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If AI can write code, why are companies hiring more software developers? And why are people starting their careers still struggling to get in?Financial Times columnist and chief data reporter John Burn-Murdoch joins Jimmy to unpack what the data actually tells us about AI, work and opportunity. Hiring for experienced software workers is recovering, while opportunities for new graduates remain flat. If AI can handle the tasks juniors once learned on, how do they gain the experience employers want?John explains why human judgement could become more valuable, how AI-generated applications could push recruitment back towards personal connections, and why predictions of mass unemployment may miss the bottlenecks that still require people.They also explore the forces making it harder to build an adult life: housing pressures, fewer young people forming relationships, falling birth rates and the appeal of better-paid work abroad.In this episode:00:00 AI layoffs reality check01:54 Where job losses show up03:42 Rate hikes vs AI effects05:47 Software jobs rebound06:36 Decide execute deliver08:55 Why juniors still matter11:48 Trainee pipeline dilemma13:42 Networks and meritocracy16:26 Recruitment goes old school18:17 Hiring at the FT20:14 Journalism identity shift24:13 Job titles and personal brand27:33 Computer science enrollment dip30:46 Deep knowledge beats tasks35:48 Jevons paradox and training37:34 AI and non AI assessments39:36 Bottlenecks and productivity41:07 AI Bottlenecks Need Humans42:58 Birth Rates Falling Everywhere45:09 Housing And Digital Media48:53 Social Media Gender Divide51:24 Dating Apps And Work Ties53:37 Why Low Birth Rates Matter57:40 UK Centralization And Housing59:05 Broken Jobs Data Problem01:03:15 UK Emigration And Pay Gaps01:07:58 Fixing Britains Growth Story01:09:18 UK Role In Global AI01:12:04 Will AI Cause Unemployment01:13:39 Iced Coffee Interview Debate01:15:09 Pink Socks And Dress Codes01:17:48 Favorite Chart And Wrap UpSubscribe to Jimmy’s Jobs of the Future for more conversations about work, technology and the changing economy.********** Got an idea for our next episode? Drop us a line at [email protected] Follow us on socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmysjobs Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jimmysjobsofthefuture Twitter / X: https://www.twitter.com/JimmyM Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-mcloughlin-obe/ Sponsor the show or Partner with us: [email protected] Check out our clips channel here! ⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@JimmysJobsClips Credits: Host / Exec Producer: Jimmy McLoughlin OBE Producer: Thuy Dong Social Producer: Alex Kularatnam Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Football, Power and Shirts: On China, FIFA and Fields of Power In a wide-ranging conversation, journalist Joey D'Urso discusses how football and politics have always been intertwined, from FIFA’s unpopularity in the UK and World Cup expansion debates to historical links with regimes and soft power. Drawing on his book More Than a Shirt, he explains China’s top-down push to become a football power, the use of football by the state, and figures like Li Tie amid opaque corruption allegations. The discussion covers how national-team success depends on deep football ecosystems, France’s team as an immigrant story, and football’s roots in industrialization and natural resources. Joey outlines his career from BBC Westminster and BuzzFeed to The Athletic and The Times, his shift to full-time writing, and monetization via Substack, social media, and freelance work. He previews his next book, Fields of Power, telling 20th-century history through 20 stadiums worldwide. Chapters 00:00 FIFA Backlash 00:24 China Football Ambitions 01:58 Corruption And Control 03:24 Why Money Isnt Enough 05:35 France Culture And Ecosystems 07:32 Industry And Soft Power 08:55 From Politics To Football Writing 12:13 When Football Turned Political 15:37 Colombia Shirt Crime Story 18:46 New Book Fields Of Power 20:29 Breaking Into Football Journalism 22:20 Original Ideas In An AI Era 24:00 Making Money Plans 25:45 Nonlinear Growth Lessons 26:56 Football as Live Media 30:04 Stadiums and Tailgating 31:43 FIFA Revenue and Hosts 33:14 FIFA Criticism and Culture 35:14 New Book Story Teasers 37:03 More World Cups and AI 38:27 Data Driven Clubs 41:00 Attendances Up Atmosphere Down 44:02 Bigger World Cup Debate 45:33 Wrap Up and Thanks ********** Follow us on socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmysjobs Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jimmysjobsofthefuture Twitter / X: https://www.twitter.com/JimmyM Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-mcloughlin-obe/ Want to come on the show? [email protected] Sponsor the show or Partner with us: [email protected] Check out our clips channel here! ⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@JimmysJobsClips