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Recognising concerning behaviour is only the beginning. Understanding what it means, and deciding how to respond, is where prevention starts. In this episode of The Defuse Podcast, Philip Grindell joins Dr Karie Gibson, a psychologist, former FBI special agent and former head of the FBI’s Behavioral Threat Assessment Center, for a conversation about profiling, targeted violence and the practical work of threat management. Drawing on her experience investigating and assessing complex cases, Karie explains what profiling involves, where its limits lie, and how assumptions can lead us to overlook the behaviour that matters. They explore why mental illness alone is a poor guide to understanding violence, how grievances can develop into fixation, and what the pathway to violence can help us recognise. The conversation also covers online threats, the distinction between “hunters and howlers”, and “leakage”, when someone reveals violent thoughts or intent to others. Karie discusses why families, friends and colleagues may notice changes first, and what can stop them from raising concerns. Above all, this is a conversation about acting on an assessment. Karie shares how connection, purpose, practical support and carefully tailored interventions can help move someone away from violence. For anyone concerned about someone’s behaviour, or responsible for protecting others, this episode offers a clearer way to think about the concern and the next step. About Dr Karie Gibson Dr Karie A. Gibson is a licensed psychologist, former FBI special agent and certified FBI profiler who served as Unit Chief of the FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit responsible for the Behavioral Threat Assessment Center (BTAC). Her career spans more than 20 years of assessing concerning behaviour, managing threats and helping prevent targeted violence. She has worked on hundreds of cases involving people of concern, responded to mass casualty events and led post-attack analyses to understand offenders’ motivations and behaviour. Before joining the FBI, Karie served as a psychologist in the United States Air Force and conducted court-ordered forensic psychological assessments in Washington State. She has trained more than 50,000 people across law enforcement, government, education, healthcare and the private sector. Through Twin Oaks Consulting, LLC, Karie now helps organisations assess and manage threats, develop behavioural threat assessment and management programmes, and respond to concerns involving insider risk, high-risk employee departures, reputational threats and workplace safety. Her approach combines psychological knowledge with practical experience of investigating threats and putting prevention plans into action. Find out more and connect with Karie: Website: https://www.drkariegibson.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karie-gibson-psy-d-lp-62666b22b/The views expressed in this episode are Karie’s own and do not represent the FBI or any government agency. Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

High Trust, High Stakes, Human Risk Inside Family Offices with Mark Somers In this episode, Philip speaks with Mark Somers, one of the most respected voices in the family office recruitment world. Mark has spent more than 20 years advising family offices, wealth managers and private banks on talent, structure and human capital. He's the author of two books on family offices and careers within the sector and sits on the Spears 500 judging panel. The conversation covers what makes a family office resilient — and what causes them to fall apart. Mark makes a compelling case that human capital, not financial capital, is the most important asset a family office possesses. Without the right people around it, the money simply evaporates. Mark Somers is the founder and director of Somers Partnership, a specialist executive search and family office consultancy established over 20 years ago. He advises family offices, wealth managers and private banks on talent, structure and human capital. Mark is the author of two books on family offices and careers within the sector, including Working for a Billionaire. He sits on the Spears 500 judging panel and is widely recognised as one of the leading global voices on human capital in private wealth. Prior to founding Somers Partnership, Mark served as a military officer. Website: somerspartnership.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-somers-spl/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

In this episode of The Defuse Podcast, Philip Grindell is joined by Lucy Burnford, founder of coc00n, a specialist cyber security firm protecting high-risk individuals, families, and senior leaders from targeted digital threats. Lucy works at the sharp end of personal cyber risk, where phones, messages and trusted relationships are often the way in. coc00n focuses on people rather than systems, securing personal devices, private digital lives, and the grey area where work and home overlap.  Their team includes former UK government cyber specialists who once protected sensitive national assets and now apply that experience to private clients. The conversation explores how cyber threats really start, why successful people often underestimate personal risk, and how digital compromise can quickly turn into reputational, psychological, or real-world harm. This is a grounded discussion about judgement, habits, and trust — and what genuinely helps people feel safer. Bio Lucy Burnford, Chief Executive Officer, coc00n Lucy is the CEO at coc00n. She works with a team of former GCHQ cyber security and digital privacy experts to deliver proactive, unrivalled cyber security with absolute discretion and privacy. She works closely with high value clients, and their advisors, to bridge the gap between technical requirements and practical solutions, combining her ability to understand consumers of premium services alongside cyber expertise. https://coc00n.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucyburnford/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

In this compelling and straight-talking episode, Philip sits down with Neil Basu QPM, one of the UK’s most respected and outspoken former senior police leaders. Neil shares the lessons, frustrations, and hard truths from over 30 years in policing — from the Stephen Lawrence inquiry to counter-terrorism, leadership under political pressure, and the moral challenges of modern policing. They discuss racism within the system, the dangers of disinformation, and the human cost of service. Neil also opens up about life after leaving the Met, his book Turmoil, and why courage and compassion are vital to real leadership. 🧭 Key Topics Covered Institutional Racism & Leadership Fear – Why acknowledging it is the only path to trust.Counter-Terrorism & Radicalisation – Lone actors, online grooming, and the threat from the far right.Politics & Policing – When public service collides with political convenience.The Human Cost of Service – How policing impacts families and communities.Leadership Lessons – Neil’s mantra: “Be quick, be competent, and be compassionate.”Life After the Met – From frontline leadership to mentoring, writing, and podcasting.📚 About Neil Basu QPM Neil Basu served as Assistant Commissioner for Specialist Operations at the Metropolitan Police, leading UK Counter-Terrorism Policing. Known for his integrity and willingness to challenge the status quo, he’s been at the heart of some of Britain’s most complex policing and national security operations. He is the author of Turmoil: The Official Autobiography – 30 Years of Policing, Politics and Prejudice — a raw and insightful account of his career and the challenges of reforming British policing. Neil also co-hosts the Crime Agents Podcast with crime journalist Andy Hughes, offering honest commentary and insight into crime, justice, and law enforcement today. Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

This episode features forensic psychologist Kerry Daynes discussing her 25-year career and expertise in stalking behaviour. Kerry transitioned from advertising plans to forensic psychology after university, despite being told it was "no job for a girl." She trained through the NHS rather than the typical prison service route. Key Professional Insights: Kerry advocates for "rational compassion" - maintaining realistic risk assessments whilst treating individuals with dignity. She argues against forcing people into neat psychological categories, emphasising that everyone requires individual understanding. Stalking vs Harassment: Stalking involves deeper fixation and obsession than harassment. Stalkers gather unnecessary information and seek proximity to victims. The UK recognises five stalker types: rejected (highest violence risk), intimacy-seeking, incompetent suitors, resentful, and predatory stalkers. Risk Assessment Problems: The widely-used DASH risk assessment tool lacks scientific validity despite being standard across UK police forces. This "quick and dirty" approach fails because it attempts to assess domestic abuse, stalking, and honour-based abuse with one inadequate tool. Personal Experience: Kerry shares her own stalking experience, describing the victim's sense of "omnipresence" - feeling unsafe everywhere. Victims typically shrink their lives and experience hypervigilance, which others often dismiss as paranoia. Societal Issues: Popular culture romanticises stalking through films like Beauty and the Beast and Twilight. Social media and data oversharing have made stalking easier while creating unrealistic expectations about pursuing romantic interests. https://www.linkedin.com/in/kerry-daynes-aa8b5740/ https://www.instagram.com/kerrydaynespsychologist/?hl=en Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

Send us a text In this compelling two-part episode, Philip Grindell welcomes back security expert James Hamilton to explore the "attack cycle" - a proven model used by criminals, terrorists, and assassins to target victims. Following the high-profile New York CEO assassination, Hamilton breaks down the eight critical phases: target selection, surveillance, final target selection, planning, rehearsal, execution, escape, and exploitation. The discussion reveals how attackers methodically progress through each stage and, crucially, how executive protection teams can identify and disrupt these phases. Hamilton shares practical insights on surveillance detection, threat assessment, and creating flexible security programs that balance protection with client accessibility. BIO James is a nationally recognized personal security expert and former FBI Supervisory Special Agent. For more than 33 years, he has been a protector, trainer, and advisor to the nation’s most at-risk individuals. He has real, practical, and unparalleled experience in executive protection, violence prevention, and personal security. This real experience was earned through service in local law enforcement, the FBI, and America’s premiere executive protection firm. He has protected government officials, high-net-worth individuals, and leading religious figures all over the globe and has empowered thousands of individuals to stay safe in an increasingly dangerous world. He has dedicated his life to this particular area of expertise and is sought after by those seeking practical and sound guidance. https://www.hamiltonsecuritygroup.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-hamilton-752894104/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Follow me on X /Twitter Connect with me on LinkedIn Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

In this compelling two-part episode, Philip Grindell welcomes back security expert James Hamilton to explore the "attack cycle" - a proven model used by criminals, terrorists, and assassins to target victims. Following the high-profile New York CEO assassination, Hamilton breaks down the eight critical phases: target selection, surveillance, final target selection, planning, rehearsal, execution, escape, and exploitation. The discussion reveals how attackers methodically progress through each stage and, crucially, how executive protection teams can identify and disrupt these phases. Hamilton shares practical insights on surveillance detection, threat assessment, and creating flexible security programs that balance protection with client accessibility. BIO James is a nationally recognized personal security expert and former FBI Supervisory Special Agent. For more than 33 years, he has been a protector, trainer, and advisor to the nation’s most at-risk individuals. He has real, practical, and unparalleled experience in executive protection, violence prevention, and personal security. This real experience was earned through service in local law enforcement, the FBI, and America’s premiere executive protection firm. He has protected government officials, high-net-worth individuals, and leading religious figures all over the globe and has empowered thousands of individuals to stay safe in an increasingly dangerous world. He has dedicated his life to this particular area of expertise and is sought after by those seeking practical and sound guidance. https://www.hamiltonsecuritygroup.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-hamilton-752894104/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

When Crisis Hits: The Real Cost of Getting Reputation Wrong This week's Defuse Podcast featured Heather Blundell (CEO, Grayling UK) and James Clothier (Head of Crisis) discussing how reputation management has become essential protection. Key insights: Most crisis failures stem from human behaviour under pressure, not poor messaging. Female executives face different reputation attacks requiring specific strategies. Social media breaks stories before traditional media responds. Video responses are replacing written statements as authenticity matters more than polish. Heather revealed that proactive reputation management creates a competitive advantage, not just damage limitation. The conversation covers timing challenges, the importance of an external perspective, and why lawyers often make statements worse by stripping out emotion. They discuss how social media has transformed crisis response - young people get news from Snapchat, stories break on Twitter first, and video content is becoming essential. The practical advice focuses on being honest, letting the light in, and demonstrating genuine change rather than just promising to "learn lessons." Heather Blundell’s Biography:  Heather is the award-winning UK CEO of Grayling, a global PR firm,  responsible for 200 employees across nine offices.  She has spent more than 16 years as a trusted adviser to some of the world's largest companies and prominent CEOs, guiding them through periods of significant change, disruption, and complex reputation and crisis issues. Heather is also a regular media commentator in the national media.  James Clothier James is Head of Crisis at Grayling UK, responsible for leading the crisis and reputation practice, alongside the firm's corporate division.  Before joining Grayling, James spent two decades in senior editorial positions at The Sun and the Daily Mail. https://grayling.com/ #ThreatIntelligence #CrisisManagement #ReputationRisk #ExecutiveProtection #CorporateSecurity #StrategicCommunications Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

OSINT Part 2 - The Digital Lens Into Personal Security with Jon Blake In the second part, Philip and Jon delve deeper into technical aspects of OSINT and digital security: - VPNs (Virtual Private Networks): They discuss how VPNs create secure, encrypted connections through virtual "tunnels" and their benefits for security, particularly when using public Wi-Fi. They also address limitations, including potential impacts on speed and some websites detecting and blocking VPN access. - The security risks of public Wi-Fi networks, with Jon recommending always using a VPN when connecting to hotel, airport, or other public networks. - Using OSINT for due diligence, including understanding a person's "digital footprint" (information they know about and control) versus their "digital shadow" (information they may not be aware of, like data breaches). - Techniques for conducting effective searches, including using Google Advanced Search rather than basic searches, and applying filters strategically. - The challenges of images online, including metadata that can reveal sensitive information like location data, and the use of reverse image search technology. - The emerging role of AI and automation in OSINT investigations, with Jon cautioning that while AI tools can be helpful, they need human verification and should be used carefully. - Deep fakes and their security implications, particularly for high-profile individuals and organizations, with Jon emphasizing the need for verification processes and code words as potential safeguards. The podcast concludes with Jon highlighting his company's training programs and customizable "cyber investigator pathway" courses available through Cyber Ops Global. Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

OSINT Part 1 - The Digital Lens Into Personal Security with Jon Blake In the first part of this podcast, Philip Grindell interviews Jon Blake, a former Metropolitan Police Detective who has become an expert in Open Source Intelligence (OSINT).  They discuss: - Jon's background as a career detective who moved into cyber investigations, worked in covert operations, and eventually became a national internet investigation coordinator before entering the private sector in 2015. What OSINT is: Open-source intelligence refers to gathering publicly available information and processing it for reliability and assessment. Jon notes that in policing, they've moved away from the term "OSINT" to "triple I" (internet investigation and intelligence). - The difference between the surface web (indexed by search engines), the deep web (content not indexed by search engines, such as commercial databases), and the dark web (accessible only through specific tools like Tor). - The distinction between open source (publicly available information) and closed source (information from private systems). - The importance of treating digital evidence properly, including creating audit trails, capturing evidence methodically, and preserving digital material to maintain its integrity. - How investigators must approach OSINT with the mindset that any information gathered could potentially become evidence, so proper documentation and verification are essential. The experts emphasise that OSINT is a powerful investigation tool but should be part of a comprehensive approach rather than relied upon exclusively. Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

"Countering Extremism with Guy Mathias" – The Defuse Podcast  This two-part podcast features an in-depth conversation between Philip Grindell and Guy Mathias, a renowned security expert with extensive experience countering extremism, particularly in the pharmaceutical and research sectors. Episode Summary In this fascinating discussion, Guy Mathias shares insights from his distinguished career addressing extremist threats, particularly from animal rights groups in the UK during the 1980s through the 2000s. The conversation explores the evolution of extremist tactics, sophisticated intelligence gathering methods, and how organizations can prepare for and counter modern extremist threats. Guy discusses how extremist groups evolved from direct action like arson attacks to more sophisticated operations involving infiltration, data mining, and targeted pressure campaigns. He emphasizes the importance of preparedness, risk assessment, and understanding both direct threats and supply chain vulnerabilities. Key Topics Discussed: Guy's background and entry into security without traditional military/police experienceThe evolution of animal rights extremism in the UK, particularly the SHAC (Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty) campaignSophisticated tactics used by extremist groups including: Direct action (arson, liberation of animals)Infiltration and insider threatsIntelligence gathering and targetingSupply chain disruptionHow extremist tactics have transferred to other causes and evolved with technologyThe importance of preparedness and risk assessmentChallenges of screening and vetting employeesProtecting organizational leadershipCurrent and future extremism trendsNotable Quotes: "The tactics were a local level. They were at a national level. They became an international level tactic." - Guy Mathias "I would certainly argue that there is a requirement for those of us working in the sector be that security risk or resilience, to be prepared. What does preparedness look like?" - Guy Mathias Practical Advice for Organizations: Develop and maintain a dynamic risk register that is regularly reviewedUnderstand your organization's supply chain vulnerabilitiesImplement thorough pre-employment screeningConsider ongoing screening for high-risk positionsEducate leadership about potential threatsConduct vulnerability assessments for executivesPrepare resilience plans for disruptionsThe podcast provides valuable historical context and practical security insights for organizations facing potential extremist threats in today's complex environment. Guy Mathias - https://www.linkedin.com/in/guy-mathias-19555673/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

"Countering Extremism with Guy Mathias" – The Defuse Podcast  This two-part podcast features an in-depth conversation between Philip Grindell and Guy Mathias, a renowned security expert with extensive experience countering extremism, particularly in the pharmaceutical and research sectors. Episode Summary In this fascinating discussion, Guy Mathias shares insights from his distinguished career addressing extremist threats, particularly from animal rights groups in the UK during the 1980s through the 2000s. The conversation explores the evolution of extremist tactics, sophisticated intelligence gathering methods, and how organizations can prepare for and counter modern extremist threats. Guy discusses how extremist groups evolved from direct action like arson attacks to more sophisticated operations involving infiltration, data mining, and targeted pressure campaigns. He emphasizes the importance of preparedness, risk assessment, and understanding both direct threats and supply chain vulnerabilities. Key Topics Discussed: Guy's background and entry into security without traditional military/police experienceThe evolution of animal rights extremism in the UK, particularly the SHAC (Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty) campaignSophisticated tactics used by extremist groups including: Direct action (arson, liberation of animals)Infiltration and insider threatsIntelligence gathering and targetingSupply chain disruptionHow extremist tactics have transferred to other causes and evolved with technologyThe importance of preparedness and risk assessmentChallenges of screening and vetting employeesProtecting organizational leadershipCurrent and future extremism trendsNotable Quotes: "The tactics were a local level. They were at a national level. They became an international level tactic." - Guy Mathias "I would certainly argue that there is a requirement for those of us working in the sector be that security risk or resilience, to be prepared. What does preparedness look like?" - Guy Mathias Practical Advice for Organizations: Develop and maintain a dynamic risk register that is regularly reviewedUnderstand your organization's supply chain vulnerabilitiesImplement thorough pre-employment screeningConsider ongoing screening for high-risk positionsEducate leadership about potential threatsConduct vulnerability assessments for executivesPrepare resilience plans for disruptionsThe podcast provides valuable historical context and practical security insights for organizations facing potential extremist threats in today's complex environment. Guy Mathias - https://www.linkedin.com/in/guy-mathias-19555673/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

What do you do when your reputation or brand is threatened? Reputation management can mean different things depending on your status.  An organisation may have spent millions on developing and building its brand reputation, whilst private clients, UHNW individuals or influencers may rely on their good name to maintain their position and their wealth. Public inquiries are a subject of constant debate; they can be exhaustive, hugely detailed, politically motivated and take years to conclude. How do you protect your reputation when you're involved in such a public investigation? In part 2 of this podcast, lawyer Andrew Sanderson provides the answers. Andrew has successfully represented clients in all three of the above scenarios and discusses the complexities and the rights and wrongs of navigating these often deeply personal threats. Bio Andrew has nearly 20 years of experience working as a lawyer based in the City of London, advising large national and multinational clients on complex highly complex issues. He has always adopted a commercial approach when dealing with clients and opponents. With extensive legal, risk, and business experience, Andrew is a Solicitor-Advocate with rights of audience in the higher courts, both Criminal and Civil. He has recently joined a new firm, Kingsley Napley https://www.kingsleynapley.co.uk/our-people/andrew-sanderson https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-sanderson-fcilt-minstta-8023b015/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

In this, my first video recorded podcast without a guest, I’ll share why subscribing to this podcast will deliver even more value this year, with an episode every week.   In this episode I’ll share my thought of the appalling circumstances that led to a young female British soldier taking her own life following a campaign of sexual harassment by not one, but two of her superiors.   This case illustrates why so few cases are in fact reported, as it highlights the four reasons why victims don’t report allegations and why addressing these issues in important, morally, financially and for security and safety reasons. Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn

What do you do when your reputation or brand is threatened? Handling a threatened reputation requires both short-term crisis management and long-term strategic efforts to rebuild trust and credibility. This month, we speak with esteemed London lawyer Andrew Sanderson. In part 1 of the podcast, Andrew shares how and why he became a lawyer and chose to focus on his niche. Andrew debunks the myths surrounding the use of Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDAs), explains the differences between defamation, slander, and libel, and describes why and how you should consider your options when facing such threats to your brand or reputation. Bio Andrew has nearly 20 years of experience working as a lawyer based in the City of London, advising large national and multinational clients on complex highly complex issues. He has always adopted a commercial approach when dealing with clients and opponents. With extensive legal, risk, and business experience, Andrew is a Solicitor-Advocate with rights of audience in the higher courts, both Criminal and Civil. He has recently joined a new firm, Kingsley Napley https://www.kingsleynapley.co.uk/our-people/andrew-sanderson https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-sanderson-fcilt-minstta-8023b015/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website. Connect with me on LinkedIn