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Mindful School Marketing

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123 episodes
Language
English
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Date created
2021/03/30
Latest episode
2026/01/28
Average duration
37 min.
Release period
18 days

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The Mindful School Marketing podcast discusses topics relevant to independent school administrators and marketers for K-12 independent private schools and camps. The podcast offers a mix of discussions and interviews with professionals both within and outside of the independent school community. We will cover the connection between mindfulness and success at work and at home, and how mindfulness applies to effective independent school marketing and administration. Co-hosts Aubrey Bursch and Tara Claeys conduct casual and meaningful conversations to help their listeners discover new strategies, tactics, ideas and tools for improving their school enrollment and retention, productivity, and overall happiness.

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Should Your School Say Yes to Vouchers? with Steve Salvo and Michael Christopher
2026/01/28
In this episode of Mindful School Marketing, we dig into one of the most complex and timely questions facing independent and private schools today: should your school participate in voucher or ESA programs. This conversation is especially relevant for school leaders navigating financial pressure, enrollment strategy, and mission alignment as school choice expands across the country. We are joined by Steve Salvo, Head of School at St. Mary’s Episcopal Day School in Tampa, and Michael Christopher, consultant with Independent School Management (ISM). Together, they bring both a lived leadership perspective and a national consulting lens to help schools think clearly about what is at stake, what questions must be answered, and how to approach vouchers with intention rather than pressure. In This Episode What voucher and school choice programs actually look like across different states The non-negotiable questions boards must answer before saying yes to vouchers Financial planning risks, including sustainability if voucher funding changes How vouchers can impact mission, admissions, faculty, and program integrity Best practices for communicating voucher decisions clearly to families and staff
Doing Everything Isn’t the Job: Redefining School Leadership, Delegation, and Self-Worth with Rebecca Malotke-Meslin
2026/01/14
In this episode of Mindful School Marketing, we’re joined again by leadership coach and consultant Rebecca Malotke-Meslin, founder of Pleasantly Aggressive Coaching and Consulting. Rebecca works with early and mid-career women leaders in schools and nonprofits who are often praised for doing everything but rarely supported in sustainable ways. Together, we name what so many school leaders are quietly carrying: More responsibility with fewer resources, expanding roles without expanded pay, and the unspoken expectation that caring deeply means endlessly giving. Rebecca breaks down why this dynamic is so common in schools, how it leads to burnout and even physical illness, and what women leaders can do to protect their health, boundaries, and sense of worth without losing relationships or credibility. In This Episode: Why “doing more with less” has become normalized in schools and nonprofits How overextension and praise can mask burnout and exploitation Why delegation is a core leadership skill, not a failure How to advocate for fair compensation when your role expands Practical ways to say no and set boundaries without damaging trust
Millennial Parents and AI Search: How Independent Schools Must Adapt
2025/11/19
As we wrap up the year, it’s just the two of us, Aubrey and Tara, reflecting on what we’ve learned from our guests and what’s ahead for schools in 2026. This year, so many of our conversations have come back to two big shifts: the rise of millennial parents as today’s primary decision makers and the growing role of AI in how families search for and evaluate schools. In this episode, we’re sharing how these changes are transforming school marketing and admissions and what you can do to keep up. From phone call anxiety and value-driven messaging to AI-powered search results and website structure, we’re talking about what schools must adapt to stay relevant in a digital-first world. In This Episode: What millennial parents want from independent schools and how they make enrollment decisions Why authenticity and social proof matter more than polished marketing How to rethink your website for AI-driven search and zero-click results Simple ways to make your admissions process work for digital-first families A fun AI test you can try to see how your school shows up in search Our reflections from a year of meaningful conversations and what’s ahead in 2026
Running a School in the Crisis Era: Messaging, Mission, and Survival in the Fourth Turning with Jesse Meadow
2025/11/05
In this episode, we’re joined by Jesse Meadow, co-founder and Managing Director of Schoolcraft Digital, where he helps independent schools across the country plan and implement marketing strategies that truly connect with today’s parents. Jesse shares how the idea of The Fourth Turning can help school leaders understand the times we’re in and lead with purpose. We explore what it means to run a school during a crisis era, how to communicate with clarity when everything feels uncertain, and how to ground your marketing in mission and trust. Key Takeaways from This Episode How the Fourth Turning explains the era of crisis schools are facing today Why clarity over complexity is the principle every school should prioritize Ways to stay mission-focused and build community trust in uncertain times How data and calm leadership can help schools navigate ongoing change
Episcopal Schools Today: Leadership, Challenges, and Opportunities in Independent and Faith-Based Education with David Madison
2025/10/22
In this episode, we sit down with David Madison, Executive Director of the National Association of Episcopal Schools (NAES). David shares how Episcopal schools define their identity and communicate their mission in ways that serve both their faith-based roots and their wider communities. He offers insights that every independent school leader can apply when clarifying values, strengthening culture, and building trust with families. Key Takeaways from This Episode The four pillars of Episcopal identity and how they shape school culture and leadership Why clarity and transparency are essential in admissions and marketing communications Common challenges facing independent and faith-based schools today How strong leaders use mission to guide hiring, retention, and community building Practical ways to differentiate your school and articulate what makes it unique How to balance faith traditions with inclusivity and belonging
Upholding Your School’s Mission Through Inclusive Communication with Jan Abernathy
2025/10/08
As school communicators, we know how complex it can be to navigate today’s conversations around diversity, equity, and inclusion. In this episode, we sit down with Jan Abernathy, Chief Communications Officer at The Browning School and principal at Jan Abernathy Strategic Communications, to explore how schools can stay grounded in their mission while addressing sensitive topics in ways that truly build community. Jan shares why language matters, how schools can balance different stakeholder perspectives, and why it’s crucial to not only “talk the talk” but also “walk the walk.” We dig into practical strategies for creating inclusive messaging that supports both students and families, and we also touch on how AI tools can help schools strengthen communications with greater awareness and clarity. In This Episode, We Cover: How today’s political climate is influencing DEI conversations in schools Why grounding communication in your school’s mission builds consensus Practical examples of inclusive communication that benefit all families Ways to address differing stakeholder perspectives without losing credibility The role of listening and market research in understanding parent language How AI can be used to test and refine school communications
The Microschool Movement: Growth, Impact, and What’s Next with Whitney Retzer
2025/09/24
The microschool movement is gaining momentum worldwide, reshaping how families and educators think about learning. In this episode, we sit down with Whitney Retzer of the Microschools Network to explore how these intentionally small learning environments are redefining education. From pandemic-driven shifts to global innovation, Whitney shares what’s fueling their rapid growth and why so many families are drawn to them. You’ll hear how microschools create community, flexibility, and a sense of belonging that traditional models often lack. Whitney also discusses how independent schools can collaborate with microschools, the challenges of visibility and marketing, and where this educational movement is headed next. In This Episode What defines a microschool and how it differs from traditional and independent schools Why families are increasingly choosing microschools for their children The pandemic’s role in accelerating growth in alternative learning models How microschools are thriving globally, from digital nomad hubs to refugee camps Marketing and visibility challenges microschools face (and how they overcome them) Ways independent and private schools can collaborate with microschools
Intentional Enrollment and Inclusivity with Dr. Tiffany Bridgewater
2025/09/10
Enrollment growth and student diversity do not happen by chance. They require clear messaging, intentional strategy, and authentic community engagement. In this episode, we talk with Dr. Tiffany Bridgewater about the practices that helped her school increase enrollment and boost student diversity, and how you can apply the same principles in your own community. Tiffany shares what worked in her decade at Louisville Collegiate School and now as a consultant guiding schools nationwide. From involving faculty in admissions to tailoring tours to family needs, she emphasizes relationship building as the key to long-term success. Episode Highlights Branding strategies that helped a lower school grow enrollment Practical ways to involve faculty in the admissions process Using data to personalize tours and family conversations Moving from transactional admissions to relationship-driven community building Retaining students of color and supporting belonging Red flags schools should avoid when presenting themselves to families How mindfulness informs Tiffany’s leadership and coaching
Turning Conflict Into Collaboration: Practical Tools for School Leaders with Bridget Johnson
2025/08/27
Conflict is an everyday reality in schools, whether it’s navigating project delays, managing stretched teams, or finding common ground across departments. In this episode of Mindful School Marketing, we’re joined by Bridget Johnson, founder of the Dean’s Round Table and Bridget Johnson Coaching and Consulting. Bridget specializes in professional development for student life professionals, and she shares actionable tools that help leaders manage conflict with clarity, empathy, and intention. From proactive communication strategies to building relationships before conflicts arise, Bridget highlights practical steps any school leader can take to create healthier, more collaborative working environments. If you’ve ever felt stuck waiting on decisions, caught between competing priorities, or pulled into emotionally charged situations, you’ll find this conversation full of strategies you can put into practice right away. In This Episode: How to set clear timelines and create respectful follow-up systems Using active listening and shared interests to solve interdepartmental conflicts Practical ways to stay calm and fact-based when emotions run high Why building relationships before conflict is key to resolving challenges Establishing clear expectations and professional conduct standards across teams How mindfulness can help leaders pause, reframe, and respond with intention
Rethinking Fundraising: Smarter Strategist for School Advancement with Barbara Barron
2025/08/13
In this episode of Mindful School Marketing, we sit down with Barbara Barron, a seasoned consultant in independent school advancement, to challenge outdated fundraising tactics and explore more effective ways to engage school communities. From reimagining galas to building mission-driven collaboration between marketing and development, Barbara shares fresh, realistic insights for today’s school landscape. We also discuss why alumni giving is often misunderstood, how over-asking impacts donor fatigue, and why thoughtful timing and communication matter more than ever. Barbara’s approach is both strategic and compassionate, offering a path forward that respects the time, energy, and values of families and school staff alike. In This Episode, You’ll Hear: Why marketing and development teams should collaborate closely A smarter alternative to galas and auctions (and why the ROI matters) What schools often get wrong about alumni fundraising How to reduce “ask fatigue” and sequence requests more effectively Tips for breaking through inbox noise with authentic communication How mindfulness and presence can transform fundraising conversations
Unpacking the Latest Enrollment Trends in Independent Schools with Christina Dotchin of EMA
2025/07/30
In this episode of Mindful School Marketing, we’re joined by Christina Dotchin, Vice President of Member Relations at the Enrollment Management Association (EMA). Christina shares a behind-the-scenes look at EMA’s pivotal role in supporting over 1,200 independent schools and 20,000 members through research, enrollment tools, and professional development. We dive into the latest enrollment trends emerging from EMA’s recent reports, including the State of the Independent School Enrollment Industry, Ride to Independent Schools, and their newest study on Family Perceptions of Value and Affordability. Christina reveals what families really care about when choosing a school, and the data might surprise you. From rising waitlists to the continued importance of college outcomes, this episode will help school leaders and marketing teams understand what’s shifting and how to respond. In This Episode: What EMA’s recent merger with ERB means for schools Key takeaways from three major enrollment reports What families say they value most and what they won’t compromise on How to use data to make strategic decisions instead of relying on gut feelings Rethinking the ROI of open houses The surprising factor that still drives high school enrollment decisions Why being mindful and present matters in enrollment conversations Mentioned in the episode: https://www.enrollment.org/professional-development/enrollment-management-spectrum
A School Marketer’s Guide to Generative AI with Jordache Johnson
2025/07/16
AI is everywhere right now, but how can school marketers and leaders use it to save time and increase personalization without losing the heart of their message? In this episode, we talk with Jordache Johnson, AI strategist and founder of Never Tech Behind, about how to integrate AI into your school’s systems in a smart and human-centered way. Jordache shares how schools can apply his signature ADAPT System, DICE Method, and AHAA Framework to get real results without overhauling everything at once. We explore where to start, how to train your team, and why your school’s voice and values matter more than ever in this new tech landscape. In This Episode: What generative AI is and how it’s different from traditional AI Why schools should start by looking at their workflows, not the tools Simple ways to personalize AI tools using your own data and examples How to use the DICE Method to help AI sound more like your school Common AI mistakes schools make and how to avoid them Jordache’s top tool recommendations for note-taking, organizing, and content support What makes ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini different and when to use each one How to build an AI council and responsible policies inside your school
The State of School MarCom: Brendan Schneider on Trends, Talent, and AI Tools
2025/07/02
Brendan Schneider is back to talk about the real-world impact of his annual MarCom Society Salary Survey. As the founder and CEO of SchneiderB Media, Brendan helps schools grow enrollment through his Fractional Digital Marketing program, SchoolMarketingCRM, and as a leading voice in inbound marketing and the use of AI in schools. In this episode, Brendan breaks down what the survey revealed and what school leaders need to know about resourcing, retention, and the reality of today’s marketing roles. We talk about: • The concerning lack of professional development funding for MarCom pros • How outdated hiring practices are holding schools back • Why marketing roles are expanding but support is not keeping pace • What school leaders should really be doing with AI and what to avoid • The top mistake Brendan sees schools making in their marketing • Practical ideas for giving your team more time to think strategically Mentioned in the Episode: https://www.schneiderb.com https://amzn.to/430vtrt
110: Outsourcing School Success and Navigating Partnerships with Chris Pryor
2025/06/18
Today we’re joined by Chris Pryor, Founder and Principal of LeadTeam Partners. With over 20 years of experience in independent schools, Chris now supports school leaders through School Partner Connect, a community designed to help schools navigate partner and consultant searches with confidence. His work helps leaders stay focused on day-to-day operations while delegating with clarity. In this episode, we explore: • What to outsource and what to keep in-house • How to avoid common pitfalls in consultant partnerships • The cost difference between employees and contractors • How small schools can make outsourcing more affordable • Why alignment and communication are essential before hiring outside help Mentioned in the episode: LeadTeam Partner’s Website: www.leadteampartners.com Submit a Project to School Partner Connect: https://www.leadteampartners.com/schoolproject School Partner Connect Summit (August 18–19): www.leadteampartners.com/school-partner-connect-summit
Overcoming Overwhelm: Mindful Techniques for School Leaders
2025/06/04
Today we’re joined by Cheryl Fischer, a certified Life and Mindset Coach and host of the Mind Your Midlife podcast. Cheryl spent over a decade as a secondary school teacher and now works with educators and professionals to help them shift the stories they tell themselves—from stuck and overwhelmed to capable, confident, and clear. This conversation is full of honest reflections and practical strategies for anyone navigating the pressures of school leadership, team dynamics, or personal change. Cheryl brings warmth, insight, and a deep understanding of the emotional weight many educators carry. Highlights include: • Why awareness is the first step to any meaningful mindset shift • How to interrupt the “loop” of negative self-talk • The stories school leaders often carry—and how to rewrite them

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4.9 out of 5
16 reviews
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CPF2 2025/06/09
Insightful
Great podcast with practical tips for school professionals. I love the interaction between Aubrey and Tara as well.
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Liam Dempsey 2025/01/10
Thoughtful questions and compelling answers
Really like the way that Tara and Aubrey do their research before the interview. They put together quality questions so their guests can provide meani...
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joe monzo 2022/02/23
Great podcast for an important topic!
Tara and Aubrey are a power team that delivers an excellent experience for both the listener and the guest. Its a great podcast for anyone in the scho...
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Liza Fisher Norman 2021/06/28
Listen up, private school marketers!
This dynamic duo bubble with energy, ideas, and chemistry in talking about private school marketing. Subscribe and increase your knowledge while eaves...
★★★★★
sdee11 2021/04/25
Great podcast
Loving Tara and Aubrey’s energy as hosts and their enthusiasm for independent school marketing. A must listen!
★★★★★
Jersey Kerrigan 2021/04/25
Delivered even more than I expected
Tara and Audrey deliver deep conversations with their guests that support more than private school marketers. The deliver great value for that audienc...
★★★★★
Island Miki 2021/04/21
Worth Your Time!
Aubrey and Tara make a great team and are easy to listen to. Although this is mostly about School Marketing it is very relatable to many other aspects...
★★★★★
DesignPowers 2021/04/16
Tender Mammal Here
I listen to the episode about the Enneagram with Shay Bocks. Fascinating approach to branding and design for someone who isn't as woo woo. I enjoyed t...
★★★★☆
Brigs1940 2021/04/17
Worthwhile Listening
I’m so impressed with the knowledge and confidence of these women. They have so much to offer and do it in a manner that is friendly and interesting.
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brigs1940! 2021/04/16
Mindful school marketing
Energetic hosts. Great variety of authoritative guests. Goes beyond primary school marketing focus. Something for everyone.
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