Credits: Host / Exec Producer: Jimmy McLoughlin OBE Producer: Thuy Dong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jimmy interviews author Dan Wang about his book "Breakneck" and why the UK and other Western societies struggle to build infrastructure, contrasting Britain’s strengths in “sounding clever” industries (universities, finance, media) with weak construction capacity and rule-bound governance that stalls projects. We discuss how “verbal cleverness,” PPE and law-heavy elites in the UK and US, and litigation-driven processes since the 1970s have reduced state capacity and deterred ambitious people from public service, versus China’s engineer-led political culture and legitimacy-through-building (dams, bridges, high-speed rail). We also cover meritocracy and immigration in the US/UK, AI’s uncertain impact on software, legal, and “busy work” jobs, the value of embodied reporting, Singapore’s high-paid civil service model, lost manufacturing process knowledge in the US, and Apple’s intensive China supply-chain feedback loop. 00:00 Britain Talks Not Builds 04:05 Why The West Stopped Building 07:45 PPE Politics And Brexit 09:05 America The Lawyer Elite 14:08 Meritocracy And Immigration 17:27 Poetry Versus Engineering 20:06 China Engineer Leadership 27:21 AI Software Or Hardware 30:10 Work Stamina After AI 32:02 Writer Work And Travel 37:01 Restoring State Capacity 43:26 Process Knowledge Manufacturing 49:18 Generations And Opportunity ********** Follow us on socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmysjobs Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jimmysjobsofthefuture Twitter / X: https://www.twitter.com/JimmyM Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-mcloughlin-obe/ Want to come on the show? [email protected] Sponsor the show or Partner with us: [email protected] Check out our clips channel here! ⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@JimmysJobsClips Credits: Host / Exec Producer: Jimmy McLoughlin OBE Producer: Thuy Dong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jimmy visits Gravity Industries in Somerset to meet founder Richard Browning, the inventor behind the real-life jet suit. Richard takes Jimmy inside Gravity’s HQ, explains how an oil trader ended up building a flying suit, and shows what it takes to turn a seemingly impossible idea into a £100m business operating across 53 countries. Jimmy also gets suited up to attempt his first hover. Watch him take off, and, well, mostly land, on our YouTube channel. Link below: They discuss how Gravity trains jet suit pilots, the company’s work with Special Forces and emergency response teams, the world’s first jet suit race series, and why Richard believes Britain needs to get more comfortable with ambition, innovation and recoverable failure. In this episode: How Richard Browning built a real-life Iron Man-style flying suit What it costs—and what it takes—to fly one Gravity’s work in entertainment, military mobility and medical response Building a 30-person company valued at around $100m Hiring for initiative, not just qualifications How to take big risks without betting the company This episode is supported by Octopus Legacy. They’re offering Jimmy’s Jobs of the Future viewers a free simple will, plus money off a trust. Find out more via the link below: octopuslegacy.com/free-will-jimmy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jack and Jill: AI Agents Rewiring Hiring and Job Search Jimmy interviews Matthew Wilson, founder of Jack and Jill, about how AI is worsening recruitment noise by automating mass applications and outbound recruiting, making traditional CV-based signaling less effective. Matt explains Jack and Jill’s two AI agents: Jack helps individuals find and prepare for “dream jobs” through deep voice-based profiling, job matching, interview practice, and salary benchmarking (free for users), while Jill helps companies hire by capturing nuanced role needs and matching against Jack’s user network; the company has 350,000 users and thousands of companies, mainly across London, San Francisco, and New York. Matt shares his background (Yorkshire Dales, Oxford, inspiration from a Batley-based startup), building Omnipresent (remote employment infrastructure later sold to Deel), and lessons on competitive advantage. They discuss early-career guidance, AI tool literacy, major white-collar work changes, Jevons paradox, small high-talent teams, transparent high pay, and hiring via paid trial days and networks. 00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro 00:27 AI Hiring Spam Problem 03:19 What Jack and Jill Builds 04:03 Why Job Search Feels Random 06:45 Jack the Career Agent 08:02 Jill the Hiring Agent 08:49 First Principles Recruiting 10:04 Advice for Early Careers 12:57 From Yorkshire to Startups 16:36 Building Omnipresent in COVID 19:47 Selling to Deel Lessons 24:22 Choosing the Next Venture 25:45 AI as Patient Career Coach 29:03 Why Work Changes Lives 31:00 Reimagining Recruitment 31:44 AI Tool Fluency 34:03 Career Catapult Mindset 34:29 White Collar Disruption 36:39 Jobs Change Not Vanish 38:41 Jevons Paradox Debate 40:05 Bureaucracy Versus Leverage 42:50 Building a Lean Team 42:59 Pay Transparency Hiring 48:52 Scaling Across Markets 51:39 Fast Hiring Playbook 53:56 Paid Trial Workdays 57:09 Early Hires Through Networks 59:30 First Employees Matter 59:58 Closing Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sara Davies on Changing Dragon’s Den, Building a Personal Brand, and Why Small Business Is Tougher Than Ever Jimmy welcomes Sara Davies as the first “Dragon” guest on Jimmy’s Jobs of the Future, discussing how she brought a more empathetic, collaborative approach to Dragon’s Den by refusing to be “more dragon-y” and staying true to herself. Sara explains how her confidence grew over six years on the show, how her investing prioritizes working with entrepreneurs and impact over pure returns, and the questions she asks founders about why an idea might not work and who their real competitors are. She contrasts hiring versus investing criteria, emphasizing cultural fit, non-verbal communication, and surrounding yourself with complementary skills. Sara also shares her personal branding process, her approach to BHAGs and thinking time, and how she uses AI to condense her own ideas rather than generate generic posts. She also covers content strategy, the challenges facing small businesses amid Brexit, the pandemic, and economic pressures, and highlights memorable Den deals and lessons. ********** Follow us on socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmysjobs Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jimmysjobsofthefuture Twitter / X: https://www.twitter.com/JimmyM Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-mcloughlin-obe/ Want to come on the show? [email protected] Sponsor the show or Partner with us: [email protected] Check out our clips channel here! ⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@JimmysJobsClips Credits: Host / Exec Producer: Jimmy McLoughlin OBE Producer: Thuy Dong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is the second part of our interview with Ed Conway, Sky News Economics Editor, author of Trade World and Material World. The first part is out on all platforms. ---- Ed Conway on Trade Wars, Bread Monocultures, and the Fragile Supply Chains Behind Modern Life Sky News Economics editor Ed Conway discusses his book Trade World, based on two years of research into how bread, cars, and textiles are made and traded, arguing globalization has made goods cheaper by concentrating production into a few places, creating dangerous vulnerabilities. He highlights monocultures in crops such as wheat and bananas, focusing on the wheat disease UG99 and how industrial bread relies on just one or two wheat varieties, drawing parallels to the Gros Michel banana collapse and risks to the Cavendish. This is the first part of our interview with Ed. The second part drops later this week. Watch the full interview on YouTube ⁠here⁠. Chapters 00:00 Food Supply Sword 00:29 Meet Ed Conway 02:08 Will We Run Out 05:05 Bread Still Matters 06:44 Innovation Beats Doom 13:37 Writing Material World 18:32 Three Products Focus 22:43 AI And Conversation 24:17 UG99 Wheat Threat 24:54 Monocultures And Risk 33:29 Chokepoints And Stockpiles 40:56 Tracking Product Journeys 42:17 Russia Wheat Surge 42:47 Wheat as Power 44:30 Automation and Bakeries 48:25 Lights Out Mills 52:04 AI as Job Tool 53:51 Markets Need Work 56:31 Red Flag Lessons 01:03:22 Who Makes Cars 01:10:28 China EV Shock 01:17:24 The 80 Pound T Shirt 01:20:40 Blue Plaques for Industry 01:23:02 Humans in AI Age ********** Follow us on socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmysjobs Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jimmysjobsofthefuture Twitter / X: https://www.twitter.com/JimmyM Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-mcloughlin-obe/ Want to come on the show? [email protected] Sponsor the show or Partner with us: [email protected] Check out our clips channel here! ⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@JimmysJobsClips Credits: Host / Exec Producer: Jimmy McLoughlin OBE Producer: Thuy Dong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ed Conway on Trade Wars, Bread Monocultures, and the Fragile Supply Chains Behind Modern Life Sky News Economics editor Ed Conway discusses his book Trade World, based on two years of research into how bread, cars, and textiles are made and traded, arguing globalization has made goods cheaper by concentrating production into a few places, creating dangerous vulnerabilities. He highlights monocultures in crops such as wheat and bananas, focusing on the wheat disease UG99 and how industrial bread relies on just one or two wheat varieties, drawing parallels to the Gros Michel banana collapse and risks to the Cavendish. This is the first part of our interview with Ed. The second part drops later this week. Watch the full interview on YouTube here. Chapters 00:00 Food Supply Sword 00:29 Meet Ed Conway 02:08 Will We Run Out 05:05 Bread Still Matters 06:44 Innovation Beats Doom 13:37 Writing Material World 18:32 Three Products Focus 22:43 AI And Conversation 24:17 UG99 Wheat Threat 24:54 Monocultures And Risk 33:29 Chokepoints And Stockpiles 40:56 Tracking Product Journeys 42:17 Russia Wheat Surge 42:47 Wheat as Power 44:30 Automation and Bakeries 48:25 Lights Out Mills 52:04 AI as Job Tool 53:51 Markets Need Work ********** Follow us on socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmysjobs Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jimmysjobsofthefuture Twitter / X: https://www.twitter.com/JimmyM Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-mcloughlin-obe/ Want to come on the show? [email protected] Sponsor the show or Partner with us: [email protected] Check out our clips channel here! ⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@JimmysJobsClips Credits: Host / Exec Producer: Jimmy McLoughlin OBE Producer: Thuy Dong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Georgia Harrison on Revenge Porn, Changing the Law, and the Real Work Behind Being an Influencer This week, Georgia joins Jimmy to describe her work as a celebrity campaigner, author, and influencer, and explains why creating content is a real job that requires research, editing, trend awareness, and constant posting across platforms. She recounts how a former boyfriend filmed her without consent and sold the footage online, leading her to waive anonymity, take him to court, and campaign to remove the “intent to cause distress” loophole in the 2015 revenge porn law, work that earned her an MBE. Georgia says current rules still fail victims, calling for faster takedowns than 48 hours, a “kill switch” system, stronger enforcement on tech companies, and action on the rise of intimate image abuse and manosphere content. She and Jimmy also discuss motherhood, online trolling in politics, LinkedIn’s professional benefits, and taking risks despite embarrassment. 00:00 Intro 01:23 Influencer Life Explained 03:11 Reality TV Journey 03:55 Why She Became Activist 04:54 Abuse And Court Fight 08:47 Going Public For Evidence 11:26 Beyond Revenge Porn 12:32 Georgia’s Law Proposal 14:32 Tech Companies Accountability 15:55 Shame Empowerment Motherhood 19:20 Politics Like Reality TV 27:32 Trolling Bots And Safety 31:48 Receiving The MBE 34:20 Tackling The Manosphere 35:38 Manosphere Money Funnel 36:58 Creator Economy Explained 38:08 Trends Algorithms Workflow 40:56 Brand Deals And Campaigns 45:18 Styling Image Strategy 47:50 Fearless Mindset Failing 50:20 Why LinkedIn Works 54:25 Paying Mum For Childcare 56:53 Early Jobs Hustle 59:01 Love Island Leap 01:01:46 Mentor Boss Can Do 01:03:24 Reality TV Business Pitch ********** Follow us on socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmysjobs Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jimmysjobsofthefuture Twitter / X: https://www.twitter.com/JimmyM Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-mcloughlin-obe/ Want to come on the show? [email protected] Sponsor the show or Partner with us: [email protected] Check out our clips channel here! ⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@JimmysJobsClips Credits: Host / Exec Producer: Jimmy McLoughlin OBE Producer: Thuy Dong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What happens when Downing Street texts on a Sunday asking if you can interview the Prime Minister two days later? In this special episode of Jimmy vs the Producers, Jimmy sits down with growth leads Aggie and Annabel, alongside producer Thuy, to unpack the whirlwind behind our Andy Burnham interview. Aggie and Annabel ask Jimmy how the opportunity compared with interviewing Tony Blair and Keir Starmer, what went into preparing for the conversation in just 48 hours, and why this felt like an “Olympic medal moment” for the show. Thuy then turns the tables on Jimmy to discuss how they first connected through LinkedIn, how a one-day-a-week university placement became a full-time producing role, and how relationships and social capital can compound into career-changing opportunities. This episode is supported by LinkedIn. Watch the full Andy Burnham interview: https://youtu.be/mXnO06QfnCM Subscribe for more conversations about the people, businesses and ideas shaping the future of work. ********** Follow us on socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmysjobs Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jimmysjobsofthefuture Twitter / X: https://www.twitter.com/JimmyM Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-mcloughlin-obe/ Want to come on the show? [email protected] Sponsor the show or Partner with us: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Inside Number 10: Jimmy on Tim Cook, getting a wedding letter from Theresa May, and Starting Jobs of the Future We decided to swap the seats this week: Jimmy is the guest. He went on The Independent's In The Room to talk about the three years he spent deciding who got through the door of Number 10 and what that taught him about how people actually get hired. Helen MacNamara, the former Deputy Cabinet Secretary, and Cleo Watson, former special adviser to Theresa May and Boris Johnson, run a summer series called Lessons from Number 10 - what it's really like to work behind that black door. Jimmy worked with both of them. Which, given this show spent the last month asking how you get in the room when you know nobody, is a fairly on-the-nose demonstration of the answer. In this conversation: what the Prime Minister's Business Director actually does all day, why Number 10 has no floor plan and what that does to a new starter, how he got entrepreneurs into the building instead of the companies with big lobbying teams, what business consistently misunderstands about government and the other way round, why bringing business leaders into politics so often doesn't work, the trade trips and the logistics of losing CEOs in foreign countries, and the day it all stopped being fun. Also: the origin story of this podcast. A question Theresa May asked him one morning about where jobs actually come from - and why he's been trying to answer it ever since. Thanks to Helen, Cleo and the team at In The Room for letting us play this here. Their show is at @intheroom.pod, and it's part of The Independent Podcast Network, produced with Next Chapter Studios. Jimmy's Jobs of the Future is a show about work, careers and how people actually get hired - long-form interviews with the people who do the hiring. Next week: Jimmy vs the Producers, on Andy Burnham interview. You can read Jimmy's piece on the BTS of our Andy Burnham interview here: https://jimmysjobs.substack.com/p/did-i-like-andy-burnham Follow us on socials at @jimmysjobs, and follow Jimmy on Instagram at @jimmymcjournal for more content. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

AI, Sovereign Compute, and the Future of Family Business in the UK | Steve Rigby on Jobs of the Future In 2026, Steve Rigby joins Jimmy’s Jobs of the Future to discuss why AI adoption in large companies will be slower than hype suggests because it requires difficult process transformation plus governance and security, while SMEs can move faster with low barriers to entry. He argues the UK is behind on preparing society and government for disruption, citing data that 39% of MPs have never used AI and calling for a multi-department “war footing,” including urgent AI data-center expansion and sovereign compute backed by government offtake. Rigby explains his role as chair of Family Business UK, the impact of new 20% tax charges on intergenerational transfers, and why the UK incentivizes selling businesses over long-term ownership. He outlines the Rigby Group’s scale, family succession planning, his philanthropy and education programs, and his efforts to influence policy via media, LinkedIn, and a new podcast. 00:00 AI Shift Like the 90s 00:43 Why Big Firms Move Slow 01:46 Reskilling and Job Risk 04:14 MPs Not Using AI 06:50 Data Centers and Compute 08:49 AI Sovereignty Plan 10:31 Chairing Family Business UK 11:22 Tax Changes Hit Succession 12:51 Rigby Group Overview 15:14 London Family Office Hub 16:40 Non Doms and Tax Carrots 19:39 UK Incentives and Mittelstand 22:40 First Jobs and Joining Family Firm 25:28 Building Tech Retail in the 90s 27:42 Family Business Life and Succession 29:40 Preparing the Next Generation 32:21 Kids Careers Outside the Firm 33:29 What Intelligence Really Means 34:08 Learning Styles Matter 34:42 Tech Powered Classrooms 36:24 Cradle to Career Impact 38:23 Inspiring Futures Model 40:12 Plural Career Time Split 41:44 Influencing Policy and Media 44:40 Family Business UK Growth 46:39 Podcast for Hard Issues 48:59 Sleep Data and Health Tech 52:22 Competitive Sports Journey 57:12 Giving Values and Dividends 57:58 Future of Family Firms 01:00:40 Mittelstand and UK Incentives 01:02:28 Podcast Pick and Wrap Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Prime Minister Andy Burnham on Youth Unemployment, Work Shadowing, and the Future of Work | Jimmy’s Jobs of the Future Thanks to LinkedIn for partnering on this episode. Learn more about how the UK labour market is changing in the age of AI in LinkedIn’s latest report: ⁠https://lnkd.in/labour-market-report⁠  In a special early interview at 10 Downing Street, Prime Minister Andy Burnham joins Jimmy to discuss why too many young people are struggling to get their first break, and what government, employers and senior leaders can do about it. Reflecting on his own journey from an unpaid local newspaper reporter to Prime Minister, Andy explains why family connections often matter more than qualifications, why work shadowing can transform a young person's