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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 12: Season 4 Wrap-Up   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) wrap up season 4 by reviewing their words of the year for 2024 and 2025, renewed invitations for unmasking while recording, re-commitments to anti-oppression, and season 5 coming in 2026!   Content Warning: Mention of the multiple genocides occurring globally   Trigger Warnings: None for this episode   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-12-season-4-wrap-up/#captions   A few highlights: 2:06: Chavonne and Jenn discuss their words for 2024 and 2025 3:22: Jenn and Chavonne share how these words have shown up in their lives and the podcast 10:41: Chavonne and Jenn discuss cultural shifts in embodiment, including a re-commitment to anti-oppressive direction   Links from this episode: Imani Barbarin Intersectionality Matrix of Domination Morgan Harper Nichols Neurodivergence Nicola Haggett Dr. Rachel Fox     Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 11: Nikki Haggett   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Nikki Haggett (they/she) in a deep dive about relating across difference, murmuration as metaphor, and a sacred unmasking.   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally,discussion of fascism, mention of childhood sexual abuse   Trigger Warnings: None for this episode   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-11-nikki-haggett/#captions   A few highlights: 12:37: Nikki discusses the idea of embodiment while recognizing our own neurodivergence 30:05: Nikki discusses how training to be a Gestalt therapist is impacting their own embodiment 1:20:56: Nikki shares help she helps clients them notice how to stay embodied or even purposefully disembodied 1:33:59: Nikki discusses what’s next for them   Links from this episode: Ableism Adam Wolfond Autism Autistic Masking Bodymind Co-regulation Exteroception Gestalt Therapy Interoception Dr. Margaret Price Murmuration Sanism The Telepathy Tapes Window of Regulation   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs.com BlueSky: EmbodimentRestOfUs Instagram: @EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 10: Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD (she/her) about her embodiment journey! Specifically we talk about having a clinically fat ass and passion projects (aka the dissertation Doctor Fox just defended last Tuesday!!!)   Dr. Rachel Fox is an Assistant Professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at Grand Valley State University. She is also a Kroner Family Fellow, Judith and Neil Morgan Fellow, and UC President's Dissertation Year Fellow in the Communication Department, Science Studies Program, and Critical Gender Studies Graduate Specialization at UC San Diego. Her dissertation will be available as an open access document in 1 or 2 months from this episode’s publication. She holds a BA in Biology from Wesleyan University, an MS in Narrative Medicine from Columbia University, and an MA in Communication from UC San Diego. Her research has been published in the Fat Studies Journal, Women’s Studies: An Interdisciplinary Journal, and the Journal of Applied Social Psychology. In 2021, she joined the Centre for Fat Liberation and Scholarship as an Inaugural Junior Fellow. Her research critically examines how anti-obesity efforts drive anti-fatness in the US and how the field of weight stigma research perpetuates anti-fatness through its refusal to divest from an anti-obesity agenda.   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs), discussion of ABA (Applied Behavior Analysis)   Trigger Warnings:  This episode uses the word “obesity” throughout without being bleeped.   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-10-doctor-rachel-fox/#captions   A few highlights: 10:03: Rachel shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges 18:35: Rachel discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her 27:07: Rachel shares her passion project and how it has affected her own embodiment 1:31:21: Rachel discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation 1:35:17: Rachel shares where to be found and what’s next for her   Links from this episode: Autism Blakeley H. Payne The Body is Not An Apology (Book) The Body is Not An Apology (IG) Decolonizing Therapy Mikey Mercedes Monica Kriete Neurodivergence OCD Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA) Public Health’s Power-Neutral, Fatphobic Obsession with “Food Deserts” Rowan Hildebrand-Chupp Sonya Renee Taylor Weight Stigma Conference   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 9: Rachel Fox   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Rachel Fox (she/her) about her embodiment journey   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs)   Trigger Warnings:  This episode will use the word obesity throughout without being bleeped.   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-9-rachel-fox/#captions   A few highlights: 14:00: Rachel shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey 20:44: Rachel names her privileges and marginalizations 42:11: Rachel discusses how the pandemic has affected her embodiment practices 1:26:24: Rachel shares where to be found and what’s next for her   Links from this episode: ADHD Against Progress Autism Blakeley H. Payne Dr. Caleb Luna The Fantasy of Being Thin Hegemonic Futurity Heavy: An American Memoir Dr. Kate Harding Kiese Laymon Kyriarchy Mikey Mercedes Monica Kriete Neurodivergence Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA) Positionality Rachel Fox Relative Fat vs. Absolute Fat Reproductive Futurity Rowan Hildebrand-Chupp Settler Colonialism Tiana Dodson   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus  

