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This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Jodie Burchell - Senior Data Science Developer Advocate at JetBrains Michelle Frost - AI Advocate at JetBrains Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/431 RESOURCES Jodie https://bsky.app/profile/t-redactyl.bsky.social https://fosstodon.org/@t_redactyl https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodieburchell https://github.com/t-redactyl https://t-redactyl.io Michelle https://bsky.app/profile/aiwithmichelle.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-frost-dev https://aiwithmichelle.com Links https://www.youtube.com/@Asianometry https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.01547 https://softwareengineeringproductivity.stanford.edu DESCRIPTION Michelle Frost and Jodie Burchell - both developer advocates at JetBrains — sit down for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about the state of AI. Drawing on Jodie's unusual path from clinical psychology to biostatistics to NLP, and Michelle's background in machine learning fairness and AI ethics consulting, the two offer a measured, research-grounded perspective on generative AI's real capabilities and limitations. They trace historical parallels between today's AI boom and earlier 'AI summers,' unpack the contested definitions of AI and AGI, make the case for why foundational machine learning knowledge still matters, and examine what the evidence actually says about AI's impact on developer productivity. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Mark Coeckelbergh • AI Ethics • https://amzn.to/3SuXUbY Debbie Sue Jancis • AI Ethics • https://amzn.to/44yuEbR Alex Castrounis • AI for People and Business • https://amzn.to/3NYKKTo Phil Winder • Reinforcement Learning • https://amzn.to/3t1S1VZ Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/432 Hannah Foxwell - Independent Consultant & Founder of "AI for the rest of us" Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant RESOURCES Charles https://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.social https://linkedin.com/in/charleshumble https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble https://conissaunce.com Hannah https://bsky.app/profile/hannahfoxwell.net https://medium.com/@hannahfoxwell https://x.com/HannahFoxwell https://github.com/hannahfoxwell https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannah-foxwell Links https://conissaunce.com/services.html https://www.aifortherestofus.co/newsletter https://conissaunce.com/music.html https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0ynenr1eno DESCRIPTION Hannah Foxwell sits down with Charles Humble - speaker, advisor, podcast host, and author - to explore his e-book "Kubernetes at the Edge". They cover what "edge computing" actually means, why it matters across industries from precision agriculture to healthcare and retail, how to approach vendor selection and day-two operations, and why sustainability must be central to how we build and deploy technology. The conversation closes with a frank and thoughtful discussion about the responsibilities of the tech industry in the age of generative AI. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Charles Humble • Kubernetes at the Edge • https://www.conissaunce.com/kubernetes-edge-ebook Charles Humble • Professional Skills for Software Engineers • https://conissaunce.com/professional-skills-shortcut Charles Humble • The Developer's Guide to Cloud Infrastructure, Efficiency & Sustainability • https://conissaunce.com/sustainability-ebook Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This presentation was recorded at GOTO Copenhagen 2025. https://gotocph.com Rebecca Parsons - CTO Emerita at Thoughtworks Gregor Hohpe - Author of "Platform Strategy", "The Software Architect Elevator", et al. Barry O'Reilly - Founder at Black Tulip Tech and Author of "Residues" & "The Architect's Paradox" Andrew Harmel-Law - Technical Principal at Thoughtworks & Author of "Facilitating Software Architecture" RESOURCES Rebecca https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-parsons-871491 https://twitter.com/rebeccaparsons Gregor https://twitter.com/ghohpe https://www.linkedin.com/in/ghohpe http://eaipatterns.com https://architectelevator.com Barry https://bsky.app/profile/technologytulip.bsky.social https://www.linkedin.com/in/barry-o-reilly-b924657 https://www.blacktulip.se Andrew https://bsky.app/profile/andrewhl.bsky.social https://twit.social/@ahl https://x.com/al94781 https://github.com/andrewharmellaw https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewharmellaw https://andrewharmellaw.github.io ABSTRACT Speakers interview each other on topics that matter to them. [...] Read the full abstract here: https://gotocph.com/2025/sessions/3782 RECOMMENDED BOOKS Ford, Parsons, Kua & Sadalage  • Building Evolutionary Architectures 2nd Edition • https://amzn.to/3lqr5Q8 Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy • https://amzn.to/4cxfYdb Gregor Hohpe • The Software Architect Elevator • https://amzn.to/3F6d2ax Barry O'Reilly • Residues • https://leanpub.com/residuality Barry O'Reilly • The Architect's Paradox • https://leanpub.com/architectsparadox Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture • https://amzn.eu/d/5kZKVfU Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/428 Laurenţiu Spilcă - Java Champion, Java Community Lead at Endava & Author of "Software Security for Developers" & more books Thomas Vitale - Senior Software Architect at Systematic & Author of "Cloud Native Spring in Action" RESOURCES Laur https://bsky.app/profile/laurspilca.bsky.social https://x.com/laurspilca https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenţiu-spilcă-01a931107 https://laurspilca.com Thomas https://bsky.app/profile/thomasvitale.com https://mastodon.online/@thomasvitale https://twitter.com/vitalethomas https://linkedin.com/in/vitalethomas https://github.com/ThomasVitale https://www.thomasvitale.com Links https://www.manning.com/books/software-security-for-developers https://adibsaikali.wordpress.com DESCRIPTION Thomas Vitale sits down with Java Champion and author Laurentiu Spilca to discuss his co-authored book "Software Security for Developers". The conversation explores why security is so often avoided by developers, the widespread confusion between foundational concepts like encoding, hashing, and encryption, the dangers of reinventing established security standards, the growing risks of AI-generated code written without security awareness, and why understanding topics like PKI and certificates is more important than ever in modern software development. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Adib Saikali & Laurentiu Spilca • Software Security for Developers • https://amzn.to/4aPhqu0 Laurentiu Spilca • Spring, Start Here • https://amzn.to/3L6Sv6c Laurentiu Spilca • Spring Security in Action • https://amzn.to/3LqEkZW Laurentiu Spilca • Troubleshooting Java • https://amzn.to/4u5vkj0 Thomas Vitale • Cloud Native Spring in Action • https://amzn.to/3kLu1ns Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/428 Elton Stoneman - Freelance Consultant, Trainer & Author of "Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches" Bret Fisher - Docker Captain, Cloud Native Ambassador, Course Creator, YouTuber & Podcaster RESOURCES Elton https://bsky.app/profile/eltonstoneman.bsky.social https://x.com/EltonStoneman https://github.com/sixeyed https://www.linkedin.com/in/eltonstoneman https://blog.sixeyed.com Bret https://bsky.app/profile/bretfisher.com https://x.com/BretFisher https://github.com/BretFisher https://www.linkedin.com/in/bretefisher https://www.bretfisher.com/start https://www.bretfisher.com Links Get 45% discount on Manning products with code: GOTOstoneman3 https://www.manning.com https://blog.sixeyed.com/why-would-you-write-a-book-about-docker-in-2025 https://12factor.net DESCRIPTION In this conversation, Docker educator Brett Fisher sits down with Elton Stoneman - freelance consultant, former Docker employee, and author of "Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches" — to discuss the newly released second edition of his book. They cover what has changed in the container ecosystem over the last five years, why Docker fundamentals still matter even as Kubernetes dominates production environments, and what separates a Docker beginner from a true expert. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Elton Stoneman • Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches • https://amzn.to/4kJVSSD Elton Stoneman • Learn Kubernetes in a Month of Lunches • https://amzn.to/4qKjate Elton Stoneman • Docker on Windows • https://amzn.to/4cD6kJD Burns, Beda & Hightower • Kubernetes: Up & Running • https://amzn.to/3sueuuI Liz Rice • Container Security • https://amzn.to/3oU4iJe Liz Rice • Kubernetes Security • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/kubernetes-security/9781492039075 Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech William Rizzo - Global Field CTO at Mirantis & CNCF Ambassador Colin Griffin - CEO at Krumware & Co-Chair of CNCF Platform Engineering Working Group RESOURCES William https://bsky.app/profile/williamrizzo.bsky.social https://www.linkedin.com/in/william-rizzo https://github.com/wrkode Colin https://bsky.app/profile/devnetes.bsky.social https://github.com/krumware https://www.linkedin.com/in/colin-e-griffin Links https://www.cncf.io/reports/cloud-native-artificial-intelligence-whitepaper https://cloudnativeplatforms.com/whitepapers/platform-eng-maturity-model DESCRIPTION Colin Griffin and William Rizzo explore the evolving state of platform engineering in 2026. They discuss how the discipline plays out very differently across verticals such as fintech, telco, and automotive, and why generic frameworks must be tailored to the unique regulatory, cultural, and technical realities of each industry. The conversation moves through the growing pressure to align platform investments with measurable business outcomes, the distinct compliance challenges facing European organizations under tightening AI regulation, and the infrastructure reckoning triggered by large-scale GPU investment. Both speakers converge on a shared wish: that the CNCF Platform Engineering White Paper and Maturity Model be updated to reflect vertical-specific guidance, informed directly by end-user organizations. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy • https://amzn.to/4cxfYdb Gregor Hohpe • Cloud Strategy • https://amzn.to/3TOS3Nv Zhamak Dehghani • Data Mesh • https://amzn.to/3tTCwAC Sandeep Uttamchandani • The Self-Service Data Roadmap • https://amzn.to/3wAw5W2 Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This conversation was recorded at GOTO Copenhagen 2025. https://gotopia.tech Marko Klemetti - CTO of Eficode Kris Jenkins - Lifelong Computer Geek and Podcast Host ORIGINAL TALK TITLE Rewriting the SDLC Playbook with GenAI: How To Build a GenAI-Augmented Software Organization? RESOURCES Marko https://bsky.app/profile/mrako.com https://twitter.com/mrako https://github.com/mrako https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrako https://mrako.com Kris https://bsky.app/profile/krisajenkins.bsky.social https://twitter.com/krisajenkins https://www.linkedin.com/in/krisjenkins https://github.com/krisajenkins http://blog.jenkster.com ABSTRACT Speakers interview each other on topics that matter to them. Expect the unexpected. [...] Read the full abstract here: https://gotocph.com/2025/sessions/3931 RECOMMENDED BOOKS Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ Forsgren, Humble & Kim • Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps • https://amzn.to/3tCz1xO John Arundel & Justin Domingus • Cloud Native DevOps with Kubernetes • https://amzn.to/3hKZvI5 Wynne, Hellesoy & Tooke • The Cucumber Book • https://amzn.to/3tEUINJ Sol Rashidi • Your AI Survival Guide • https://amzn.to/3UFYnKC David Foster • Generative Deep Learning • https://amzn.to/48ZgP4x Phil Winder • Reinforcement Learning • https://amzn.to/3t1S1VZ Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/429 Ajay Chankramath - Founder & CEO at Platformetrics & Co-Author of "Effective Platform Engineering" Nic Cheneweth - Principal Consultant at Thoughtworks & Co-Author of "Effective Platform Engineering" RESOURCES Ajay https://www.linkedin.com/in/chankramath https://github.com/achankra https://x.com/ajchantw https://chankramath.com https://platformetrics.com Nic https://www.linkedin.com/in/niccheneweth https://github.com/ncheneweth https://x.com/NicCheneweth https://ncheneweth.com Links https://effectiveplatformengineering.com https://epetech.io https://dora.dev https://dora.dev/research/2025/dora-report DESCRIPTION Ajay Chankramath (founder and CEO of Platformetrics) and Nic Cheneweth  Cheneweth (Principal Technologist at ThoughtWorks) explore the evolving world of platform engineering. They discuss why a product mindset is critical for internal platforms, how control planes and API-first design create scalable foundations, the real challenges organizations face when implementing Backstage, and where AI and agents are beginning to change the platform landscape. Throughout, both speakers emphasize that cutting corners on architectural foundations ultimately compounds problems at scale. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Chankramath, Cheneweth, Oliver & Alvarez • Effective Platform Engineering • https://amzn.to/3OnxN8i Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy • https://amzn.to/4cxfYdb Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded for GOTO State of the Art in November 2025. https://gotopia.tech Read the full transcription of this interview here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/425 Adrian Mouat - Developer Relations at Chainguard & Author of 'Using Docker' Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant RESOURCES Adrian https://bsky.app/profile/adrianmouat.com https://twitter.com/adrianmouat https://github.com/amouat https://linkedin.com/in/adrianmouat http://www.adrianmouat.com Charles https://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.social https://linkedin.com/in/charleshumble https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble https://conissaunce.com Links https://images.chainguard.dev https://www.cisa.gov/sbom https://www.chainguard.dev/supply-chain-security-101/the-npm-registry-cant-protect-you-the-new-javascript-supply-chain-attacks https://oxide-and-friends.transistor.fm/episodes/discovering-the-xz-backdoor-with-andres-freund https://edu.chainguard.dev DESCRIPTION In this State of the Art episode, Charles Humble speaks with Adrian Mouat, Developer Relations at Chainguard and author of "Using Docker", about the evolution of container security and the persistent challenge of outdated packages. Adrian explains how traditional Linux distributions weren't designed for the immutable, frequently-replaced nature of containers, leading to security vulnerabilities that scanners detect but teams struggle to address. He discusses how Chainguard tackles this problem by building everything from source using Wolfi, creating minimal "distroless" images with near-zero CVEs, and how concepts like SBOMs, attestations, and defense in depth are reshaping security practices. The conversation also covers major security incidents including the XZ Utils backdoor and Shai-hulud attacks, emphasizing the importance of building from source, using short-lived credentials, and replacing rather than updating containers – practices pioneered by companies like Google that are gradually spreading across the industry. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Adrian Mouat • Using Docker • https://amzn.to/3PEYIJL Liz Rice • Container Security • https://amzn.to/3oU4iJe Liz Rice • Kubernetes Security • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/kubernetes-security/9781492039075 Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/427 Nick Selby - Managing Partner at EPSD Sarah Wells - Independent Consultant & Author of "Enabling Microservice Success" RESOURCES Nick https://infosec.exchange/@fuzztech https://bsky.app/profile/nickselby.com https://github.com/nickselby https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickselby https://nickselby.com Sarah https://bsky.app/profile/sarahjwells.bsky.social https://linkedin.com/in/sarahjwells1 https://www.sarahwells.dev Links https://ainowinstitute.org/contributor/heidy https://www.heidyk.com DESCRIPTION In this conversation, Sarah Wells and Nick Selby explore why the current rush to adopt AI tools introduces significant business risks. They discuss how AI vendors deliberately blur security terminology to confuse buyers, how AI tools' insatiable appetite for data creates enormous blast radii when breaches occur, and what organizations can do to adopt AI responsibly - from threat modeling and cross-disciplinary governance to minimum-permission principles and incident readiness. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Sarah Wells • Enabling Microservice Success • https://amzn.to/4aa8xrv Katharine Jarmul • Practical Data Privacy • https://amzn.to/3OafC3m Katharine Jarmul & Jacqueline Kazil • Data Wrangling with Python • https://amzn.to/3Ue5BV5 Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/426 Frances Buontempo - Consultant, Developer & Author of "Learn C++ by Example" Matt Godbolt - Low-level Latency Geek & Creator of Compiler Explorer RESOURCES Frances https://bsky.app/profile/fbuontempo.bsky.social https://mastodon.social/@fbuontempo https://x.com/fbuontempo https://github.com/doctorlove https://www.linkedin.com/in/francesbuontempo https://about.me/frances_buontempo https://buontempoconsulting.blogspot.com Matt https://bsky.app/profile/matt.godbolt.org https://xania.org https://github.com/mattgodbolt https://www.linkedin.com/in/godbolt https://twitter.com/mattgodbolt https://godbolt.org Links https://cppinsights.io DESCRIPTION Matt Godbolt interviews Frances Buontempo about her book "Learn C++ by Example", a practical guide aimed at helping programmers relearn modern C++ features introduced since C++11. Frances shares her unique teaching philosophy, which emphasizes self-contained, playable examples like simple games that make complex concepts accessible and memorable. Drawing on her background in mathematics and her father's work in teacher education, she explains how her approach—exemplified by her famous "X Out of a Y Paper Bag" series of talks—uses humor and practical scenarios to help learners understand challenging topics like coroutines, the spaceship operator, and the "almost always auto" style. The discussion touches on the evolution of C++, the upcoming reflection features in C++26, and Fran's current project: writing an introductory C++ book for complete beginners, despite finding concepts like "constant variable" challenging to explain even as an experienced author. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Frances Buontempo • Learn C++ by Example • https://amzn.to/4rgxSZX Frances Buontempo • Introducing C++ • https://amzn.to/40aHQQC Frances Buontempo • Genetic Algorithms and Machine Learning for Programmers • https://amzn.to/3OLjXMV Daniel Kusswurm • Modern Parallel Programming with C++ and Assembly Language • https://amzn.to/4o5J3SF Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded for GOTO State of the Art in January 2026. https://gotopia.tech Read the full transcription of this interview here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/423 Dr. Ewelina Kurtys - Strategic Advisor on Frontier Technologies at FinalSpark Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant RESOURCES Ewelina https://x.com/ewelina_kurtys https://github.com/ewelinaewela https://www.linkedin.com/in/ewelinakurtys https://www.ewelinakurtys.com Charles https://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.social https://linkedin.com/in/charleshumble https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble https://conissaunce.com Links https://finalspark.com https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/biologically-inspired-computing-dr-ewelina-kurtys-udnhe https://finalspark.com/finalspark-6-month-research-technology-update https://finalspark.com/first-publication-from-a-neuroplatform-user DESCRIPTION Dr. Ewelina Kurtys, Strategy Advisor at FinalSpark, discusses the revolutionary potential of biological computing with host Charles Humble. The conversation explores FinalSpark's ambitious goal to build computers using living neurons that are 1 million times more energy efficient than current digital systems. Ewelina explains the technical challenges of working with brain organoids, the ethical considerations of using human stem cells, and why biological neurons could dramatically reduce AI costs while offering unique advantages for complex tasks like generative AI. The interview covers everything from neural encoding and plasticity to consciousness and the deterministic nature of the brain. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Robert M. Sapolsk • Determined • https://amzn.to/4akv2gi Jin Xu • Biological Computing • https://amzn.to/4a4Wwp9 Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/424 Susanne Kaiser - Independent Tech Consultant & Author of "Architecture for Flow" James Lewis - Software Architect & Director at Thoughtworks RESOURCES Susanne https://bsky.app/profile/suksr.bsky.social https://mastodon.social/@suksr https://twitter.com/suksr https://www.linkedin.com/in/susannekaiser1 https://susannekaiser.net James https://bsky.app/profile/boicy.bovon.org https://twitter.com/boicy https://linkedin.com/in/james-lewis-microservices https://github.com/boicy https://www.bovon.org Links https://susannekaiser.net/the-architecture-for-flow-canvas https://susannekaiser.net/articles https://www.christenseninstitute.org/theory/jobs-to-be-done DESCRIPTION James Lewis interviews Susanne Kaiser about her comprehensive new book "Architecture for Flow: Adaptive Systems with Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping and Team Topologies". Susanne shares how she brought together 3 powerful frameworks over several years of her consulting work, creating a holistic approach to designing socio-technical systems. The discussion covers her journey from startup CTO to independent consultant, the evolution of her thinking around value streams and team organization, and her practical "Architecture for Flow Canvas" that teams can use to assess their current state and envision their future. With 126 hand-drawn illustrations and 599 sticky notes in the book, Kaiser emphasizes the importance of visual communication and starting with the problem space before jumping to solutions. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/3XTmNCc Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/4a2gh0i Woods, Erder & Pureur • Continuous Architecture in Practice • https://amzn.to/2QWAmkl Steve Pereira & Andrew Davis • Flow Engineering • https://amzn.to/3GY3u44 Stefan Hofer & Henning Schwentner • Domain Storytelling • https://amzn.to/3EroBH7 Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded at GOTO Copenhagen 2025. https://gotocph.com Abby Bangser - Platform Engineering Insights from Syntasso delivering Kratix Adrian Mouat - Developer Relations at Chainguard & Author of 'Using Docker' Holly Cummins - JavaOne Rock Star. Building Quarkus to Make the Cloud Cloudier RESOURCES Abby https://bsky.app/profile/abangser.bsky.social https://twitter.com/a_bangser https://github.com/abangser https://www.linkedin.com/in/abbybangser https://www.syntasso.io/members-area/abby/profile Adrian https://bsky.app/profile/adrianmouat.com https://twitter.com/adrianmouat https://github.com/amouat https://linkedin.com/in/adrianmouat http://www.adrianmouat.com Holly https://hollycummins.com https://hollycummins.com/type/blog https://bsky.app/profile/hollycummins.com https://hachyderm.io/@holly_cummins https://twitter.com/holly_cummins https://github.com/holly-cummins https://linkedin.com/in/holly-k-cummins RECOMMENDED BOOKS Adrian Mouat • Using Docker • https://amzn.to/3PEYIJL Liz Rice • Container Security • https://amzn.to/3oU4iJe Liz Rice • Kubernetes Security • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/kubernetes-security/9781492039075 Anne Currie, Sarah Hsu, & Sara Bergman • Building Green Software • https://amzn.to/3UjSClv Kief Morris • Infrastructure as Code • https://amzn.to/4e6EBQc Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/422 Fabrice Bernhard - Co-Author of “The Lean Tech Manifesto” & Co-Founder & CTO at Theodo Steve Pereira - C o-Author of “Flow Engineering” & Principal Consultant at Visible Flow Consulting RESOURCES Fabrice https://bsky.app/profile/fab-ber.bsky.social https://x.com/fabriceb https://github.com/fabriceb https://www.linkedin.com/in/fabricebernhard Steve https://x.com/steveelsewhere https://github.com/stevepereira https://www.linkedin.com/in/devopsto https://stevepereira.ca Links https://hbr.org/1986/01/the-new-new-product-development-game DESCRIPTION Fabrice Bernhard, co-founder of Theodo and co-author of "The Lean Tech Manifesto", shares his journey from agile practitioner to lean thinking advocate. The discussion explores how lean principles can scale agile practices beyond small teams, the misconceptions around both methodologies, and the emergence of tech-enabled networks of teams as a new organizational model. Fabrice emphasizes that both lean and agile are fundamentally about people, not processes, and shares practical lessons from scaling his consultancy to 700 people while maintaining agility through lean principles. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Fabrice Bernhard & Benoît Charles-Lavauzelle • The Lean Tech Manifesto • https://amzn.to/3Z4EbU6 Steve Pereira & Andrew Davis • Flow Engineering • https://amzn.to/3GY3u44 General Stanley McChrystal, Collins, Silverman & Fussell • Team of Teams • https://amzn.to/4bUzhQY Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/4a2gh0i Bill Frasure, Bruce Eckel, James Ward • Effect Oriented Programming • https://amzn.to/4sO6wLV Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/3XTmNCc Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!