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Enjoy a full hour of Cori and Nina at their best: arguing about attribution, pretending the male co-host is the “designated feminist,” and snarking about various current events. Cori asserts women, old people, and the disabled shouldn’t be on airplanes, and Nina, who is all 3 of those things, does her part. We read aloud an inane comment on our last episode that calls us “a genocide-supporting podcast.” Plus: Jo Freeman, Peggy McIntosh, Max Blumenthal, “self-hating Jews”, ICE vs Border Patrol, Jo Freeman, civil disobedience, buffoonery, policing, a ladyfinger in the face of the pope, Jo Freeman, misogyny, misandry, and Jo Freeman. Finally, a Listener Challenge: write a one-paragraph Anglican sermon about misogyny. Please leave yours in the comments! Links: Jo Freeman: https://www.jofreeman.com/ Peggy McIntosh: https://www.wcwonline.org/Active-Researchers/peggy-mcintosh-phd Kim K’s Komment: https://heterodorx.substack.com/p/episode-186-whats-happening-in-iran/comment/206704453 The GrayZone: https://thegrayzone.com/ Max Blumenthal: https://thegrayzone.com/author/max-blumenthal/ Alex Pretti: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti Renee Good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ren%C3%A9e_Good cat on trampoline video (is it AI or not?): Civil Disboedience: https://blogs.law.columbia.edu/uprising1313/files/2017/10/Civil-Disobedience-by-Henry-David-Thoreau.pdf Malcolm X: https://www.malcolmx.com/biography/ Dame Sarah Mulally: https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/about/sarah-mullally Ladyfingers: https://baranbakery.com/savoiardi-biscuits-homemade-lady-fingers/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx try to understand recent events in the Area Formerly Known As Persia by interrogating animator-cartoonist-painter-comic book creator Zartosht Soltani, who grew up there before moving to New York City. What’s causing the uprisings? What outcomes are possible? What’s it like being jailed in Iran? Zartosht has personal experience with the latter, which he’s channeled into his new comic book DEEV. He also observes that America is becoming more like his former country in alarming ways. Plus: useful vs useless idiots, American vs Iranian communists, “only 3,000,” extremist families, nepotism, learning English in bars, and liberation through painting. Links: Zartosht Soltani: https://www.zartoshtsoltani.com/ Deev comic: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FKQV4438 Useful Idiots: https://www.reddit.com/r/agedlikemilk/comments/1q3lnko/iranian_students_celebrate_the_victory_of_the/ Rita Panahi savages Whoopee Goldberg Jo Freeman essay on trashing: https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/trashing.htm Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Hanukkah is over, but we still have plenty to say about candles, miracles, and commemorating atrocities. We offer our respective reviews of 2025, and Cori talks more about his joylessness, depression, and identifying with “victim groups.” Nina reports progress on her SSDI Blue Book playing card illustrations, including a transgender Jack (“LadyJack”) and Queen Prostate Cancer. Is Down Syndrome progressive? Does Cori “feel Jewish” yet? What should we watch on TV? Do we have any listeners left? Whatever the question, the answer is increasingly: GO BILLS! Links: True Blue Lou sung by Annette Hanshaw: Bondi Beach Hanukkah massacre: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjg22rey0lo Chuck Schumer: Go Bills! Rob Reiner murder: https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2025/12/23/rob-reiner-wife-michele-death-certificates-memorial-service/87899544007/ The 12 Days of Christmas: https://www.almanac.com/what-are-12-days-christmas SF Hillel arson: https://sfdistrictattorney.org/man-charged-with-arson-in-connection-to-fire-at-san-francisco-hillel/ Jewish men attacked on NYC subway Cori’s pic on X in front of a giant menorah: Nina’s 2025 Year In review: https://ninapaley.com/2025/12/19/my-2025-year-in-review/ Nina’s SSDI Blue Book illustrations - Queens: https://spinster.xyz/@ninapaley/posts/B1W5HfREevhkTfdyt6 & Jacks: https://spinster.xyz/@ninapaley/posts/B1HQIvEmaTyLQwrNJI Pluribus: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt22202452/ House of Lies: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1797404/?ref_=fn_t_1 Severance: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11280740/?ref_=fn_t_1 Naked Gun: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3402138/?ref_=fn_t_1 PHQ9: https://share.google/PO5J3OAtPMRCLGKVJ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

After learning about Nina’s inability to whistle and Cori’s interest in Sharia Enthusiast meetups, the Dorx return to the tired old subjects of gender and online drama. That stupid blue dress comes up again, while a cancellation mob forms on “our side”, at least as bad as the old cancellation mobs on “their side” that got “us” here in the first place. Will it ever end? (No.) How do you say ‘b******t’ in French? (‘Connerie,’ according to Google Translate.) What is the #1 most common stupid mistake young people make? (Tell us in the comments!) Plus: incinerated balls, personality-disordered cliques, shopping at Aldi, the virtue of self-awareness, and George & Ira Gershwin. Fascinatin’! Links: Nina juggles Cori’s phantom balls: https://x.com/ayeshadequeiroz/status/1995916753050988751 Phil Illy at the Genspect conference: https://shannonthrace.substack.com/p/genspect-and-agpgate Nina’s Mimi & Eunice comic strip repost: https://x.com/ninapaley/status/1995499736955261412 Sex is Real, People are Weird: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/terf-tranny-alliance-pin/ Cori calls out callouts: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1995729240877080773 Our Brianna Wu episodes: https://heterodorx.com/podcast/episodes-134-135-is-brianna-wu-based/ The Art Coop (potential site of TERF-n-TrannyCon): https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/jim-dey-terf-battle-in-urbana-averted/article_cdf7ecd4-2e0d-5759-84b7-fbbe653de2a5.html The music of George & Ira Gershwin Fascinating Rhythm Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori is acutely depressed, so we discuss his inner world, psychic bodies, primal wounds, and spiritual maladies. We also answer some Listener Questions: is it OK to be tired of TERFing? What are our favorite cat memories? What is Cori’s latest forecast for the future? It’s a far cry from our energetic gender days, but we’re still surviving, which is sometimes the best we can hope for. Links: Cori interviews Nina when she was depressed: https://heterodorx.substack.com/p/episode-164-ninas-brain-breaks-itself Tish Hyman at Minnesota prison protest: https://x.com/listen2tish/status/1990310036703478079 Wieiner vs Hyman: Erin Reed, LOLcow: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/erin-reed-anthony-reed-ii-erininthemorn-erininthemorning-erininthenight-_supernovasky_-beholderseye-realitybias-anonymousrabbit.112364/page-888#post-22970899 Sita Sings the Blues: https://sitasingstheblues.com/watch.html Seder Masochism: https://sedermasochism.com/download/ Apocalypse Animated: https://apocalypseanimated.com/ Nina’s SSDI Blue Book illustrations-in-progress: https://ninapaley.com/2025/11/28/ssdi-blue-book-cards-in-progress/ This Land Is Mine: Nina’s store: https://store.ninapaley.com/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

You begged us to stop talking about gender, and start talking about economics. So by popular demand we just made up, the Dorx discuss F.A. Hayek’s The Road To Serfdom for an hour. Collectivism! Individualism! Planned economies! Marx! Socialism, Communism, and Capitalism! Power! Competition! If that doesn’t thrill you or make you fall asleep, we also mention fleas and liquid crystals. Although we answer your not-actually-existent pleas to talk economics, we failed to answer your Listener Questions. Next time, my little turtledoves! Feel free to leave more in the comments. Links: The Road to Serfdom by F.A. Hayek: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.46585 Condensed Reader’s Digest version: https://cdn.mises.org/Road%20to%20serfdom.pdf F.A. Hayek: https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/bios/Hayek.html Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori enters the ranks of the Truly Old by discussing his fascinating medical problems, including depression, vasovagal response, blood tests, and his severely impaired endocrine system. Nina attends a Chloe Cole talk hosted by ISU College Republicans and hears chants for free hormones outside and Christian prayers inside. Is finding Jesus really the solution? Is Cori depressed, or supernatural? Will our podcasts be retarded forever? Plus: Low-Dose Naltrexone, Nina’s body temperature, Christian Nationalism, and KITTENS! Links: Chloe Cole ISU talk: https://www.videtteonline.com/news/campus/illinois-state-university-college-republicans-host-anti-trans-activist-chloe-cole/article_a2391090-fb6d-4ee2-ad01-97f942a062ed.html Ben Appel — Cis White Gay: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Cis-White-Gay/Ben-Appel/9781637586280 Young Republicans leaked chat: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146 Our interview with Katie Herzog: https://heterodorx.substack.com/p/episode-176-katie-herzog-drinks-her Herzog’s Drink Your Way Sober: https://www.drinkyourwaysober.com/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Recorded during the High Holy Days, after catching up on sensitivity, innocence, hard surfaces, insect bites, and fasting, Cori attempts to school Nina in who is and is not “really Jewish,” obnoxious as only a fresh convert can be. So we get into a long-winded discussion about faith, culture, foundational literature, the Torah, contradictions, G*d’s face vs backside, the Ramayana, and more. Finally we circle back to Genspect’s 2025 conference and how tired Nina is of manipulating people through empathy. Was Nina’s father a Jew? Are atheists really shallow? Why is Cori suddenly trying to be “Good”? And to whom is he referring when he mentions animal control and getting arrested? That’s at least one mystery that won’t be revealed in this vaguecast. Links: Greta Thunburg forced to sit on hard surfaces: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/04/greta-thunberg-israel-gaza-sweden Book of Job: https://www.amazon.com/Job-Translation-Edward-L-Greenstein/dp/0300162340 Many Ramayanas: https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.5973087 Dennis Praeger debate clip: https://x.com/WyattCatarina/status/1974632909777838560 Cori’s pinned tweet: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1947895012253175984 On the subject of the Ramayana, here’s Nina’s feature film based on it: https://sitasingstheblues.com/watch.html …and her second film about Exodus and the Torah: https://sedermasochism.com/download/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

In this weeks-late release (blame Mr. Flounce) we ask: Is it ever a good idea to fire someone for saying crazy, wrong, and/or threatening things in public? Nina would like to always say no, but even she admits that in some occupations, such as medical care, stating you want certain ethnic groups to die is grounds for dismissal. But most canceling is motivated by a lust for revenge, not safety, despite protestations of “accountability” and “consequences”. We also discuss a very bad spider bite, distracting kittens, taglines, Groypers, Jimmy Kimmel, misinformation, moral outrage, Schadenfreude, gay vs homosexual vs queer, and Hey Zeus! Links: Little Britain “I’m a Laydee!”: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2qahpm Did Jimmy Kimmel fire his announcer for not getting a covid vaccine? https://www.facebook.com/terrencekwilliams/posts/jimmy-kimmel-fired-dicky-barrett-after-almost-20-years-of-announcing-the-show-be/1403479137804487/ Nick Fuentes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes Log Cabin Republicans: https://logcabin.org/ GOProud: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOProud Cori calls Nina’s cats gay on X: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1960836018359427549 Nina’s wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Paley Stop Antisemitism X account: https://x.com/StopAntisemites Accused Rapist Shot by Alleged Victim: https://fox59.com/news/accused-rapist-shot-by-alleged-victim-and-arrested-an-hour-later-in-speedway/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx record the day after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which happens to be the 24th anniversary of the World Trade Center attacks. We reminisce about 9-11-01: where we were, how we felt, how we’ve changed since. Then we discuss the current climate of political violence, comparing the reaction to Kirk’s death to that of George Floyd’s. Then Cori edits out 18 minutes about people denouncing him online, because it’s Rosh Hashanah and why carry resentments into the new year? So suddenly you’ll hear both of us talking about kittens. Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx discuss Robin/Robert Westman, the psychotic Minneapolis Catholic school shooter. Was he left-wing or right-wing? Does trans ideology cause psychosis, or is it just coincidental? What is the difference between racism and white nationalism? Do women owe the world reproductive labor? What might happen to Cori as the political wrecking-ball pendulum keeps swinging rightward? Was the Unicorn Ranch llamas or alpacas? Plus: Cori insists trannies are a class but TERFs are not, because he doesn’t get intersectionality. Why didn’t we just talk about kittens? Links: Robert/Robin Westman: https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/robert-westman-trans-name-change-manifesto-mary-family-bfhps6kkf Westman’s Manifesto transcription: https://x.com/FrancisAaronUK/status/1961085415445660009 Westman journal excerpt about racism, Native Americans: https://x.com/FrancisAaronUK/status/1961149304053125196 Matt Walsh says women owe children to the world: https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1951280351784907005 Christopher Rufo: “we should now put to rest the libertarian delusion…” https://x.com/realchrisrufo/status/1960769904258469938 Free Press: Robin Westman and the Rise of American Nihilism: https://www.thefp.com/p/robin-westman-and-the-rise-of-american-nihilism-minneapolis-shooting Unicorn Ranch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenacious_Unicorn_Ranch Agents of HAG & Compliance Comix: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/compliance-comix/ Protect Trans Kids weapons tshirt: https://www.amazon.com/Protect-Trans-Knife-Pride-T-Shirt/dp/B0BZBHJ4TQ confirmation bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias Andrea James website: https://www.transgendermap.com/ Knife-wielding Scottish lass WDI Convention: https://womensdeclarationusa.com/wdi-usa-2025-national-convention/ The Naked Gun: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3402138/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

