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Bob and Mark
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Date created
2021/03/13
Latest episode
2026/09/08
Average duration
60 min.
Release period
53 days

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Discussing what movies *should* have won and film generally.

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Cult Classics
2026/09/08
We're back, but this time not on our regular nonsense. We have a guest on the podcast for the first time. (We're counting those other two times as guest hosts because Mark wasn't there.) Adam (whom you might know as @galooticus on the social-media-formerly-known-as-Twitter) joins us to discuss his four movie choices. They're all considered to one degree or another Cult Classics, but Adam admits that he mostly chose them in an effort to troll Bob. Joke's on him, though; Bob liked them all well enough. Do beware for SPOILERS! that lurk throughout. Hail to the king, baby. 00:00 Podcast and guest intro 03:22 Duel 13:35 Strange Brew 19:07 Max von Sydow 25:10 Bob claims Strange Brew is just like Nolan's The Odyssey 25:45 Tremors 31:59 Sequels to Tremors 33:40 Bob is failing to remember Ben Stiller's name 36:52 Army of Darkness 47:06 Bob's an idiot, that's two totally different people (and Bob was mixing up the names) Duke Henry from Army of Darkness is Richard Grove and Airk the Red from Willow is Gavin O'Herlihy. In his defense...well, no, he's just dumb. 52:09 Wrapping up; will Adam return? Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: ⁠https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
The Odyssey
2026/08/19
Quicker turnaround for a quicker podcast. Mark wanted to talk about The Odyssey, so Bob went and saw it in the theater and now you get to hear us yammer about it for 30 minutes or so. Obviously it will contain many SPOILERS! , but there is also some desultory conversation at the very end about some other movies worth watching that, oddly for us, we don't spoil. Enjoy! 00:00 Intro 00:36 The Odyssey 01:33 Cinema format digression 04:10 Back to the movie itself 22:41 Other odds and ends we've watched (no spoilers) 25:45 Bob says Spielberg should retire 28:00 Thoughts on voice-acting 29:34 Wrapping up Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: ⁠https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Directorial Debuts
2026/08/03
Back much quicker with our 75th episode. That's about all the fanfare we had planned. This episode we're discussing the debut features from a variety of directors. Most of the movies are rather older, but if you don't believe in statutes of limitation on such things, beware the fearsome SPOILERS! that lurk in the podcast ahead. 00:00 Intro and topic01:42 Selecting the films04:21 Mark's first choice: Eraserhead07:30 All the Dunes episode11:42 Bob's first choice: sex, lies, and videotape20:47 Mark's second choice: Following26:57 Takeshi's Castle27:56 Bob's second choice: Violent Cop34:52 Mark and Bob's third choice: The Duellists48:32 Other contenders52:33 Wrapping up Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: ⁠https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Science Fiction
2026/06/02
Recorded months ago, it was a tough edit (as I say near the end of the episode), but I also got a job in the interim and there's been less time for unpaid frivolity. Tardy or no, we hope you enjoy our ramblings on the topic of SF films and, as always SPOILERS ABOUND! Listen at your own peril for having plots of the movies mentioned told to you in advance. If you want to just listen to the parts about movies you've seen, we provide this handy set of timecodes. Enjoy! 00:00 Intro and audio woes 01:25 Stalker 17:05 Annihilation 18:56 Blade Runner 31:08 Akira 31:58 Akira slide 38:13 Dark City 43:45 Paprika 54:55 Moon 1:06:18 Robot & Frank (no spoilers; we promise) Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
A Very Specialer Episode
2026/01/03
Bob's elder daughter jumped at the chance to rebut what she viewed as the vile slander of a beloved (by her) Christmas film The Holiday. (And talk about Christmas movies in general.) Since she visited Bob for the holidays, they sat down and chewed the fat about Christmas cinema. Enjoy a bonus very specialer episode! Though, to be sure, beware the ever-lurking SPOILERS! 00:10 Intro 02:03 The Holiday 11:38 Elf 14:33 Bob is trying, and failing, to think of Rocky Horror Picture Show 16:31 Swingers 19:45 The Muppet Christmas Carol 27:45 Klaus 32:51 Die Hard 33:44 Bob should be (and is) ashamed. He got this twisted with Lethal Weapon which Black wrote. He did not write Die Hard, but there it is. We'll blame this on an exccess of "Christmas Cheer" in his eggnog. He's gonna do something similar (though perhaps not as bad) a few seconds later when he says Black was responsible for Iron Man 2, when it was Iron Man 3. 35:07 It's a Wonderful Life 37:42 Christmas in Connecticut 39:50 Holiday Inn and White Christmas 40:05 Bob's half-right, it opens on Christmas Eve and ends on New Year's 49:29 Miracle on 34th Street 53:20 Wrapping up Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
A Very Special Episode
2025/12/10
Back after a longer interlude since the last time we tried to record we had catastrophic technical problems. After Bob's daughter complained to him that she can't listen to most episodes since they spoil movies she hasn't seen. So, this time around, a very special episode that only contains movies which she has already seen. If you're interested in having your tastes pandered to, reach out. Who knows? 00:10 Introduction 03:15 Three new movies for Mark 08:07 Bob's theme idea that he shoehorned in 09:26 Knives Out 23:10 The Holiday 36:51 The Map of Tiny Perfect Things 43:55 The Lost City 50:56 La La Land 58:19 Wrapping Up Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
(Four) Soundtracks
2025/09/08
Trying something new again this episode; Bob and Mark discuss some soundtracks. What kind of musical expertise and knowledge do they bring to the topic? Almost nothing. Is it a list of their favorites? Not necessarily. You might like it anyway. Fewer spoilers than usual, though we disdain caution around such things as always. 00:00 Intro and disclaimer 03:57 First soundtrack In the Mood for Love (soundtrack) 11:25 Source for theme Yumeji 16:39 Second soundtrack Perfect Days (soundtrack) 21:34 The word Bob is failing to remember is "komorebi" 24:51 Third soundtrack A Clockwork Orange (soundtrack) 25:11 It's been a couple years since we talked about this film Kubrick/Hitchcock episode 31:50 The greatest piece of music ever written (in Bob's opinion) Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, 4th Movement (This is not the best rendition of it, but it's okay. ~ Bob) 33:26 Music that didn't make the soundtrack Wendy Carlos additional music (It was at this point in the edit that Bob discovered that Wendy Carlos was born Walter Carlos. Thus the original album title in the link.) 37:20 Fourth soundtrack Sparrow (soundtrack) 41:00 Clip from the film Stairs 42:11 Region B disc Aussie Blu-Ray 44:18 Winding down and wrapping up 44:58 Film scores Every Frame a Painting Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
French Films
2025/08/05
This time around Bob and Mark lean right into the pretentiousness and discuss the French cinema they enjoy. (For the title we decided to go for the middle choice of "films;" seems midway between "cinema" and "movies.") We do less spoiling than usual, but you should still beware. The dreaded SPOILER may rear its head at any moment in our podcast. 00:00 Intro 03:45 Le Samourai 07:01 Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai 11:26 Disorder (Maryland) 18:39 Au Revoir, Les Enfants 24:28 My Dinner With Andre 26:59 Three Colors: White 33:41 L'Argent 39:04 Wasabi 43:15 Le Cercle Rouge 46:50 Army of Shadows 51:43 Les Vacances de Monsieur Hulot 55:21 Odds and Ends The Count of Monte Cristo (2002), The Count of Monte Cristo (2024), Gankutsuou, The Count of Monte Cristo (Depardieu), Amélie, The Red Turtle, A Prophet 1:02:12 Wrapping up Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Amadeus
2025/07/04
This episode we catch up to 1985 and evaluate the 5 films from 1984 nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars. It's been a while since the last episode, but to make up for it, it's a bit longer than usual? Anyway, this will be the last decade in series that we look at for now since we've already done an episode on the Best Picture nominees from 1995, 2005, and 2015. As always, beware of the fearsome spoiler that lurks throughout, and enjoy! 00:10 Introduction 04:27 A Soldier's Story 18:25 Places in the Heart 27:40 A Passage to India 45:39 The Killing Fields 54:26 Interlude about ranking nominees by vote totals (Bob was right in his gut reaction: voting results are not made publicly available) 55:51 Amadeus 01:09:45 Films from this year featured in other episodes of our podcast: Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Star Trek III, The Terminator, Dune, Blood Simple 01:14:40 Random odds and ends to conclude Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: ⁠https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
The Godfather Part II
2025/05/19
So...there were some challenges with this one. We do apologize for the slow release pace, but in this case the audio required a lot of work to tune up. We're talking Best Picture for the 47th Academy Awards (films from 1974). SPOILERS abound, as always. 00:00 Intro 00:57 A good year? 03:21 The Conversation 12:25 Gene Hackman interlude 13:35 (Yes, yes; we were thinking of A Few Good Men) 18:14 The Godfather Part II 34:53 Chinatown 48:53 Lenny 55:07 The Towering Inferno 1:02:34 Digression about film rights and availability of old films 1:08:00 Quick review of other notable films from 1974 1:12:40 Our picks for Best Picture 1:14:13 (We are moving ahead a decade) Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
My Fair Lady
2025/04/14
It's been a little while, but we've jumped another 10 years closer to the present with an episode on the best films of 1964. Unfortunately for filmgoers it was a bit of a fallow year, but it does make for some good conversation. We mostly talk about the 5 Best Picture nominees, but a few more films come in for a mention in passing. As ever, we SPOIL the endings, middles...everything really about these movies without regard for what you might not have seen, so be warned. Watch the films first if you don't want to know how they end. 00:10 Intro to the podcast/topic 00:56 (Absolutely we did not get caught up to the current year) 03:34 Mary Poppins 18:03 Becket 29:55 My Fair Lady 31:12 Bob remembers correctly about Shaw and the Greek origin! 38:15 The superior original ending 43:53 Dr. Strangelove 45:51 The prior episode where we talked about Dr. Strangelove 46:25 Bob might be misremembering Hayden's late-life problems 52:00 Zorba the Greek 57:21 Bob gets on his high horse a bit 01:01:57 Picking our winner 01:05:18 Next episode plans and conclusion Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
2024 Recap
2025/02/22
Bob finally gets busy and edits this episode wrapping up the past calendar year. It's a bit out of date, but then most of the episodes are too since we're almost always looking at films from years earlier. Not too many spoilers this time round, but be wary; one never knows when they may strike! 00:10 Intro 04:53 Favorites watched for the podcast 07:27 Movies from 2024 17:53 Bob and Indian cinema 20:25 Rowdy. Rowdy Rathore. 21:57 How Bob sees films; film volume 25:09 First time watches not from 2024 34:48 Bob and Mark argue a bit about Free Solo 39:58 It's over! Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
It Happened One Night
2024/12/15
00:10 Intro 02:04 The White Parade, copyright, and availability 09:02 Which ones did we watch? 10:45 It Happened One Night 11:53 It was the Valentine's Day episode about rom-coms in 2022 15:10 Bob's a little off; Miami was 110,000 in 1930, up from less than 30,000 in 1920 20:05 Bob did! See above. 20:57 The end of the Pre-Code era 23:23 Cleopatra 28:13 Imitation of Life 33:18 Flirtation Walk 38:05 The Gay Divorcee 45:06 The Thin Man 49:25 Drunks on film 53:37 Of Human Bondage 59:06 And the Winner Should Have Been... 01:03:45 Upcoming episodes Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Ralph Fiennes
2024/09/28
This week we talk about the films of Ralph Fiennes. We haven't seen all his movies, but we have seen a goodly number. If you're afraid of the sneaky and nefarious SPOILER, you probably ought to be cautious since we fear it not. 00:10 Intro and the topic 02:40 Fiennes and the theater (theatre?) 06:11 Bob attempts to categorize Fiennes' films 07:05 Bob's very wrong about Macbeth being on streaming 08:00 The bulk of Fiennes' movies 13:37 Fiennes as villain 16:03 The Avengers (1998) Bob will be wrong a few seconds later about Fiennes being the villain (it's Sean Connery); not only that, Fiennes plays the hero, which would have been a good thing to have looked up before having the rest of this conversation. Do your homework, kids! 16:51 Our discussion of The English Patient 19:18 "Never" the hero? Didn't you guys just say he was the hero of The King's Man? Tells you how forgettable that film was. 20:13 Fiennes is an actor not a star? 26:31 Work in children's films 31:46 Odds and ends 37:19 Getting off topic and talking about physical media 43:27 Favorite Ralph Fiennes film 47:25 Digression about commentaries, food, other nonsense 51:24 Least favorite Ralph Fiennes film 54:51 Winding down; upcoming episode 56:45 Quick mention of two upcoming films Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
Terminators 1-3
2024/09/07
Bob jumps straight into the topic this episode with SPOILERS from the very start. This episode we assume that you have at least a familiarity with the basic plot of the Terminator films even if, like Mark, you've never seen them. We discuss the first three films and ignore the latter three (which neither Bob nor Mark has seen). Enjoy! 00:10 Intro 00:45 Mark had not seen The Terminator; cultural significance and Schwarzenegger 05:37 Evolution from conclusive to open-ended 08:42 The Terminator 12:30 Does James Cameron care more about technical filmmaking than the story elements? 20:04 Masking the antagonist in Terminator 2 23:10 Linda Hamilton/Sarah Connor 25:41 Which is best and supporting cast 27:43 Terminator 3 is a real step down 31:12 Schwarzenegger is inextricably linked with the Terminator 34:05 Rough story moments in the second filmmaking 35:21 Edward Furlong - American History X 36:25 Robert Patrick 37:10 Kristanna Loken 40:25 Time travel and its problems 44:07 Special effects 48:35 Mild spoilers(?) for Reacher season 2 49:27 Prosthetic effects in The Terminator 52:08 Actor miscellany 56:35 Winding down Intro and Outro music excerpted without alteration other than length and volume from AcidJazz by Kevin McLeod under a Creative Commons (CC BY 3.0) license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode

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