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Cutting emissions is the first job, but scientists say we also need to remove carbon that is already in the air, and how we do it will decide whether people trust it. Ugbaad Kosar brings a human-rights lens to the question, shaped by the 2011 drought and famine that reached her family in Somalia. In this conversation she explains the range of carbon removal approaches, from soil and forests to direct air capture and the ocean, and why the land-based options may be the ones ready to go today. She also makes the case that community input is not a courtesy but a requirement, with data centers as a real-time lesson, and shares what Carbon180's CORE framework asks of anyone building a project. You will leave with practical ways to get informed and speak up when a project is proposed near you. Show Note: 00:00 – Why Land-Based Carbon Removal Benefits Go Beyond Carbon 00:28 – Introduction to Care More Be Better 00:47 – Meet Ugbaad Kosar: Equity and Justice at Carbon180 02:26 – Ugbaad’s Journey Into Climate Science and Environmental Justice 06:07 – What Is Carbon Removal and Why Do We Need It? 08:01 – Why Carbon Removal Must Work Alongside Emissions Reduction 09:50 – Iceland’s Circular Carbon Removal and Algae Project 14:14 – Why Carbon Removal Requires a Portfolio of Solutions 15:10 – Exploring Carbon Removal Technologies and Their Potential 18:00 – Land-Based Carbon Removal: Practical Solutions We Can Scale Today 22:03 – Ocean-Based Carbon Removal: Opportunities and Uncertainties 25:48 – The Hidden Benefits of Regenerative Agriculture 26:32 – Technology-Based Carbon Removal and Community Benefits 28:34 – What Data Centers Teach Us About Community Engagement 32:05 – Creating Meaningful Benefits for Local Communities 37:47 – Supporting Farmers Through the Transition to Regenerative Practices 39:55 – Building Equity and Justice Into Carbon Removal 40:16 – Carbon180’s Community Regranting Program 43:15 – Bringing Science, Innovation, Equity, and Justice Together 47:23 – Introducing the CORE Carbon Removal Framework 50:56 – Transparency and Accountability in Climate Projects 52:46 – How Individuals Can Support Responsible Carbon Removal 55:11 – What Gives Ugbaad Hope for the Future? 56:37 – Closing Thoughts and Supporting Prescott College About Ugbaad Kosar Ugbaad Kosar is the Director of Equity and Justice at Carbon180, where she leads the organization's equity and justice program. Her work focuses on ensuring that carbon removal is credible, accountable, and shaped by the communities most impacted by climate solutions. With more than eight years of interdisciplinary experience in environmental science research, policy development, advocacy, and data analysis, Ugbaad works to advance inclusive and equitable climate policy. Previously, she worked for the City of Ottawa, informing municipal and provincial environmental legislation, and developed policy for both a grassroots organization and the City of Edmonton. Ugbaad holds a dual Master of Science in forest sciences and renewable resource management from the University of Alberta and the University of Freiburg, as well as a bachelor's degree from Carleton University. Her writing has appeared in The Hill and Electricity Journal. Connect with Ugbaad Kosar Carbon180 Ugbaad Kosar on LinkedIn Learn More The CORE Carbon Removal Framework Introducing the CORE Carbon Removal Framework Carbon180 also publishes The Carbon Copy, a weekly news roundup, at Carbon180.org. CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This week, we’re sharing a bonus episode from Care More Be Better’s unfiltered sibling show, Care Less Be Worse: The Environmental News Rant. This version has been edited for language. In 2026, we lost some of the people who made a better world feel possible, and in a single 24-hour stretch this week, we lost three of them. Corinna honors seven allies who spent their lives protecting the land, the animals, the workers, and the communities living in the shadow of smokestacks. Anthony Head championed animal rescue alongside his late partner, animal welfare campaigner Sarah Fisher. Dolly Parton helped create a sanctuary for bald eagles and showed up for her neighbors when wildfires swept through the Smoky Mountains. Wendell Berry installed solar panels in coal country and protested strip mining well into his late seventies. Gloria Steinem reminded us that our movements are “linked, not ranked.” Patrick Stewart warned that our planet’s decline was accelerating and called for a new Star Trek to remind us what humanity could be. Dolores Huerta co-founded the United Farm Workers, fought for the people who feed us, and gave us “Sí se puede.” And Desmond D’Sa, the Goldman Prize-winning activist, spent more than 30 years fighting refinery pollution in South Durban, even after his home was firebombed. This episode begins in grief and ends with a call to carry their work forward. As Dolores Huerta put it: don’t wait to be invited, step in. Election Day is Tuesday. Find your voting information at vote.gov. Remembering them Patrick Stewart (NPR): https://www.npr.org/2026/10/29/1230906945/patrick-stewart-dead Dolores Huerta (TIME): https://time.com/article/2026/10/28/dolores-huerta-dies/ Desmond D’Sa (Mail & Guardian): https://mg.co.za/the-green-guardian/2026-10-29-desmond-d-sa-fearless-champion-of-environmental-justice-dies-in-crash/ Gloria Steinem (ABC News): https://abcnews.com/US/feminist-icon-journalist-gloria-steinem-dies/story?id=82183161 Wendell Berry (The Guardian): https://www.theguardian.com/books/2026/sep/01/wendell-berry-us-author-dead Dolly Parton (NPR): https://www.npr.org/2026/08/25/nx-s1-3650175/dolly-parton-obituary Anthony Head (Playbill): https://playbill.com/article/stage-and-screen-actor-anthony-head-has-died-at-72 For the uncensored version, follow Care Less Be Worse: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/care-less-be-worse-the-environmental-news-rant/id6826374983 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ma3uZooZf1pQ4jdmG2Oy8 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/61e2aca8-9f31-45a0-809a-06190c56b559/care-less-be-worse-the-environmental-news-rant iHeart: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-care-less-be-worse-the-env-348283076 Rant there. Recover here. Join our circle at https://caremorebebetter.com and @caremorebebetter. Get a story that fired you up? Send it to [email protected]. Background music courtesy of Arches Audio’s free song of the week, June 8, 2021. CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This week, we’re sharing a bonus episode from Care More Be Better’s unfiltered sibling show, Care Less Be Worse: The Environmental News Rant. This version has been bleeped for this feed. For the uncensored version and a full list of sources, follow Care Less Be Worse: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/care-less-be-worse-the-environmental-news-rant/id6826374983 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ma3uZooZf1pQ4jdmG2Oy8 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/61e2aca8-9f31-45a0-809a-06190c56b559/care-less-be-worse-the-environmental-news-rant iHeart: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-care-less-be-worse-the-env-348283076 SHOW NOTES: Caring deeply about the world means getting angry sometimes, too. In this episode, Corinna gets personal about one of the least-covered costs of climate change: the bill that comes after the fire and the flood. She shares what it’s been like to live in the Santa Cruz Mountains since the CZU Lightning Complex in 2020, to watch friends lose their homes and their insurance, to have her home office flood three times during the atmospheric rivers of 2022 to 2023, and to see her fire insurance premium more than quadruple since 2009. She also looks at this week’s king tide flooding in Marin, a potentially record-breaking El Niño, the latest California FAIR Plan rate hike, rising construction costs, the shrinking federal disaster safety net, and why so many homeowners still aren’t connecting their rising insurance bills to a warming planet. It’s raw, it’s personal, and it ends with a fiery call to action ahead of Election Day. Find your voting information at vote.gov. Key sources from this episode California FAIR Plan rate hike (KQED): https://www.kqed.org/news/12094860/california-fair-plan-announces-29-1-rate-hike-for-homeowners-this-fall What climate change costs U.S. households (MIT Sloan): https://mitsloan.mit.edu/press/why-climate-change-costing-u-s-households-hundreds-dollars-a-year NOAA 2026 to 2027 Winter Outlook: https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/el-nino-looms-large-over-us-winter-outlook Marin flooding as a preview of El Niño winter (NBC Bay Area): https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/marin-county-flooding-high-tides-el-nino/4164618/ Background music courtesy of Arches Audio’s free song of the week, June 8, 2021. Rant there. Recover here. Next week, we’re back with more conversations with the people building a better future. Join our circle at https://caremorebebetter.com and @caremorebebetter. CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Feeling discouraged about politics does not have to mean tuning out. Jenna Spinelle has spent years telling the stories of ordinary people who saw a problem, found like-minded neighbors, and started working on it, whether or not they won. In this conversation, Jenna traces her path from local newspapers and Penn State admissions to building a network of democracy podcasts, explains why city councils and school boards are the most accessible place to start, and shares what she is learning while writing a book about the democracy reform movement. You will leave with a short list of organizations, books, and one-hour actions that make participation feel doable. Episode Blog is here: https://caremorebebetter.com/democracy-works-when-we-do-hope-reform-and-how-to-get-involved-with-jenna-spinelle/ Topics Covered [00:00] Intro [02:30] Jenna's path from print journalism and Penn State admissions to the McCourtney Institute and Democracy Works [03:38] How The Democracy Group network came together, and why Care More Be Better is now part of it [05:02]Registering voters as a college freshman in 2004 and how student engagement has changed [07:33]Holding hope and concern at the same time, and limiting news to protect your mental health [10:00] Why local government (city council, school board) is where you are most likely to effect change [12:51] Stories from When the People Decide: everyday people working on grassroots democracy reform [15:33] Ballot measures as a messy but useful tool, and the Citizens Initiative Review [17:20] Why the 25th and 26th Amendment stories show that one person can start something [20:07] A Florida resident who raised concerns about Flock cameras with his city council [22:22] Jenna's forthcoming book and the 96% of Americans frustrated with the status quo (Pew) [25:40] Umbrella organizations to start with: National Association of Nonpartisan Reformers, Bridge Alliance, iCivics [28:02] Finding common ground on clean air, clean water, and public lands, and Jenna's work with Common Ground USA [30:27]Low-lift ways to connect: democracy happy hours, Zoom and Slack groups, and Podcast Brunch Club [33:02] If you have one hour this month: preview your ballot, plan to vote, learn about being a poll worker [35:30] Why Jenna is hopeful about Gen Z, and her Agora Institute project connecting creators and democracy organizations [38:00] Five-year outlook: campaign finance reform, open primaries, ranked choice voting, and the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact [40:20] Ranked choice voting explained in plain language [44:50] A closing challenge: pick something that matters to you and join with your neighbors Resources and Links Jenna Spinelle: https://jennaspinelle.com/ The Democracy Group: https://democracygroup.org/ NOTE: Get a free guide from The Democracy Group: nine ways to take action as a citizen (when you subscribe on their website) When the People Decide: https://democracygroup.org/shows/when-the-people-decide Democracy Works: https://www.democracyworkspodcast.com/ National Association of Nonpartisan Reformers: https://www.nonpartisanreformers.org/ Bridge Alliance: https://www.bridgealliance.us/ iCivics: https://www.icivics.org/ Vote411 (League of Women Voters): https://www.vote411.org/ Ballotpedia sample ballot lookup: https://ballotpedia.org/Sample_ballot_lookup_tools Katharine Hayhoe: https://www.katharinehayhoe.com/ Common Ground USA https://www.cg-usa.org/ The Pennsylvania Resilient State Working Group: https://www.resilientpa.org/ I Never Thought of It That Way by Monica Guzman High Conflict by Amanda Ripley Citizens Initiative Review: https://healthydemocracy.org/home/services/cir/ Podcast Brunch Club: https://podcastbrunchclub.com/ CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Care More Be Better has always been about hope: amplifying the scientists, activists, and changemakers building a more sustainable, regenerative future. That isn’t changing. New interviews will keep arriving here every week. But caring deeply about the world also means getting angry about what’s happening to it. So I’ve launched a new companion show, Care Less Be Worse: The Environmental News Rant, a raw, unedited space where I take the gloves off about the news that’s wrecking our natural world and our communities. Environmental rollbacks, public lands on the auction block, a billionaire class racing to care less while the rest of us live with the consequences. If you’ve ever finished a news story wanting to scream, this show is for you. In this bonus episode, you’ll hear the trailer that sets the tone for what’s coming. Fair warning: it’s explicit, and it’s meant to be. Care Less Be Worse is where I process the rage so that here, at Care More Be Better, we can keep focusing on solutions. Rant there. Recover here. Follow Care Less Be Worse: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/care-less-be-worse-the-environmental-news-rant/id6826374983 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ma3uZooZf1pQ4jdmG2Oy8 iHeart: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-care-less-be-worse-the-env-348283076 Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/61e2aca8-9f31-45a0-809a-06190c56b559/care-less-be-worse-the-environmental-news-rant Send stories that fire you up to [email protected]. As November approaches, build your plan and make sure your voice and your vote count. Find your state’s voting information at https://vote.gov. Background music courtesy of Arches Audio’s free song of the week, June 8, 2021. CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

David Gottfried spent three decades proving that buildings can change how the world operates, and he has come to believe that is not nearly enough. The co-founder of the US Green Building Council and founder of the World Green Building Council watched his movement grow into a trillion-dollar economy, and he still sees the ship headed for the melting iceberg. In this conversation, he lays out the idea at the center of his book Regen360, an operating system for a regenerative Earth built on one question: does this choice increase life or degrade it? Along the way, David traces a thread from his father’s family-dinner lessons about net worth and self-worth to a third kind of wealth he calls soul worth, the part of us that survives the eulogy. He tells the story of falling off his bike on Mount Diablo and being pushed across the finish line by strangers, and what it taught him about the humility inside perseverance. He and Corinna also explore putting the E in humane, giving every part of yourself a seat at the table, and small choices anyone can make this week, from repairing instead of replacing to spending time outdoors with the people you love. Show Notes: [00:00] Intro [02:30] Moving Beyond "Less Bad" In Green Building [04:38] The Scale And Limits Of The Global Green Movement [09:52] Maintaining Hope Amidst Environmental Setbacks [15:33] Lessons From A Visionary Father: Net Worth Vs. Self-Worth [22:00] Cultivating Gratitude And The Whole Table Of Self [29:51] Devotion Vs. Self-Harm: Pushing Physical Limits [37:33] Shifting From Executive Burnout To Human Being [46:28] The E-Revolution: Accelerating Human Evolution And Health [51:55] Deep Plant Medicine Journeys And Internal Clarity [57:50] Re-evaluating Wealth, Time, And What Truly Matters Guest Website: https://regen360.net/ Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-gottfried-75835a2/ Guest Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidgottfried/ Guest YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@davidgottfried9610 Guest Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DavidGottfriedfan Guest Substack: https://davidagottfried.substack.com/ Guest Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidgottfried CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Shawntal Z. Brown once wore the burnt orange blazer and bought into every part of the institution she worked for. After being laid off in 2024 amid a shifting legislative landscape in Texas, she began writing about what that experience taught her, and the result is a Substack with one of the most honest titles in higher education: Loving an Institution That No Longer Loves You Back. In this conversation, Shawntal and Corinna explore how belonging, power, and care play out inside universities, and why the tenure system, built to evaluate and rank people, struggles to center their humanity. They look at what a care-centered version of tenure might reward, including the community service that one professor was actually criticized for doing too much of. Shawntal shares what academic freedom looks like day to day in Texas, why DEI work is quietly moving underground rather than disappearing, and how to tell a symbolic gesture from structural change. Her answer is a task force that ends in a period when it should end in a comma. The episode closes with a question for anyone who loves an institution that has not always loved them back: what is the cost, and what would it take to make these places more humane for the people inside them? Time Stamps By Topic 02:10 Loving An Institution That Doesn't Love You Back 04:17 Exploring Power, Belonging, And Care In Institutional Life 11:47 The Complex Realities Of Tenure And Institutional Support 19:55 The Impact Of State Legislation On Academic Freedom 37:16 Redefining Service And Community Engagement 41:22 The Chilling Effect On Classroom Teaching And Academic Freedom 50:30 Moving Beyond Performative Task Forces Into Real Action 55:25 Recalibrating Expectations And The Future Of Higher Education Resources and links Shawntal Z. Brown on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawntalbrown/ Shawntal Z. Brown on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shawntalzbrown.phd/ Loving an Institution That No Longer Loves You Back (Substack): https://lovinganinstitution.substack.com/ Ethics of Care: Can Tenure Be More Humane?: https://lovinganinstitution.substack.com/p/ethics-of-care-can-tenure-be-more “Are we going to have a legacy or be forgotten?”: Organizational memory in an anti-DEI era, by Shawntal Z. Brown: https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fdhe0000735 PEN America: https://pen.org/ Texas Association of Diversity Officers in Higher Education: https://www.tadohe.com/ American Association of University Professors: https://www.aaup.org/ Iván Chaar López: https://www.ivanchaar.net/ Brian Evans on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-evans-58a2b76 Diane Gifford-Gonzalez on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/diane-gifford-gonzalez-780522222 The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath: https://www.amazon.com/Bell-Jar-Modern-Classics/dp/0060837020 CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Is eco-capitalism an oxymoron? In this solo episode, show host, Dr. Corinna Bellizzi, opens with big news: Care More Be Better has joined The Democracy Group podcast network. From there, she turns to a question that has followed her through her entire career. She steelmans the skeptic, who sees growth mandates and externalized costs as structural flaws no ethical CEO can outrun, and the believer, who sees commerce as a lever too fast and too powerful to abandon. Then she offers a report from the field: building Nordic Naturals into a $100 million market leader, the compromises that came with it, the ocean science that led her to walk away, and the algae-based work at Örlö Nutrition that shows what regeneration can look like when it is built into a company's structure. She closes with three votes every listener casts daily, as a consumer, a worker, and an investor. Episode blog page with transcript: https://caremorebebetter.com/is-eco-capitalism-an-oxymoron-a-report-from-the-field/ In this episode, Corinna explores: 00:00 Why Care More Be Better joined The Democracy Group, and why sustainability is a democratic question 04:47 Can Markets & Ecology Coexist? 05:51 The skeptic's case: growth mandates, externalities, and why "sustainable capitalism" so often means sustaining capitalism (and not regeneration) 08:22 Ben & Jerry's: the skeptic's case in a single pint. How Ben & Jerry's mission protections held for two decades after they sold, then unraveled under Unilever's shift to sectioning off their ice cream business under Magnum 11:17 The believer's case: B Corps, regenerative farms, Patagonia's ownership shift, and the speed of market change 15:10 Building Nordic Naturals with founder Joar Opheim, and the compromises even responsible companies make 18:18 Examples of compromises: Fisheries, dolphins, PET plastic 20:54 Ocean acidification & the emergence of algae-based nutrition solutions 24:52 Circle B and how VAXA Technologies, Örlö Nutrition, and growing omega-3s with geothermal energy and circular design serve to make regeneration foundational 28:41 Reframing the question from sustainable to regenerative commerce 31:04 Three votes you cast every day: as consumer, worker, and investor 34:45 Why supporting higher education, including cause partner Prescott College, matters right now Resources and Links The Democracy Group: https://www.democracygroup.org/ Prior Episode: Finding Common Ground in Hard Conversations with Corey Nathan: https://caremorebebetter.com/finding-common-ground-in-hard-conversations-with-corey-nathan/ Prior Episode: How Corporations Socialize Costs in The Profiteers with Christopher Marquis: https://caremorebebetter.com/how-corporations-socialize-costs-in-the-profiteers-with-christopher-marquis/ The Profiteers: How Business Privatizes Profits and Socializes Costs by Christopher Marquis: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/christopher-marquis/the-profiteers/9781668641583/ Ben & Jerry's co-founder Jerry Greenfield resigns (NBC News): https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/ben-jerrys-co-founder-jerry-greenfield-resigns-unilever-campaigning-rcna231819 Ben & Jerry's vs. Magnum: Timeline of the Governance Dispute (Dairy Reporter): https://www.dairyreporter.com/Article/2026/02/04/ben-jerrys-vs-magnum-timeline-of-the-governance-dispute/ Patagonia: Earth Is Now Our Only Shareholder: https://www.patagonia.com/ownership/ Vitamin Angels: https://vitaminangels.org/ Banking on Climate Chaos 2026 report (Sierra Club): https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2026/06/new-report-global-banks-financed-fossil-fuels-87-trillion-paris-agreement Örlö Nutrition: https://orlonutrition.com/ Isaac Berzin and VAXA (EIT Food): https://eitfood.eu/impact-story/isaac-berzin-vaxa Circle B: https://circleb.co/ Prescott College: https://prescott.edu/ CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

NOTE: This episode is intended for informational and entertainment purposes. Neither the host or guest are medical professionals, so this episode should not be construed as health advice. It not intended to treat, diagnose, or cure any health condition. N If you have specific concerns, please consult with your healthcare professional. Coach Bill Hogarty spent most of his life in peak condition, won twelve bodybuilding titles including Mr. California, and assumed he understood health. Then a shoulder injury sidelined him, he gained weight, and he learned what it feels like to be on the other side of the gym floor. That experience gave him something his training never had: empathy. Today he channels it into the Kids Diabetes Foundation, built on a conviction that childhood insulin resistance is preventable and that telling a struggling parent they are failing their kid will never work. In this candid conversation, Bill and Corinna trade notes as two people who have spent decades in health and fitness, and they do not always agree. They dig into why BMI is a poor marker while A1C and body composition tell a truer story, why muscle functions as an endocrine organ that protects us as we age, and why abstinence-based rules tend to backfire while moderation sticks. Corinna pushes back on the language of shame and on the toll that diet culture took on her own generation, and Bill meets her there. Along the way you will pick up practical, low-drama tactics: let your kid pick one thing from the produce aisle and build a meal around it, walk 30 minutes a day with someone you love, and learn one number that most doctors never order. CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

When natural disasters strike, marginalized communities are often left behind without access to essential recovery resources or digital infrastructure. In her groundbreaking book Climate and Code: Building a Digital and Connected Climate-Resilient Future, Georgetown University Law Center professor and National Geographic Explorer Monica Sanders explores how law, community wisdom, and technology can bridge this gap to build disaster equity. Monica Sanders, founder of The Undivide Project, joins us for an insightful conversation on redefining resilience from the ground up. Drawing from her personal experience surviving Hurricane Katrina to examining digital redlining and community-led initiatives in Panama and Baltimore, Monica highlights why digital access is a critical lifeline during extreme weather events. Discover how centering local knowledge and co-creating digital solutions can empower communities to withstand environmental crises and shape a more resilient future. COMPLETE BLOG & TRANSCRIPT: https://caremorebebetter.com/climate-and-code-bridging-the-digital-divide-in-disaster-recovery-with-monica-sanders/ About Guest: Monica C. Sanders, JD, LL.M., is a law professor, author, journalist, and social entrepreneur working at the intersection of climate resilience, technology, and justice. A New Orleans native whose work was shaped by Hurricane Katrina, she founded The Undivide Project to help communities use digital infrastructure and data to strengthen disaster resilience, and Bonne Terre Labs to build decision-intelligence tools for more responsible infrastructure investment. Sanders teaches at Georgetown University Law Center, is a National Geographic Explorer and Forbes Senior Contributor, and previously held senior disaster, homeland security, and humanitarian roles in government and at the American Red Cross. Her new book, Climate and Code, explores how law and technology can help build a more resilient and equitable future. Guest Website: https://www.monicacsanders.com Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/monicasanders12/ Guest Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/monicadrrprof/ Guest YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theundivideproject4007/videos Resources Mentioned: BOOK: Climate and Code: Building Digital Justice in a Connected World Chapters with Time Stamps: 02:40 How Hurricane Katrina Shaped Disaster Resilience And Equity 07:38 Valuing Natural Systems: The Barataria Estuary As Environmental Infrastructure 12:14 Designing Technology With Communities, Not For Them 20:18 Digital Access As A Critical Component Of Climate Resilience 28:51 Data Centers, Hyperscale Tech, And Environmental Justice 38:27 Climate And Code: Leveraging AI Responsibly Without Losing Human Innovation 48:06 Actionable Steps To Build Equitable Community Resilience CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Almost every conversation about AI is about power — what it can do, what jobs it will replace, and who it will enrich. Almost no one is asking what it would mean to bring care to this technology. In this solo episode of Care More Be Better, host Corinna Bellizzi, PhD, draws on Carol Gilligan's ethics of care, her own doctoral research into regenerative enterprise, and her personal experience using Claude and ChatGPT in dissertation research to make the case that AI can be an amplifier of care — but only with intention, transparency, and accountability. She covers the copyright settlement Anthropic reached with authors in July 2026, the attention question, the RFK Jr. MAHA report hallucinations, and the four questions everyone should ask before adopting any AI tool. Complete Blog: https://caremorebebetter.com/can-ai-be-used-responsibly-the-ethics-of-care-in-a-machine-age/ Chapter Markers 00:00 — Opening Question: What Does It Mean to Care When Machines Mediate How We Learn? 01:00 — Introduction: A Solo Episode on AI Ethics 02:00 — AI Is Already in Your Life Whether You Chose It or Not 03:00 — What Ethics of Care Actually Is — Gilligan, Noddings, and the Care Tradition 05:00 — Ethics of Care and Regeneration as Near-Synonyms 05:30 — The Care Questions AI Raises: Copyright, Ecology, Labor, Attention 06:00 — The Copyright Reckoning: Anthropic's $1.5B Settlement and 35+ Active Cases 06:30 — The Ecological Footprint: Water, Energy, and Whose Community Hosts the Data Center 07:00 — The Labor Question: Whose Words Trained the Model? 07:30 — The Attention Question: What Happens to Wonder When Answers Arrive Instantly? 08:00 — The Whale Bends Story — and What Was Lost 10:00 — Using AI in Doctoral Research: Building Intelligent Queries 12:00 — Claude vs. ChatGPT: The Hallucination Problem 13:30 — The RFK Jr. MAHA Report: What Happens When Nobody Checks 14:00 — Using Claude for the RSD15 Paper: Editing Without Outsourcing the Thinking 16:00 — AI in Podcast Production and the Disclosure Question 17:30 — The Website Disclaimer: What It Says and Why 18:30 — AI as Amplifier of Care — Used With Intention 19:00 — Four Questions to Ask Before Adopting Any AI Tool 20:00 — The Freedom Not to Use AI: Your Integrity Is Yours 20:30 — Closing: Embracing Technology with Intention, Purpose, and Integrity "Ethics of care moves us from thinking in rules and regulations, in inputs and outputs, to who is affected and what do they need. This show's name is essentially a care ethics thesis. Care more, be better. The order matters. You have to care first." — Corinna Bellizzi, PhD | Care More Be Better | Episode #301 Resources and References: In a Different Voice — Carol Gilligan (1982) Caring: A Feminine Approach to Ethics — Nel Noddings (1984) The Ethics of Care — Virginia Held (2006) Regeneration: Ending the Climate Crisis — Paul Hawken Anthropic copyright settlement — Reuters MAHA Commission report — Washington Post coverage RSD15 Conference — Relating Systems Thinking and Design Claude — Anthropic DuckDuckGo — AI-free search option Brave Search Startpage AI Disclosure — caremorebebetter.com Scary Smart — Mo Gawdat From Ideas to Income with AI — Zach & Jason Francis, Ep. 296 (previous episode) CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Many social change organizations struggle to bridge the gap between the values displayed on their office walls and the actual practices in their daily operations. Achieving true values alignment requires navigating deep humanity, conflict, and the inevitable shame that arises during transitional periods. In this episode, host Corinna Bellizzi sits down with Genevieve Smith, an organizational effectiveness consultant and founder of GV Advisory. Genevieve shares her unique approach as a "professional bummer" who facilitates difficult but necessary conversations around power sharing, organizational grief, and leadership transitions. She explains how drawing inspiration from preschool classrooms and using tools like the community garden metaphor can help teams get unstuck, build trust, and move from panic to practical solutions. Full Blog Here: https://caremorebebetter.com/getting-unstuck-facilitation-and-the-work-of-values-alignment-with-genevieve-smith/ About Guest: Genevieve Smith is an organizational effectiveness consultant using a facilitative approach to her work with foundations and nonprofit organizations. She collaborates with companies on organizational effectiveness efforts, staff and board retreats, and helps them navigate conflict and grief. Genevieve's work tends to make the most sense for organizations in transition who have big questions about how to move forward and what to leave behind. Guest Website: https://gv-advisory.com Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gvadvisorygv/ Additional Resources Mentioned: • The Revolution WIll Not Be Funded, INCITE! https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-revolution-will-not-be-funded-beyond-the-non-profit-industrial-complex-incite-women-of-color-against-incite/381bf42fe2436b30 • The Success Spectrum, Eugene Kim (of the collaboration gym): https://fasterthan20.com/workout/success-spectrum/ • Creative Destruction, Liberating Structures: https://www.liberatingstructures.com/creative-destruction Chapter Markers: 01:04 The Evolution Of A "Professional Bummer" In Organizational Effectiveness 06:58 Navigating Massive Transitional Moments And Organizational Crisis 12:06 The AI Disruption: The Danger Of Polished Plans Over Rough Drafts 17:58 Grappling With Wealth And Philanthropy In The Social Sector 27:50 Power Sharing Vs. Abdication: Explaining "Power Under" 37:05 Tending To Acute Organizational Grief And Leadership Departures 42:00 The Myth Of Neutrality: How Everyday Actions Build Or Erode Trust 50:23 Getting Unstuck: Practical Tools And Experiments For Staff And Leadership CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This bonus episode revisits Corinna's Nutrition Without Compromise conversation with Chef Babette Davis, who was interviewed on Care More Be Better as Episode 174 in February 2024, roughly 6 months after this BONUS episode was originally recorded and shared on Nutrition Without Compromise. In this episode, they discuss: Babette's childhood: asthma, eczema, refined sugar and MSG addiction inherited from her mother's cooking The rough road through her 20s and 30s, including a seven-month battle with crack cocaine Meeting Randall in 1990: the Griffith Park run, her first vegan meal, and the two books that changed everything (Fit for Life and the Mucusless Diet Healing System) Food combining principles and why "mucus" is about systemic inflammation, not just congestion Honest talk on protein, B12, and omega-3s for plant-based eaters, plus personalizing nutrition through simple at-home testing Building Stuff I Eat, Inglewood's first vegan restaurant, and her advocacy with Mercy for Animals Notable quote: "All you have to do is have a little bit of knowledge of what foods to eat together that will eliminate so much of your indigestion." / "At 73 years old, I don't have to harm anyone to nourish myself." Resources: Chef Babette on Instagram: https://instagram.com/chefbabette Chef Babette on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@chefbabette Stuff I Eat (Inglewood, CA): https://www.stuffieat.com/ Cash In On Cashews by Chef Babette Davis Fit for Life by Harvey Diamond: https://www.amazon.com/Fit-Life-Harvey-Diamond/dp/0446300152/ Mucusless Diet Healing System by Arnold Ehret: https://www.amazon.com/Mucusless-Diet-Healing-System-Scientific/dp/1884772005 CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The federal government plans to kill 450,000 barred owls over 30 years to protect the northern spotted owl — while simultaneously narrowing the definition of harm under the Endangered Species Act to allow old-growth forest logging that will destroy the spotted owl's habitat. Wayne Pacelle, president of Animal Wellness Action and the Center for Humane Economy, joins Corinna Bellizzi to expose the timber industry logic behind both moves. Together, they explain what's happening to wild horses and wolves on America's public lands, and share what 35 years of animal protection work has taught Wayne about how a slippery slope can lead to environmental devastation. We must act to protect America's open spaces and wild habitats. 00:00 — Introduction: The Spotted Owl, the Barred Owl, and the Question of Whose Fault It Is 04:00 — The 14-Mile Zone of Life: How Much Room Do We Actually Share? 06:00 — The Northern Spotted Owl: History, Habitat, and the Timber Wars 10:00 — The Barred Owl Is Not Invasive: The Range-Expansion Argument 14:00 — Human Beings Crossed the Bering Land Bridge: Applying the Same Logic 18:00 — The Plan to Shoot 450,000 Owls: Why It Won't Work 20:00 — The Endangered Species Act: How the Definition of Harm Is Being Gutted 23:00 — The One Big Beautiful Bill and the 60% Timber Increase 27:00 — Old Growth Redwoods, Carbon, and the True Cost of Logging 30:00 — The Lawsuit and What Comes Next 32:00 — Wild Horses: 80,000 vs. 4.3 Million Cattle 36:00 — Wolves: Delisted for Politics, Hunted by Snowmobile 37:00 — Fertility Control as a Humane Alternative 39:00 — Why Every Animal Sequesters Carbon 40:00 — The Migratory Bird Treaty Act and Its Origins 44:00 — The Environmental Groups That Got This Wrong 47:00 — Direct Mail, Organizational Efficiency, and the 95% Program Model 50:00 — What Animal Wellness Action Has Actually Accomplished 53:00 — Wildfires, Forest Management, and Fossil Fuels 57:00 — The Colorado River and the Water Crisis 01:00:00 — What You Can Do: Congress, Donations, and Showing Up 01:02:00 — Closing: Inspired and Enraged Resources Wayne Pacelle on LinkedIn Animal Wellness Action — animalwellnessaction.org Center for Humane Economy — humaneeconomy.org Wayne Pacelle on X Wayne Pacelle on Instagram The Bond — Wayne Pacelle The Humane Economy — Wayne Pacelle Action Alert: Barred Owl Kill Plan Action Alert: Endangered Species Act Definition of Harm Donate to Animal Wellness Action Aldo Leopold — A Sand County Almanac Bill McKibben on Ezra Klein Show CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

For decades, large corporations have privatized their massive profits while quietly shifting environmental, social, and health costs onto the public. Unpacking these systemic costs is central to the discussion in The Profiteers, which diagnoses how business practices impact society at large. In this episode, host Corinna Bellizzi speaks with Christopher Marquis, Professor of Chinese Management at the University of Cambridge Judge Business School and author of Better Business, to analyze the hidden mechanics of corporate externalities. From plastics lobbying and regulatory co-optation to visionary models of regenerative agriculture and foundation ownership, they explore why exposing systemic corporate abuse is the first crucial step toward real reform. Discover how innovative enterprise models, policy levers, and conscious consumer choices can help build a truly sustainable and regenerative economy. About Guest: Professor Marquis’ research and teaching focus on how some of the biggest crises of our day – including climate change, inequality, and discrimination – are intimately connected to how our current economic and societal systems prioritize accumulating and concentrating wealth for the few over the concerns and needs of everyone and everything else. His research and writing focus on the need to rebalance the interactions between corporations, governments, and civil society to deliver socially and environmentally beneficial outcomes to all. Marquis is the author of The Profiteers: How Business Privatizes Profits and Socialize Costs. His earlier books include the award-winning Better Business: How the B Corp Movement is Remaking Capitalism and Mao and Markets: The Communist Roots of Chinese Enterprise, which was a Financial Times Best Book of 2022. He has also authored more than 20 peer-reviewed academic articles and more than 50 Harvard business cases on topics related to social innovation, sustainable business and doing business in China. Professor Marquis served 2 terms as an Associate Editor at Administrative Science Quarterly and has also been a Senior Editor at Organization Science and Management and Organization Review. He has also served a term as Representative at Large for the International Association for Chinese Management Research (IACMR) and Organization and Management Theory Division, Academy of Management. Before returning to academia, Marquis was a Vice President and Technology Manager at JP Morgan Chase. He currently is on the sustainability advisory board of the French multinational Sanofi Consumer Healthcare. Guest Website & Socials: https://chrismarquis.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-marquis-3884834/ https://x.com/Chris_Marquis_ https://substack.com/@chrismarquis Resources Mentioned: BOOK: The Profiteers https://amzn.to/4zbwM66 BOOK: Better Business https://amzn.to/4crRPHF Key Topics Discussed (with time stamps): 01:32 Who Really Pays For Corporate Externalities? 07:22 The Plastic Dilemma: Rethinking Packaging In Sustainable Business 11:57 Privatizing Profits & Socializing Costs: Unpacking Corporate Externalities 20:37 Lessons From GE: How Shareholder Primacy Distorts Business Ethics 30:17 Big Tech And Algorithms: Profit Growth Vs. Corporate Accountability 36:30 Unpacking The Policy Debate: Plastic Lobbying & Chemical Recycling 44:19 Rethinking Lifecycles: Circularity And Extended Consumer Responsibility 51:58 Regenerative Agriculture: How Purpose-Driven Brands Restore Soil & Systems 01:00:02 Building A Regenerative Economy: Purpose-Driven Governance & Ownership 01:07:15 Conclusion & Takeaways: Empowering Individual Action and Policy Reform CONNECT & SUPPORT CARE MORE BE BETTER Substack: https://caremorebebetter.substack.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/caremorebebetter TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caremorebebetter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caremorebebetter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareMoreBeBetter LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/care-more-be-better CAUSE PARTNER: If you value open dialogue, sustainability, and social equity, I invite you to support our new cause partner —Prescott College. To learn more about this effort and to support the show, visit: https://caremorebebetter.com/support/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.