You may recognize Katie Herzog’s journalism and podcasting, but did you also know she’s soon-to-be famous for her alcoholism? For years she hid it from the world and her exceptionally gullible wife, but now she tells all in a new book which even longtime twelve-stepper Nina finds persuasive. Can you quit booze while happily retaining your character defects? What is Naltrexone? Does everyone get a “buzz” from drinking? Does Nina get pleasure from anything? Plus: amusing recollections of drunken episodes and blackouts, getting older and more isolated, extinguishing desires, AA vs. Al-Anon, Kokomo, Kokomo, why you should never apologize, and tips on how to hide both drinking and smoking from your spouse! Links: Drink Your Way Sober by Katie Herzog: https://www.drinkyourwaysober.com/ The Sinclair Method: https://www.sinclairmethod.org/what-is-the-sinclair-method-2/ Syn-Anon documentary: https://www.hbomax.com/shows/synanon-fix/a27b5e0a-68eb-48e2-baa6-2b0f01d5b8be Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori and Nina chit-chat about things that have nothing to do with gender: heat indices, ducktails, cat poop, impermanence, Hulk Hogan, Conway’s Game of Life, Michigan in the summer, Permethrin, online shopping, Spaceballs, elephants, and The Book of Job. But other topics in our wandering conversation are inevitably related to gender: Psycho, synthetic blue velvet dresses, hijabs, and a recently-deceased poet. As always, we ask the important questions: Why would God create mosquitoes? Does Reality exist beyond our perceptions? Why is 24fps better than 25fps for animators? Does Nina’s loss of her female tonsils make her less of a woman? How many hats does Cori have? (A: too many) Links: Benjamin Boyce w/ Cori and Graham Linehan Psycho shower scene cloaca: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloaca Feline Follies (from Nina’s blog): https://ninapaley.com/2025/07/21/feline-follies/ Hulk Hogan dies at 71: https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/45813406/pro-wrestling-legend-hulk-hogan-dies-age-71 Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (again): https://www.vhemt.org/ Conway’s Game of Life: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_Game_of_Life Permethrin: https://www.sawyer.com/product/permethrin-fabric-treatment-insect-repellent-24-oz-trigger-spray Informed Dissent Spaceballs soma crappy animation Nina DID NOT do: https://www.facebook.com/CoffeemateUSA/videos/23973682502325784/?rdid=0FcIVbVR5QfzzfBb# The Book of Job Believe by Ross Douthat Andrea Gibson’s Love Letter from the Afterlife Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori returns from San Francisco with brief tales of the Endocrine Society before launching into crazy population projections (AGAIN) and then making some rather provocative arguments. What are Human Rights? Can children consent to irreversible decisions? Is the individual the most important unit of society? Are women never competent? Has Cori been wearing Nina down for an hour and a half, or just an hour? Despite still grieving her cat, Nina does a good job arguing right back and the resulting debate is actually pretty good. Links: SF TERF Central: https://x.com/sf_terf_central Endocrine Society conference in San Francisco: https://www.endocrine.org/meetings-and-events/endo-2025 The Female Eunuch by Germaine Greer: https://seminariolecturasfeministas.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/germaine-greer-the-female-eunuch.pdf Self-fertilizing plants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-pollination Mating In Captivity by Esther Perel: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/mating-in-captivity-esther-perel?variant=41231555362850 Human Rights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights The Center for Individual Rights: https://cir-usa.org/ The Age of White Guilt by Shelby Steele: https://cir-usa.org/2002/11/the-age-of-white-guilt-and-the-disappearance-of-the-black-individual/ Nina’s SSDI Blue Book project (on hold for biking season): https://ninapaley.com/2025/05/31/illustrating-the-ssdi-blue-book/ R.I.P. Nina’s cat Lola: https://ninapaley.com/2025/07/10/rest-in-peace-sweet-lola/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori speaks at the European Society for Child & Adolescent Psychiatry conference, then returns home to find degenerates everywhere. Meanwhile, Nina’s beloved cat dies. Cori calls out a “Protect the Dolls” campaign; Nina’s lungs improve. Cori has to clean up human feces in his yard; Nina wears a dress. Cori gets into pronatalism and blames Nina for western collapse; Nina sighs. Plus: pain au chocolat, lazy consonants, TSA shoes, cannabinoids, sanitariums, and yelling at clouds. Links: European Society for Child & Adolescent Psychiatry in Strasbourg https://www.escap.eu/events/escap-2025-congress-in-strasbourg Pain au Chocolat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_au_chocolat TSA shoes: https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/travelers-will-no-longer-have-to-remove-their-shoes-for-tsa/article_c53fe231-d918-40e5-aa53-b7f0084e51ce.html OutCare - Protect the Dolls: https://mailchi.mp/outcarehealth/september-outtalk-6420697 Dustin Nowaskie: https://www.outcarehealth.org/staff/dustin-nowaskie/ Art Bell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell FTC Hearing: The Dangers of “Gender-Affirming Care” for Minors: https://www.ftc.gov/media/dangers-gender-affirming-care-minors?s=08 Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe