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Circling the Drain

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85 episodes
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English
Date created
2021/06/23
Latest episode
2026/10/06
Average duration
56 min.
Release period
13 days

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A podcast about the period BEFORE you stop getting your period. The concept of a woman "circling the drain" conjures up negative imagery for some, but the origin of this as the name of the podcast has a story. A friend, in her 30's at the time, was listing her ailments to a male physician who clearly had a terrible bedside manner, because he responded to her complaints by shrugging his shoulders in a dismissive fashion and saying something like, "I don't know what to tell you. From now on, you're basically just circling the drain!" Co-hosts Ellie and Julia have been laughing at the audacity of this tone-deaf interaction ever since, and when they decided to start this podcast about the plight of the aging woman, they chose to reclaim and repurpose the phrase in the spirit of humor. Every human on the planet is circling the drain from the moment we are born. The question is, how slowly and gracefully can we spiral? And can we minimize the discomfort while we whirl? Perimenopausal co-hosts Ellie and Julia take a deep dive into the sometimes embarrassing, often hilarious, and always bewildering issues of the hormonal changes that take place in midlife. Through honest accounts, thoughtful interviews, and group panel discussions, their mission is to make you chuckle, make you nod your head in recognition, and hopefully make some scientific progress.

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I Was Definitely a Witch with Dr. Rachel Pope
2026/10/06
Send us Fan Mail October is Menopause Awareness Month, so we’re celebrating the AGECRAFT way: by talking openly about the things nobody bothered to tell us about our changing bodies. This week, Julia sits down with Dr. Rachel Pope, a board-certified OB-GYN and sexual health specialist, for a candid conversation about the gaps that still exist in women’s and sexual healthcare. They talk about cancer survivorship and surgical menopause, genitourinary syndrome of menopause (GSM), changing sexual function and desire, and why so many women assume they’re the only ones experiencing these changes. They also explore the overlap between menopause care and gender-affirming care: hormones, sexual function, pleasure, confidence, agency, and the desire to feel at home in your own body. Plus, Rachel and Julia get into the current enthusiasm around hormone therapy, why swinging from “nobody should take hormones” to “everybody needs hormones” misses a whole lot of nuance, and why science is still playing catch-up when it comes to women’s bodies. Dr. Rachel Pope is Chief of the Female Sexual Health Division at University Hospitals Cleveland Medical Center and part of its Gender Care Program. She is the founder of Our Womanity and co-founder of The Menopause Retreat. And as for why this episode is called I Was Definitely a Witch? You’ll get there. ---------------------------- Our Womanity here.   Buy Love, Sex, and Menopause here. Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
Plot Twists, Space Pirates & the Power of Tenacity With Briana McDonald
2026/09/22
Send us Fan Mail What happens when you stop waiting to have everything figured out before letting yourself be the hero of the story? Julia sits down with author Briana McDonald to talk about writing queer kids into the center of mystery and adventure stories, why girls deserve to do all the cool shit, and what rejection, grief, identity, and uncertainty have taught her about letting go of control. Briana is the author of the middle-grade novels Pepper’s Rules for Secret Sleuthing, The Secrets of Stone Creek, and Galaxy Jones and the Space Pirates, published by Simon & Schuster Books for Young Readers. Plus: one seriously consequential moment of intuition and a bibliomancy reading featuring a surprisingly tenacious little bird. Because sometimes you don’t need to know how the story ends. You just need to keep writing it. ================================= Briana's website here. Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
Oldsters, Young Dudes & Dead People at 3:33 AM with Sari Botton
2026/09/08
Send us Fan Mail What if your career doesn’t peak at 30, 40, or even 50? What if shit really starts popping off at 60? Writer, editor, and Oldster Magazine founder Sari Botton joins me to talk about aging, ambition, gendered ageism, and what happens when the doors stop opening and you decide to build your own damn thing. We get into why every age is worth talking about, the surprising power of intergenerational conversations, making independent creative work financially sustainable, getting hit on by a 27-year-old at 59, and discovering that becoming older does not necessarily mean becoming invisible. Then things get appropriately weird. Sari tells me about being visited by dead people in her dreams—including an uncanny message delivered exactly 12 hours after a friend’s death at 3:33 AM. And in Between the Lines, a little bibliomancy involving an oak tree raises a much bigger question: Is Sari ready to take Oldster to television? A conversation about getting older, getting bolder, and discovering that sometimes the green lights show up later than you expected. ---------------------------------------------- Oldster here. Sari's website here. Read All The Young Dudes here. Read For my 70th Birthday I Hired an Escort here.  Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
Spiritual Work Is WORK With Aly Kravetz (Bronx Witch)
2026/08/25
Send us Fan Mail What happens when you stop treating spiritual work like a calling you’re supposed to suffer for—and start treating it like actual work? This week on AGECRAFT After Dark, I’m talking with Aly Kravetz, AKA Bronx Witch, founder of Witch Work and Better Witch Coaching. Aly has built her work around a message I can very much get behind: spiritual work is WORK, and you should be getting PAID. We talk about why spiritual and wellness practitioners—especially women—struggle to charge for their labor, and Aly offers one of my favorite reframes: instead of trying to figure out what you’re “worth,” figure out what it costs you to show up and do the work. But this conversation goes well beyond business. Aly is approaching 40 in the middle of a major life reinvention, having recently left New York for the U.S. Virgin Islands. We talk about rebirth, leaving a marriage, asking yourself whether you’re actually happy, ancestral practices, herbalism, magic and manifestation, and why neither of us feels particularly obligated to convince skeptics that witchcraft is real. We also dig into why Aly chose the name BetterWitch—because “best” implies you’ve arrived, while better leaves room to keep learning, changing, and becoming. It’s a conversation about money, magic, identity, agency, and building a life—and a livelihood—that actually reflects who you’re becoming. ---------------------------------------------- Bronx Witch website here. Better Witch YouTube here. Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
SURPRISE EPISODE: Finding Real Perimenopause Care
2026/08/18
Send us Fan Mail A little surprise in your AGECRAFT After Dark feed. This time, I’m not asking the questions. I recently joined Dr. Rachel Pope on Our Womanity to talk about what it’s actually like to navigate perimenopause when the healthcare system isn’t particularly good at recognizing—or treating—it. We get into my own perimenopause story (including the grocery-store hot flash that made me think I was dying), being repeatedly told I was “fine,” why regular periods don’t mean you’re not in perimenopause, and the exhausting amount of self-advocacy often required to get appropriate care. We also talk about the bigger problem: gaps in menopause education for healthcare providers, insurance and access, the rise of private and telehealth care, and the increasingly complicated job of separating genuinely helpful resources from people trying to sell vulnerable patients another supplement, test, treatment, or doodad. And we get into something central to my work now: validate, educate, advocate. Because people shouldn’t have to become amateur medical researchers just to get someone to listen to them. Also? Being the guest is delightful. No research. No interview prep. No questions to write. I just showed up and talked. Highly recommend. Originally recorded for Our Womanity with Dr. Kameelah Phillips Pope and shared here as a special AGECRAFT After Dark feed drop. CRAFT THE LIFE YOU WANT Visit the Our Womanity website to hear more episodes here.  For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
Leaving the Light On -Grief, ghosts, animal companions, and the sacred work of helping others cross the threshold with Grey Liefer
2026/08/11
Send us Fan Mail This week, I’m joined by death doula Grey Liefer for a deeply compassionate conversation about grief, dementia, end-of-life care, and what it means to help someone feel safe when the world no longer does. Grey shares how early loss shaped their understanding of mortality, why grief asks us to stop striving for “better” and aim for neutrality instead, and how improvisation can become an unexpectedly powerful tool for caring for someone with dementia. We also discuss the unique end-of-life concerns facing queer and trans people, the practical importance of getting your paperwork in order, and the sacred bond between people and their animal companions. And because this is AGECRAFT After Dark, there’s also a haunted childhood bedroom, a mysterious light left on, and the possibility that not every ghost is trying to scare us. Some may simply be helping us find our way home. So light a candle, make a note of where you keep your important papers, and settle in. This one’s about mortality, meaning, and learning how to live more fully while we’re still here. Grey's website here.     Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
Break Your Face, Build an Empire – Seizures and Second Acts, With Alisa Kennedy Jones
2026/07/28
Send us Fan Mail Bestselling author. Brand strategist. Publisher. Founder of Empress Editions. Survivor of 14 facial surgeries and one extremely rude grocery store floor.  Alisa Kennedy Jones does not do anything halfway, and in this episode she explains why midlife women — who control 85% of household spending and keep being told their voices are "old" — are the most underestimated force in publishing and this economy, if we’re being honest. We cover: postmenopausal bliss (yes, really), the salary cliff nobody warns women about, banned-book drama, AI reader companions, taco-truck healthcare activism, and a ghost story involving a Victorian home and a child who was somehow in two places at once. Visibility is activism. This episode is proof. Empress website here.     Empress Substack here. Gotham Girl Substack here Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
Zero Ukuleles to Three Ukuleles with Jen Kwok
2026/07/14
Send us Fan Mail What if midlife isn’t about reinventing yourself? What if it’s about finally becoming the person you were all along? In this episode, I sit down with writer, musician, actor, comedian, and multi-hyphenate Jen Kwok to talk about creativity, caregiving, intuition, visibility, and the strange process of reclaiming the parts of ourselves we were taught to tone down. We explore why sensitivity might actually be a superpower, how to hold the mundane and the magical at the same time, and why adulthood often feels like an endless stream of administrative tasks interrupting your actual life. Plus: energetic hygiene, neurodivergence, comedy as survival, and a wonderfully weird story involving three ukuleles, a keytar, and what may be the universe’s most specific form of communication. Jen's website here.     Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
Hip Cat Fascist: The Best Band Name You'll Never Hear With Mike Dressel
2026/06/30
Send us Fan Mail This week I sat down with my oldest, most annoyingly-always-right friend, Mike Dressel — writer, plant dad, t-shirt auteur, and the reason I've seen approximately 400 things I wouldn't have otherwise seen. (He's almost always right. It's exhausting.) The man also accidentally coined what is objectively the greatest band name of all time, which you'll have to listen to find out — but I promise it involves a cat, a bad hip, and the creeping wave of fascism.  So, ya know. Relatable. We go everywhere: the disillusionment-to-essayist pipeline, why Gen X had the best music and also kind of raised itself on caffeine and neglect, what gay culture is finally leaving behind (and what it stubbornly won't), and why Mike is now, definitionally, a rave widow. We talk mental health, SSRIs, the specific shame of listening to Ryan Adams alone in your house, David Lynch on acid, and the mystifying persistence of algorithm pop stars who Mike is convinced are not real people. We also do Bibliomancy, which tells Mike his style evolution will be nothing short of messianic. Skinny jeans, apparently, are back. Candles optional. Bwain pills recommended. Mike's website here.     Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
Touch, Trans-Affirming Movement, and Pilates for the Revolution With Sofia Engelman
2026/06/16
Send us Fan Mail You know that thing where a fitness instructor grabs your knee without asking? Yeah, we're done with that. Sofia Engelman — owner of Brooklyn's Queer Body Pilates and genuinely one of the most thoughtful humans working in movement today — joins me to talk about what consent actually looks like in a Pilates class, why the word "burn" is doing a lot of dirty work in so-called body-positive spaces, and how cueing into the posterior chain can quietly sidestep a whole lot of dysphoria. We get into trans-affirming movement, supporting clients through gender-affirming surgery, Sofia's upcoming book Pilates for the Revolution, and why your language IS your politics whether you meant it to be or not. Also: haunted speaker systems, leather jacket divination, and why I — a Gen Xer who got hit as a kid — am still unlearning a lot. Sofia is 28, deeply wise, and I'm taking notes. You should too. Sofia's website here.     Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
If You Can't Find It, Make It With Lasara Firefox Allen
2026/06/02
Send us Fan Mail Surprise! The menopause industrial complex would like to pretend queer people don't go through menopause. So author, witch, activist, and certified gap-closer Lasara Firefox Allen did what any reasonable neurodivergent genderqueer person would do — if you can't find it, make it. They wrote the book, built the course, started the cohort, and showed up on this podcast to talk about all of it. In this episode, Lasara and I get into why your gyno's eyes glaze over the second you say "they/them," what perimenopause anxiety actually is (spoiler: it might be your future self screaming at you to get your life together), why loneliness in old age is somehow deadlier than a pack-a-day habit, and how jasmine flowers are apparently the universe's answer to everything. Grief rituals! Jailbroken goddesses! Intergenerational co-mentorship in the Netherlands! It's a lot. In the best way. Lasara's Linktree here.     To join the Magpie Circle workshop, click here.   Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
Get Some Bad B*tches With Genevieve Manion
2026/05/19
Send us Fan Mail What do haunted linen, Victorian hair art, and the courage to blow up your entire life have in common? This episode, that's what. Julia is joined by Genevieve Manion — amateur Victorian historian, actual witch, host of My Victorian Nightmare, and we have extremely strong opinions about where dead people's hair does and does not belong. Spoiler: not in your sweater. Not in your cardigan. A locket is fine. A wreath on the wall is pushing it. We move on. What starts as a deep dive into all things Victorian gets gloriously derailed into one of the most honest conversations we've had on this show about midlife reinvention, losing your voice in a bad marriage, and what it actually looks like to crawl out the other side and build something beautiful from scratch. Also covered: perimenopause at 3am, the mascara incident that still haunts us, why your ancestry is the only witchcraft tradition you actually need, Keanu Reeves' truly unfortunate British accent, and a pregnancy superpower that cannot be explained by science. Plus bibliomancy, a firm position on not being dug up after death, and the single most important thing you can do for yourself in midlife that has nothing to do with skincare. Get some bad b*tches. The Victorians would have wanted it that way. Check out My Victorian Nightmare here.   Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
A Murder of Crows With Mark Price
2026/05/05
Send us Fan Mail Mark Price is back, and we’re talking about everything from nervous system regulation to identity unraveling to why doing less might actually be the most radical thing you can do right now. We cover somatic work, Vedic meditation, the art of not spiraling during a stressful email exchange, and how to reclaim your time, attention, and sanity from systems that profit off your dysregulation. Plus: spontaneous joy, witchy-adjacent bird encounters, and a bibliomancy moment that delivers exactly the level of existential clarity you didn’t know you needed. Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   To learn more about Mark, click here  For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
Huzzah to All the Boyz With Jason Moyer
2026/04/21
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, I’m joined by my dear friend and esthetician Jason Moyer for a conversation about midlife reinvention, non-binary identity, and what happens when your creative self kicks the door back open and says, “hi, remember me?” We get into turning 50 and somehow feeling more like yourself, the magical world of smut, good sleep, and nice d*cks, and why liberation makes some people deeply uncomfortable. And of course, we spiral (joyfully) into a deep dive on Heated Rivalry.   To join my Spring Reset workshop, click here.   Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   To learn more about Jason, click here  For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.
My Gender Identity is Overalls With Zoe Bean
2026/04/07
Send us Fan Mail Today’s guest is Zoë Bean, tattooer, artist, and general curator of beautiful oddities in South Orange, New Jersey. She co-owns Keepsake Studios and Keepsake Collectables with her partner, Sweetie, blending tattoos, antiques, and pressed botanicals into something entirely her own. She’s also the artist behind my alligator-and-bird back piece. We talk about our Baba Yaga vibes, the pros and cons of overalls, the liminal space of pain, and ask the question, what exactly is girl cold. Leave a message through the Speaker Box. Share an observation about getting older, identity shifts, health, or whatever strange realization has been keeping you up at night — or ask me a question you’d like answered on the show. Keep it short, and your message may be played on the AGECRAFT After Dark Podcast! Leave your message for the Speaker Box here. Watch this episode on YouTube here.   To learn more about Zoe, you can find her here. For more AGECRAFT content, join the Substack here.  To work with Julia and/or learn more about her, go here.   CBDMD website here. Use code julia_g_wellness to get 15% off  Episode Sponsor Be one of the helpers! SUBSCRIBE to this podcast on APPLE PODCASTS or SPOTIFY and leave us a review on APPLE PODCASTS.

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5 out of 5
60 reviews
★★★★★
SilvieSF 2024/01/10
Omg - I love this podcast so much!
It has humor and hormonal education all in one! Love it!
★★★★★
Jamie_HomoMeno 2023/07/19
Hilarious, informative
Turn to them as you would to your best friends, and laugh together at the inevitable changes that come along with peri and menopause. It’s easy to ge...
★★★★★
Nkatelynn 2023/06/07
Interesting, informative, and—best of all—entertaining
As someone who is always on the lookout for thought-provoking content, I cannot recommend this podcast enough. Ellie and Julie's candid conversations ...
★★★★★
JasonN1324 2023/03/17
Informative and funny
It’s rare when a podcast about serious subjects can be funny, informative and entertaining. Circling the Drain manages to do all three. Click that sub...
★★★★★
MorganBAdams 2023/02/24
Great topics!
Julia and Ellie are such inquisitive and engaging podcast hosts! The topics they share are so relevant to women in midlife.
★★★★★
TeeMoFurr 2023/02/20
Finally!!!
This show has SO many helpful resources for us oft. Forgotten ladies as we navigate this next phase in our life. Its high time we normalized the discu...
★★★★★
JazzistaNYC 2022/10/10
Funny and seriously informative!
If you are a woman, you need this info. If you are a human, you need those laughs.
★★★★★
TechGirlNYC 2022/10/09
Love this podcast!
This was such an incredible conversation to have with Ellie and Julia. I love listening and I loved taking part in this important discussion and deep ...
★★★★★
Ali Kelly Whalen 2022/08/17
The best
Best podcast I’ve ever been lucky enough to stumble across. Perimenopause is no joke and there is virtually no discussion, treatment or even acknowled...
★★★★★
njbananahead 2022/08/03
So informative and funny
I love these ladies so much. I have been so dismissed during my peri menopause journey. To have these ladies validate my feelings and give me great in...
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