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Sound Plus Doctrine, hosted by Bob Kauflin and David Zimmer, is the podcast of Sovereign Grace Music, designed for those who plan, lead, or participate in their church’s Sunday gatherings. Bob has been a pastor for over three decades and leads Sovereign Grace Music. He’s well-known as a worship leader, songwriter, speaker, and author. David, his good friend, is an experienced drummer, vocalist, teacher, and songwriter. Both are now part of Sovereign Grace Church in Louisville, KY, and they’d love for you to join them each week for an engaging, Christ-centered conversation about music and the church.

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Hard Conversations With Yourself

2025/12/01

In previous epidosdes, we’ve talked about having hard conversations with your pastor, musicians, and church members. But conversations with yourself may be the hardest conversations of all. Why do we do what we do? What motivates us to do better? What’s going on when we aren’t excited about serving the church anymore? In this episode, […]

Hard Conversations With Your Church Members

2025/11/24

If you’re a leader in the church, at some point you’re going to have people who have problems with the way you’re doing things. It might be the music, the song choices, or the volume. It might be people in your church who just don’t like to sing. Or it might be the overly enthusiastic […]

Planning, Spontaneity, and Authenticity

2025/11/17

Some leaders love to know and plan every detail of the Sunday service in advance. Others prefer finding out what God will do spontaneously in the course of the meeting. Wherever we fall on the spectrum, both planning and spontaneity are an important part of engaging with God genuinely as we gather. In this episode, […]

Minimizing God's Presence

2025/11/10

Christians who come out of a hyper-charismatic or pentecostal background are often wary of any talk about God’s presence. But Psalm 105:4 encourages us to “seek the LORD and his strength; seek his presence continually!” What does it mean to “seek God’s presence continually” and how can we be committed to the authority, sufficiency, and […]

Manufacturing and Marketing God's Presence

2025/11/03

God’s people are uniquely defined by God’s presence. It’s a sign of his favor, mercy, and covenant love. But bad things happen when we start to speak about God’s presence in a way that makes it sounds like we can control it, or worse, profit financially from it. In this episode, Bob Kauflin and David […]

Leading Your Church Through Change

2025/10/27

There is something profound about a church that faithfully carries out its meetings with a steady consistency, week after week, month after month, year after year. It testifies to the unchanging truths we trust in, rely on, and cling to. But what happens when leaders realize there’s something they could do something better or differently? […]

Worshipping a Big God in a Small Church

2025/10/20

It can be discouraging to attend a worship conference where everyone seems to assume your church has a large staff, several music teams, and an unlimited budget. For most of us, that situation is far from reality. In this episode, Bob and David talk about how to make the most of limited resources, maintain a […]

Checklist for Writing Worship Songs

2025/10/13

We’re grateful for every person who wants to write songs for their church. But how do you avoid the common mistakes that many beginning songwriters fall into? At a recent songwriter camp, we developed a list of potential errors to avoid, and thought it might be helpful to share with others. We hope it’s an […]

Hard Conversations With Your Musicians

2025/10/06

If you lead a team of musicians in your church, you’ve no doubt dealt with problems that need fixing. Lack of skill. Musicians who don’t practice. Vocalists who look disengaged when they sing. Or worse, character issues that need to be addressed. Those conversations can be difficult. In this episode, Bob, David, and Devon talk […]

Hard Conversations With Your Pastor

2025/09/29

What do you do when you lead the singing in your church, but it’s obvious that you and your pastor have disagreements? “My pastor isn’t involved.” “My pastor micro-manages everyone around him.” “My pastor wants me to lead songs I’m not very excited about.” In this episode, David, Devon, and Bob take some time to […]

What If I Struggle When I’m Not Leading?

2025/09/22

Season 10 of Sound Plus Doctrine kicks off with a question from a listener who had to step down from leading congregational worship for a longer period than he expected. Bob, David, and Devon discuss how God often uses times when we don’t serve to help us better understand how we view our role and […]

Should We Sing More Simple Songs?

2025/03/31

Some worship songs move us emotionally but contain little that actually feeds our minds, while others feel like systematic theology set to music. In this episode, Bob, David, and Devon respond to a question from a listener who wonders if we need more theologically driven songs that contain simpler lyrics. We had a great time […]

Fearfully and Wonderfully Made: An Interview with McKenzie Fuller

2025/03/17

Those who know Sovereign Grace Music, recognize the voice, if not the face, of McKenzie Fuller, Bob’s youngest daughter. In this episode, Bob & David talk with McKenzie about a dark season in her life characterized by depression, eating disorders, and self-destructive behavior, and how the Lord has redeemed it for her good and his […]

How Do You Handle Multiple Worship Leaders?

2025/03/10

More than a few churches have different people leading the singing on different Sundays. If not handled wisely, that can make it difficult for a congregation to learn songs or grow in a unified voice. In this episode, Bob and David talk about specific ways those situations can be avoided and multiple leaders can be […]

How Do You Audition Members For Your Team?

2025/03/03

One Sound Plus Doctrine listener wrote in to ask how we handle adding new members to the music team. In this episode, David and Bob talk about how we interview potential musicians at Sovereign Grace Church of Louisville and highlight principles you can put into practice in your church. Have a question about this episode? […]

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mommomjoy 2025/11/10

So blessed

The combination of Scriptural knowledge, a respect for salvation history, enthusiasm and delight in God- Father, Son and Spirit, humility and love of ...

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thebuffalolife 2025/11/06

Status Quo | Season 8, Episode Something or Other

Disappointed in this show. I listened to the Josh Scott of JHS pedals episode, predominantly for Josh and his insight, especially regarding Faith only...

★★★★★

Art and the Bible 2024/12/13

Women Worship Leaders

These men (notice they didn’t interview a woman) didn’t do this topic justice. They only looked at 1 Timothy 2 and they didn’t even do their homework ...

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Nolan_Morse 2024/05/14

Clear and honest

“Let the wise hear and increase in learning, and the one who understands obtain guidance,” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭1‬:‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Sometimes you need advice. Somet...

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Bi Vocational, Georgia 2023/10/19

Great Resource

This has been a great help in thinking through these aspects of our services and lives.

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BriDotMe 2022/12/28

Raw, naked truth.

What a blessing to be able to trust in manifested truth. Don’t be dumb people! The answers are ready and available in the Holy Bible, when accompanied...

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bermudashorts89 2022/11/15

Amazing

I have found my people. To hear other believers put as much thought into what they sing as I do gives me so much joy! I am always encouraged and convi...

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TBIRD03 2021/06/22

Share this with your church!

This resource has been such a blessing to me, and my subsequently my church where I’ve starting to lead the music. This podcast has equipped me with t...

★★★★★

htruman 2021/05/16

Htruman

One of the best worship leading podcasts I’ve ever listened to in my life. All Glory Be to Christ

★★★★★

Illinois Robert 2021/02/21

Love the podcast!

Great insights throughout.

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