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For those wondering how a band like Slowly Slowly made their way to Dyingscene.com I would like to tell you to sit down and stfu. Let me introduce you to Australia's best-hidden gem and in my opinion worst kept secret. They let us know about their snakes and crazy spiders. But dropped the ball on this band, what a shame. So how do I know about them? Well, for those wondering. I was actually born in Brisbane, QLD. But my family moved to Denmark when I was a child and the rest is history. But between the albums St. Leonards and Race Car Blues, I stumbled upon them during a midnight catch-up with my aunt in Australia and fell head over heels with their sound. But in November of '22, Slowly Slowly released their fourth album Daisy Chain. So, once again, as it's become a daily thing, I decided to annoy to living shit out of Jay and he allowed me to interview the band. So here's Ben and I talking a bunch of things! I'd like to thank Ben for being an amazing friend and vibing with me at 1 am.

Episode 59 of (*both laugh*) brings us another full band episode! This time, we're joined by Drea Doll, Gaby Kaos and Cassie Jalilie, collectively known as the kick-ass Arizona punk rock trio The Venomous Pinks! 2022 marks their tenth year as a band, and it also marks the release of their very first full-length LP. Named "Vita Mors," it's due out on June 3rd via SBAM Records, a label you may remember from their owner's appearance on 36 of this very show a year ago! We talk quite a bit about the new album and all that went in to its recording, a process which was handled by Cameron Webb and Linh Le, each of whom is a powerhouse in their own right. We also talked about the scenes in Mexico and Arizona and the Bay Area, and how the current lineup of the band inspired the push to make "Vita Mors" a reality. The band are also set to come to the East Coast for the first time in June, where they'll be opening up for the iconic Dead Kennedys and Nekromantix! Check out the Venomous Pinks' page here: https://thevenomouspinks.com/ Here's the video for "Apothecary Ailment": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au8nqTRkFwQ&ab_channel=SB%C3%84MRECORDSOfficial Visit SBAM Records here: https://sbam-rocks.us/ Dates for the tour with Dead Kennedys are here: http://www.deadkennedys.com/tours.html Visit Gaby's merch store here: https://www.kaosmerch.com/ (*both laughs*) theme song is an excerpt from [laughs] track "Hurts To Laugh." © KALI MASI 2021 ℗ Take This To Heart Records 2021

(*both laugh*) is somehow up to 58 episodes, but we're still having fun and some of y'all seem to still enjoy it, so we'll keep rolling! This episode finds us catching up with the great Brian McTernan again. McTernan was the guest on Episode 15 a couple of years ago, in the lead-up to the debut Be Well album, "The Weight And The Cost." Next Friday (May 20th if you're reading this in the future), Be Well is back with a brand new album! It's a six-song EP called "Hello Sun," and it finds the band expanding the sonic palette that I thought they had perfected on "TW&TC." It's really great and personal and haunting and melodic and everything you want form a post-hardcore record (or whatever, I don't get labels) and more. We talk an awful lot about the new album and the musical directions. In a bit of unexpected synchronicity, May is also Mental Health Awareness Month, and Brian is no stranger to talking about his struggles with depression and alcohol use and more, as is pretty obvious if you listened to the last album. We talk about that, but about how the new album, while "dark," isn't dark for dark's sake; it's written from the perspective of someone who has moved through the darkness and worked towards a newfound light. Thus, "Hello Sun." We also talked a lot about the newest Hot Water Music Record, "Feel The Void." After having worked on "A Flight And A Crash" and "Caution" and "The New What Next" roughly two decades ago, McTernan found himself both reconnected with the now five-piece band during the early days of the Covid lockdown and at the helm of "Feel The Void." It was a fascinating time in that band's history and produced an important album, and McTernan's work (and point of view) are invaluable. And we talk a lot about their upcoming tour dates, and there are a TON of them on both sides of the Atlantic, including a lengthy run with New Found Glory and a UK/EU jaunt with Hot Water Music and Samiam. "Hello Sun" on Bandcamp: https://bewellhardcore.bandcamp.com/album/hello-sun "Hello Sun" US/Canada vinyl on Revelation Records: https://revhq.com/products/be-well-hello-sun "Hello Sun" UK/EU vinyl on End Hits: https://endhitsrecords.com/products/be-well-hello-sun Be Well merch store: https://bewell.merchnow.com/ (*both laughs*) theme song is an excerpt from [laughs] track "Hurts To Laugh." © KALI MASI 2021 ℗ Take This To Heart Records 2021  

At long last (longer than it should have been because...well because time is a social construct really) Dave Hause returns for his second appearance on (*both laugh*)! When last we spoke (Episode 25 if you're keeping score at home), Dave had just self-released a double EP of Patty Griffin and Paddy Costello/Dillinger Four covers. We were still in Pandemic Year One and that project served as a fun and unique way to stay productive and creative and to dip his toes into navigating through the "new normal" waters. Fast-forward eighteen months (yes, really...18 months, almost to the day...remember when I said time was a social construct) and it was time for round two! The centerpiece of this installment was Dave's latest solo album, "Blood Harmony." It was released last October on his own record label, but because the vinyl is still trickling its way out, I don't feel QUITE so bad about catching up at the six month post-release mark. "Blood Harmony" found Dave and his brother Tim working together again, this time in Nashville. The duo and producer Will Hoge (himself not only a brilliant songwriter and masterful producer but a veteran of this show as well - see Episode 12) holed up at Sound Emporium with a slew of heavy-hitting studio musicians (Sadler Vaden, Tom Bukovac, Garry Tallent!!?!?!). "Blood Harmony" finds Hause running headlong down the Americana path that he'd been at least tip-toeing down for the last decade. We talked about the album, and the recording, and Will Hoge's greatness, and the idea of "chasing the song." We also talked about his ongoing partnership with Tim (including work on Tim's own upcoming debut solo album) and about therapy and about touring in a never-ending pandemic and a lot more, as we are want to do. Check out "Blood Harmony" here: https://davehause.bandcamp.com/album/blood-harmony While you're at it, check out the rest of Dave's bandcamp releases - lots of live shows and some newer B-sides and more: https://davehause.bandcamp.com/ Get more Dave goodies and tour dates and whatnot here: http://davehause.com/ (*both laughs*) theme song is an excerpt from [laughs] track "Hurts To Laugh." © KALI MASI 2021 ℗ Take This To Heart Records 2021

Every now and then you come across an album that becomes a benchmark moment for you; like, life existed before that album and then the world shifted and things weren't the same after that.  My own personal list includes the likes of: Vs. Recipe For Hate. Question The Answers. Badmotorfinger. The '59 Sound. The Low End Theory. Stay Positive. 36 Chambers. Caution. 1372 Overton Park. And now, realistically, The Great American Novel. If you're unfamiliar, Proper. are a three-piece formed in NYC roughly 5/6 years ago (as The Great Wight initially) but hailing really from a variety of locations across the country and bringing with them all of their collective experiences and musical influences and creating something that hasn't really been done before. I remember hearing their last album, I Spent The Winter Writing Songs About Getting Better admittedly a little late and thinking "damn...I've never really heard anything like this before." The new album, The Great American Novel, takes all of the things that were great about the last one and pushes the needles way past 10. It's important music. It's music about alienation and about not fitting in and about being a queer person of color in a land that, despite it being 2022, is at times becoming even less comfortable with people that check those boxes. It's raw and it's powerful and it's somehow still hopeful. Oh, and if fucking shreds. I feel lucky that we were able to catch up not just with Erik Garlington who spearheads the whole thing but with the full band (Natasha Johnson on bass and Elijah Watson on drums and whom you may also know from his "day job" as a journalist for Okay Player). Watch/listen as I outkick my coverage yet again. Watch the video for "Red, White and Blue" here: https://youtu.be/m4rYi2Naobs Watch the video for "Milk And Honey" here: https://youtu.be/P5ux_2eMuFk Check out Elijah's writing for OkayPlayer here: https://www.okayplayer.com/ Pre-order "The Great American Novel" here: https://www.fatherdaughterrecords.com/products/717976-proper-the-great-american-novel Listen to "I Spent The Winter Writing Songs About Getting Better" here: https://bsmrocks.bandcamp.com/album/i-spent-the-winter-writing-songs-about-getting-better (*both laughs*) theme song is an excerpt from [laughs] track "Hurts To Laugh." © KALI MASI 2021 ℗ Take This To Heart Records 2021

I don't think it's overstating things to call Hot Water Music not only one of the most influential and respected bands in the last three decades of this scene, but one of the most genre-defining bands as well. For the second time in this show's history, we got to chat up one of the founding members! This time, the victim was Jason Black, who in my mind is one of the most under-rated bass players in rock music. We talk about whether being an underrated bass player in a genre-defining band is all it's cracked up to be, but more importantly, we chat a lot about the brand new HWM album, "Feel The Void." It's out March 18th on Equal Vision Records, and not only does it mark the first time the band reunited with producer Brian McTernan, it also marks the band's first full-length with Chris Cresswell in the mix as a permanent member...even taking lead vocal duties on a song! We also talk a lot about how the band came together to write the album - no easy task given that they collaborated from their home bases in Florida (Wollard, Black and Rebelo), California (Ragan), Maryland (McTernan) and now Ontario (Cresswell). Hurray for Zoom! You can still pre-order "Feel The Void" here: https://www.hotwatermusic.shop/ Check out the video for "Collect Your Things And Run" here: https://youtu.be/q1d4bvpj-pI Check out Hot Water Music's upcoming tour dates here: http://www.hotwatermusic.com/tour-dates (*both laughs*) theme song is an excerpt from [laughs] track "Hurts To Laugh." © KALI MASI 2021 ℗ Take This To Heart Records 2021

It's March 1st, so that means it's officially the kickoff to Women's History Month. As such, we've teamed up with our friends at Mable Syndrome for a pretty fun feature. If you check out our Instagram pages (@mable.syndrome and @dyingscene obviously), we'll be posting every single day of March a picture of a women band/ artist/ musician and featuring the woman who took the picture. We have many amazing and talented women in the punk rock scene and we are excited to give them an entire month to shine! For Episode 54 of (*both laugh*), we caught up with Mable Syndrome co-founder Kristen to talk about building their site - and their community - from the ground up over the last half-decade. Yours truly has guested on the Mable Syndrom podcast twice, so returning the favor was probably long overdue! Thanks Kristen! Check out Mable Syndrome here: https://www.mablesyndrome.com/ (*both laughs*) theme song is an excerpt from [laughs] track "Hurts To Laugh." © KALI MASI 2021 ℗ Take This To Heart Records 2021

Well, I guess this is growing up. On Marmite and Boudica and Red Dwarf and The Van Pelt and the best punk rock album of the year. Earlier this month, Frank Turner released his ninth studio album. Entitled FTHC, it is by far his most "punk rock" album to date (I suppose one could argue that his previous album, 2019's No Man's Land, which was primarily a historical folk album with each song telling a different tale about a woman from history, ranging from Sister Rosetta Tharpe to Christa McAuliffe, was his most "punk rock" album to date for entirely different reasons, but that's more of a semantic argument than we need right now). FTHC is his most personal album to date - no easy feat for someone who's made a career of wearing his tape deck heart on his sleeve. It may indeed be his best album to date. It is, most certainly and perhaps not surprisingly given the above factors, his first album to debut at #1 on the charts in his native UK. We caught up with Turner the day after learning that FTHC was, in fact, named the number one selling album in the land. We talked about the importance of that distinction, particularly as it came fifteen years and nine albums into his solo career. We talked about the influences behind the album and about how getting married and turning 40 and still being alive has provided a different sort of perspective that wasn't afforded to his younger self. We talked about the making of the album (the image of Ilan Rubin recording drums in a Los Angeles studio over Zoom while Frank watched from London and producer Rich Costey watched from Vermont is still one I find endlessly amusing). We talked about the stories behind some of the album's more personal tracks, although I did leave out the songs about his struggles with anxiety and cocaine addiction and how his relationship with his father changed after the latter came out as a trans woman several years ago; those have been covered at length in other outlets. And perhaps most importantly, we talked about the legion of Turner fans, aptly known as the Frank Turner Army, that has been steadily building for the better part of the last decade and who, frankly, rightly share in a lot of the success behind FTHC. They even pitched in for a few questions that certainly ran a stylistic gamut. If you haven't bought FTHC yet, get it at your local indie record store or here: https://store.frank-turner.com/ If you want to go back in time and read our chat with Frank from the steps of Boston's City Hall before his 2014 appearance at Boston Calling, go here: https://dyingscene.com/ds-interview-and-photo-gallery-frank-turner-in-boston-on-his-1567-show-rise-to-fame/ If you want to watch my then-four-year-old daughter sing "English Curse," go here. She said it was okay, I promise. https://youtu.be/VgBHrbP0kRU Listen to The Van Pelt here: https://thevanpelt.bandcamp.com/album/sultans-of-sentiment To read more about Boudica, go here: https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Boudica/ If you want to buy Marmite, go here: https://www.marmite.co.uk/ Watch Red Dwarf here: https://www.reddwarf.co.uk/tv/ (*both laughs*) theme song is an excerpt from [laughs] track "Hurts To Laugh." © KALI MASI 2021 ℗ Take This To Heart Records 2021

If you've read any of the press that came out surrounding LA hardcore band Sweat's debut LP, "Gotta Give It Up," you've probably noticed that the common theme throughout is that Sweat aren't a typical hardcore band. They've got a sound and a style and a swagger that are unique; hardcore, for sure, but with riffs and rhythms that range from thrashy to chunky to 70s rock (think Think Lizzy). At the center of the activity is the firebrand that is Tuna Tardugno. It's abrasive and confrontational and a whole lot of fun.  We caught up for a super fun conversation with Tuna about the band's history (they've only got nine gigs under their collective championship belts, a byproduct of the band's formation less than a year prior to the world shutting down) and recording with Grammy-nominated producer Jack Shirley and their upcoming plans (tour? new album?). We also talked a lot about Tuna's introduction to the world of punk and hardcore in upstate New York and the parallels between the DIY punk and wrestling communities, both of which are near and dear to Tuna's heart. Oh, did we mention Tuna's a wrestler as well? Admittedly, my knowledge of modern wrestling is actually more limited than my knowledge of hardcore, which is pretty effing limited in its own right. Still, I am from the same hometown as Paul "Triple H" Levesque, so maybe I can hold my own a little. Anyway, this was a super fun conversation. Hope you dig it.   Order "Gotta Give It Up" here: https://shop.piratespressrecords.com/products/sweat-gotta-give-it-up-lp Order Sweat's debut EP here: https://vitriolrecords.bandcamp.com/album/sweat-s-t Sweat videos: "Joke's On Me" - https://youtu.be/hBoWvRItbAw "Hit And Run" - https://youtu.be/uoX_OrpDAVU Oh, and here's the video Tuna and I were talking about with Mackie on drums. turns out the song was Charles and Eddie's "Would I Lie To You," which somehow is from 1992, not 1964. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANL1tk0Qy9Q    

This is an episode that I've been looking forward to since before (*both laugh*) was even an idea for a show. I was introduced to Sarah Shook's music when their debut album, Sidelong, was rereleased by Bloodshot Records back in 2017 (it had initially been self-released by their band, Sarah Shook and the Disarmers, several years prior but I was waaaay out of the loop at that point). I found Sidelong to be an interesting listen; it felt like it ran a real throwback country-and-western vibe through a little bit of a modern roadhouse filter. It certainly wasn't like much else I listened to at the time, and Sidelong and its follow-up, 2018's Years, even stood out amongst the large quantity of Bloodshot artists I'd been listening to for a long time (Cory Branan, Scott H. Biram, Murder By Death, Lydia Loveless, etc).  The Disarmers went into the studio in California to record their third album in early 2020, just as the world was on the cusp of shutting down for the foreseeable future. Label issues and supply chain issues and inability to tour issues got in the way got in the way, as they're wont to do. Fast forward to 2022 and Sarah Shook is on the cusp of releasing their third album. It's called Nightroamer and it's on a new label (Thirty Tigers) and it's really, REALLY good. Fans of Sarah Shook and the Disarmers will certainly find plenty of recognizable sounds, but there are left turns and even-further-left turns and some new and different subject matter. All of that results in an immensely compelling listen, easily their best output to date. We caught up with Sarah to talk at length about the new album; from finishing the recording roughly a week before the pandemic became "a thing" in the States, to the obvious label issues, to the choice of when to actually release it to the world. We also talked about some of the subject matter; parts of the album were written after Shook got sober, and obviously created a very different writing process for them this time around. Perhaps most compellingly, we talked about their increasing involvement as a vocal force to be reckoned with, advocating for the elevating of queer and non-white voices in the country music world. Oh, and we talked about their growing up in strictly religious household and teaching themselves to play guitar and write songs in spite of having no popular music frame of reference, a concept that is truly mind-boggling to me. Nightroamer is due out February 18th. Pre-orders are still available here: https://www.disarmers.com/store/Music-c23349544 You can also check out the Disarmers' videos and live performances and more on their YouTube page here: https://www.youtube.com/c/SarahShooktheDisarmers/videos (*both laughs*) theme song is an excerpt from [laughs] track "Hurts To Laugh." © KALI MASI 2021 ℗ Take This To Heart Records 2021

Back in early 2020, Hushdrops, the long-running Chicago-based power trio (John San Juan on guitar and vocals, Joe Camarillo on drums, Jim Shapiro on bass) were slated to go into the studio to finish work on what would become their third full-length record. Then in what's become a recurring theme on this show, plans were put on hold due to the onset of Year One of the pandemic.  While that part of the story is certainly not unique, the story took a sharp and unexpected and tragic turn a year ago. As Year Two of the pandemic kicked off, Camarillo was hospitalized for a stroke and a heart attack. While in the hospital, he suffered and ultimately succumbed to a brain stem stroke. At only 52, the literal backbone of the band was taken much, much too soon. After some time, San Juan and Shapiro decided the best way to honor their longtime friend and collaborator was to pull together the album that they'd been working on prior to the pandemic. The problem, obviously, is that it wasn't done yet. As fate would have it, there was a soundboard recording of one of the band's last pre-lockdown shows, a set that included a few new tracks that were intended for the new release but that hadn't made their respective ways to the recording studio yet. What followed was the fascinating (to me, anyway) challenge of recording studio guitar, bass and vocals over the isolated live performance drum tracks for two songs that ended up on the album, creating what is a very unique feel to both those tracks and the album in general. We were lucky enough to catch up with John San Juan to talk about all of this and more. It was the first time we talked, although we've talked about him on a few episodes of (*both laugh*) to date, as he plays bass in the trio that Smoking Popes' Josh Caterer put together for the pair of live albums that he released as bookends in 2021. We talked a lot about Josh, and about Joe, and about mellotrons, and all things in between. Order "The Static" the latest - and last?! - Hushdrops release from Pravda Records here: https://pravdamusic.com/album/2067945/the-static Find "The Static" and all the other Hushdrops releases on Bandcamp here: https://hushdrops.bandcamp.com/ (*both laughs*) theme song is an excerpt from [laughs] track "Hurts To Laugh." © KALI MASI 2021 ℗ Take This To Heart Records 2021

This particular episode was a long time coming, for a variety of reasons. Josh Freese has had the type of career - and has the type of personality - that has made me want to interview him for a lot longer than I've had the capacity to actually conduct interviews. He might have played with everyone from Sting to Guns 'N' Roses to Nine Inch Nails to The Offspring to Dweezil Zappa to Juliana Hatfield to Kelly Clarkson, but if you've been involved in the punk rock scene at all for the last three decades, he's still Josh from The Vandals. Or, for a small number of us, Josh from Viva Death. Anyway, Josh just put out a new solo album, "Just A Minute: Vol. 1" - it was written and recorded from his home studio during quarantine. It's twenty songs in, you guessed it, twenty minutes, and it was released on Loosegroove Records, a label owned by Pearl Jam's Stone Gossard and Brad's Regan Hagar. It's wild: some of the songs are expertly crafted and fully thought-out punk rock songs and some of them sound almost like the descent into madness that a lot of us experienced when locked in our houses for an indeterminate amount of time. We cover a lot of ground over the course of 75 or so minutes: Danny Elfman, The Vandals, Stone Gossard and Pearl Jam, living in Long Beach, playing with Sting, Queens Of The Stone Age, setting up a home recording studio a decade ago and actually finding the time to use it during a pandemic, and a lot more. We also talked, obviously, about "Just A Minute: Vol. 1" and probably spent more time talking about "Just A Minute: Vol. 2," which should hopefully be out during the spring of '22. Buy "Just A Minute: Vol. 1" on vinyl: https://shop.thehardtimes.net/products/josh-freese-just-a-minute-vol-1-neon-coralvinyl?_pos=1&_sid=8d3887eea&_ss=r Buy other Josh Freese merch, like stickers and pins and t-shirts and plaid shorts and a guitar: https://www.etsy.com/shop/JoshFreeseGoods "Just A Minute: Vol. 1" Videos: "Heavy Metal Car Collection" - https://youtu.be/GpaSvkwDTrU "The Dwarves And The Queens" - https://youtu.be/ShnXbZDetyw Follow Josh on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joshfreese/ (*both laughs*) theme song is an excerpt from [laughs] track "Hurts To Laugh." © KALI MASI 2021 ℗ Take This To Heart Records 2021