confidence, and why every leader should help open the door for someone without an established network. They also discuss the future of education, apprenticeships, AI, recruitment, social capital and why Britain needs to value technical careers as much as university degrees. Andy shares what he looks for when hiring, why creativity and communication remain essential skills in the age of AI, and the leadership lessons that have shaped his career. Chapters: 00:00 Intro 00:29 Sponsor 01:49 PM Priorities on Youth Jobs 02:50 Early Career and Drift 05:35 Social Capital and Access 06:53 Hiring and Leadership Skills 08:51 Ambition Beyond London 09:42 English Degree and Creativity 12:24 Kids View of Job Market 13:49 Placements and Employer Role 17:26 AI and Future of Work 18:30 LinkedIn Data Break 19:51 Apprenticeships and Reform 21:28 Nostalgia Game and Advice 26:24 Closing Note and LinkedIn Credits: Jimmy McLoughlin OBE Thuy Dong Aggie Mellor Annabel Wilcken Ethan Pearman Josh Eames Laura Dunn Special thanks to: Sunny Winter Nguyen Anh Duc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, a special crossover episode: Jimmy's Jobs of the Future meets What We Don't Know. Check out What We Don't Know here Hayaatun Sillem, host of What We Don't Know, spent eight years as CEO of the Royal Academy of Engineering - the first woman, and the first person in over two decades, to hold the role. Before that: 8 years of biochemistry, a walkout from the lab that ended her PhD overnight, and a stint advising Parliament on everything from forensic science to carbon capture. She also co-chaired Lewis Hamilton's commission on the representation of Black people in UK motorsport, and is now a founding trustee of his charity, Mission 44. In this conversation, Jimmy and Hayaatun cover the moment people mistook her for anyone but the CEO, the leadership skill she thinks is most underrated, the decision to leave a job she loved while she was still doing her best work, and why she thinks "more jazz than classical" is the only way to lead through uncertainty now. ********** Follow us on socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmysjobs Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jimmysjobsofthefuture Twitter / X: https://www.twitter.com/JimmyM Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-mcloughlin-obe/ Want to come on the show? [email protected] Sponsor the show or Partner with us: [email protected] Check out our clips channel here! ⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@JimmysJobsClips Credits: Host / Exec Producer: Jimmy McLoughlin OBE Producer: Sunny Winter Producer: Thuy Dong Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Heathrow isn't just an airport - it's one of the UK's largest workplaces. Every day, more than 200,000 passengers pass through Heathrow, supported by around 100,000 people working across hundreds of different roles. From firefighters and engineers to security teams, baggage handlers and AI specialists, it's a city-sized operation that has to work flawlessly, every single day. In this episode, Jimmy sits down with Thomas Woldbye, CEO of Heathrow Airport, to explore what it really takes to run one of Britain's most complex organisations. They discuss: Why Heathrow employs around 100,000 people The leadership challenges of running a 24/7 operation How AI is changing the future of airports Why security queues have fallen to under five minutes The case for Heathrow's third runway How Heathrow balances growth, sustainability and passenger experience What makes a great leader in high-pressure environments Whether you're interested in leadership, infrastructure, business, operations or the future of work, this conversation offers a rare look behind the scenes of one of the world's busiest airports. Chapters: 00:00 The UK's Biggest Workplace 01:28 Why Heathrow Is Britain's Biggest Workplace 05:12 What Does the Heathrow CEO Actually Do? 09:45 Leading 100,000 People 15:34 Behind the Scenes of Running an Airport 20:48 Security, AI & The Future of Travel 27:41 Why Heathrow Wants a Third Runway 34:26 Can Heathrow Keep Growing 40:55 Sustainability vs Growth 47:18 Crisis Leadership & Decision Making 53:07 Careers at Heathrow 58:14 Leadership Lessons from Running Heathrow 01:03:10 Quick Fire Questions ********** Follow us on socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmysjobs Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jimmysjobsofthefuture Twitter / X: https://www.twitter.com/JimmyM Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-mcloughlin-obe/ Want to come on the show? [email protected] Sponsor the show or Partner with us: [email protected] Check out our clips channel here! ⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@JimmysJobsClips Credits: Host / Exec Producer: Jimmy McLoughlin OBE Producer: Sunny Winter Producer: Thuy Dong This is a partnership with Heathrow Airport. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices