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Part 4 shifts from “what annoys us” to the deeper stuff: what becomes iconic, what makes us anxious, and what actually fires us up as collectors. Chris McGill lays out what might be the biggest collector question of the next decade: you can’t reliably predict which cards will transcend their peers, but you can study how it happens. His take is that a card needs to hit the “main stage” of the hobby consciousness. People need to see it, compare it, and give it time for lineage and tradition to develop. He uses Nikola Jokic as an example, contrasting staple products with one season “one offs” like Clear Vision. Then he goes even further: what if the next wave is driven by collectors chasing obscurities and “forgotten artifacts” because everyone keeps posting the same cards? Josh Adams agrees prediction is brutal and adds a personal angle from the 1990s. Sometimes your collecting tastes are shaped by what your local shop actually had, and those experiences stick. From the chat and the panel: unpriced cards at shows are still a top annoyance whether the rookie card logo belongs on inserts why some collectors accept rookie year cards as meaningful even if they are not base rookies sticker autos vs on card autos, and how scarcity of options can force exceptions redemptions, and how Upper Deck says they have cut them down significantly Then Chris tosses a great question: what is your biggest source of hobby anxiety? Shipping cards, traveling with cards, auctions, and that final 10 seconds of bidding all come up. The chat adds more: postal delays, collection value swings, and fear that the hobby gets mistreated by people who do not love it. We also get a quick prospect moment: Josh asks about Oliver Moore, and Jason explains how inclusion can depend on debut timing and autograph deals. Finally, Chris flips the script to the opposite of anxiety: what actually gets your hobby juices flowing? For Jason it’s new product concepts and the rush to get them to market. For Josh it’s the hunt and finally landing the card you’ve been chasing. For Jeremy it’s discovery, aesthetics, and going down rabbit holes on platforms like COMC, plus the real physical “butterflies” reaction a card can create. This is one of those segments that explains why we do this in the first place. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 3 is where the panel expands. Chris McGill from Card Ladder and hobby lawyer Josh Adams jump in with Jason Masherah, and we get into the kind of hobby conversation everyone relates to: the stuff that drives collectors nuts. We start with the “Top 5 hobby annoyances” trend (with a hat tip to Sports Illustrated) and then Jason adds a couple of his own. His first one is simple and needed: online hobby spaces don’t give enough grace to legitimate newbie questions, and that pushes people away when we’re supposedly trying to grow the hobby. Josh’s first annoyance is an instant classic: sellers posting “taking offers” instead of putting a price on the card. Same energy as unpriced cards at shows. Save everybody time. Chris goes two directions: a funny shot at Rodman’s unreal collecting instincts a real point that matters: people throw around “best card” like it means something objective, when “best” could mean highest grade, highest sale, rarest, or just someone’s personal taste. If you don’t define “best,” you’re not saying anything. Then we hit a breaker rant that needed to happen: handle cards properly. Stop touching the face of chrome cards. Hold by the edges. Sleeve them like you actually care. We also talk grading backlogs and why “just hire more graders” is lazy thinking if you also want grading accuracy. Jason brings it back to collecting, and highlights a reward system a lot of people still don’t know exists: the Upper Deck Bounty program, where completing certain coded sets earns achievement cards. It’s a real way to reward set builders and collectors, not just hype and flipping. From the chat, we dig into: the toxicity and flex culture on Instagram and why curating your feed is work the “calling cards trash” issue and why it’s actually disrespecting the person, not just the cardboard “low pop” being thrown around like a magic spell fake slabs, and why eBay authentication exists in the first place We also take a detour into ugly card designs, nostalgia, and how opinions change over time. Then we land on a point that ties back to your world: predicting what becomes iconic is way harder than people pretend. Some products that didn’t sell at all when they released later become staples, and sometimes a whole category flips from “nobody wants this” to “everyone needs this.” Subscribe and leave a review if you want more long-form hobby conversations. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jason Masherah, President of Upper Deck, and moves from hobby momentum into the business mechanics behind what collectors are feeling right now. We start with a straight question: how real is the US hockey card market, and where is the growth coming from? Jason explains why Upper Deck is focused on expanding hockey’s footprint in the United States, how the Certified Diamond Dealer ecosystem helps them measure shop health, and what changed since 2017 with programs designed to help stores upgrade, expand to multiple locations, and build stronger communities. From there, we hit a fun CDD storyline: the player appearance giveaway, why those events matter for collectors and kids, and why Jason still gets anxiety about players flaking because it reflects on the brand and the shop hosting. Then we get into the Olympics angle, including an update on an Olympic licensed Team Canada Tim Hortons product and a massive chase concept tied to a golden goal moment that hockey fans still remember vividly. Next comes a topic everybody argues about: unopened wax pricing. Jason breaks down what’s actually driving higher prices, including labor and material costs, inflation, and how pricing behavior differs across sports. He also draws a hard line on something he believes in: collectors should still be able to buy and rip a real hobby box without being forced into breaks as the only realistic option. We also dig into the current hobby upcycle. Jason shares why he thinks this era is different from the early 90s, why Gen X returning matters, and how serial numbering changed the psychology of collecting. Then a great sidebar: should everything be serial numbered, or does mystery help certain chase cards become lore? We close with a clear discussion about consolidation and “monopolies” in the hobby. Jason compares grading dominance versus exclusive league licenses, explains why those are not the same problem, and talks about what would actually need to happen for competition to return in certain sports. Follow, subscribe, and leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify if you want more long-form conversations like this.Watch Sports Cards Live on YouTube and join the chat when we go live Saturdays. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on Sports Cards Live, we’re joined for an extended conversation by Jason Masherah, President of Upper Deck, covering what’s changing in hockey, what’s driving current momentum, and what collectors should understand about new product innovations. We start with quick show and community updates, including where things stand with POPs & COMPs as it moves through the Amazon review process, plus a Hobby Spectrum update as revised questions prepare to roll out based on collector feedback. Then Jason takes us inside Upper Deck’s Certified Diamond Dealer Conference, why brick and mortar shops remain the lifeblood of the company, and how direct collector feedback still shapes product decisions even in a world of instant reactions from breaks, message boards, and social media. The centerpiece of Part 1 is the new Rookie Debut Game Jersey program landing in Upper Deck Extended. Jason breaks down: How Upper Deck is acquiring full debut jerseys (and why that matters) The three-tier structure (base jersey, jersey auto numbered to the player’s number, and the 1/1 tag) Why Upper Deck chose natural, team-authenticated elements instead of adding a manufactured debut patch Why accessibility matters, not just building one monster 1/1 We close by zooming out: hockey’s current rise, why some believe this is the biggest momentum since the Gretzky trade era, and a candid conversation about the hobby’s mix of collectors vs flippers, including how “hybrid” behavior shows up in the real world. Follow, subscribe, and leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify if you enjoy these conversations.Watch Sports Cards Live on YouTube and join the chat every Saturday night when we’re live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 5 is the back half of the episode where the chat drives the direction, the panel ties bows on the biggest themes, and the show lands the plane on a classic Episode 300 sendoff. We start by reacting to the comment stream and a surprisingly useful debate: what percentage of card show purchases are actually planned vs pure impulse. The answer matters more than people think, especially if you’re a dealer deciding what to put in the case. Then we pivot into a second topic that hits everyone who buys online: photo integrity. Sticker auto vs on-card is the example, but the real question is bigger. How much editing is acceptable, what crosses the line, and what buyers should do when an image feels off. The takeaway is simple: if the photo is misleading, the sale is contaminated. We also touch the Hobby Spectrum directory snapshot, the ongoing Michael Jordan one-of-one decision, merch plans, and wrap Episode 300 with some fun “300” facts and community shoutouts. At a card show, are you a checklist hunter or a “let’s see what hits me” buyer? Have you ever bought a card where the photo made it look better than reality? What should be the rule for auction houses: zero editing, or “reasonable” adjustments? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 4 shifts from card alteration to the everyday reality that actually shapes most collections: buying behavior in the moment. We break down the two main modes of acquiring cards. The long-planned hunt where you research, budget, and wait. And the lightning-strike buy, whether it’s a card show table surprise or an auction ending in 14 minutes that suddenly feels like fate. The panel debates which one feels better, which one backfires more often, and why “spontaneous” isn’t always reckless if it still fits your collecting formula. We also get into the hidden danger nobody wants to admit: the slow budget bleed. A couple hundred bucks here and there feels harmless until you realize you just torched the funds you needed for the card that actually mattered. Are you more premeditated or more impulse, and has it helped or hurt your collection? Do you allow “short-term PC” cards, or do you only buy with lifetime intent What rule keeps you from death-by-a-thousand-deals? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 3 goes straight into the messiest debate in the hobby right now: card “work” that gets cards into PSA slabs, then quietly back onto the market. A Facebook thread shows collectors openly soaking and pressing Gretzky rookies using Kurt’s Card Care, talking about submitting to PSA, and selling afterward. We walk through why that should scare buyers, even when the card ends up in a straight numeric holder. Then we address a comment that tried to lump Mr Minty into the same bucket. We draw a hard line between inspection tools that help you see a card more clearly and products or processes that change the card itself. The distinction matters, and confusing it muddies the conversation. The real core of this segment is the question behind the episode title: are all PSA cards truly the same if the label says the same number? We debate grade worship vs card worship, provenance, disclosure, whether experienced collectors can spot things graders miss, and what happens when the “fix” literally does not last. Where’s your line? Microfiber wipe is fine, but what crosses it for you? Would you pay less for a slabbed card if you knew it was soaked or pressed, even if it is a “9”? If PSA offered a clearly labeled “altered” holder, would you want that market to exist or be banned outright? Subscribe for Part 4 and Part 5 as Episode 300 keeps building. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 2 of Episode 300 brings Leighton Sheldon into the mix and the conversation immediately jumps into rare territory. Two T206 Honus Wagner cards are set to hit the auction market at the same time, something most collectors will never see in their lifetime. We break down how that happens, why one will almost certainly outsell the other, and whether simultaneous offerings actually hurt or help the market. From there, the focus shifts to card shows and expansion. The Dallas Card Show is heading to New Jersey, and that raises a bigger question. What actually makes a card show succeed in a market that has failed before? Location, vendors, buyers, travel radius, brand power, and even food all come into play. The panel digs into why some shows flourish while others fade. Then the conversation turns to liquidity and data as Mantle introduces its new Slam Score. Is it a useful tool for collectors, a metric for operators, or just another number in a hobby already full of them? We debate momentum, fundamentals, eye appeal, and whether liquidity can ever be captured cleanly in a single score. Drop a comment with your prediction. Which Wagner sells for more and why? If you run tables or attend shows, what makes a show worth traveling for? Let us know if you would ever use a Slam Score when buying or selling a card. Subscribe so you do not miss Parts 3, 4, and 5 from Episode 300. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We kick off Episode 300 of Sports Cards Live with a milestone check-in, a quick run through key updates, and a hobby conversation that goes deeper than most collectors ever think to look. We share progress on POPs & COMPs, a behind-the-scenes update on Hobby Spectrum, and a real discussion about the “invisible layer” behind many online auction houses: third-party platforms, data access, and why understanding the rules and infrastructure matters. Then the night takes a turn when Joe recounts his Fanatics Collect Premier Auction moment, dropping a record bid to land a serious Steph Curry grail. The best part is the card is actually nasty. If you’ve taken the Hobby Spectrum assessment, send feedback on any questions that didn’t fit. That’s how we tighten it before wider rollout. Drop a comment: do you care whether an auction house uses proprietary software vs a leased platform? Why or why not? If you’re listening on audio, make sure you’re subscribed so you don’t miss Parts 2–5 from Episode 300. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We finish the public vs private collector debate with real, grounded examples. Jeremy frames the personal side of it: imposter syndrome, introvert vs extrovert energy, security paranoia, social anxiety, and even simple friction like not wanting to be around crowds. Joe explains what changed once he stopped collecting in “incognito mode” and went more public: better conversations, better information, and smarter decision making, even if it occasionally pulls you into rabbit holes before you find your North Star again. Josh adds the collector’s version of the same point: he avoids most hobby news, but social media has been a net positive for building real friendships and getting access to major cards through the network, as long as you curate your feed. Then the show widens out into community updates and current hobby signals. Joe makes a push for the West Coast Card Show, and Jeremy shares a major milestone: the Hobby Spectrum directory hits 500 opt ins, with Louis from Hockey Cards Gong Show landing as the 500th entry. Jeremy previews the next directory upgrades, including standardized player, team, and sport tags to make discovery far more powerful. The panel then reacts to a surprising on the ground report from the Dallas Card Show: Beckett’s Rock Hard Review price jump and a 2.5 to 3 hour line. That spirals into bigger questions about grading