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 8: Third and Final Deep Dive (this season hehe) with Lindley Ashline   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for the final of a three-part deep dive about embodiment   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of current politics   Trigger Warnings:  None for this episode   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-8-lindley-ashline/#captions   A few highlights: 22:36: Lindley discusses her thin privilege series on social media 38:09: Lindley shares her boundaries when doing social media work   Links from this episode: Autism Jes Baker Bri Campos Lindley’s Master List of Resources Megan Jayne Crabbe Fearing the Black Body Rahaeli Sonya Renee Taylor   Accounts that Highlight the Intersection of Fatness and Disability Imani Barbarin - https://www.instagram.com/crutches_and_spice/ Val - https://www.instagram.com/val_and.co/ J Aprileo - https://www.instagram.com/jayaprileo/ Corissa sometimes talks about disability - https://www.instagram.com/fatgirlflow/ Shilo George - https://www.instagram.com/shilogeorge/ FLARE - https://www.flareproject.org/ Sarah - https://www.instagram.com/fromsarahlex/  https://www.instagram.com/fatdisabledworthy/ ← project by Sarah (prior link) Clarkisha - https://www.instagram.com/clarkishakent/ (writer often featuring the particular intersection of disability and fatness) Dan - https://x.com/notdanhastings Sydneysky G. - https://www.instagram.com/syddskyy/ Adrie Rose - https://www.instagram.com/adrierising/ Sami Schalk - https://www.instagram.com/fierceblackfemme Jervae - https://www.instagram.com/jervae Vinny - https://www.instagram.com/fierce.fatty Sonny Jane Wise - https://www.instagram.com/livedexperienceeducator/ Angel Austin - https://www.instagram.com/sacredspaceforfatbodies/ Leah - https://www.instagram.com/fativism/ https://www.instagram.com/disabilitydecember/ ← yearly reading challenge Mikey - https://www.instagram.com/fatmarquisele Tigress - https://www.instagram.com/iofthetigress/  Dr Whitney Trotter - https://www.instagram.com/whitneytrotter.rd/    Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus  

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 7: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline   Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia   Trigger Warnings:  1:14:57: Jenn mentions a fatness category that might be triggering   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-7-lindley-ashline/#captions   A few highlights: 3:49: Lindley shares the pond as a metaphor for embodiment 41:47: Lindley discusses the Body Liberation Blanket Fort 1:12:03: Lindley shares how disability as a framework feels related to embodiment conversations   Links from this episode: ADHD Autism Corrisa Enneking Diabetes Dr. Shai-Akil McLean Fat Woman with Surgery Scar Stock Photo Fatness Spectrum FLARE Project Imani Barbarin Intersectionality: Key Concepts J Aprileo Kimberle Crenshaw The Matrix of Domination Models of Disability Neurodivergence Nicola Haggett Nicola Haggett’s Embodiment Journey Shilo George   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 6: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline   Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.   Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia   Trigger Warnings:  44:33: Lindley mentions death threats    The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-6-lindley-ashline/#captions   A few highlights: 5:43: Lindley shares embodiment as conversation and/or partnership with our bodies 35:45: Lindley discusses “capitalist mythology” in the average body positivity/liberation conversation 1:45:13: Lindley shares the idea of embodiment as a practice of depth and clarity   Links from this episode: ADHD Alan Levinovitz Autism Blue Sky Fearing the Black Body Harm Reduction Jes Baker KC Davis Neathery Falchuk Neurodivergence Roxane Gay The 11 Reasons Why People Hate Fat People White Supremacy Culture   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus  

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 5: Deep Dive with Michelle Phillips   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Michelle Phillips (they/them/we) for a deep dive about attending and attuning to the body, unconscious contracts with the systems that affect us, and loving accountability.   Content Warning: discussion of intentional weight loss, discussion of multiple genocides taking place at this time   Trigger Warnings: None in this episode   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-5-michelle-phillips/#captions   A few highlights: 8:53: Michelle discusses the simplicities and complexities (equally) of embodiment as we go about our daily lives Links from this episode: Neurodivergence Polyvagal Theory Vagus Nerve   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus  

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 4: Imani Barbarin   Chavonne (she/her), Jenn (she/they), and Maya (she/her)  interviewed Imani (she/her/hers) about her embodiment journey.   Imani Barbarin is a disability rights and inclusion activist and speaker who uses her voice and social media platforms to create conversations engaging the disability community. Born with cerebral palsy, Imani often writes and uses her platform to speak from the perspective of a disabled Black woman. In the last few years she has created over a dozen trending hashtags that allow disabled folk the opportunity to have their perspectives heard while forcing the world to take notice. #PatientsAreNotFaking, #ThingsDisabledPeopleKnow, #AbledsAreWeird and others each provide a window into disabled life while forming community. Imani is from the Philadelphia area and holds a Masters in Global Communications from the American University of Paris, her published works include those in Forbes, Rewire, Healthline, BitchMedia and more. She runs the blog CrutchesAndSpice.com and a podcast of the same name.   Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of medicalized racism, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues, mentions of ableism, mentions of suicide, discussion of ageism   Trigger Warnings: 58:30: Imani discusses weight loss surgery and eating disorders   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-4-imani-barbarin/#captions   A few highlights: 4:47: Imani shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey 19:40: Imani discusses how the pandemic has affected her embodiment practices  47:22: Imani shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges 59:33: Imani discusses her work with social media misinformation/disinformation and disability advocacy 1:14:11: Imanin shares how her embodiment around phobias and -isms 1:16:51: Imani discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation 1:24:24: Imani shares where to be found and what’s next for her   Links from this episode: Ableism American with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA) Autism Harriet Tubman Collective Iron Lung Movement for Black Lives Multiple Models of Disability PA Act 77 The Protest Psychosis Runaway Slave Syndrome   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus  

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 3: Niyera Hewlett   Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Niyera (they/them) about their embodiment journey.   Niyera (they/them) is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor in New Mexico and North Carolina who supervises counseling students, social work students, and licensed associates. They founded a queer and neurodivergent affirming mental health agency in Albuquerque that can be found at: youmeandtherapy.com. They work from an anti-oppressive, relational lens that helps inform how they approach supervision and therapy. They specialize in working with marginalized communities, complex trauma, dissociation, and much more. They are a trans non-binary neurodivergent human of Middle Eastern descent, raised by an immigrant mother. They reside in New Mexico with their spouse, two children, and three cats. In their spare time, they spend a lot of time imagining and writing fantasy stories as a special interest.    Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues   Trigger Warnings: 53:24: Chavonne uses “crazy” in a way that is ableist.   The captions for this episode can be found at   A few highlights: 3:54: Niyera shares their understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey 9:28: Niyera discusses how the pandemic affected their embodiment practices  28:14: Niyera shares their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges 31:42: Niyera discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her 42:55: Niyera shares how their own work and supporting clients has changed and challenged their relationship with their own embodiment  1:00:47: Niyera discusses their experience learning and unlearning while calling out what is oppressive in our systems 1:13:50: Niyera discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation 1:21:29: Niyera shares where to be found and what’s next for them   Links from this episode: Ableism Ample and Rooted Autism Binocular Vision Dysfunction Depersonalization Derealization Neurodivergence Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA) Reflective Supervision   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus  

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 2: Deep Dive with Tiana Dodson   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Tiana Dodson (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment and children.   Content Warning: discussion of sexuality   Trigger Warnings: 1:45:30: Tiana uses “insane” in a way that is ableist   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-2-tiana-dodson/#captions   A few highlights: 7:06: Tiana discusses how children are embodiment teachers 59:32: Tiana shares how capacity and capability are distinct parts of embodiment 1:19:36: Tiana discusses creating and fostering foster relationships of liberation 1:37:00: Tiana shares what she’s doing next  Links from this episode: ADHD Autism Being You: A First Conversation about Gender In This Body: Finding Liberation Virtual Conference Liberation is a Relationship Love Notes For A New Year The Nap Ministry Neurodivergence Other People Are In The Way of Your Liberation RAADS-R Reclaiming Ugly Rest is Resistance Sex Positive Families We Make the Path Yes: Your Empowered Sexuality   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 1: Season 4 Intro Episode   Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) introduce Season 4!   Content Warning: None in this episode Trigger Warnings: None in this episode   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-1-season-4-intro/#captions   A few highlights: 2:02: Jenn and Chavonne share their words for 2024  20:27: Chavonne and Jenn discuss exploring disability and neurodiversity in Season 4  32:46: Jenn and Chavonne discuss their commitment to justice and liberation related to the most marginalized humans and bodies in the world    Links from this episode: How To Keep House While Drowning Imani Barbarin Morgan Harper Nichols IG Post   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 13: Wrap Up Episode   Jenn (she/her) and Chavonne (she/her) wrap up Season 3!   Content Warning: None in this episode Trigger Warnings: None in this episode   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-13-season-3-wrap-up-episode/#captions   A few highlights: 2:13: Jenn and Chavonne discuss how processing and practicing rest changed and challenged them in 2023 13:14: Chavonne and Jenn discuss capability vs. capacity in their personal and professional lives 23:39: Jenn and Chavonne discuss what they’re looking forward to next year for the podcast   Links from this episode: Love Jenni K Mikey Mercedes Neurodivergence Whitney Trotter Whole Self Counseling   Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus  

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 12: Lisa Daughters and Fawn McCool   Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Lisa Daughters (she/her) and Fawn McCool (she/her) about their embodiment journeys.   Lisa Daughters (she/her) is a HAES-aligned fat-positive, LGBTQIA+ allied, social justice informed Expressive Arts Therapist. She works with fat folx, LGBTQIA+ community, grief/loss, fertility struggles and pregnancy loss, relationship challenges, family dynamics - these are all near and dear to her. She has been serving clients as a professional counselor for 12 years, working with a variety of settings and concerns. She works from a person-centered approach, using humor, mindfulness, and acceptance as tools of healing and transformation. She believes in the need to broaden our view from seeing individual struggles as collective, moving towards solutions that foster interdependence and equity. She approaches counseling as a co-creation, and considers her role to be an insightful companion through the process. She trusts the inherent wholeness of each individual. I have specific training in Expressive Arts Therapy, which utilizes art-making as therapeutic.  Lisa is strongly anti-diet and diet-culture. She is involved in the fat liberation movement. And it's impossible to talk about body politics without talking about racism, misogyny, and ableism. She is anti-capitalist, and anti-racist. She loves animals and spent years before becoming a therapist working with animals. She believes current social and economic structures have stripped our sense of community and our emotional experiences have been villainized and pathologized to the point that mental health is a growing challenge. She thinks it's a disservice to focus only on individual health without also addressing community. She does not believe in the paternalistic dynamic that she has seen in the mental health world, and she thinks to do my work well she has to be continually learning. * Fawn McCool (she/her pronouns), is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with a private practice based in Portland, Oregon. Her therapeutic approach is warm, nurturing, collaborative, engaged, and nerdy. She loves brain science so there MIGHT be some mention of neural plasticity or blaming of neural pathways along the way. She will shame the patriarchy, never you. As an LCSW, she has worked in a variety of settings providing skilled trauma-informed services to families, women and children. She offers clinical therapeutic services in Tigard, OR and enjoys working with a wide variety of issues including but not limited to: trauma, depression, anxiety, OCD, ADHD, perinatal/postpartum mood and anxiety disorders, infant loss, and fertility issues . She received her Masters of Social Work degree at California State University, Los Angeles in 2006. Her professional credentials include certification in Interpersonal Neurobiology through Portland State University and is Ample & Rooted trained. Additionally, she has had the honor of presenting at several professional conferences focused on Neonatal Intensive Care Unit experiences, neuroscience & birth trauma, and behavioral health counseling in school based health centers. She is an anti-racist, LGBTQ+ affirming, and HAES provider.    Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues 40:28-53:29: Chavonne’s audio goes a bit wonky   Trigger Warnings:  34:22: Fawn mentions Noom and Ozempic 49:42: Lisa uses the words “crazy” and “nutty” in a way that is ableist   The captions for this episode can be found at  https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-12-lisa-daughters-and-fawn-mccool/#captions   A few highlights: 7:08: Lisa and Fawn share their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges. They also discuss how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for them. 1:01:15: Fawn and Lisa discuss how supporting clients has changed and challenged their own relationships with their embodiment 1:46:47: Lisa and Fawn discuss how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation 1:57:48: Fawn and Lisa share where to be found and what’s next for them     Links from this episode: Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents Dr. Dan Siegel Neurodivergence Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA) Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus  

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 11: Fawn McCool and Lisa Daughters   Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Fawn McCool (she/her) and Lisa Daughters (she/her) about their embodiment journeys.   Fawn McCool (she/her pronouns), is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with a private practice based in Portland, Oregon. Her therapeutic approach is warm, nurturing, collaborative, engaged, and nerdy. She loves brain science so there MIGHT be some mention of neural plasticity or blaming of neural pathways along the way. She will shame the patriarchy, never you. As an LCSW, she has worked in a variety of settings providing skilled trauma-informed services to families, women and children. She offers clinical therapeutic services in Tigard, OR and enjoys working with a wide variety of issues including but not limited to: trauma, depression, anxiety, OCD, ADHD, perinatal/postpartum mood and anxiety disorders, infant loss, and fertility issues. She received her Masters of Social Work degree at California State University, Los Angeles in 2006. Her professional credentials include certification in Interpersonal Neurobiology through Portland State University and is Ample & Rooted trained. Additionally, she has had the honor of presenting at several professional conferences focused on Neonatal Intensive Care Unit experiences, neuroscience & birth trauma, and behavioral health counseling in school based health centers. She is an anti-racist, LGBTQ+ affirming, and HAES provider.    *   Lisa Daughters (she/her) is a HAES-aligned fat-positive, LGBTQIA+ allied, social justice informed Expressive Arts Therapist. She works with fat folx, LGBTQIA+ community, grief/loss, fertility struggles and pregnancy loss, relationship challenges, family dynamics - these are all near and dear to her. She has been serving clients as a professional counselor for 12 years, working with a variety of settings and concerns. She works from a person-centered approach, using humor, mindfulness, and acceptance as tools of healing and transformation. She believes in the need to broaden our view from seeing individual struggles as collective, moving towards solutions that foster interdependence and equity. She approaches counseling as a co-creation, and considers her role to be an insightful companion through the process. She trusts the inherent wholeness of each individual. I have specific training in Expressive Arts Therapy, which utilizes art-making as therapeutic.  Lisa is strongly anti-diet and diet-culture. She is involved in the fat liberation movement. And it's impossible to talk about body politics without talking about racism, misogyny, and ableism. She is anti-capitalist, and anti-racist. She loves animals and spent years before becoming a therapist working with animals. She believes current social and economic structures have stripped our sense of community and our emotional experiences have been villainized and pathologized to the point that mental health is a growing challenge. She thinks it's a disservice to focus only on individual health without also addressing community. She does not believe in the paternalistic dynamic that she has seen in the mental health world, and she thinks to do my work well she has to be continually learning.   Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues   Trigger Warnings:  39:23: Lisa discusses getting bariatric surgery   The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-11-fawn-mccool-and-lisa-daughters/#captions   A few highlights: 15:05: Fawn and Lisa shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journeys 1:07:56: Fawn and Lisa discuss how the pandemic has affected their embodiment practices    Links from this episode: All Cats Are On The Autism Spectrum All Dogs Have ADHD Bibliotherapy Brianne Benness Depersonalization Derealization Dr. Dan Siegel Executive Functioning The Family Experience of PDA Girls on the Run Kymber Stephenson Neurodivergence Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA) Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons​)​, Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License   Please follow us on social media: Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com Twitter: @embodimentus Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus