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We need more vegans. We need strategies. But for these to stick, it's the context we must transform. That requires courage. In 1950, Leslie Cross, a Vegan Society founder, wrote veganism was a liberatory movement. This July, the European Court of Human Rights affirmed ethical veganism as a protected belief under Article 9 as not a lifestyle choice, but a serious moral conviction. Courage gets recognised. Rooted in Cross's vision, in that ruling, and in the insights of Angela Davis and Antonio Gramsci, this is an invitation to build a movement which can stand, especially when the market says otherwise. Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com     http://thinklikeavegan.com      http://emilialeese.com     Instagram @emi.leese  YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos       When the monsters are inside the house https://emilialeese.substack.com/p/when-the-monsters-are-inside-the  Go Vegan World https://goveganworld.com/go-vegan-world-campaign/  Don't Buy It campaign https://projectslingshot.com  Ethical Veganism as a Protected Belief: What the European Court of Human Rights Just Affirmed https://emilialeese.substack.com/p/ethical-veganism-as-a-protected-belief  Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com    Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com    Music  Theme music: “Tendrils” by Matthew Gerstenberger  Interlude:  This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Join me for a profound conversation with Jordi Casamitjana, the ethical vegan activist who made legal history by securing the first worldwide ruling securing veganism as a protected belief.  A methodical thinker and lifelong advocate, Jordi joins me to discuss his new book, Why Vegans Don't: A philosophical guide to vegan behaviour — exploring the "why" behind vegan choices, blending zoology, history, and ethics.  We also delve into his personal journey, from growing up in Franco-era Catalonia to his landmark employment tribunal ordeal.  Tune in for a masterclass in clear thinking, moral courage, and discovering the freedom of saying "no."  And in part two, Matthew Gerstenberger, long-time music collaborator with TLAV, shares about his music on the debut of the new theme tune he composed for the show. Jordi Casamitjana  https://www.jordi-casamitjana.animal-protection-consult.com/  Instagram: @jayseecosta  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/veganjordi  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordi-casamitjana-36586a15/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Jordiwasp  Bluesky: https://blueskydirectory.com/profiles/jordiwasp.bsky.social Books: Why Vegans Don't: A philosophical guide to vegan behaviour https://www.lulu.com/shop/jordi-casamitjana/why-vegans-dont/paperback/product-p6jepnd.html  Ethical Vegan: A Personal and Political Journey to Change the World https://septemberpublishing.org/product/ethical-vegan/   Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com    http://thinklikeavegan.com     http://emilialeese.com    Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos      Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guests: Jordi Casamitjana & Matthew Gerstenberger Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com   Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com   Music  Theme music by Matthew Gerstenberger  Interlude: "Time to go" music by Matthew Gerstenberger and voice by Chiyako This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

In this powerful season finale, I bring our exploration of nature, politics, and animal liberation to a profound conclusion by looking to the forest as a model for a just society. Gregory Tague, a scholar with over two decades of work in environmental and animal ethics, introduces a radical idea: the forest is a sovereign state. It operates not with a single dominant power, but through a complex web of mutual obligations, where inhabitants respect boundaries and avoid confrontation for the collective advantage of all. We dive into a key excerpt from Tague’s book, Forest Sovereignty, which argues that forest organisms understand something we humans have forgotten: true association isn't about transactional exchanges, but about the net result of sustainability for the entire ecosystem. In this "liberal society" of the forest, stability comes from the diversity of its organisms, all with a free right to resources. This episode is a call to action. Reflecting on the entire season, we're reminded our struggle for a fairer world has deep roots, and that change, while slow, is possible. The season is retroactively dedicated to all those — vegans, activists, and thinkers — who are pushing boundaries and striving for the liberation of both humans and non-humans. This is a fitting end to a season challenging us to learn from the ancient, self-sustaining wisdom of the forest and to continue the long, necessary work of building a new, more just existence for all. Key Takeaways: Forests as a model for a sustainable, self-governing society. The concept of "associative duties" we hold towards all wild life. A powerful message of solidarity for those fighting for liberation. A compelling