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2021/03/13
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2026/09/08
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Discussing what movies *should* have won and film generally.
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Cult Classics
2026/09/08
We're back, but this time not on our regular nonsense. We have a guest on the podcast for the first time. (We're counting those other two times as guest hosts because Mark wasn't there.) Adam (whom you might know as @galooticus on the social-media-formerly-known-as-Twitter) joins us to discuss his four movie choices. They're all considered to one degree or another Cult Classics, but Adam admits that he mostly chose them in an effort to troll Bob. Joke's on him, though; Bob liked them all well enough.
Do beware for SPOILERS! that lurk throughout. Hail to the king, baby.
00:00 Podcast and guest intro
03:22 Duel
13:35 Strange Brew
19:07 Max von Sydow
25:10 Bob claims Strange Brew is just like Nolan's The Odyssey
25:45 Tremors
31:59 Sequels to Tremors
33:40 Bob is failing to remember Ben Stiller's name
36:52 Army of Darkness
47:06 Bob's an idiot, that's two totally different people (and Bob was mixing up the names) Duke Henry from Army of Darkness is Richard Grove and Airk the Red from Willow is Gavin O'Herlihy. In his defense...well, no, he's just dumb.
52:09 Wrapping up; will Adam return?
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
The Odyssey
2026/08/19
Quicker turnaround for a quicker podcast. Mark wanted to talk about The Odyssey, so Bob went and saw it in the theater and now you get to hear us yammer about it for 30 minutes or so. Obviously it will contain many SPOILERS! , but there is also some desultory conversation at the very end about some other movies worth watching that, oddly for us, we don't spoil. Enjoy!
00:00 Intro
00:36 The Odyssey
01:33 Cinema format digression
04:10 Back to the movie itself
22:41 Other odds and ends we've watched (no spoilers)
25:45 Bob says Spielberg should retire
28:00 Thoughts on voice-acting
29:34 Wrapping up
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Directorial Debuts
2026/08/03
Back much quicker with our 75th episode. That's about all the fanfare we had planned. This episode we're discussing the debut features from a variety of directors. Most of the movies are rather older, but if you don't believe in statutes of limitation on such things, beware the fearsome SPOILERS! that lurk in the podcast ahead.
00:00 Intro and topic01:42 Selecting the films04:21 Mark's first choice: Eraserhead07:30 All the Dunes episode11:42 Bob's first choice: sex, lies, and videotape20:47 Mark's second choice: Following26:57 Takeshi's Castle27:56 Bob's second choice: Violent Cop34:52 Mark and Bob's third choice: The Duellists48:32 Other contenders52:33 Wrapping up
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Science Fiction
2026/06/02
Recorded months ago, it was a tough edit (as I say near the end of the episode), but I also got a job in the interim and there's been less time for unpaid frivolity. Tardy or no, we hope you enjoy our ramblings on the topic of SF films and, as always
SPOILERS ABOUND!
Listen at your own peril for having plots of the movies mentioned told to you in advance. If you want to just listen to the parts about movies you've seen, we provide this handy set of timecodes. Enjoy!
00:00 Intro and audio woes
01:25 Stalker
17:05 Annihilation
18:56 Blade Runner
31:08 Akira
31:58 Akira slide
38:13 Dark City
43:45 Paprika
54:55 Moon
1:06:18 Robot & Frank (no spoilers; we promise)
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
A Very Specialer Episode
2026/01/03
Bob's elder daughter jumped at the chance to rebut what she viewed as the vile slander of a beloved (by her) Christmas film The Holiday. (And talk about Christmas movies in general.) Since she visited Bob for the holidays, they sat down and chewed the fat about Christmas cinema. Enjoy a bonus very specialer episode! Though, to be sure, beware the ever-lurking SPOILERS!
00:10 Intro
02:03 The Holiday
11:38 Elf
14:33 Bob is trying, and failing, to think of Rocky Horror Picture Show
16:31 Swingers
19:45 The Muppet Christmas Carol
27:45 Klaus
32:51 Die Hard
33:44 Bob should be (and is) ashamed. He got this twisted with Lethal Weapon which Black wrote. He did not write Die Hard, but there it is. We'll blame this on an exccess of "Christmas Cheer" in his eggnog. He's gonna do something similar (though perhaps not as bad) a few seconds later when he says Black was responsible for Iron Man 2, when it was Iron Man 3.
35:07 It's a Wonderful Life
37:42 Christmas in Connecticut
39:50 Holiday Inn and White Christmas
40:05 Bob's half-right, it opens on Christmas Eve and ends on New Year's
49:29 Miracle on 34th Street
53:20 Wrapping up
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
A Very Special Episode
2025/12/10
Back after a longer interlude since the last time we tried to record we had catastrophic technical problems. After Bob's daughter complained to him that she can't listen to most episodes since they spoil movies she hasn't seen. So, this time around, a very special episode that only contains movies which she has already seen.
If you're interested in having your tastes pandered to, reach out. Who knows?
00:10 Introduction
03:15 Three new movies for Mark
08:07 Bob's theme idea that he shoehorned in
09:26 Knives Out
23:10 The Holiday
36:51 The Map of Tiny Perfect Things
43:55 The Lost City
50:56 La La Land
58:19 Wrapping Up
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
(Four) Soundtracks
2025/09/08
Trying something new again this episode; Bob and Mark discuss some soundtracks. What kind of musical expertise and knowledge do they bring to the topic? Almost nothing. Is it a list of their favorites? Not necessarily. You might like it anyway. Fewer spoilers than usual, though we disdain caution around such things as always.
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
03:57 First soundtrack
In the Mood for Love (soundtrack)
11:25 Source for theme
Yumeji
16:39 Second soundtrack
Perfect Days (soundtrack)
21:34 The word Bob is failing to remember is "komorebi"
24:51 Third soundtrack
A Clockwork Orange (soundtrack)
25:11 It's been a couple years since we talked about this film
Kubrick/Hitchcock episode
31:50 The greatest piece of music ever written (in Bob's opinion)
Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, 4th Movement (This is not the best rendition of it, but it's okay. ~ Bob)
33:26 Music that didn't make the soundtrack
Wendy Carlos additional music (It was at this point in the edit that Bob discovered that Wendy Carlos was born Walter Carlos. Thus the original album title in the link.)
37:20 Fourth soundtrack
Sparrow (soundtrack)
41:00 Clip from the film
Stairs
42:11 Region B disc
Aussie Blu-Ray
44:18 Winding down and wrapping up
44:58 Film scores
Every Frame a Painting
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
French Films
2025/08/05
This time around Bob and Mark lean right into the pretentiousness and discuss the French cinema they enjoy. (For the title we decided to go for the middle choice of "films;" seems midway between "cinema" and "movies.") We do less spoiling than usual, but you should still beware. The dreaded SPOILER may rear its head at any moment in our podcast.
00:00 Intro
03:45 Le Samourai
07:01 Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai
11:26 Disorder (Maryland)
18:39 Au Revoir, Les Enfants
24:28 My Dinner With Andre
26:59 Three Colors: White
33:41 L'Argent
39:04 Wasabi
43:15 Le Cercle Rouge
46:50 Army of Shadows
51:43 Les Vacances de Monsieur Hulot
55:21 Odds and Ends
The Count of Monte Cristo (2002), The Count of Monte Cristo (2024), Gankutsuou, The Count of Monte Cristo (Depardieu), Amélie, The Red Turtle, A Prophet
1:02:12 Wrapping up
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Amadeus
2025/07/04
This episode we catch up to 1985 and evaluate the 5 films from 1984 nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars. It's been a while since the last episode, but to make up for it, it's a bit longer than usual? Anyway, this will be the last decade in series that we look at for now since we've already done an episode on the Best Picture nominees from 1995, 2005, and 2015. As always, beware of the fearsome spoiler that lurks throughout, and enjoy!
00:10 Introduction
04:27 A Soldier's Story
18:25 Places in the Heart
27:40 A Passage to India
45:39 The Killing Fields
54:26 Interlude about ranking nominees by vote totals (Bob was right in his gut reaction: voting results are not made publicly available)
55:51 Amadeus
01:09:45 Films from this year featured in other episodes of our podcast: Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Star Trek III, The Terminator, Dune, Blood Simple
01:14:40 Random odds and ends to conclude
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
The Godfather Part II
2025/05/19
So...there were some challenges with this one. We do apologize for the slow release pace, but in this case the audio required a lot of work to tune up. We're talking Best Picture for the 47th Academy Awards (films from 1974). SPOILERS abound, as always.
00:00 Intro
00:57 A good year?
03:21 The Conversation
12:25 Gene Hackman interlude
13:35 (Yes, yes; we were thinking of A Few Good Men)
18:14 The Godfather Part II
34:53 Chinatown
48:53 Lenny
55:07 The Towering Inferno
1:02:34 Digression about film rights and availability of old films
1:08:00 Quick review of other notable films from 1974
1:12:40 Our picks for Best Picture
1:14:13 (We are moving ahead a decade)
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
My Fair Lady
2025/04/14
It's been a little while, but we've jumped another 10 years closer to the present with an episode on the best films of 1964. Unfortunately for filmgoers it was a bit of a fallow year, but it does make for some good conversation. We mostly talk about the 5 Best Picture nominees, but a few more films come in for a mention in passing.
As ever, we SPOIL the endings, middles...everything really about these movies without regard for what you might not have seen, so be warned. Watch the films first if you don't want to know how they end.
00:10 Intro to the podcast/topic
00:56 (Absolutely we did not get caught up to the current year)
03:34 Mary Poppins
18:03 Becket
29:55 My Fair Lady
31:12 Bob remembers correctly about Shaw and the Greek origin!
38:15 The superior original ending
43:53 Dr. Strangelove
45:51 The prior episode where we talked about Dr. Strangelove
46:25 Bob might be misremembering Hayden's late-life problems
52:00 Zorba the Greek
57:21 Bob gets on his high horse a bit
01:01:57 Picking our winner
01:05:18 Next episode plans and conclusion
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
2024 Recap
2025/02/22
Bob finally gets busy and edits this episode wrapping up the past calendar year. It's a bit out of date, but then most of the episodes are too since we're almost always looking at films from years earlier. Not too many spoilers this time round, but be wary; one never knows when they may strike!
00:10 Intro
04:53 Favorites watched for the podcast
07:27 Movies from 2024
17:53 Bob and Indian cinema
20:25 Rowdy. Rowdy Rathore.
21:57 How Bob sees films; film volume
25:09 First time watches not from 2024
34:48 Bob and Mark argue a bit about Free Solo
39:58 It's over!
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
It Happened One Night
2024/12/15
00:10 Intro
02:04 The White Parade, copyright, and availability
09:02 Which ones did we watch?
10:45 It Happened One Night
11:53 It was the Valentine's Day episode about rom-coms in 2022
15:10 Bob's a little off; Miami was 110,000 in 1930, up from less than 30,000 in 1920
20:05 Bob did! See above.
20:57 The end of the Pre-Code era
23:23 Cleopatra
28:13 Imitation of Life
33:18 Flirtation Walk
38:05 The Gay Divorcee
45:06 The Thin Man
49:25 Drunks on film
53:37 Of Human Bondage
59:06 And the Winner Should Have Been...
01:03:45 Upcoming episodes
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Ralph Fiennes
2024/09/28
This week we talk about the films of Ralph Fiennes. We haven't seen all his movies, but we have seen a goodly number. If you're afraid of the sneaky and nefarious SPOILER, you probably ought to be cautious since we fear it not.
00:10 Intro and the topic
02:40 Fiennes and the theater (theatre?)
06:11 Bob attempts to categorize Fiennes' films
07:05 Bob's very wrong about Macbeth being on streaming
08:00 The bulk of Fiennes' movies
13:37 Fiennes as villain
16:03 The Avengers (1998) Bob will be wrong a few seconds later about Fiennes being the villain (it's Sean Connery); not only that, Fiennes plays the hero, which would have been a good thing to have looked up before having the rest of this conversation. Do your homework, kids!
16:51 Our discussion of The English Patient
19:18 "Never" the hero? Didn't you guys just say he was the hero of The King's Man? Tells you how forgettable that film was.
20:13 Fiennes is an actor not a star?
26:31 Work in children's films
31:46 Odds and ends
37:19 Getting off topic and talking about physical media
43:27 Favorite Ralph Fiennes film
47:25 Digression about commentaries, food, other nonsense
51:24 Least favorite Ralph Fiennes film
54:51 Winding down; upcoming episode
56:45 Quick mention of two upcoming films
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Terminators 1-3
2024/09/07
Bob jumps straight into the topic this episode with SPOILERS from the very start. This episode we assume that you have at least a familiarity with the basic plot of the Terminator films even if, like Mark, you've never seen them. We discuss the first three films and ignore the latter three (which neither Bob nor Mark has seen). Enjoy!
00:10 Intro
00:45 Mark had not seen The Terminator; cultural significance and Schwarzenegger
05:37 Evolution from conclusive to open-ended
08:42 The Terminator
12:30 Does James Cameron care more about technical filmmaking than the story elements?
20:04 Masking the antagonist in Terminator 2
23:10 Linda Hamilton/Sarah Connor
25:41 Which is best and supporting cast
27:43 Terminator 3 is a real step down
31:12 Schwarzenegger is inextricably linked with the Terminator
34:05 Rough story moments in the second filmmaking
35:21 Edward Furlong - American History X
36:25 Robert Patrick
37:10 Kristanna Loken
40:25 Time travel and its problems
44:07 Special effects
48:35 Mild spoilers(?) for Reacher season 2
49:27 Prosthetic effects in The Terminator
52:08 Actor miscellany
56:35 Winding down
Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
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