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No introduction needed for John Wardle aka Jah Wobble. This is a massive conversation with John about life. It's funny, personal, intense, a full learning experience. All the things that you want and need from conversations these days.  https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I only met Jem Doulton a couple of months ago and have had the privilege of watching him play several times with the Au Pairs whilst they’ve been out on tour supporting the Skids and also doing their own headline shows. Jem’s predominantly a percussionist and drummer, but is also partial to the odd bit of crooning now and again.  Now, getting together a list of his bands, projects and all that good stuff is where my research gets dodgy, but f**k it here we go with what’s probably a partial list:  Thurston Moore, The Au Pairs obviously, Heckle Chamber, Grimm Grimm, The DNA Test, Melos Kalpa, Pando Pando to name but a few - I thought putting out a podcast once a week was pretty prolific, so that’ll teach me - as well as recording a bunch of solo records, the latter of which was 2024’s hugely imaginative and kaleidoscopic Deal of The Century. I think the collaborators on these releases shows the esteem in which Jem is held as a musician and person.  So here's the interesting change in music at least from where I sit – multiple collaborations – if you want to call it that - have become perhaps the default way to be a musician these days - it’s way more common to find musicians working on several projects – and often diverse projects. I don’t know if this self-development buzzword “multi-hyphenate” - as it applies to doing a few different things in addition to your core job - originated from the music biz but whatever, it feels like this profile is a proper feature of the way that many, many more of us are living now. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I recently read a blog post of mine from 2019, not long after I’d quit my job and it was clear that I was riddled with self-doubt, some fear, some excitement at this new liminal space I was going into.  And also worrying about what people think. What the actual f**k? I look back and think why?? Most people were excited for me and those that were sniffy, well, I thought I didn’t give a f**k about them. But they still snuck into my brain rent free. The self doubt lasted a good while into doing my new stuff – managing a short-lived band (the short lived part had nothing to do with me, honest!), this podcast, graphic design for the zine. It’s definitely eased up, so much so that I’ve started doing some video work and just recently I’ve redesigned a band’s website.  Ultimately, the thrill of doing this kinda stuff was too powerful a draw for the self-doubt to be the winner, although it wasn’t f*****g plain sailing. I first met my amazing friend and today’s guest Lars Wolfshield when they were, amongst other things, managing the experimental punk band Pleasure Venom. We’ve become close friends since then and done some amazing trips together here in the UK, Europe and their current city, Austin. When Lars told me that the calling to actually create music instead of managing musicians was getting so strong, I realised there was a fair bit of symmetry to our journeys – reigniting our classical training, having some creative calling, uncertainty, anxieties. Yet, for me, returning to play my cello in front of people seems light years away, whereas Lars has gone full throttle into their new venture called Jet Cemetery with their partner and my good mate TaSz Trebuchet.  Jet Cemetery’s debut album The Canary will be out in the world by the time you listen to this episode – in fact it’s out the day after we are recording this, but it’s a wonderful – I’m gonna call it handbook for today’s world lives where we are subjected to almost endless liminality, and one that explores the dystopia of the world today and brings together the light and dark, hope and hopeless, the soothing and the unnerving. Lars’ celestial voice is layered alongside TaSz’s subversively tender beats and synths as well as exquisitely saturated and distressed visuals. If you haven’t checked it out yet, just go for it. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I started writing a book during Covid which in a spur of the moment I called A Re-Design for Life. I bet you can’t guess what album I’d been listening to…...  The reason for starting, apart from being able to satisfy some boredom and ego, was to try convey my belief that the most important asset we all possess is our self, especially as more and more of us are living multi stage lives and in a world that is so f*****g complex and volatile, that the old rules are redundant. Much of society is so conditioned towards materiality - to think that the most important assets we should aspire to are material and have a monetary value – cash in the bank, house, blah blah blah  - but I think that that thinking overlooks the fact that our own intangibles – like curiosity, imagination, adaptability, resilience, instinct, critical ignoring and one of my favourites, emotional intelligence – are some of the most needed things..  I realise that this would some of the medieval politicians rolling their eyes, but f**k them. Not that they’d be listening to something as classy as this podcast. Back to emotional intelligence, I’ve often banged on that emotional intelligence should be an integral part of our learning from when we are first born. Empathy, social skills, self regulation and self awareness are so, so important for existing and thriving where we have such emotionally unintelligent “leaders” that seek to divide and conquer with a delinquent lack of empathy and self-awareness.  Now, here’s the typically amateurish segue into Miki Berenyi. If you haven’t read her autobiography - called Fingers Crossed – How Music Saved Me From Success which came out in 2022  - then you really should, because that self-awareness and empathy that I just mentioned is all over this book. It really is a rollercoaster of a read and reinforces even more my belief of the importance of these weird intangibles. It’s one of only a few recent books that has captivated me and left me with a lot to think about.  And, of course, her music. In each stage of her musical life, she’s written songs that can one minute haunt me, the next uplift me. I just find her songwriting breathtaking. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Atef and I go way back - almost 6 entire months! We met on a balmy end of summer night at the Shacklewell Arms in London and Crocodiles were playing one of the sweatiest and most perfect gigs I’ve been to. At the end of the night I said “See you in Spain in September” to rousing sniggers of “yeah right” from everyone - only kidding, they were delightful but, y’know, bold promises are often made when the euphoria of adrenaline is rushing. But, sure enough, I appeared in Murcia to take in some shows with them around Spain which was one of the most unforgettable road trips I’ve been on. I do think those times of shared experiences of wonderful people that you meet along the way, travel with and spend time with are when you make great friendships. It kinda helps when the music is as good as Crocodiles. I’ve thought a lot about what role music has these days in our society and I think it’s always had this power to connect and bring people together, it’s the shared language. I just think this is SO much more important these days when it seems like there is so much more to divide us. So here we are! Not only does Atef play bass with Crocodiles, he also composes, plays guitar and sings with his other band, the wonderfully named Hermetic Delight, who recently released their third album, the equally wonderful and wonderfully named, Vagabond Melodies and runs his own label. And I’m sure there is plenty more stuff that he’s dabbling in! https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

When I was a kid in the 80’s, I used to listen to a local radio show called On The Wire, presented by Steve Barker. Steve and John Peel were single handedly responsible for me finding bands and artists like African Headcharge, Sonic Youth, Tackhead, Test Dept, Cabaret Voltaire, Mark Stewart and The Mafia, Keith Le Blanc, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry and so many others. It was so, so thrilling to discover these new artists.  And the show is still going, Steve is still going (albeit on Mixcloud because the BBC unceremoniously turfed him off the radio in favour of some shit pretentious show that’ll have the listeners running for the hills. Anyway, he tags his shows with the magnificent term of “Undefinable” which makes me just love him even more because I loathe the whole way that genres are used to stereotype and pigeonhole. And this is where – in a long winded way -  my guest, David Roush and his wonderful band Ecce Shnak fit in. Undefinable. Going back to the release of Letter to German Vasquez Rubio around 13/14 years ago to their latest single Katy’s Wart from their LP Joke Oso. They are a fascinating kaleidoscope of creative fertility and imagination which I think is one of the most important characteristics to have in the world today and I’m really excited to talk to David about his mindset and how this has helped to shape who he is today. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I’ve really not talked about this too much, but when I first moved to London at the end of 2008, I felt a massive liberation from the anonymity that the city gave me. I hardly knew anybody – and there’s a separate conversation to be had about how people perceive our identity and how that can confine us - but even when I got to know people and scenes, the city made it easy to disappear when I wanted to. For me, an introvert at heart, this gave me freedom to allow my true identity that was lurking somewhere beneath the surface to come out. And here we are! I mention all of this as my guest today, Morenike, has also explored some of these themes in her debut single Nobody Knows My Name , a most beautiful song that refuses to be constrained by that most horrible word – genre – by fusing many different influences to show what is possible when we allow our mind to be free from constraints imposed by either society or an industry.  She has also just released her second single called Mysterious and Wild, which again shows just how inspiring music is when there’s some element of experimentation and how it’s really one language with common roots waiting to be explored. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

In 1987, the US Army War College coined the acronym of VUCA in 1987 to describe a world that was expected to become more difficult to navigate as the end of the Cold War started to become a reality – VUCA stands for volatile, uncertain, complex and ambiguous. Aside from it being kinda ironic, with what’s happening right now, that the US Army coined this acronym, it’s struck me that musicians have been working in an industry that has breathed this sort of uncertainty and volatility, whilst those in paid employment are now much more exposed to it after decades of living a much more three stage life of study, work, retire. So, it’s always a joy and an education for me to meet younger musicians and chat about their life and music and how they are navigating through everything, so I’ll just get on with it and invite you to listen to this brilliant conversation with Idyl, an amazing artist who recently released her first single Illusion in November.  https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I thought long and hard about what I wanted to say in the introduction today. I’ve felt quite rattled with some of what’s been in the news, especially these last few weeks, let alone years, and it’s kind of taken over my brain. But, I recalled a few words from Joe Strummer many years ago saying "People are out there doing bad things to each other. It's because they're being dehumanised. It's time to take humanity back into the centre of the ring and follow that for a time."    Music has always been there for me. It’s always been my friend and I’m pretty sure it always will be. It’s the one constant and I think as humans we need some constants in our lives when we live in what feels like endless uncertainty and volatility. I often wonder what role music has to play today and I think this is one of them, whether you are a musician, creator, listener, whatever. That ability to connect and be relatable.    I’m delighted to have Dani Larkin with me today, a songwriter who embodies that humanity, that connection and blends the old school with the new school in songwriting and arrangement that are as individualistic as they are beautiful.  https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

In the last few 6 or 7 years – and bear with me here - I’ve become much more interested in the nature of the relationship between humans and other species, forces or whatever – animals, birds, trees, plants, the elements… nature, I guess. I think the genesis was when I listened to a conversation with the novelist Richard Powers and he was talking about his book The Overstory and how we should think of ourselves as being part of life itself, not think of living in terms of “our life” – a subtle distinction – but his conclusion was that it would help us all live more harmoniously. But the human obsession with domination, together with our selfishness I guess - and we’re going back centuries here – has led us down a very different path where anything non-human is deemed as being there to serve us. That doesn’t make any sense to me, it just feels destructive. It also made me think of our relationship with our senses – hearing, seeing, smell, taste and touch and, as hearing is the first sense that we experience in the womb, about how we listen to music – is it about pleasurable listening or is there more? Should we be going back further into times past to re-evaluate our relationship with sound?  When I think of Guido of Arezzo, the monk who first started creating “music” by plotting notes on a page, was that when music first became objectified as a score on a piece of paper, almost imprisoned on the page? Should music really be more about a creative act of improvisation where it shapeshifts and changes each time you perform it? Is that how it keeps its energy? How do we listen with more intention? I’m getting to the point, you’ll be glad to know! OK, well, Massimo Pupillo has just unleashed an absolute beast of a record with his band Zu. It’s called Ferrum Sidereum (cosmic iron – yes, it sounds better in Latin) and it’s one of the most phenomenal pieces of music that I’ve heard in a long time. One hour 20 minutes of incredible energy that bridges that gap between its creators, the vitality and energy of the natural world and me the listener. I once read music described as “our umbilical cord to mother nature”. This record feels like that.  https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

One thing I’m aware of in myself and others is a shortening attention span and fierce competition for our attention with the sheer amount of information we have to process. If ever there was “it was never like this in the good old days” moment, here you are. As an aside, I actually heard that screenwriters are being told by production companies, distributors or whatever that they need to write scripts that assume the viewer will also be scrolling on their phone whilst watching their show.  And like most things in the world today, it feels like an overwhelming problem to solve – and I think it is a problem – but we can all do our bit to try and reign in the relentless assault on our behaviours and art definitely helps. I even try to do it with the way I write my zine – deliberately scruffy and distressed so readers can’t just have a cursory flick through it. I mean it’s more layered than that, but you get my point.   So…..here’s the link – as tenuous as ever! - to my guest, Mélanie Pain, whom you’ll of course know through her incredible work with Nouvelle Vague and her equally brilliant solo work.  Mélanie has just released her 4th solo album called How and Why and the final single that she released prior to the album launch is called Dreamloop and the song in its own right is truly beautiful, hypnotic and very unhurried. When you listen to the song with the video, you are transported into a world where the ordinary is anything but ordinary and it acquires implications through the camera loops and repeated scenes.    It demands you take your time and immerse yourself in what feels like a William Eggleston pastiche through a saturated looking glass. Sit back and let your attention span heal. The whole album is wonderful – enigmatic, sometimes optimistic, sometimes forlorn and always giving space for reflection. Look no further than Colours in the Dark – it is just sublime. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

The genesis of this podcast was a thesis that I did about 8 years ago around the sort of skills and attributes that we will need for the future. I used a horrible term – human capital - to describe the value that these things give us because that was the terminology that was understood in the academic circles that I was submitting to. I now see it as quite a derogatory term, but the premis still stands – that our self, our own talent is our most important resource that we need to protect, nurture and adapt.  It’s all part of a massive shift in how we live our lives – from a linear 3 stage life to a multi-stage life One of the big mega trends influencing these shifts continues to be technology – particularly the transition from the 4th Industrial Revolution of high automation into the 5th Industrial Revolution where the relationship between technology and humans takes on much greater importance. I’m saying all of this because my guest today, Halina Rice, is wholly immersed in using sound and visual technology for her live and recorded experiences where music, art, humans and technology  intersect. Her latest album, Unreality, and the accompanying visuals, is groundbreaking stuff. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

New York has always been – bold statement coming up – my favourite music city. No question that it’s connected to my life changing discovery of the Ramones way back when. I still can’t walk past the Guild Hall in my hometown of Preston without a couple of nostalgic tears forming for when I first saw them play there  – I tried my best not to wash off the water that Joey threw over me when things were getting a little hot.  But getting back on track… all those New York musicians over the years – infinitely different stylistically, but almost always identifiable as a New York “sound”. I don’t know what it is – and hindsight’s a glorious thing to have – but could the Ramones, Blondie, Public Enemy, Roxanne Shante, Lou Reed, Talking Heads, Swans, Sonic Youth, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Nas, have existed anywhere else and created their own distinctive sound yet is still a New York sound?  Jesse Hartman's, Laptop, goes back to the late 90’s – such a divisive decade. I really feel Laptop were ahead of their time and this is perhaps part of what makes New York New York – that ability to be ahead of the pack so often . They had the cinematic monologues, the rebellion, the self deprecation, the love, the heartbreak, the nostalgia and an ability to cross generations. I say that because I’m 20-odd years older and their second coming is here and I’m still hooked. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

When I started out with this podcast, one of the things that I was – still am - interested in is the uncertainty of living today and how it takes us into living with liminality.    “In the middle of the journey of our life I came to myself within a dark wood where the straight way was lost.”   The Divine Comedy – Dante    It makes me wonder if life always been woven together with paths of liminality. I guess it has. And perhaps what was liminal to someone in the 14th Century would not feel liminal to us now. I shudder to think what those folk would feel about the world today. Mind you, I imagine the 14th Century was pretty brutal. Not medieval for nothing. But how do we traverse the anxiety, turbulence and exhaustion that living with liminality can give, especially these days when the world feels so, SO f****d up. The feelings can be so very strong.   I’ve also pondered (as I do – we all have our faults!) what the role of music is these days. I read a post by a musician friend of mine and he was expressing his exhaustion at living in this world. Is music and art the medicine that we need, either as creators or consumers to retain sanity, connection and community or to access our subconscious? Is it still as dangerous to the establishment as it once was?    This and other existential questions relating to our existence and how we move through the world might be pondered in today’s episode with a songwriter, producer and musician who has such an extensive and rich musical history with some exceptional artists (one of whom, Debbie Harry, is unquestionably a legend) and has just released his latest solo album called 'Stories From The Borderlines', 11 beautifully crafted songs that brood with their imagination, poignancy, turmoil and hopefulness. I think it’s a great representation of the world today and the wildly diverse emotions that I often feel. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I think relatability has become one of those words that has become overused and, as is usual with these things, the importance of what it means to be relatable has tended to become a bit diluted….it’s unfairly become a target for the old eye rolling emoji. But, I think being able to relate to other people is such a powerful tool to have in our box in whatever way we communicate – through words, action or our art – especially when we seem to be such a divided world and seem to have little desire for even tolerating or even understanding different perspectives. It’s not the only tool we need I should stress, but when we pair it with imagination and curiosity for example, I think it becomes very powerful for opening our minds to different ideas, ways of doing things, cultures.   I’ve asked musicians what they think the role of music is these days and views do differ – from getting strong political messages across to being a bit of fun to an escape from reality and to the deeply personal and cathartic.  Anyway, whatever my pseudo-intellectual musings, it feels to me like music – certainly the music that I come across - is so much more personal these days. I recorded this episode on the day that Jessie Kilguss released her 6th solo album and it’s called They Have A Howard Johnson’s There, six beautifully crafted songs that are wonderfully evocative of life topped off by cover art that is resplendent in its 1970’s hotel vibes.  In fact, I remember my parents having one of those wood/mustard upholstery combo sitting chairs. So there you go, there’s your relatability! https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.com I Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ’s and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives. - brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™ - cover art by Giles Sibbald  - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste