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Flipping The Industry

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72 episodes
Language
English
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No
Date created
2021/11/20
Latest episode
2026/08/28
Average duration
26 min.
Release period
15 days

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Welcome to the official IBE® podcast. McKenzie Turley, the founder of Invisible Bead Extensions, was the first one to introduce a beadless extension flip up to the industry. McKenzie is flipping this industry upside down with co-host Jasmine Hadjis, CEO of Invisible Bead Extensions® | Flipping The Industry podcast is a collection of conversation with the industry's most outstanding extension stylists, discussions of the best kept business strategy secrets, authentic hairstylist truths and motivational chats to help you redefine success behind the chair.

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What IBE®️ will never be
2026/08/28
Most brands will tell you what they stand for. Fewer will tell you what they've turned down. McKenzie and Jasmine sit down to name the things IBE® has said no to — repeatedly, deliberately, and sometimes at a cost — and why those refusals are the clearest picture of what the brand actually is.This is a conversation about conviction over convenience. About what happens when you're offered an easier, faster, more profitable path and decline it because it wouldn't serve the stylist or the client on the other end of the chair.In this episode: Why IBE® teaches one method and will never add another — even with stylists actively requesting itThe pendulum between specialist and do-it-all, and why specialists consistently pull aheadThe conversations behind closed doors about offering video-only or weekend certification — and why the answer was noWhy an experienced stylist goes through the exact same step-by-step process as someone who's never picked up a needleHow the certification is built for retention, not speed, and what that intentionally costsWhy the method was designed with the client's comfort and scalp health in mind first, not the photoWhat "post-certification support" actually means at IBE® — and why the term undersells itHow membership dollars are converted directly into ad spend that drives clients to the stylist locatorThe traffic numbers behind the locator and where McKenzie wants them to go nextPermission to stop chasing what the salon down the street is doingLearn it, shop it, wear it at invisiblebeadextensions.com.
Where Your Hair Actually Comes From
2026/08/14
Single donor. Ethically sourced. Cuticle aligned. Double drawn. These terms get printed on packaging and repeated in captions across the entire extension industry, and most of the people saying them have never asked where they came from or whether they're true.McKenzie has. She's flown to China, sat in factories, demanded documentation for every step of the sourcing process, and softened her stance on the companies making claims they can't back up, not because the claims are accurate, but because she's realized most of them genuinely don't know either. In this episode, she and Jasmine take apart the language of hair sourcing piece by piece, and explain what actually matters for the client sitting in your chair.In this episode: Why "single donor" is real for some extension types and essentially impossible for wefts; and why that's not the problem you think it isWhat ethically sourced means when you can prove it, and why the proof stays proprietaryRemy, cuticle aligned, and cuticle intact; what each one actually describes, and what happens to hair that's been through an acid bathThe 6-to-8-week shift that reveals what you really boughtDouble drawn vs. "pre-layered": how a weft can hit the right weight and the right length claim while hiding most of its density in the top five inchesThe pricing lever any brand can pull to quietly cut costs without changing what's on the label; and why IBE® won't touch itWhy McKenzie would rather be out of stock than accept hair that isn't 100% finishedIf you sell it, you have a moral responsibility to understand it. This one's for the stylists who want to answer their clients' questions honestly.Learn it, shop it, wear it at invisiblebeadextensions.com.
Texture is the New Color Match
2026/07/31
What happens when a client wears her natural texture for the first time in her life — because of her extensions?McKenzie and Jasmine get into why shop IBE carries the texture range it does, and why that decision started years before the industry caught up. From early curly sourcing in 2021 to the factory samples McKenzie flat-out rejected, this is the behind-the-scenes of building a multi-textured line and the consultation shift that comes with it.They also go deep on the part most people underestimate: product. Because a seamless texture match is only half the job. The other half is teaching a client how to actually care for hair she's never worn in its natural state.In this episode: Why the industry conversation moved from "how many colors do you have?" to "what textures do you carry?", and why color can be customized in your chair, but texture can'tThe early days of sourcing curly hair, and what it took to get factories to meet IBE standardsHow the post-2020 shift toward natural hair changed what clients are asking forThe one word to remember when working with texture: moisture — and why product volume has to scale with every level of texture you addWhat's actually happening at the cuticle level, and why textured hair grabs product completely differently than flat-ironed hairThe consultation questions to ask before you choose a texture — including the one about a humid day at the parkWhy McKenzie built Goldie Locks in the first place, what surprised her about who it works for, and the truth about how IBE and Goldie relateThe strand-by-strand coiling technique from the Art of Texture course that most stylists skipWhat it really takes to bring a new texture to market the right wayYour confidence in the texture conversation is what closes the consultation. Explore the education and the full texture range at invisiblebeadextensions.com.
An Interview With Master Educators Jenn Calloway + Raegan Abel
2026/07/17
Two Paths, One Standard: Jenn & Raegan on Growing With IBE® What does real growth in this industry actually look like—whether you've been behind the chair for years or you're fresh out of beauty school? In this episode of Flipping the Industry, Jasmine sits down with Jenn Calloway and Raegan Abel, two IBE® Masters Technique educators who took completely different roads to the same place: a mission to help stylists get better at their craft.Jenn came in seasoned, with years of experience and past extension-brand background before finding IBE®. Raegan knew immediately after beauty school that IBE® was where she wanted to build. Different starting lines, same trajectory—both of their careers have skyrocketed, and both now pour that momentum back into the stylists coming up behind them. Recorded right after two back-to-back 10-hour days: teaching an IBE® in-person class one day, then filming a Masters troubleshooting class the next. In this episode: - Why experience level isn't the ceiling—or the excuse—it's made out to be - How Jenn translated years behind the chair into a stronger IBE® foundation into a bustling salon - What made Raegan commit to IBE® straight out of beauty school and opening a salon at 24 - What it actually takes to grow from stylist to technique educator and mentor - The mindset that separates stylists who plateau from the ones who keep climbing Ready to grow your technique and your career? Learn, Wear, and Shop with us at invisiblebeadextensions.com.
An Interview with Megan King: Betting on Yourself
2026/07/03
From Certified to Masters Educator: Megan King on Betting on YourselfMegan King didn't just get IBE® certified — she built a salon around it, turned her Instagram into an IBE®-only showcase, and earned her way to Masters Educator. In this episode of Flipping the Industry, host Jasmine sits down with Megan to talk about what it actually looks like when a stylist goes all in on the method and lets the work speak for itself.Megan gets candid about the hesitations she hears from stylists on the fence — the cost, the doubts about online education — and why none of them held up once she saw the results. Her take on IBE®'s online model reframes the objection most stylists lead with, and her story is proof of what happens when you stop overthinking and commit.In this episode: Why letting the method speak for itself beats any hard sellMegan's IBE®-only Instagram rule and how it shaped her salon's brandThe real objections stylists raise — "it's too expensive," "I don't trust online education" — and why they don't hold upHow rewatchable online education outperforms one-time, in-person classes you can't revisitMegan's journey from certified stylist to Masters Educator, and what that growth looked likeIf you're a stylist wondering whether to get certified, Megan's advice is simple: do it. And if you're already IBE® certified and eyeing Masters, open enrollment is live at the time of this episode. Learn more at invisiblebeadextensions.com.