conclusion to a season-long discussion on nature and politics. Listen to the full episode to hear this inspiring conversation and conclude the season with a renewed sense of purpose. Website/Socials & Books Gregory F. Tague Website: https://sites.google.com/site/gftague/ Book: Forest Sovereignty: Wildlife sustainability and ethics (Peter Lang 2025) Other links "Sovereign Forests" https://theecologist.org/2025/oct/10/sovereign-forests Literary Veganism: An online journal https://www.litvegan.net Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Gregory F. Tague Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "Ōuda Afternoon I" music by Matthew Gerstenberger, voice by Chiyako Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Join me for a provocative conversation with brothers Vasile and James Stănescu as we deconstruct the common yet charged concept of "invasive species." Moving beyond a simplified view of nature, we explore how the rhetoric of "invasion ecology" creates a violent foundation justifying perpetual war against certain animals. Drawing from their contributions to the critical book, The Ethics and Rhetoric of Invasion Ecology, James and Vasile unpack the real-world consequences of this ideology. Vasile illustrates the cyclical failure of "management," where killing one species leads to an explosion in another, forcing us to ask: why must nature be violated in order to protect it? James, one of the book's editors, examines the militarized language and apocalyptic tone used to describe non-native species, which in turn dictates a response of total eradication—a hyperbolic reaction to hyperbolic communication. This episode challenges the sanitized ideal of a pristine wilderness and delves into the ethical costs of this worldview for both human and non-human animals. Tune in for a deep dive into the intersection of language, ecology, and animal liberation. Website/Socials & Books: Vasile Stǎnescu Website: How we win https://www.winforanimals.org  Podcast: How we win https://www.winforanimals.org/how-we-win-podcast  Instagram: @professional.vegan  Article: "How Industrial Slaughter Became the Blueprint for Modern Capitalism" https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/how-industrial-slaughter-became-the-blueprint-for-modern-capitalism  James Stǎnescu Website: https://www.criticalanimal.com  Book: The Ethics and Rhetoric of Invasion Ecology (Lexington Books, 2017) Other links Banu Subramanian, "The Aliens Have Landed! Reflections on the Rhetoric of Biological Invasions" https://www.jstor.org/stable/40338794  Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com  http://thinklikeavegan.com  http://emilialeese.com  Instagram @emi.leese  YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos  Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Vasile Stǎnescu and James Stǎnescu Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com  Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: "Ōuda Afternoon I" music by Matthew Gerstenberger, voice by Chiyako Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

When disaster strikes – a flood, wildfire, massive quake – most of the headlines understandably focus on the human toll. But what happens to the animals? They are the silent, often invisible victims, and their suffering is deeply intertwined with our own. The bonds between people and their animals and the wildlife sharing our ecosystems mean that when animals suffer, human communities suffer too. So, how do we break this cycle? How can we provide help and assistance to both people and animals, and work towards preventing these catastrophes, especially those supercharged by climate change? In this compelling episode, I speak with Altamush Saeed, a dedicated professional working tirelessly on the front lines in Pakistan to do just that. He shares powerful and innovative approaches to building resilient communities protecting all their members irrespective of species.  Join us for a conversation going beyond the headlines to reveal a more compassionate and effective model for disaster response, one which includes the well-being of people and the planet's creatures as one, unified path toward a safer, healthier future for all. Website/Socials & Books: Altamush Saeed Instagram https://www.instagram.com/altamushsaeed  LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/altamushsaeed95/  Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Altamushsaeed95  Case note on the animal rights sentience judgment - https://tinyurl.com/2r256uzv  Other links Charity Doings Foundation Pakistan https://twitter.com/CharityDoings  https://www.linkedin.com/company/charity-doings-foundation/  instagram.com/charitydoingsfoundation  https://youtube.com/channel/UCTLoPSGdZb-Qy_1ncAUYkRA  https://www.facebook.com/CharityDoingz/  Environmental and Animal Rights Consultants Pakistan https://www.facebook.com/EARCPAK  https://www.instagram.com/earcpakistan  https://www.linkedin.com/company/environmental-and-animal-rights-consultants-llp-pakistan/  Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com  http://thinklikeavegan.com  http://emilialeese.com  Instagram @emi.leese  YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos  Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Altamush Saeed Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com  Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: "Ofusa Fuurin" by Matthew Gerstenberger Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Ever been told an animal is a "problem"? From the deer in our backyards and the pigeons in our cities to the elephants on their ancestral lands, we constantly label other species as pests, nuisances, and issues to be solved. But what if the real problem isn't the animal themselves, but the way we choose to see them? In this episode, Claudia Hirtenfelder, host of the acclaimed podcast The Animal Turn and a brilliant geographer, unravels the surprising process of how we "make" animals into problems. She introduces her powerful concept of "problematization" — the social and historical system where animals are first labelled as a problem in our laws and conversations, and then managed, or even removed, because of it. We'll explore the consequences of this labeling and discover how this framework explains not just the history of cows in one Canadian city, but the global stories of creatures from coyotes and badgers to sea gulls and squirrels. Get ready to have your perspective flipped. Tune in to ask the critical question: When we call an animal a problem, what are we really saying about ourselves? Website/Socials & Books: Claudia Hirtenfelder Podcast: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com     LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/claudia-hirtenfelder-a360241a   Article: "An analytical framework to understand the problematization of urban (historical) animals" https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/25148486241281227  Other links Vienna Animal Studies Group: https://www.viennaanimalstudies.com  Phoenix Zones: https://www.phoenixzonesinitiative.org  Transformation Austria: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10009315345939  Wild crows inhabiting the city use it to their advantage - David Attenborough - BBC wildlife https://youtu.be/BGPGknpq3e0?si=HVn4TpZuTJWOcFTG   Straying Home: A film essay with urban animals https://youtu.be/kfITJ9zDU5w?si=LKHljLvR2nFjt3ne  by just wondering https://justwondering.io/beyond-speciesism-beyond-humanism-beyond/  "Turkey's street-living dogs: Thoughts in light of Turkey's controversial 'adoption' law", by Emilia Leese https://open.substack.com/pub/emilialeese/p/turkeys-street-living-dogs  Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com        http://thinklikeavegan.com         http://emilialeese.com        Instagram @emi.leese  YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos      Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Claudia Hirtenfelder Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com       Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com       Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: "No Time" by Matthew Gerstenberger Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Join me for a conversation with scholar-activist Amanda Williams as we dismantle the idea of "adult supremacy" and connect it to the broader fight for total liberation. Amanda shows us how our first lessons in power often start with controlling children, and how to turn that awareness into tangible action for a more compassionate world. Website/Socials & Books Amanda Williams Linktree: https://linktr.ee/amandarwilliams Books by Amanda: The Overprivileged Human; What Can I Do?; Exploring Topics in Non/Human Coexistence Free Frankie pressure campaign: https://www.kcactionforanimals.org/  Recommended books: Raising our Children, Raising Ourselves by Naomi Aldort; Unconditional Parenting by Alfie Kohn Other links "Ten Unschooling Boogeymen And How They're All NBD", by Agni Hogaboom https://buymeacoffee.com/agnihogaboom/ten-unschooling-boogeymen  "Unschooling For Parents Who Don't Unschool", by Agni Hogaboom https://buymeacoffee.com/agnihogaboom/unschooling-for-parents-who-don-unschool-761293  Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com       http://thinklikeavegan.com        http://emilialeese.com       Instagram @emi.leese  YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos     Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Amanda Williams Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com      Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com      Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: "Mushi" by Matthew Gerstenberger Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

What happens when a folklorist goes inside vegan and animal rights communities, not as an outsider looking in, but as someone documenting their lived beliefs? Dr. Ceallaigh MacCath-Moran joins me to discuss her research in St. John’s and Toronto, where she explores veganism as a counter-hegemonic tradition and activism as performative resistance. We delve into how media and academia often misrepresent these movements and why insider voices matter. From Gramsci to grassroots protest, this conversation challenges the idea speciesism is just common sense and asks what justice really sounds like when dissent speaks Website/socials Dr. Ceallaigh MacCath-Moran https://csmaccath.com/home  PhD dissertation https://research.library.mun.ca/16537/ Your Vegan Fallacy Is https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en  https://linktr.ee/csmaccath  Other links "What's wrong with carnism?" by Dr Corey Wrenn https://www.coreyleewrenn.com/carnism/  Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com      http://thinklikeavegan.com       http://emilialeese.com      Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos    Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Dr. Ceallaigh S. MacCath-Moran Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com     Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com     Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: "Kawa" music by Matthew Gerstenberger and voice by Chiyako Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Roger Yates, a longtime animal rights firebrand, sociologist, and movement historian, cracks open veganism’s radical past. This isn’t just about diet or ethics. It’s about a revolutionary philosophy of total liberation challenging everything. Yates doesn’t just talk theory, he connects the dots to today’s movement in a way that’ll make you reconsider what “vegan” even means. Spoiler: It’s bigger than what you’ve been sold. Strap in. This one’s for the thinkers, the rebels, and anyone who believes justice must be pro-intersectional. History isn’t just background noise; it’s fuel. P.S. If you’ve ever argued about “militant vegans” or “the vegan agenda”… oh, you’ll want to hear this. Website/socials Roger Yates' YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@RogerYates/streams Substack: https://substack.com/@drrogeryates Instagram @roger_yates1 TikTok roger_yates The Social Construction of Human Beings and Other Animals in Human-Nonhuman Relations https://rogeryatesphd.blogspot.com/ Blog https://onhumanrelationswithothersentientbeings.weebly.com/ Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com http://thinklikeavegan.com http://emilialeese.com Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese Guest: Roger Yates Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business Interlude: "I Used to Do Lots of Things" by Matthew Gerstenberger Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Vance Lehmkhul is a vegan renaissance man: writer, journalist, cartoonist, and now, a vegan history detective. His book Revolutionary Peace cracks open the wild, untold story of how Philadelphia became the unlikely birthplace of America’s vegetarian and vegan revolt. This isn’t just a history lesson. It's a street-level view of radical thinkers who saw food as revolution. We’re talking 18th-century Quakers, 19th-century anarchists, feminist firebrands, and proto-vegan agitators who linked animal liberation to every fight for justice. Lehmkhul’s work proves something urgent: veganism was never just about diet — it was always political warfare. If you think today’s movements are divisive? Wait till you hear about the original plant-based rebels who scared the hell out of the status quo. This one is for all history nerds, activists, and anyone tired of watered-down veganism.  Links Vance Lehmkhul http://www.vegcast.com/vance/  Revolutionary Peace: How Philadelphia Launched the US Vegetarian and Vegan Movement https://americanvegan.org/product/revolutionary-peace/  Veg History Walking Tours https://americanvegan.org/veg-history-walking-tours/  American Vegan Center https://americanvegan.org/avc/  American Vegan Society https://americanvegan.org  The Return of Benjamin Lay https://www.benjaminlayplay.com  Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com  http://thinklikeavegan.com  http://emilialeese.com  Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos  Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Vance Lehmkhul Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com  Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: "Dappling" by Matthew Gerstenberger Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Researcher Rimona Afana unflinchingly exposes the hidden victims of Israel's war on Gaza: the natural world and nonhuman animals. She reveals how advanced weaponry creates a psychological distance enabling destruction on a colossal scale, making ecocide a feature, not a byproduct, of modern conflict. Website/Socials Rimona Afana https://www.linkedin.com/in/rimonaafana Ecocide/Speciesism: Legislating Hierarchy, Interdependence, Death https://www.facebook.com/ecocide.speciesism  Other links Israel's Crimes Against the Dead and Unborn in Gaza  https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/israels-crimes-against-the-dead-and-unborn-in-gaza Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com  http://thinklikeavegan.com  http://emilialeese.com  Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos  Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Rimona Afana Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com  Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: Birds from Shwikeh, Tulkarem, Palestine by sounds_from_palestine -- https://freesound.org/s/802437/  -- License: Creative Commons 0 Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

There are those who study nature, and then there are those who listen to it. Alan Watson Featherstone is such a listener, a quiet revolutionary who has spent his life translating Earth's silent longing into action. In this episode, we walk with Alan through: The act of rewilding — not just restoring land, but restoring relationship Why healing broken ecosystems is the most radical hope we have How a single sapling carries within it an entire future A man of many gifts — photographer, storyteller, planter of forests — Alan founded Trees for Life in 1986 and for three decades served as its guiding spirit, transforming Scotland's barren glens into cathedrals of green. A vegan since 1979, his life reminds us that compassion must stretch beyond our species This is not a lecture on ecology. This is an invitation to remember, to see, as Alan does, that every act of rewilding is a love letter to a better future for everyone Website/Socials Alan Watson Featherstone https://alanwatsonfeatherstone.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-watson-featherstone-8063961a  X @AlanWatsonFeat1 Photography https://www.naturepl.com/search?s=Alan+Watson  YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@alanwatsonfeatherstone9676/videos  Other links Findhorn community https://www.visitecovillagefindhorn.uk  Trees for Life https://treesforlife.org.uk Ishmael https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael_(Quinn_novel) Kathleen Jannaway https://youtu.be/2ai7lnUsVPE?feature=shared  Auroville https://auroville.org  Jack Whitten https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Whitten  Birchfield https://birchfieldhighlands.org  Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com   http://thinklikeavegan.com    http://emilialeese.com   Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos     Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: Alan Watson Featherstone Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com  Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: "Contemporary Music Too" by Matthew Gerstenberger Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

Capitalism didn't just commodify animals - it turned suffering into an industry. Meet John Sanbonmatsu, the revolutionary philosopher tearing apart the meat-industrial complex in his incendiary new work The Omnivore's Deception. This book is an indictment of the entire capitalist food regime   Sanbonmatsu doesn't debate reform. He demands total dismantling of the oppressive structures that treat life as profit. This is food system analysis as class war, revealing how your burger funds environmental racism, worker exploitation and mass extinction. The only moral response is revolution   Website/Socials John Sanbonmatsu https://www.johnsanbonmatsu.com Other links Karen Davis essay https://www.upc-online.org/thinking/rhetoric.pdf Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com      http://thinklikeavegan.com       http://emilialeese.com      Instagram @emi.leese YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thinklikeavegan/videos    Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Guest: John Sanbonmatsu Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com  Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: "7am" music by Matthew Gerstenberger and voice by Chiyako Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

This episode goes back to basics. We hear about animal rights, welfare, compassion and kindness. It all sounds like good things and stuff we should have. So I want to share with you why when I talk about animal ethics, I centre my words around rights instead of welfare or compassion and kindness Website/Socials Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com    http://thinklikeavegan.com     http://emilialeese.com      @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X and Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com  Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com  Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude:  "On the Forbidden Balcony" by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com

When you hear the term zoonotic disease, what does it mean to you? What do you think of and who is responsible for them? Maybe you think about Covid 19. How about HIV-AIDS? Is your impression that zoonotic illnesses are something relatively new? Or uncommon? In this episode, I'll explore just how far back in time zoonotic illnesses go and think about how our entanglement with other animals affects us -- and them -- on a cellular level Website/Socials Emi Leese https://emilialeese.substack.com   http://thinklikeavegan.com    http://emilialeese.com     @emi.leese or @thinklikeavegan, Instagram, Facebook, X and Threads Credits Host: Emilia A. Leese  Production & Engineering: Jim Moore of Bloody Vegans Productions; https://www.bloodyvegansproductions.com   Graphics: Catherine Dorrell https://www.messyvegancook.com   Music Opening theme: “Flashbacks” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business  Interlude: "Pinglie"  by Matthew Gerstenberger; Seismicity on Soundcloud https://on.soundcloud.com/3Pf8g  Closing theme: “Tear Things Up” by Jenny Moore’s Mystic Business This podcast is part of iROAR, the Animals Podcasting Network https://iroarpod.com