market power, pricing, guarantees, and whether collectors ever hit a breaking point. We close with upcoming show reminders and a quick look ahead to episode 300 of Sports Cards Live. In this part, we cover: The real reasons collectors stay private: confidence, security, and social friction Why going public can improve your collecting, even if it creates rabbit holes Curating your feed and avoiding news while still building real relationships West Coast Card Show momentum and meeting collectors in real life Hobby Spectrum directory hits 500 and what standardized tags unlock next Beckett RCR price jump and the “why are people still lining up?” question Grading market power, guarantees, and where collectors draw the line Episode 300 coming up and the week ahead schedule Subscribe to Sports Cards Live on YouTube and turn on notifications for the live show Follow @jlee_sportscardslive on Instagram for clips and updates Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify to support the show Comment on YouTube: are you a public collector or a private collector, and why? Visit TheHobbySpectrum.com to request an access code, take the assessment, and opt into the directory Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We keep digging into Chris HOJ’s MJ 1 of 1 dilemma, but with a new angle: why talk about it publicly at all? Chris explains he’s not trying to broadcast to the whole world, he’s thinking out loud in a tight community, building clarity through dialogue, and inviting outside lenses that can change how he sees the problem. Joe pushes the biggest question of all: after the maneuver is done, do you actually love the card, or do you love the concept? Chris admits the Jordan 90s 1 of 1 project is new since June 2025, and this card was not something he was hunting. The auction forced the decision. He also drops a key distinction: this is “rare and obscure” more than “rare and iconic,” which makes it feel risky from a market standpoint even if it matters deeply to him. We run through chat questions that cut right to the psychology: happiness vs regret, “best” vs “rarest,” the autograph angle, and whether the joy gap matches the value gap. The community also debates prudence and optionality, with the clearest takeaway being that you can “afford” something in card capital while still wondering if you can mentally afford the consequences. Then we pivot to the hobby experience itself: Chris recaps the San Diego Front Row Card Show, including the sports vs TCG mix and a smart “zag” on why those tables can actually speed up the walk. Josh checks in from the Dallas Card Show with pickups and consignments. Finally, Chris introduces a new topic that came directly from Jonathan’s presence on the show: the tradeoff between being a public collector and a private collector. Does visibility help you build a network, buy cards, and sell cards? Does it also expose you, influence what you collect, and create “flex points” that shape your decisions? We start unpacking what you gain, what you lose, and how discovery changes if you are lurking versus not participating at all. In this part, we cover: Why Chris goes public with the dilemma and how dialogue changes decisions “Do you love the card or the concept?” and the risk of a new collecting lane Rare and obscure vs rare and iconic, and why that matters Optionality: 100 cards vs 1 card and the tradeoffs of going all in San Diego Front Row Card Show recap and sports vs TCG reality Josh’s Dallas Card Show notes and consignments New topic: public collector vs private collector and what it changes Subscribe to Sports Cards Live on YouTube so you catch the live show every week Follow @jlee_sportscardslive on Instagram for clips, updates, and behind the scenes If you’re watching on YouTube, hit like and drop a comment: would you go public with a hobby dilemma like this? Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, it helps more collectors find the show Visit TheHobbySpectrum.com to explore the Hobby Spectrum and connect with like minded collectors Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We wrap Jonathan’s debut, run through some of the best chat comments from the “house of slabs” discussion, and one line stops the show: “A PSA 10 transforms a sports card into a financial instrument.” From there, the conversation sharpens into what grading really does, how speed impacts accuracy, and why some collectors are starting to sober up from slab worship. Jonathan gets a proper community welcome and we bring on Chris HOJ, followed by Josh Adams. Then the episode pivots hard into a collector dilemma that hits every nerve in the hobby: a major Michael Jordan 90s 1 of 1 is headed to auction, and Chris is considering a seismic consolidation to chase it. We debate what you gain, what you lose, and whether “nuking” a carefully curated collection is ever worth one apex card. Jeremy argues the memories, stories, and future content pipeline matter more than the trophy. Josh says do it and never look back. Joe lands in the middle: the 1 of 1 stamp matters, it’s probably financially defensible, but you still need a number and a plan because deeper pockets exist. Chris explains the real point of talking it out: dialogue changes how you see everything, and collectors make versions of this decision every day, including the decision to do nothing. In this part, we cover: The chat’s best lines on grading, consistency, and “too big to fail” thinking “PSA 10 as a financial instrument” and why that framing is so accurate Jonathan’s official welcome into the community Chris HOJ and Josh Adams join, and the MJ 1 of 1 auction dilemma kicks off One card vs a whole collection, and what “replaceable” really means Consolidation as sacrifice, strategy, and identity, not just money Why talking it out changes decisions, and why inaction is still a decision Follow Sports Cards Live on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen Subscribe to Sports Cards Live on YouTube for full episodes and live shows Leave a rating and review to help more collectors find the show Drop a comment: would you consolidate your collection for one apex grail, or never? Follow @jlee_sportscardslive on Instagram for clips and updates Take the Hobby Spectrum assessment and request your access code at TheHobbySpectrum.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joe Poirot joins the conversation and we go deep on vintage slab transitions, grading risk, and the psychology of the “slab premium.” Jonathan explains how he moved major cards out of BVG holders without mailing them, including an in person handoff to SGC at Fenway, and why a newer holder can feel like a safer asset even with a downgrade. Then we zoom out to the bigger question sparked by a High Pop Professor video: is the hobby becoming a “house of slabs,” and are we still trapped in cult like grading behavior? We also hit the uncomfortable part: older high grade cards that might not hold up to today’s standards. If collectors pay today’s money for “imposter” high grades and later feel burned, that can shake confidence, push people out of the market, and create downstream damage. Joe breaks down why this risk depends heavily on the lane, with real differences between ultra modern gem rates, 90s inserts, and classic 80s cardboard where PSA 9 to PSA 10 gaps can feel irrational. In this part, we cover: BVG to SGC and PSA crossovers, and how to do it without mailing grails Downgrades, security, and why a newly graded holder can feel safer PSA owning SGC and Beckett and what that does to collector psychology The “same card” thought experiment and whether the holder is the product Older “imposter” high grades and how changing standards create hidden risk Why buyers getting burned could ripple downstream across the market Gradeflation, resubmission incentives, and who ends up holding the bag Why 10s matter in some lanes, and barely matter in others Follow Sports Cards Live on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen Subscribe to Sports Cards Live on YouTube for full episodes and live shows Leave a rating and review to help more collectors find the show Share this episode with a collector who’s chasing old 10s or debating a crossover Follow @jlee_sportscardslive on Instagram for clips and updates Take the Hobby Spectrum assessment and request your access code at TheHobbySpectrum.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jonathan Epstein (IG: @RexCards24) joins Sports Cards Live for his first ever hobby appearance after years of consuming content quietly from the sidelines. We talk about finally stepping into the community, taking the Hobby Spectrum assessment, and landing in the Nostalgic range. Jonathan shares key pieces from his vintage collection including a 1952 Topps Mantle, and we dig into the psychology of price ceilings, emotional attachment to “your copies,” and why upgrading often feels harder than it should. This is a collector conversation about identity, memory, and the invisible rules we all carry into the hobby. In this episode, we cover: Moving from hobby lurker to active community member The Hobby Spectrum result and why it hit so hard Psychological price ceilings and the trap of old prices “My copies” vs upgrading and downgrading decisions Why storytelling matters more than flexing How community actually forms in the hobby Follow Sports Cards Live on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen Subscribe to Sports Cards Live on YouTube for full episodes and live shows Leave a rating and review to help more collectors find the show Share this episode with a collector who still watches from the sidelines Follow @jlee_sportscardslive on Instagram for clips and updates Request your access code and take the Hobby Spectrum assessment at TheHobbySpectrum.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This final segment brings the week to a close with one of the most raw and honest conversations of the episode. The panel wrestles with the idea of “entertainment value” in wax and breaks, pushes back on how people rationalize losses, and digs into why regret, risk, and expected value matter more than most collectors want to admit. It’s blunt, reflective, occasionally uncomfortable, and very much grounded in lived experience rather than theory. The discussion also highlights the difference between nostalgia-driven exceptions and modern price reality, why moderation keeps the hobby sustainable for most people, and how personal thresholds shape collecting behavior far more than hype ever will. Layered throughout is classic Sports Cards Live back-and-forth, humor, chat interaction, and a late-night energy that only comes when people stop posturing and start being honest. Listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, and join us Saturday nights on YouTube for Sports Cards Live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices