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Send us Fan Mail The day you retire, the job doesn’t just end. Your identity can crack wide open. I sit down with Kemmi Sadler, a recently retired law enforcement professional, to talk about what it really feels like to go from “in the club” to “civilian” overnight, and why that change can pull years of grief and trauma straight to the surface. We get honest about the quiet moments after a career of composure, and the uneasy question so many first responders carry: if I’m the protector, who protects me when I finally need help?  Kimmy shares how she started a deep dive into psychedelics and eventually found her way to ayahuasca in a U.S.-based church setting. We unpack the stigma around plant medicine, microdosing, and even cannabis for sleep, especially in a culture that often accepts pharmaceuticals without blinking while judging anything labeled a “drug.” The biggest takeaway isn’t hype, it’s the hard work: surrender, vulnerability, and the uncomfortable truth that healing can be demanding when your nervous system has been trained for vigilance and control.  We also talk about her memoir, From the Badge to the Vine: Journey Through Duty, Trauma, and Healing, and how telling the raw story becomes part of destigmatizing mental health treatment for the first responder community. Then we zoom out to what’s next: her Camino de Santiago pilgrimage with her dog Nona, a mental health awareness walk meant to remind people that while one path isn’t for everyone, the need for healing is universal.  If this conversation hits home, subscribe, share it with a coworker or a retiree, and leave a review so more first responders can find it. Here is how to reach Kemmi:  www.klsadler.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemmisadler/ https://www.facebook.com/klsadler https://www.instagram.com/klsadler_/ www.nonasway.com https://www.facebook.com/NonaTheWonderDog/ https://www.instagram.com/nonas_way_/ Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail The job can send you to the hardest places on earth, then expect you to come home and act like nothing followed you back. We talk with Kemmi Sadler, a retired supervisory special agent from the U.S. State Department’s Diplomatic Security Service, about what two decades of protective missions, investigations, and overseas tours can do to your inner life. From her early years in local law enforcement to contracting overseas after 9/11 and then serving across posts like Iraq, Afghanistan, El Salvador, Mexico, and Washington, DC, Kemi lays out the real-world stressors that build over time: constant moves, family complications, and the relentless requirement to stay sharp. One story becomes a turning point, opening the door to survivor’s guilt and the kind of grief that can linger for years when it never gets fully processed. We also dig into a barrier so many first responders recognize instantly: the fear that counseling could trigger “fitness for duty” questions or jeopardize a security clearance. When your identity is built around being the tough one, asking for help can feel like risking everything. We compare peer support, resilience training, and the idea of routine mental health wellness visits that work like a checkup rather than a crisis response. We close with the shock of retirement and why turning in credentials can feel like losing membership in a world that once gave you status, safety, and a clear sense of self. If you care about first responder mental health, trauma recovery, and the transition out of service, this conversation will stay with you. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, and leave a review so more first responders can find these stories. Here is how to reach Kemmi:  www.klsadler.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/kemmisadler/ https://www.facebook.com/klsadler https://www.instagram.com/klsadler_/ www.nonasway.com https://www.facebook.com/NonaTheWonderDog/ https://www.instagram.com/nonas_way_/ DeemedFit: First Responder OwnedWe are a first responder owned company looking to get first responders in the best mental shape.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail Supervision used to be something you could reach for without fear or apology, and a lot of us built our careers on that kind of steady mentorship. Recording with Dennis Sweeney, Chris Gordon, Bob Cherney, Andy Kang, and Pat Rice, we get real about what’s changed in mental health and first responder support, and what it costs when clinicians and teams try to do complex work in isolation. We dig into why the supervision relationship matters so much for crisis intervention, addiction recovery, and trauma work, especially when the cases are messy and the emotions run hot. We talk about therapeutic alliance, trust, and the small human moments that can shift everything: slowing down a frantic consult, finding strengths instead of only problems, and using kindness and humor as legitimate clinical skills. We also challenge toxic language that creeps into high-stress systems, including the “frequent flyer” label, and we explore how dehumanizing terms don’t just hurt patients, they damage team culture and decision-making. We zoom out to the world first responders work in now: constant cameras, public anger, and broad generalizations that treat individuals like symbols. The through-line is simple and demanding: stay human, keep wondering why, and build a network that can hold you up when the work gets heavy.  If this conversation helps, subscribe, share it with someone on your team, and leave a review so more first responders and clinicians can find it. DeemedFit: First Responder OwnedWe are a first responder owned company looking to get first responders in the best mental shape.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail If you think police wellness is mostly about eating better and “handling stress,” this conversation will challenge you fast. Kevin Gilmartin returns and gets blunt about what the job does to the body and brain over years of hypervigilance, and why the usual scapegoat (donuts) misses the real drivers: cortisol, adrenaline, sleep debt, and a culture that treats prevention like an optional perk. We talk through the metabolic health side of first responder mental health, including type 2 diabetes risk, abdominal weight gain, and the two simplest red flags that signal trouble: shrinking sleep and expanding waist size. We also dig into a tough truth from decades of fitness-for-duty work, where “anger issues” are often undiagnosed sleep disorders and exhaustion. If we want safer decisions, better policing, and fewer careers ending early, sleep hygiene and daily physical training have to be treated like officer safety, not a personal preference. From there we zoom out to leadership, overtime culture, and the retirement transition. When the job becomes identity, relationships, and social life, retirement can feel like a cliff. We discuss practical time management, building civilian friendships, and keeping hobbies alive now rather than postponing life until “after I retire.” We also touch on financial wellness, smarter wellness programs, sabbaticals like other countries use, and why clinicians need real cultural competency through ride-alongs and time in the environment. You’ll also hear a powerful example of peer support done right: community, hobbies, and living in the moment, plus a strong recommendation for Kevin Gilmartin’s book Emotional Survival for Law Enforcement. If this helped, subscribe, share it with a coworker, and leave a review so more first responders can find it. Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail A lot of police wellness talk starts after something terrible happens. We wanted to start earlier and go deeper, into the daily mechanics of the job that slowly shape sleep, mood, relationships, and long-term health. I’m joined by Kevin Gilmartin, a retired law enforcement veteran and clinical psychologist who’s been watching the evolution of first responder mental health since the 1970s, and he brings a blunt, practical view of what actually changes outcomes. We dig into why law enforcement trains relentlessly for tactics yet rarely treats mental health training, sleep hygiene, and recovery as mandatory readiness skills. Kevin connects the dots between sleep impairment and judgment errors, then pushes beyond the usual “short game” focus on critical incidents and PTSD. The bigger risk is what builds quietly over years: burnout, disengagement, cynicism, and preventable disease that steals retirement from the people who earned it. One of the most memorable parts is Kevin’s biological lens on officer safety and hypervigilance. The same distrust-based alertness that keeps officers alive on the street can drive a stress cycle of cortisol, glucose dumping, insulin response, abdominal weight gain, and a predictable march toward type 2 diabetes and heart risk. We also talk leadership versus bosses, what real leadership looks like in the moment, and why coaching and mentorship can keep good cops good for the next 10, 20, even 40 years. If you care about first responder wellness, police mental health, and practical resilience that holds up over a career, press play. Subscribe, share this with someone in the job, and leave us a review so more people can find the long-game approach to serving and surviving. You can find Kevin at his website at https://emotionalsurvival.com/author.htm Buy his book at this link.  Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail You can do everything “right” on the job and still end up quietly falling apart at home. Part two with Nikki Mason gets real about what first responder mental health support actually needs to look like when the stakes are high and the window for help is small. We start with the hard conversation many departments avoid: how to get chiefs and administrators to back real treatment instead of rushing someone back after a few required days off. Nikki explains why a first responder agreeing to care is a rare moment worth protecting, and we talk about how the leadership case can be framed in human terms and in dollars and cents, including the true cost of losing a trained police officer, firefighter, paramedic, dispatcher, or correctional professional. Then we break down what a voluntary first responder treatment program can look like at Granite Recovery Centers’ Rally Point program in New Hampshire: no locked doors, a supportive environment, daily groups, individual therapy, case management, medical support when needed, and recovery options that respect personal choice. We also dig into Granite’s Enjoy Life campaign and why rebuilding connection, fun, and community is not fluff but a relapse prevention tool. If you have ever wondered whether “connection” is the missing piece for PTSD, depression, anxiety, or substance use recovery, this conversation gives you language and a path forward. To find Nikki Mason, please visit Granite Recovery Centers - Rally Point Program: Detox, residential, PHP/IOP with lodging up in scenic New Hampshire, all in network with insurance Also visit Open Sky - Crisis Intervention Training: 40 hour certificate training for law enforcement & first responders If this helped, subscribe, share it with someone on your shift, and leave a review so more first responders can find the support they deserve. DeemedFit: First Responder OwnedWe are a first responder owned company looking to get first responders in the best mental shape.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail The hardest part of getting help often isn’t the therapy—it’s knowing who to trust when everything feels at risk. We sit down with treatment navigator Nikki Mason to open the black box of first responder mental health: how to spot programs that truly understand police, fire, EMS, and dispatch, why families are the first to notice cracks, and what happens when a call for help goes unanswered. Nikki shares a clear rule that guides her work—if she wouldn’t send a loved one, she won’t send a client—and explains how on‑site vetting, consistent follow‑up, and cultural fluency separate real care from marketing. We dig into the stigma that makes substance use easier to admit than trauma, the fear of losing a weapon or job after disclosure, and the outdated responses that taught generations to stay silent. Together we make the case for earlier touchpoints—peer support, wellness visits, and brief counseling framed as stress exposure care—so acute stress doesn’t calcify into chronic PTSD. Families take center stage here: the spouse who sees sleep erode, the adult child who senses withdrawal, the parent who hears the edge in a voice. Nikki lays out practical ways to nudge without cornering, from third‑party introductions to privacy‑respecting consults that lower defenses and build momentum. This conversation is a field guide for anyone navigating help in uniform or at home with someone who is. You’ll learn what questions to ask programs about trauma modalities, co‑occurring care, confidentiality, and return‑to‑work coordination; why answering the phone at the first ring can be life‑saving; and how leaders can normalize support without punishment. If you serve, love someone who serves, or manage a team that does, you’ll walk away with next steps you can take today. To find Nikki Mason, please visit Granite Recovery Centers - Rally Point Program: Detox, residential, PHP/IOP with lodging up in scenic New Hampshire, all in network with insurance Also visit Open Sky - Crisis Intervention Training: 40 hour certificate training for law enforcement & first responders DeemedFit: First Responder OwnedWe are a first responder owned company looking to get first responders in the best mental shape.Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail What do first responders actually need from therapy to make it stick? We unpack fresh survey results from 46 clients and more than 30 first responders to surface what’s working, what’s missing, and the changes we’re rolling out next. From session length and structure to real follow-up and safer groups, this is a candid look at the nuts and bolts of care that moves the needle. We dig into why 60 minutes often isn’t enough and how a 90-minute option creates space to warm up, process, and land with a clear plan. We’re honest about insurance friction and share practical paths forward, including an optional add-on that protects access without cutting depth. You’ll also hear how our first responder group keeps trust high with two hard lines—strict confidentiality and a no-apologies norm—so people can speak plainly about trauma, hypervigilance, substance use, and family strain without fear of gossip or judgment. A big theme is momentum between sessions. Listeners asked for homework, short videos, book recs, and a single “action before next session” to keep progress alive on real shifts like sleep, sobriety, anger, or communication. We share how we’re building lightweight follow-ups that fit busy schedules and how wellness visits, vetted resources, and culturally competent clinicians can make help easier to find and safer to use. We also preview more solo segments by request, upcoming presentations, and a growing network designed to connect police, fire, and EMS with trusted treatment options across Massachusetts. If you care about first responder mental health, you’ll leave with clarity on what changes are coming—longer sessions, stronger follow-up, and a tighter, safer community of support. Listen, share your take, and help shape what rolls out next. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us the one change you want to see first. Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail Stigma keeps too many first responders silent, and silence can cost careers, health, and lives. We sit down with a former deputy sheriff and burnout expert AK Dozanti  to map clear, practical ways leaders and peers can replace fear with trust—without waiting for a crisis to force the issue. From the first honest check-in to a policy that actually protects time for care, we unpack what real support looks like on and off shift. We talk about the gap between leadership and the line, and how to close it with routine, human conversations—quarterly coffee, or even better, side-by-side cruiser rides that make it easier to open up. You’ll hear why “the opposite of depression is expression,” how to speak up safely using unions and peer support, and why building a pre-crisis network is the strongest predictor of bouncing back after critical incidents. We also get candid about therapy: EAPs help, but cultural awareness matters. When clinicians understand shift work, critical incidents, and the code of the job, responders stop giving “safe” answers and start telling the truth. We spotlight two resources built for the field. Beat the Burnout reverse-engineers burnout with stepwise guidance and constant actions you can use even when your brain is crispy. Responder Reset delivers 99 “read-this-when” tactics for moments like wired-but-tired or post-incident spikes—grounding, bilateral stimulation, breathing, and proprioceptive tools explained in plain language with tactical trade-offs. Leaders will learn why embedded clinicians accelerate trust, how annual wellness visits normalize care before it’s urgent, and how to frame mental health in practical, tactical terms that earn buy-in. If you value practical tools over platitudes, this conversation is for you. Listen, share it with your shift, and tell us: what one change would make your department safer to speak up? Subscribe for more candid, field-tested strategies, and leave a review to help other first responders find this show. Visit her website at: www.akdozanti.com Freed.ai: We’ll Do Your SOAP Notes!Freed AI converts conversations into SOAP note.Use code Steve50 for $50 off the 1st month!Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail When a split-second choice could become tomorrow’s headline, how do you stay human under the uniform? We sit down with former deputy sheriff turned coach and author AK Dozanti to unpack the real toll of first responder life—and the science-backed tools that help you heal without losing your edge. AK traces a rare path: undercover ICAC work at 19, road patrol, officer of the year, rapid burnout, then a pivot into victim advocacy, graduate study in criminology and victimology, yoga teacher training, and ultimately a mission to coach police, fire, EMS, and dispatch. She shares how early suicide losses set a hidden baseline for stress, why trauma is a near-universal experience rather than a diagnosis, and how high-velocity calls collide with a nervous system built for survival, not perfection. We break down the biology of stress—adrenaline surges, the brainstem’s grip, and the prefrontal cortex going offline—and show how that clashes with modern expectations: body cams rolling, phones pointed, pristine Miranda, and zero room for error. We also tackle the weight of public narratives: how one viral failure can stain an entire profession, how ambushes and doxxing amplify hypervigilance, and why the “off switch” at home can be the hardest skill of all. AK offers practical, field-tested resets for the nervous system—slow exhale breathing, orienting, grounding through the feet, and micro-recoveries between calls—along with culture shifts leaders can make today: protect days off, normalize precise language around suicide, include dispatch in wellness training, and reward process over speed. The goal isn’t spin; it’s operational readiness and human dignity. If you serve on the front lines or love someone who does, this conversation gives you language, tools, and hope. Subscribe, share with a teammate, and leave a review to help more first responders find what they need. What practice will you try first? Visit her website at: www.akdozanti.com Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail The hardest stories rarely get told in the places that need them most. Susan Roggendorf and I open the door to how confidentiality truly works for police, fire, EMS, dispatchers, and medics—and why airtight boundaries are the backbone of real therapeutic change. No nods in public that out you, no name drops across departments, and no casual mentions that break trust. HIPAA is the law, but it is also a lived ethic that lets you speak freely without risking your reputation or your career. We get candid about the therapist–client relationship: professional, paid, and deeply human. It feels friendly at times because safety grows where pain is met with care. We talk about scheduling like chess to avoid back-to-back clients from the same team, navigating community run-ins, and letting clients choose whether to say hello or keep distance. Culture fit matters—dark humor, blunt talk, and straight answers help first responders feel seen. Sometimes the most therapeutic move is five minutes of sports talk to let your nervous system shift gears before you tackle the call you can’t shake. We dig into vicarious trauma and why “talk to a friend” isn’t enough. Friends can support you; therapists are trained to hear what is unsaid, track patterns over time, and offer clear choices: do you want support or solutions today? That simple question hands back control when so much of the job strips it away. We challenge the quiet shaming of help-seeking and argue for a culture that treats mental health like gear maintenance—nonnegotiable for readiness and longevity. If you’ve wondered whether a therapist will keep your confidence, or how therapy can actually work for your world, you’ll hear real practices that protect privacy and deepen trust. Walk away with language to set boundaries, insight into how clinicians think, and a clearer path to care that respects the badge and the person behind it. To reach Susan, please go to https://psychhub.com/us/provider/susan-roggendorf/1316326036 If this conversation helped, follow the show, share it with your crew, and leave a review so more first responders can find it. Your feedback keeps this work moving. Freed.ai: We’ll Do Your SOAP Notes!Freed AI converts conversations into SOAP note.Use code Steve50 for $50 off the 1st month!Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail Ever been told to “suck it up” after a call that split your world in two? We challenge that script with a grounded, respectful look at how first responders can access care that actually helps. Steve sits down with licensed clinician and podcaster Susan Roggendorf for a candid, unfiltered conversation about culture, stigma, and practical support for police, fire, EMS, dispatch, ER, ICU, NICU, and corrections. We unpack why the tired question “What’s the worst thing you’ve seen?” is not only unhelpful but harmful—and what clinicians should ask instead. Susan shares her background serving LGBTQ clients and first responders, detailing how role-specific stressors shape symptoms: from dispatchers carrying incomplete stories and auditory flashbacks, to EMS haunted by pediatric calls, to ER staff absorbing wave after wave of crisis without pause. Together, we outline a trauma-informed approach that centers consent, pacing, and control, building skills that fit real shifts: brief grounding, tactical breathing, movement that discharges stress, and cognitive resets you can use between calls. This episode also draws a clear map of the first responder circle without watering it down. We talk moral injury, hypervigilance, sleep disruption, and why peer support must be more than a checkbox. You’ll hear podcasting war stories, yes, but also a deeper point: humility and repair are part of resilience, whether in a studio or on a scene. If you’ve ever sat through a therapy session that felt like a TV script, this is your reset. Expect real language, straight answers, and tools you can put to work immediately. To reach Susan, please go to https://psychhub.com/us/provider/susan-roggendorf/1316326036 Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail If you’re the one everyone turns to, you might be carrying more than you realize. We sit down with psychotherapist and mental wellness consultant Leah Marone to unpack the “serial fixer” habit—why it thrives in first responder culture and how it quietly fuels burnout, resentment, and frayed relationships. Leah works extensively with police, fire, EMS, and dispatch, and she brings sharp, compassionate insights you can use today without adding hours to your schedule. We break down the real difference between therapy and consulting, then rebuild the foundation of wellness with small, sustainable practices: bookending your mornings and nights, using micro resets during daily transitions, and reclaiming self-care as single-task presence instead of numbing or multitasking. Leah introduces a practical rule that changes conversations fast—support, don’t solve—along with validation skills that help teammates, partners, and kids think more clearly and take ownership. You’ll hear how the fixer impulse can become “compassion as control,” why quick advice often backfires, and how to replace that urge with grounded presence. Expect concrete tools and memorable metaphors. The internal “balloon” lets you notice pressure before it pops, and that shaken “soda bottle” reminds you to release slowly, not explode. We also cover sleep hygiene as the no‑nonsense cornerstone of recovery, data collection to challenge “dark cloud” thinking, and first responder-ready ways to downshift from high gear without losing your edge. If you want stronger boundaries, steadier energy, and deeper connection, this conversation will help you change your default settings. To reach Leah, here is the link to her work: https://linktr.ee/leahmaronelcsw If this resonates, tap follow, share it with a teammate who needs lighter armor, and leave a quick review so more first responders can find these tools. Your support helps this community stay sharp, safe, and human. Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail In part 2, the calls keep coming, but the solutions don’t. We sit down with crisis clinician and EMDR therapist Morgan Yaskus to trace how a frayed safety net pushes first responders into impossible roles—and how that mismatch breeds moral injury. From long drives to the nearest DMV or ER to midnight discharges with no plan, we map the structural barriers that turn compassion into exhaustion and good intentions into public criticism. Morgan shares what mobile crisis teams can do well—resolving most calls on scene, staying with families after deaths, and offering a humane handoff—and where policy still ties everyone’s hands. We talk about the revolving door of brief psychiatric evaluations, the bureaucratic maze of IDs and benefits, and the social media spotlight that amplifies one bad moment over a hundred quiet saves. Small towns feel this even harder: everyone knows everyone, scanners travel fast, and rumors outrun the facts. We also get practical. Morgan explains how EMDR intensives can speed recovery from single‑incident trauma, why embedded wellness trainings reduce stigma, and how family wellness programs give spouses and kids tools to navigate shift work, hypervigilance, and communication breakdowns. The theme isn’t “do more with less.” It’s “build a system that holds what responders are asked to carry,” with warm handoffs, guaranteed short holds, transport support, and streamlined ID recovery to break the cycle. If you care about first responder mental health, this conversation is a map and a motivator. Listen, share with your team, and send this to someone who thinks burnout is a willpower issue. Then tap follow, leave a quick review to help others find the show, and tell us: what single policy change would make the biggest difference where you live? To contact Morgan, go to her website at www.bewildandrooted.com Freed.ai: We’ll Do Your SOAP Notes!Freed AI converts conversations into SOAP note.Use code Steve50 for $50 off the 1st month!Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast

Send us Fan Mail The toughest calls rarely end when the sirens go quiet. We sat down with Alaska-based counselor Morgan Yaskus to explore how real support for police, fire, EMS, dispatchers, and paramedics takes shape in small communities where everyone knows your truck, your shift, and your business. Morgan spent three years on a nonprofit-led mobile crisis team working alongside first responders through MOUs, navigating scenes that were neither strictly medical nor criminal. That proximity reshaped how debriefs happen, how trust is earned, and why cultural competence matters more than any script. We get honest about the barriers that keep first responders from care: parking outside a therapy office that sits between the firehouse and PD, the risk of being recognized by neighbors, and the thin bench of clinicians who truly “get it.” Morgan breaks down what helpful looks like—clear boundaries, discreet logistics, and a therapist who understands dark humor without pathologizing it. We challenge voyeuristic “worst call” questions and focus instead on regulation, meaning-making, and peer-informed support that fits the tempo of the job. Beyond the room, access and policy loom large. Telehealth opened doors, but interstate licensure compacts and reimbursement rates remain sticking points in places with higher costs of living. We talk ethical realities in rural practice, the trade-offs when conflicts of interest are unavoidable, and the duty to serve when the alternative is no care at all. If you’re a responder, a clinician, or a leader trying to build a healthier department, you’ll leave with practical steps for debriefs, privacy, and finding culturally competent help. If this conversation resonates, follow the show, share it with your team, and join us for Part 2! To reach Morgan, go to www.bewildandrooted.com Freed.ai: We’ll Do Your SOAP Notes!Freed AI converts conversations into SOAP note.Use code Steve50 for $50 off the 1st month!Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the show YouTube Channel For The Podcast