided to skip ahead to the topic of how judgment is relinquished. Relinquishing Judgment as Misunderstanding of Wisdom: Soo Kim read from *A Course in Miracles* that judgment, like other devices used to maintain the world of illusions, is misunderstood and is confused with wisdom. They noted that the world aims to strengthen good judgment and minimize bad judgment, but that there are no consistent criteria for what constitutes good or bad judgment, making the terms meaningless. Judgment as Projected Reality and Ultimate Perfection: Jevon Perra summarized that judgment is based on an individual's projection of reality, which is subjective and based on their personal goals, and thus does not represent ultimate reality. They asserted that because people do not understand their own best interests, everything that happens is part of a perfect experience orchestrated by a bigger part of themself. Personal Example of Misjudged Events: Soo Kim offered a personal example of requesting a raise early in their career but instead getting insulted, which led to them finding a new job that they considered the best thing that could have happened. Jevon Perra affirmed that one does not know what is in their best interest and that their current reality is perfect because it has been allowed by God. Judgment as an Illusion that Cannot Be Made: Soo Kim read that it is necessary for the teacher of God to realize that they cannot judge, and that giving up judgment is merely giving up an illusion of having something they did not possess. Jevon Perra added that non-duality states there is only one reality, which is being one with the Father, and that perceived separation and problems are due to the "personality me" judgment. The Role of the Character Versus the Observer: Jevon Perra explained that looking through "Christ's eyes" allows one to see sameness and friendship, which contrasts with the character's perspective, which sees obstacles. The character, or "Javon," believes they are the character and is under pressure to succeed, but the observer can watch this drama as an external event. The Drama of Life as Submersive Channels: Jevon Perra compared life experiences to flipping through TV channels that offer submersive experiences. They described how individual scripts, such as Soo Kim's channel, present unique challenges and "pickles," but that these judgments are only those of the character in the script. The Collective Feminine Approach to Conflict: Soo Kim shared that the collective feminine is currently learning to embrace the outward fight, noting that historically women tend to internalize external attacks and direct the fight inward, believing something is wrong with themself. Jevon Perra acknowledged this process as personality development, the second of three levels of reality, which is about learning to be expansive in the world. Navigating Power and Feedback in Personality Development: Jevon Perra explained that the personality development level involves learning how to engage aggressively and wield power in the world, referencing the characterization of a powerful woman as a "b****" in a patriarchal society. This stage involves being open to feedback to make adjustments and add tools to the personality toolbox, but they emphasized this is not the ultimate reality. Ultimate Reality and the Impossibility of Judgment: The ultimate reality, according to Jevon Perra, is that the self has no sex, nothing to gain or lose, and is so great that the entire universe performs within them. Soo Kim read that the aim of the curriculum is the recognition that judgment is impossible because one would need to be fully aware of an inconceivably wide range of past, present, and future events and their effects on everyone. Addressing Stress and the Feeling of Unheard Efforts: Soo Kim disclosed feeling unheard, stressed, and disappointed because they felt their hard work and justified requests at work were overridden without good feedback, making their efforts seem pointless. Soo Kim expressed that they were struggling with a limiting belief of not being good enough, which was previously directed inward and then toward their career. The Disruption of Tactics and the Need for Contentment: Jevon Perra suggested that the painful feeling stems from their reliance on the tactic of making things better to earn their worth, which is being disrupted by a new, incomplete system at work. They discussed how happiness often relates to outcomes, while contentment is a state of being that is good without needing any specific outcome.

The Nature of Successful Relationships: Jevon Perra stated that good relationships require a sacrifice of individual needs and wants for something greater. Brian Genovese commented that they are single because they do not know anyone who would accept their commitments to activities like "Valley" or the "state of the city" without feeling infringed upon.**Introduction to Open-Mindedness in *A Course in Miracles***: Jevon Perra confirmed they were ready to begin the discussion from the "Manual for Teachers" section of *A Course in Miracles*, focusing on the final characteristic, "Open-mindedness". Brian Genovese read that open-mindedness is the last attribute the teacher of God acquires and is easily understood in its relation to forgiveness, as it invites God's teacher into the mind by lacking judgment.Open-Mindedness, Forgiveness, and Perception: Brian Genovese noted that open-mindedness permits the Son of God to be judged by the voice of God and allows for the extension of the Christ image. Jevon Perra explained that open-mindedness allows for a shift to seeing through Christ's eyes, which perceives sameness, instead of the ego's eyes, which perceives difference. They further discussed how forgiveness is the final goal of the curriculum and is synonymous with letting go of one's perceptions and judgments, making everything appear "newness and joy".The Theme of Letting Go of Judgment and Appreciating Life: Jevon Perra discussed how letting go of judgment allows for the realization that current life "sparkles" and is perfect, referencing a comparison to appreciating a small life like that in the Shire from *Lord of the Rings*. Brian Genovese commented that they missed having small children around.The Concept of Atonement and Identity: Brian Genovese read that the list of God's teachers' attributes does not include things like love, sinlessness, or perfection because those are the Son of God's inheritance. Jevon Perra explained that these are not attributes but are part of identity, and atonement is the experience of the "holy moment" of completion and realizing sameness with others.The Nature of Identity and the Ego's Need for Definition: Jevon Perra explained that thinking of oneself as a body or personality prevents understanding identity, which is the "big question" the course points toward. They discussed that the act of defining, labeling, and using words is an ego act that creates separation, such as calling someone a friend or an enemy.Meditation as a Letting Go Process: Jevon Perra described meditation as an amplifier for the practice of being at peace and a process of letting go of the mind's attempt to judge everything, including one's own performance in meditation. They noted that the realization that one's thoughts are not truly their own is a "wild thought," suggesting the personality is merely a script or mask having the experience of a separate life.Personal Struggles with Overthinking and Control: kristen shared that they are dealing with a life-changing struggle, noting that overthinking and the desire to control the outcome has been difficult. kristen provided an example of this struggle, explaining they have taken on the responsibility of caring for their husband's troubled child, leading to projections of negative outcomes.Attachment as the Source of Suffering: Jevon Perra affirmed that stress comes from the belief that one must control the outcome, defining this control as attachment, which is the source of all suffering. They added that the opposite, believing one "cannot have" a specific bad outcome, is also a form of attachment. Brian Genovese noted that placing blame on others for not following one's rules is a way to alleviate personal responsibility.Open-Mindedness in Conflict and Experience: Jevon Perra explained that constantly trying to control oneself or others (e.g., "I have to be more peaceful") is synonymous with attachment, and attachment leads to being "stuck" in an unpreferred experience. Jevon Perra provided an example of their son's intense emotional outbursts, noting that responding with an "open heart" and love, rather than an attack, causes the child to melt and is an example of open-mindedness.The Necessity of Letting Go of Personal Agenda: Jevon Perra proposed that true experience of one's identity—love, sinlessness, and eternal truth—requires letting go of the ego's layers of judgments and perceptions, which they call one's "agenda". Soo Kim found it tricky to let go of goals and aspirations, questioning why they should make an effort without a spiritual goal.Loving the Pursuit and the Suffering: Jevon Perra suggested that people love the pursuit of their goals and the experience of suffering as much as peace and joy, because both are defined, isolated ego experiences. The Holy Spirit, according to Jevon Perra, sees "beauty from ashes," meaning that circumstances do not need to change to be loved; one only needs to let go of judgment.Perception and the Pain of Attachment: Brian Genovese questioned whether participants treat their lives as a gift from God or if they are focused on achieving an agenda. Jevon Perra concluded that attachment, or the belief that external changes will bring happiness, is the impulse not to be happy now and leads to a life of pain.Flow State as Doing Without Attachment: Jevon Perra discussed that doing, or being in the flow state, without attachment to the result, is a high state of existence, citing how writers like Stephen King let their characters dictate the plot. Soo Kim questioned how a flow state can be defined without an outcome, to which Jevon Perra responded that flow is simply giving oneself to the action without thinking about it, such as a child fingerpainting.Letting Go as a Prerequisite for a Happy Outcome: Jevon Perra noted that attachment to a particular outcome derails the flow state, citing an example of working with AI technology. They concluded that having a happy outcome requires letting go of attachment and allowing the "bad thing" to happen. Brian Genovese commented that it is a blessing to be around people going through hardship because they may need the tools and ways of thinking available to others.Coping Mechanisms for Youth: Brian Genovese suggests that new perspectives and different approaches are necessary when previous methods have resulted in poor outcomes for youth. They emphasize that for children, issues such as sleep patterns and diet are critical factors, often overlooked due to "chaos and commotion" in their daily lives. Jevon Perra concurs that while these factors would help, they are based on the presupposition of a good outcome versus a bad outcome.Detachment from Goals and Personal Peace: Jevon Perra clarifies that their peace and contentment are not related to their attached goals, even when those goals are positive. They explain that true peace is found in the degree of unattachment one maintains while pursuing their goals, noting that attachment to a goal, even a good one, can lead to suffering. Soo Kim emphasizes that this includes the goal of achieving peace and contentment itself, which Jevon Perra confirms as the "tricky part".Impact of External Factors on Contentment: Soo Kim notes that the introduction of another person into one's home, bringing problems, patterns, and physical clutter, would likely not be helpful to one's peace and contentment. Jevon Perra states that their own peace or contentment comes from forgiveness and letting go, regardless of whether others "act right or don't act right". They mention that more difficult situations can be more rewarding in the personality's world, as people seek a balance between the surprise of difference and the security of sameness.Acceptance and Spiritual Practice: Jevon Perra defines acceptance as the core of spiritual practice, whether one is accepting too much sameness or too much variability in life. They conclude that one should accept what they have, be thankful, and pursue what they want, believing that whatever occurs is perfect because it is part of their destiny, even if the personality does not know its own best interest.Current Circumstances and Best Interests: Jevon Perra asserts that everyone currently possesses what they need and require, and they actually have their own best interest in the present moment. They suggest that if a person dislikes their current situation, it is likely highlighting the one thing hindering them from the contentment they already possess. Brian Genovese expresses that being in the current environment is "perfect" because it keeps them open-minded.

Introduction to the Topic of Faithfulness: The discussion shifted to continuing the study of the characteristics of God for God's teachers. Jevon Perra identified that they were starting with "faithfulness," which is the ninth characteristic in the manual for teachers.Reading and Interpretation of Faithfulness: Brian Genovese read the passage defining faithfulness as the measure of a teacher's advancement and their complete trust in the word of God to "set all things right". Jevon Perra summarized that true faithfulness involves reversing the world's thinking entirely by surrendering all problems, not just some, to one answer.Application of Faithfulness to Daily Life: Jevon Perra admitted that while it is easy to discuss spiritual lessons, it is hard to apply them to daily life, noting they struggle with compartmentalizing spiritual principles away from "real world" issues like money or family stress. They recognized that attachment to any outcome brings suffering, and true faithfulness means trusting that all things are perfect. Soo Kim then joined the meeting.Challenges of Implementing Faithfulness: Brian Genovese commented that using these enlightened concepts in daily activities is the tough part, especially the concept of faithfulness. Jevon Perra pointed out that whether faithfulness is easy or tricky is determined by the individual, and they noted that Brian Genovese appeared easygoing on the outside but admitted to struggling internally.Personal Growth and Letting Go of Judgments: Jevon Perra shared that as they get older, their problems are not as deep, and they are increasingly able to catch themself in moments of stress and let go of judgments. They concluded that fulfillment and peace come from faithfulness, which involves letting go of resistance to how things are, even though struggle is inherent to physical existence.The Necessity of Drama and Struggle: Jevon Perra emphasized that nobody wants a life or a movie without challenge or suffering, which is necessary for a good story. Jevon Perra shared that a mistake in a novel they wrote was not including an antagonist, because drama is essential for a better story.Relating Personal Drama to Conflict: The conversation turned to the issue of personal drama, which Jevon Perra noted they try to avoid and often judges in others, leading to their own suffering. Jevon Perra provided the example of marital conflicts, which can escalate from a small issue, like a misplaced toothbrush, into a battle of disrespect and attacks.Addressing Family Conflict and Judgment: Jevon Perra shared a personal conflict with their mother, who they feel persistently takes advantage of them, leading to feelings of anger and frustration. They questioned why they hold on to the suffering-inducing judgment that their mother should have the capacity to do things for herself.Discussing Manipulation and Lack of Forgiveness: Brian Genovese related to Jevon Perra's experience, describing growing up with a depressive mother who knew how to manipulate their emotions. Brian Genovese shared that the childhood experience of walking on eggshells and being afraid to speak led them to cut their mother out of their life for the last 15 years, preventing her from ever knowing their daughter. Jevon Perra connected the lack of forgiveness to the belief in separation and noted that these irritations are "gifts" that reveal inner errors.Weakness and Strength Translation to Career: Jevon Perra observed that Brian Genovese's greatest strength—being gentle, kind, and considerate—can also be a weakness, making it difficult for them to aggressively pursue their goals. Brian Genovese acknowledged that this translated into their professional career, where they initially sought security over freedom but eventually forgave their mother and transitioned to real estate, which offered the freedom to volunteer and help others, an action they always felt they needed to do.The Futility of Seeking External Change: Jevon Perra concluded that suffering is not resolved by changing one's environment, job, or people, noting their recent experience of resigning from a job for freedom, only to find themself working harder. They realized that attachment to a better past or future state is part of the cycle of self-judgment.Deepening the Definition of Faithfulness: Brian Genovese read the concluding passage on faithfulness, which describes it as consistent, wholly honest, unswerving, full of trust, gentle, joyous, and tolerant. The passage concludes that faithfulness, which implies the acceptance of God's word, rests in quiet certainty on that alone to which all faithfulness is due.Separation vs. Connection and Identity: Jevon Perra discussed the difference between heaven (connectedness with God) and hell (separation), noting that the world one sees depends on whether they are using Christ's vision or their own. Jevon Perra illustrated how identity is often based on superficial comparison, using examples of moving from California to Missouri and then to Orange County, where their sense of self-worth fluctuated based on where they were relative to others. They concluded that their ability to feel good has nothing to do with external circumstances because their identity is not that of a human in a body, but an eternal being who chose this experience.Resistance and Atonement: Jevon Perra stated that when they perceive an "unpushable boulder" that they must move, they experience stress and resistance. The only work to be done is letting go of resistance and judgment, a process called atonement, which is the recognition that the work is already done and there is no need to hold on to any grievances.Enlightenment and the Non-Person: Soo Kim introduced a concept from a meditation teacher that a "person" can never achieve enlightenment, because believing one is a person is already a form of separation. Soo Kim noted that the goal is to let go of the person and "pop into that state of enlightenment". Soo Kim observed that the ego tries to hijack and take credit for spiritual progress, which reinforces the personhood.Recognition vs. Service: Brian Genovese added that people often join volunteer groups for recognition, wanting credit for the work they do. Brian Genovese asserted that service should be for the greater good and to accomplish good works, not for personal recognition. Jevon Perra connected the desire for recognition to the belief that one is a separate "person".Ego Struggle with Status Change: Jevon Perra shared their personal ego struggle with a recent change in status, moving from president of their company to a sales representative with an office in a storage closet. Jevon Perra noted the irony that this demotion was what they wanted but that their ego struggled with the worse-looking business card and inability to feel superior in conversations.Self-Validation and Spiritual Bypassing: Soo Kim related to the desire for self-sufficiency and the feeling of unfairness when others receive more praise. Soo Kim emphasized the importance of self-validation and pointed out the danger of spiritual bypassing, questioning whether they are in a body or if the body is in them.The Body as a Fragmented Consciousness: Jevon Perra proposed a different perspective: the body is *in* the self, not the self *in* the body. Jevon Perra presented the analogy of consciousness as a powerful, shattered mirror, with the individual being one isolated fragment that lowered its awareness to experience separateness, demonstrating an "incredible amount of control".Acceptance and the Inevitable Script: Jevon Perra concluded that this perspective makes the individual completely separate from the character's script, enabling the character to be faithful, patient, and defenseless, even if the character's personality is always "sketchy". They stated that enlightenment might not change the things that they judge, and the suffering person will never be changed.Life as a Dream or Simulation: Brian Genovese furthered the discussion by questioning if their current reality is another dream, similar to the dream world entered during sleep. Jevon Perra agreed, citing Elon Musk's high probability assessment that this is a simulation or "base reality".The Appeal of Drama in the Simulation: Jevon Perra noted that the most popular video games are not focused on "hugging," but on conflict, stealing, and conquering, demonstrating a human preference for drama. They reflected on the hypocrisy of accepting drama in movies and games but rejecting it in their own life and with their family, which leads to suffering.Closing and Future Topic: Brian Genovese expressed that the discussion had "open[ed] another chamber" in their mind. The meeting concluded with the agreement to discuss "open-mindedness" next time.

Introduction of Generosity (Characteristic Seven): Jevon Perra confirmed the group was reading from the "Manual for Teachers," specifically focusing on the seventh characteristic, generosity. Soo Kim volunteered to read the text defining generosity, which is noted to have a special meaning for the "teacher of God" that is contrary to the world's usual meaning.Definition of Generosity in the Context of the Text: The text defines the world's generosity as "giving away in the sense of giving up," while for the teacher of God, it means "giving away in order to keep". The concept of generosity rests ultimately on trust. The true meaning is considered alien to worldly thinking due to its clear reversal of the world's perspective.Discussion on Keeping Through Giving: Jevon Perra elaborated that non-physical things, such as love, compassion, creativity, curiosity, and courage, are kept through the act of giving them away. Giving away non-physical items is presented as a non-zero-sum game, unlike the physical world where giving away a dollar results in a loss of that dollar.Generosity and True Self-Interest: The text states that the teacher of God is generous out of self-interest, but this does not refer to the world's definition of self, as anything they cannot give away is considered valueless. This self-interest relates to the true self, which seeks abundance, connection, and forgiveness, in contrast to the separate self which operates under a zero-sum game.Atonement and the Recognition of Perfection: Jevon Perra discussed atonement as the recognition of one's inherent perfection and connection, noting it is not about paying a price for sins. Suffering in the perceived world is considered inevitable, but resistance to suffering is what causes pain.Generosity, Trust, and Transcendence: Brian Genovese agreed that trust and giving lead to a feeling of lightness and transcendence, citing the example of the yogi Yogananda. Jevon Perra noted that the search for spiritual achievement can itself become another path of separation if it focuses on external forms.Critique of Religious Structures and Artificial Experiences: Jevon Perra discussed how structures are built around genuine spiritual experiences to keep them alive, referencing figures like Joseph Smith and Muhammad. They argued that trying to artificially transfer someone else's connection with God diminishes the authentic, personal experience.Introduction of Patience (Characteristic Eight): Following the discussion on generosity, the group moved on to the eighth characteristic, patience. Soo Kim read that patience is natural to the teacher of God because they are certain of the outcome, even if the timing is unknown, allowing them to wait without anxiety.Patience and the Illusion of Achievement: Jevon Perra discussed how the world, where the desired outcome has not yet happened, is a world of anxiety because one feels the need to achieve and search. They concluded that the game of life is not about achievement, but about noticing the dynamic that achievement never truly brings lasting contentment.The Illusion of Happiness and Wanting: kristen and Jevon Perra discussed how happiness is often a fleeting sensation of wanting that is temporarily satiated before the desire returns. The concept of contentment is defined as the lack of wants.Noticing and Releasing Anxiety: Jevon Perra explained that the key to moving past these struggles is to notice one's own patterns and to practice releasing inner tension, often through meditative breathing exercises. Jevon Perra stressed that all suffering is self-imposed and is caused by clinging to things one believes are necessary for protection or survival.

Transition to Study Material: Joy: Jevon Perra announced the group was moving on to the topic of "joy" in their manual, "Manual for Teachers". Jevon Perra and Brian Genovese briefly sang a song with lyrics about having joy in their heart.Soo Kim’s Status and Return: Soo Kim joined the call, apologizing for being on mute, and shared that they are doing okay and are finished with midterms for the week. Jevon Perra acknowledged that Soo Kim is managing a difficult schedule of full-time school and full-time work.Reading and Analysis of "Joy": Jevon Perra read a passage stating that joy is the "inevitable result of gentleness," which was the previous week's characteristic, and that gentleness makes harm and fear impossible. Jevon Perra connected the text to a spiritual concept that the joyous cannot suffer, referencing a verse about the sinless having no pain. They elaborated that suffering is linked to identifying with the physical body or the character, and that striving and difficulty, while necessary for the physical world, are also the destiny of a character that believes they are separate.God’s Teachers and the Purpose of Salvation: The reading continued, affirming that God’s teachers trust in God and are protected from harm, with joy serving as their song of thanks. The material suggests that Christ looks on them in thanks as well, noting Christ’s need for them is as great as their need for Christ, and how "joyous is it to share the purpose of salvation".The Nature of God, Jesus, and Christ: Jevon Perra initiated a discussion about the distinction between God, Jesus, and Christ, spurred by a question from their eight-year-old about how the world kept going when Jesus was on Earth. Brian Genovese suggested that God puts things on autopilot, while Soo Kim offered the analogy of a dream, asking who takes care of the body while one is dreaming. The conversation shifted to the idea that science is beginning to align with spiritual explanations, but Jevon Perra criticized that current medical science can still cause harm.Spiral Dynamics and Expanding Identity: Jevon Perra introduced the concept of Spiral Dynamics, describing it as a framework for human social development from individuals striving for survival to expanding groups like families, villages, regions, and eventually countries. Jevon Perra noted that while people can expand their identity to include more and more individuals, there is always a tendency to define an "other" or an "enemy".God as Impersonal and Non-Dualism: Jevon Perra postulated that Jesus was an example of God incarnate, but that God is an impersonal, ever-present source, not a person. This perspective suggests that a person is a separate individual, whereas God is everything, including the good, the bad, and the indifferent. Brian Genovese agreed that "we label everything," and the non-dual explanation suggests there are no things or labels.Self-Realization and Character in the Dream: The speakers discussed that the character in the dream who remembers God is no different from anyone else, and every manifestation, including a rock, is "God stuff". They briefly discussed concepts related to a system of ladders or levels of consciousness and the idea that animals may operate as a group consciousness.Reading and Analysis of "Defenselessness": Soo Kim read the next passage, "Defenselessness," which states that God's teachers are simple and have "no dreams that need defense against the truth". The text concludes that laying down defenses does not bring danger but safety, peace, joy, and God.Defense as Attack and the Illusion of Guilt: Jevon Perra equated defense with attack, explaining that guilty people often see judgment and offense everywhere, and angry people constantly dish out attacks, which they often rationalize as defense or correcting what is right. Brian Genovese supported this idea, noting that people who feel the need to be right are often wrong and trying to defend the ego.Astrology, Defense Mode, and Internal State: Soo Kim provided an example from their class where a peer became defensive while discussing Western versus Vedic astrology, insisting that Vedic astrology was the only accurate system and attempting to make up explanations when confronted with conflicting data. Jevon Perra suggested that in such engagement, the most important thing is one’s internal state, specifically whether they view the other person as a "beautiful expression of God" or an "imbecile".Pity versus Perfection and Separation: Soo Kim wondered if pity could be a step toward compassion, which Jevon Perra suggested is a step on a "continuum of resonance" towards the much higher resonance of seeing everyone as perfect. They concluded that pity is still a judgment and an expression of separation, where one views themselves as "better" than the person they are pitying.Time as a Construct and Limited Perception: Jevon Perra discussed the concept of time as a construct of diminished perception, a linear progression that creates the experience of a separate person. They stated that the reality of defenselessness is realizing that the contrived reality is "all not real" and that there is literally nothing to defend, including ideas like spiritual architecture.The Importance of Buoyancy and Letting Go of Resistance: Jevon Perra emphasized that the main source of suffering is the belief that one can get something wrong or change past moments. They concluded that their mantra is "it’s okay," and that the "looser" they hold the world and other people, the higher their resonance becomes because they are not adding resistance, which allows their natural buoyancy to take over.Attraction of Lower Frequencies and Poking Judgments: The speakers discussed how people operating at lower frequency levels tend to be attracted to those with higher resonance, sometimes trying to pull them down, like “crabs in a bucket”. Jevon Perra explained that an outside accusation only triggers a defensive response if it pokes at one's own internal belief systems and judgments.Conclusion on Freedom and Contentment: Jevon Perra finalized the conversation by asserting that defense is an attack because it acknowledges that the threatening thing is real. The ultimate goal is to recognize one cannot be hurt or lose because they "are it all," and the experience of life is about engaging without constraints, seeking freedom. They concluded by discussing the next topic, "Generosity".

Reflection on Non-Judgment: The conversation shifted to a check-in on the previous week's practice of not judging, which was generally positive, prompting Soo Kim to ask for clarification on the difference between judgment and discernment. Jevon Perra initially requested a pause for the conversation to organize, noting Denise Darlene's quick start, but the discussion soon moved forward, focusing on these key spiritual concepts.Distinction Between Judgment and Discernment: Denise Darlene proposed that discernment and wisdom are the same, suggesting that judgment stems from fear and lacks peace, often involving labels and coming from the ego. Wisdom and discernment, conversely, come from love and result in peace. Jevon Perra cautioned that a form of discernment could still be rooted in fear, using the concept to create separation or a feeling of superiority.Peace as an Indicator for Wisdom: Denise Darlene maintained that if guidance is coming from a place of peace, it is wisdom guided by the Holy Spirit, which is a core concept in the Course in Miracles. Jevon Perra agreed that the presence of peace, love, and joy serves as an indicator of alignment, while experiences outside of peace, such as anger or frustration, signal alignment with the ego. Jevon Perra shared a personal anecdote of growing up in a religious family that misused "discernment" to enforce fear, highlighting that the resulting lack of peace was a clear sign they needed to leave the environment, demonstrating true discernment.Discussion on the Show Quantum Leap: Jevon Perra used the plot of the television show Quantum Leap as a metaphor for consciousness and purpose, where the character Sam Beckett leaps into different bodies to accomplish missions they do not remember. Brian Genovese, who loves the show, clarified that the mission is to set right what once went wrong, and once accomplished, the character leaps to the next adventure. Jevon Perra connected the show’s themes to the idea that we are consciousness having an experience, which Brian Genovese agreed is a much deeper concept than people realize.Peace as a Guide and Awareness of Attachment: Denise Darlene restated the initial card's message that truth will correct all errors and that peace is the guide indicating alignment with the Holy Spirit. Jevon Perra noted that they can quickly tell when they are not in peace, which is always due to some attachment or idea of separation they are unwilling to let go of. They affirmed that the work involves bringing in and finding the truth to create the experience of peace.Clarification of "Truth": Soo Kim challenged the phrase "self-truth," suggesting that the focus should be on capital "T" Truth, representing non-duality, oneness, and unity, which is the voice of the Holy Spirit. Denise Darlene agreed that this pursuit of Truth often feels like death or betrayal, but confirms that this feeling is an indication they are on the right track.Reading from Manual for Teachers on Gentleness: The group decided to continue reading the "Manual for Teachers" from the Course in Miracles, focusing on the section "Gentleness". Soo Kim read that harm is impossible for God's teachers because it is the outcome of judgment and the denial of learning, making the Holy Spirit's lessons impossible to learn. Jevon Perra related the concept to a play, suggesting that consciousness is neither the hero nor the villain, and that believing in harming or saving is an attachment.The Strength of Gentleness: Soo Kim continued the reading, emphasizing that God's teachers are wholly gentle because gentleness is the strength needed for salvation to become easy. Jevon Perra described gentleness through the analogy of kindly waking a child from a nightmare, where the gentle voice of the Holy Spirit calls them out of the illusion. Jevon Perra offered a personal example of practicing gentleness in a relationship through non-resistance, which involved maintaining a state of "No, honey, it's okay" to diffuse conflict.Gentleness, Non-Resistance, and the Pain Body: Brian Genovese affirmed that Jevon Perra's non-resistance was successful because it denied the other person's ego the energy it sought to feed its "pain body," a concept also discussed by Eckhart Tolle. Denise Darlene added that kindness, not judgment or punishment, is what leads to repentance, echoing Christian scripture and the power of non-resistance in situations of conflict. Denise Darlene recounted an experience with their critical mother, noting that quiet non-engagement eventually exhausts the criticism, making them a less favorable person to complain to.The Choice Between Separation and Christ's Vision: Jevon Perra summarized the two ways of seeing the world: the world of separation, sin, and guilt (ego's perception), and Christ's vision (heaven on earth), which sees abundance, connection, and love. Jevon Perra stated that one cannot hold both visions simultaneously and that giving up the "games" of separation is necessary to see the wholeness that is already present. Denise Darlene emphasized that the difficult work of letting go of these egoic games is the difference between awakening and staying asleep, which involves the critical step of disciplining the mind to replace lies with truth.The Journey of Awakening and the "Happier Dream": Jevon Perra questioned the duration required for awareness, referencing a quote from I Am That that enlightenment could be instant upon belief. Denise Darlene shared their current status as having achieved a "happier dream" but not yet fully embodying the truth, acknowledging that they are closer than ever. Denise Darlene cautioned against the "holy instant system" without prior ego dismantling, noting that their son’s experience of God’s presence resulted in a painful psychosis upon returning to the body, necessitating a subsequent learning path.Experiences as Lessons and the Use of Medicine Journeys: The group discussed the idea that experiences labeled as "bad" are often lessons chosen by a greater part of the self. Jevon Perra expanded this to include anything that is resisted, including medicine journeys if used as escapism. Denise Darlene noted that their experience with medicine journeys has been for self-discovery—revealing subconscious beliefs and traumas—not for escape, and that post-journey work is still required for change. Soo Kim acknowledged that while medicine is intended for this deep work, some people use it to reinforce delusions or escape pain.Reincarnation and the Goal of the Course in Miracles: Denise Darlene inquired if the Course in Miracles discusses reincarnation, to which Jevon Perra replied that its premise is to "save time," implying the avoidance of doing the cycle of life again and again. The discussion touched upon the concept of the individual spirit returning to God like a wave merging back into the ocean, challenging the notion of maintaining individuality after death. Soo Kim noted that the concept of reincarnation is sometimes twisted in cultures like India to justify judgment or social hierarchy, calling others "stupid" due to perceived past lives.The Afterlife and Frequency of Vibration: The conversation turned to the nature of individuality after death and the "great reset button" that death provides. Jevon Perra recommended the near-death experience book Backwards by Nancy Danison, explaining that the afterlife location is determined by one's current vibrational frequency and that the choice to hold onto a low frequency can result in hellish experiences. Jevon Perra explained that one's body is a filter that lowers frequency, and after death, the frequency raises, allowing for experiences of what is called heaven, though perception can still be filtered by egoic beliefs.Conclusion on Gentleness and Non-Judgment: Denise Darlene reiterated a key takeaway from the reading: "harm is the outcome of judgment," meaning that taking offense stems from a judgment of the situation, not the neutral facts of what happened. The solution involves replacing judgment with compassion, seeing others' challenging behavior as the limited maturity of a wounded child. Jevon Perra shared a practical application of this, noting that viewing their mother as an "insane" or "crazy lady" they could help, rather than as an entitled person taking advantage of them, made the interaction bearable.Reflecting on Kindness and Empathy: Jevon Perra shared a story from their childhood about an accidental encounter at Disneyland where an adult's anger instantly turned to empathy and service upon seeing them in a wheelchair, illustrating how perception immediately shifts based on the recognized state of the other. The group affirmed the power of recognizing that others are often in a "mental wheelchair".Final Thoughts and Self-Inquiry: Denise Darlene concluded with the initial affirmation that when not experiencing peace, they are experiencing the effects of a lie, encouraging self-inquiry to discover the underlying lie or judgment. Soo Kim asked if their previous challenge to Brian Genovese about "self-truth" was a violation of gentleness, but Brian Genovese clarified that it was helpful for clarification and not perceived as judgmental. Jevon Perra ended the session by stating that they are always revealing their judgments or their love and acceptance.