What Makes IBE® Different
2026/06/19
Most big extension brands are built to sell you hair. Education comes second — a one-day certification stapled onto a product catalog, five or six methods crammed into an afternoon, and silence the moment you have a question. McKenzie and Jasmine have seen it from the inside, and in this episode they say the quiet part out loud. IBE® was never built that way. McKenzie started the brand seven years ago not to move hair, but because she couldn't sleep knowing the methods she'd been taught were damaging her clients — and that education-first conviction is exactly why IBE® didn't even release a hair course until 2026, and only then because stylists demanded it. This is a candid look at what separates real mentorship from a sales funnel, and how to tell the difference before you spend your money. In this episode: Why a one-day certification is the single biggest red flag in extension education — and what genuine one-on-one mentorship should look like insteadThe hair-sales playbook bigger brands run, including pay-to-play stylist maps and celebrity influencer deals that don't actually serve youHow IBE® stayed education-first for seven years before ever teaching a course on its own hairThe questions every stylist should ask a brand before certifying — and the values to look for on the other end of the transactionFind your people, find your education, and build a career you're proud of at invisiblebeadextensions.com.
From Certified to Masters Educator | An Interview with Nicole Fermo
2026/06/05
Nicole Fermo is the kind of stylist every certification program hopes to attract — driven, sharp, ready to do the work. She's also moving through the IBE® education ladder at a pace that's almost unheard of: newly certified, fully booked, and became an educator in under a year. This episode is for the stylist who's been on the fence about IBE® certification — and for the stylist who's already certified and trying to figure out what's next. Jasmine sits down with Nicole for a real conversation about all of it. In this episode: Why Nicole chose IBE® over the other extension certifications she was consideringWhat the certification process actually felt like from the inside — the hard parts, the breakthroughs, the moments she questioned herselfHow Business Academy bridges the gap between newly certified and fully bookedThe mindset shift that took her from learning a method to running a business she's proud ofWhat she'd tell the stylist still sitting on the fenceLearn more, find a certified stylist near you, or start your own certification journey at www.invisiblebeadextensions.com.
Are Extensions After 35 Worth It?
2026/05/22
In this episode of Flipping the Industry, McKenzie and Jasmine talk about what it really means to wear extensions when you're a woman over 35 — navigating hormonal changes, thinning, active shedding, and the kind of hair concerns that can be painful to even talk about. McKenzie built IBE® one client at a time, and she's watched it grow into a method that meets women wherever they are, whether they want a dramatic mermaid transformation or a healthy, sustainable solution for hair that's changing. This one is for every woman who's ever struggled to find a stylist who truly gets her hair — and it's about how to find that person through the IBE® stylist locator, the bridge built to connect clients with certified IBE® stylists they can trust. In this episode: Why women over 35 dealing with hormonal or hair-loss changes need a stylist versed in their specific hair typeHow the stylist locator lets you find stylists who specialize in fine hair, active shedding, and specific concernsWhy a stylist's Instagram is one of the biggest signals to look for before you bookWhat happens when you move — and how the IBE® network keeps you taken care of nationwideWhy "find your last stylist ever" is exactly what an IBE® stylist becomesWhy you should never choose an extension artist on the transformation alone — and what healthy, sustainable hair actually requiresIf you're a client looking for invisible bead extensions, head over to the IBE® stylist locator and find your match at invisiblebeadextensions.com.
From Beauty School to Booked-Out Master Technician: Tionni's IBE® Journey
2026/05/08
In this episode of Flipping the Industry, McKenzie and Jasmine sit down with Tionni — a Haus of IBE® master technician who walked out of beauty school in 2023 and straight into a career most stylists spend a decade trying to build. McKenzie also reflects on building the Haus of IBE® as the flagship salon — a space designed to match the caliber of the method itself — and why watching stylists like Tionni soar inside it has been one of the most fulfilling parts of the journey. In this episode: Why Tionni chose IBE® over another salon offer right out of schoolHow assisting and fast-tracking certification in four weeks accelerated her careerThe Master Technique shift that cut her row time from 70 minutes to 45Flying to New York every eight weeks and hosting clients who travel from Canada to see herBuilding a 90% extensions book by age 22 without a massive followingWhy energy attracts the right clients more than follower count ever willHer advice to stylists still in beauty school looking for their roadmapFollow Tionni on Instagram @hairby.tionni to see her work, her travel, and what a real IBE® master technician's life looks like. Ready to build a career like Tionni's? Start your IBE® journey at invisiblebeadextensions.com.
What We Really Think About Other Extension Methods
2026/04/24
What do we actually think about tape-ins, tape-in rows, K-tips, hand-tied methods, and every other extension trend taking over social media right now? In this episode of Flipping the Industry, McKenzie Turley and Jasmine Hadjis say the quiet part out loud — breaking down where other hair extension methods fall short, why natural fall position is non-negotiable for scalp health, and the physics behind why IBE® still outperforms every method that's tried to copy it. This is the unfiltered conversation stylists have been waiting for. No method-shaming, no drama — just honest opinions on the trade-offs of every extension technique and what it actually takes to deliver a healthy grow-out your clients can feel from day one. You'll hear: Why natural fall position is the #1 red flag McKenzie watches for in any extension methodThe truth about tape-in rows, K-tips, keratin bonds, and beaded row methodsWhy adhesives, acetone removers, and maxed-out attachment points are a scalp health concernThe "sew-through-the-hair" myth debunked — and why it doesn't apply to IBE®How IBE® blends speed, durability, and comfort without the trade-offs of other methodsWhy conviction in your method matters more than comparisonWhether you're certified in IBE®, considering another extension method, or a client trying to understand what's actually behind your install, this episode gives you the real answers. It's time to flip the industry. Learn IBE®: https://invisiblebeadextensions.com/pages/learnWear IBE®: https://invisiblebeadextensions.com/pages/stylist-locatorShop IBE®: https://invisiblebeadextensions.com/pages/shop
How IBE® Changed Education for Stylists
2026/04/10
In this episode of Flipping the Industry, McKenzie and Jasmine take you behind the scenes of IBE®'s education center in Saint George, Utah. McKenzie shares how she flipped the traditional education model — starting stylists with virtual training before bringing them in person — and the wild story of how the 10,000 sq ft education center came to be (a rainstorm, a caved-in roof, and a building owner who almost said no). They break down what makes the in-person experience unlike anything else in the industry: stadium seating, live technique cameras, fully equipped hands-on training rooms, and a stress-free environment built for every personality type. Plus, why stylists are turning their training into a full destination moment — with national parks, hot springs, and a city that keeps bringing people back. In-person education is included in your first year of certification at no additional cost. To become a certified stylist, apply now at www.invisiblebeadextensions.com
The Truth About IBE® Admissions
2026/03/27
What actually happens after a stylist hits "Apply" and why IBE® has said no even when someone is ready to pay? In this episode of Flipping the Industry, McKenzie and Jasmine are back with Brent and Susan from the IBE® admissions team for a raw, unfiltered look at the real conversations happening on those calls. They get into the top misconceptions stylists bring to the table, why the money objection almost never means what it sounds like, and the ROI math that changes how stylists see the investment entirely. IBE® isn't just looking for stylists who are ready to spend, they're looking for the ones who are ready to grow. Apply to become an IBE® stylist at www.invisiblebeadextensions.com.
What Makes Stylists Successful
2026/03/13
What separates the stylists who plateau from the ones who completely change their careers? In this episode of Flipping the Industry, McKenzie Turley and Jasmine Hadjis unpack the real traits behind stylist success. Not just talent, not just hustle—but confidence earned through competence, open-mindedness, consistency, and a willingness to grow. From stylists building multi-chair salons to those designing a schedule that gives them their life back, this conversation explores what actually creates momentum behind the chair. The truth? Success in this industry isn’t reserved for a certain type of stylist. It’s available to anyone willing to learn, grow, and execute. If you're ready to build confidence through real technique and mentorship, it may be time to experience IBE®. Apply to become an IBE® stylist at www.invisiblebeadextensions.com.
Is IBE® Right For You?
2026/02/27
What do stylists actually want to know before they invest in IBE® Certification? In this episode of Flipping the Industry, McKenzie and Jasmine sits down with Brent and Susan from the IBE® admissions team to unpack the real conversations happening every day with stylists who are curious, cautious, excited, and sometimes skeptical. They break down the top questions stylists ask before enrolling, why so many applicants are coming from other methods, and what they’re still missing when a weekend training leaves them with more confusion than confidence. You’ll hear the honest answers behind pricing conversations, why IBE® protects the method, and what truly separates IBE® from everything else: scalp health first, technique-driven education, mentorship that teaches cause and effect, business training that actually supports ROI, and a Stylist Locator that connects clients to certified stylists in a way most brands never invest in. This episode is the full picture of what stylists are really buying into when they choose IBE®: not just a method, but a long-term career framework built for confidence, demand, and longevity. Wear IBE®: https://invisiblebeadextensions.com/pages/stylist-locatorLearn IBE®: https://invisiblebeadextensions.com/pages/learnshopIBE®: https://invisiblebeadextensions.com/pages/shop
We See You: Why We Built shopPERKS!
2026/02/13
In this episode of Flipping the Industry, we’re introducing Shop Perks and breaking down why it’s more than just a loyalty program. This wasn’t built because rewards are trendy. It was built because we’ve been watching how stylists actually purchase over the last few years and knew the experience needed to evolve. We talk about the shift from bulk buying to consult-first ordering, why tech friction forced us to completely rebuild the backend, and what it means to finally have education and product living inside one ecosystem. For the first time, stylists earn points on everything, including education, and Elevate members receive free shipping because we understand how frequently you’re ordering behind the chair. We also revisit why we are pro-only and why protecting the stylist will always come first. Whether you’re certified, in Elevate, or simply shopping our hair as a licensed professional, this conversation explains how Shop Perks supports every level of integration inside IBE®. If you want to understand the strategy behind the decisions, and what this means for you going forward, this episode will connect the dots! Click here to learn more: https://invisiblebeadextensions.com/pages/invisible-bead-extensions-shopperks

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4.9 out of 5
66 reviews
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Lmburns 2023/09/16
Best community
Literally the BEST COMMUNITY I’ve ever been a part of in my life! A beautiful group of souls who want to see you succeed. I have felt so welcomed and...
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Samlaspisa 2022/04/11
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Love this podcast!! Is there any link for the forms you mentioned in episode 1 to help us get started?
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kristinamaria09_hair 2022/03/29
Needed to hear this one!
After having a very stressful day seeing that my schedule is fully booked working 6 days a week for the next 2 months and fully booked 4 months out.. ...
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clare103012021916 2022/03/02
♥️
Filled with information to aid in your journey of becoming the best Invisible Bead Extension artist you can be. Love the variety of information and ca...
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itsjazzdarling 2022/01/31
Changed my life!
IBE took me from 20,000 a year behind the chair to 6 figures in one year and that was BEFORE I became an educator for the brand since then the opportu...
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robojojo2003 2022/01/30
Collaboration Over Competition
Being a stylist for over 20 years I never had any interest in doing extensions… until I saw IBE. The education, support and community are what makes i...
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Phaedram 2022/01/30
So inspiring! Becoming certified was the best decision I’ve made!
You need to listen to this podcast if you’re considering taking an extension method education class. IBE is a game changer. I’ve been doing extension...
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teampetey1 2022/01/30
Inspiring!
This method, this COMPANY, has completely changed my career. It gave me confidence behind the chair, and has brought so much joy to my clients in the ...
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Debhodges 2022/01/29
Debhodgeshair
I used to wonder what all the hype was about. Almost one year ago I became certified and it has transformed my career. IBE is an amazing method with a...
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AmandaGautreau 2022/01/29
Game changer
IBE has made such a impact on my career and for my clients! I’ve learned other methods and not that there was anything wrong with those methods, they ...
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