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Writing and publishing a phenomenal book doesn’t have to be ridiculously complicated or mind-numbingly overwhelming. From myths and misconceptions to practical tips and sound strategies, Elizabeth Lyons (author, book writing coach, book editor, and founder of Finn-Phyllis Press), helps writers feel more in control of and comfortable with the business of book publishing. Her interviews with fellow authors discussing their writing processes and publishing journeys aim to help you untangle YOUR process so you can finally get your story into the world.
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Ep 192: Novel Writing 185 Books In, with Debra Webb
2026/11/04
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Debra Webb has published 185 books. The one that recently landed on my doorstep, The Woman I’ve Become, is number 185, out November 1, 2026 from Thomas & Mercer.
She did not sell her first one until she was 40.
I did the math out loud while we were recording this episode, and realized that if I wrote two books a year for the rest of my life, I still wouldn’t catch her.
This was also her first podcast appearance, ever, which I loved knowing!
Her first manuscript took nine months and was, by her own description, "terrible." It had a good plot, but she gave a dog a point of view, mostly because she didn’t yet know what point of view was. Her mother suggested she call a country music talk show for advice on what to do with it, so she did. The assistant told her to send it to Mel Berger at William Morris, which she also did. She mentioned in the letter that the assistant had told her to, and she got a reply saying he had neither the time nor the inclination to read it.
Nevertheless, she persisted. She came from a business background, so she researched which publisher bought the most books in a year, learned it was Harlequin, and started sending them stories.
The one that sold went in as three chapters and a synopsis, a form she still dislikes because she can’t tell you how a story ends before she’s written it. Harlequin hadn’t bought from a new author in two years. The yes came by phone on a Friday in November, and she cried through enough of the call that her editor told her to call back Monday.
EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:
How a story arrives for Debra in big chunks, closer to watching a movie than assembling pieces one at a timeWhy she writes a little every day, even when she can’t write muchWhat she can only see about her own draft after setting it asideWhy she doesn’t really know her characters until she’s finished writing the first draftHow Zillow became part of her process (which turns out to be something we both do!)On self-publishing versus traditional, she’s clear about what she gained and what she gave up. She liked having the final say on covers and titles. She also says there’s real value in a publisher handling all of it, because she considers herself a writer rather than a marketer, and she’d rather put her attention on what’s between the covers.
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Ep 191: Novel Writing When You’re Also an Editor (with E.L. Shen)
2026/10/28
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E.L. Shen’s (who goes by Elizabeth) fourth book, Foreigners, came out September 22, 2026 from Quill Tree Books. It’s her first historical novel, it moves across three timelines, and it started with a series of interviews she did with her grandmother over the course of years.
Elizabeth is also an executive editor at Penguin Young Readers, so I got to ask the question I now ask every author-editor I meet: How do you turn off your editing brain while writing?
As it turns out, she doesn’t. She self-edits constantly while drafting, rereads the previous chapter before starting a new one every single time, and accepts that this makes her both a cleaner writer and a slower one. Suffice it to say, I felt very seen. Since most of her creative energy goes to her day job, she writes her own books almost exclusively on weekends.
Conversation Highlights:
How she plans her writing time around how much bandwidth a given week actually holdsWhy the present-day character in Foreigners was harder to write than the one living in the 1960sWhat six months of research looks like for someone who doesn’t consider herself a history buffHow she outlines chapter by chapter Why the first chapter of this book barely changed from first draft to finished manuscriptWhat she’s learned while working with three publishing houses at onceHer framing of the editor relationship opened the conversation wide open. She and I agree about the fact that editors are often (unlicensed) therapists for authors. A good one offers several routes to the same destination rather than insisting on the one they’d take, and then they get out of the way while the author decides which path to follow. Her editor, Jen, will say (and I'm paraphrasing), "Here’s the behavior we need from this character, and here are some ideas. Now what does your brain want to do?"
This requires both author and editor drop their egos, and we talk about how hard that is, regardless of which side of the manuscript you're on.
She also said something about author expectations that caused my ears to perk up. "You’re monetizing your identity for profit." This is precisely why a book not performing lands differently from a project at work going sideways. I spend a lot of my time helping authors set realistic expectations (and worrying that I sound like a pessimist). Turns out, she spends her days doing the same thing.
On the research side, her great-great-great grandfather is a real historical figure who appears as one of the three narrators. Some of his belongings live at the Met, and she got to sit down with the curator of his collection and hand him a copy of the book.
The book she's working on now a middle grade currently titled Joey Hates Junior High, which she describes as sardonic and very funny, about a girl who has survived genuinely hard things and has decided that the actual worst thing happening to her is junior high.
If you listened to the Anna Pitoniak episode a few weeks back, this one is a good companion, since they sit on both sides of the same desk.
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Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
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Ep 190: Novel Writing for People Who Hate Self-Promo (with Anna Dorn)
2026/10/21
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Anna Dorn’s debut novel, Vagablonde, came out in May 2020, which was a spectacular moment to launch a book (hear the sarcasm). Her tour was obviously cancelled, which she was fine with since she prefers doing things online anyway.
The paperback version came out October 6, 2026 from Simon & Schuster—six years later, which is not the typical order of operations and also a decent reminder that even traditional publishing doesn’t always follow the script people assume it does.
The main character, Prue, is a 30-year-old attorney who wants two things: to live without psychotropic medication and to experience success as a rap artist. Anna was also once a lawyer who wanted to be a rapper, so we know where some of this came from!
The six-year gap between hardback and paperback versions gifted her something most authors never get, which is five years of distance before re-editing her own book, which she ended up liking far more than she expected to.
We get into:
How distance let her read her own novel almost like someone else wrote itWhat she updated, and which dated references didn’t surviveWhy law school prepared her for editorial notes better than anything in publishing didHow she decides whether a Goodreads consensus is worth acting onWhy she’d rather read for a few minutes at someone else’s event than host a launchWhat happened to the five novels she’s abandonedOn the business side, Anna is cheerfully hands-off. Her take is that if she were business minded she’d be doing something more lucrative, which is exactly why agents exist. She went to law school and still doesn’t want to read her own contracts!
Her next novel is slated for January 2028. In the meantime she freelance edits and writes a Substack with a friend about perfume titled...wait for it...Sample Sluts, where they pair scents with pop music and Bravo shows. I came away with a reading list, a watch list, and a renewed interest in Salt and Stone.
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Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
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Ep 189: 120 Rejections and Two Agents Later | Jane Bitomsky on Her Debut, Death by Misadventure
2026/10/14
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Jane Bitomsky’s debut novel, Death by Misadventure, came out October 1, 2026 from Lake Union. It opens in the 1500s with a naked dead man found under a waterwheel, missing a certain piece of his anatomy, and a coroner who has to work out whether it was an accident or something considerably worse.
Jane has a PhD in early modern English history. Her dissertation covered pregnancy and crime, which means part of it dealt with women pleading their bellies to delay execution. She assumed that background meant the research for the novel would be minimal. It wasn’t.
Legal records are formulaic and tell you almost nothing about how people actually spoke to each other, so she ended up reading literature from the period, digging into historical societies to find real parishioner names and local occupations, and learning a truly impressive number of Elizabethan euphemisms.
Then there’s the road to publication. We discuss:
Ninety rejections before her first agent said yesThree rounds of edits over a year, then nine rejections from publishers on submissionA second manuscript her agent read and declined to take outA parting of ways in January 2025, followed by thirty more rejectionsTwo offers by March, a new agent, submission in April, and an acceptance in JuneA hundred and twenty rejections total, by her countWhen I asked how the agent split felt, Jane called it "slightly dispiriting," which might be the most restrained response I've heard. She also pointed out that rejection doesn’t stop once you’re published. Her first review was two stars and came with a full essay on everything that's wrong with the book. We had a good time talking about clicking into a reviewer’s history and finding their other three-paragraph takedowns of peanut butter and wallpaper.
We also got into the marketing side, which looks different when you’re a debut author in New Zealand with an Amazon imprint. There’s real anti-Amazon sentiment there, her publisher’s focus is digital and audio, and when she called a local publicist, she was told plainly that they couldn’t help. She did find her book in Wellington’s biggest independent bookstore, however!
Her plan for a launch party is one I’ve never heard and immediately loved. She’s waiting until November or December so people have had time to read it, and she’s giving copies to friends ahead of time so there are actual questions from the room instead of her being alone on a stage wondering if anyone cares what she has to say.
Jane isn’t a social media person, which she declares without apology. She bought a dagger to open her author copies on camera, and now that it lives locked in her desk, she’s planning to use it on a cake with an edible version of her book cover on top and something resembling blood inside.
Her next book is with her agent now. She’s deciding between Death by the Angel and Death by Harlotry. I of course have strong feelings about which one it should be.
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Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
The podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.
To see all the ways we can work together to get your book written and published, visit publishaprofitablebook.com/work-with-elizabeth
Ep 188: Forget About 30 Under 30 (with Beth Weinhouse and David Galef)
2026/10/07
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I have a complicated relationship with 30 Under 30 lists. I'm genuinely happy for everyone on them, and I'm also in my fifties and have not done most of those things, so there's a part of me that reads those lists and feels like I missed the boat and the train.
Turns out, David Galef and Beth Weinhouse had the same reaction back in their late thirties when they saw an anthology titled 30 Under 30. So they created 20 Over 40 instead, and when the call went out, writers wrote in saying some version of "Where have you been all my life?" Now, twenty years later, they've put together 20 Over 60, a collection of short stories (fictional) written by authors over the age of sixty about being over the age of sixty.
David is a fiction writer and lit professor who directs the creative writing program at Montclair State, has published around 200 short stories, and edits Vestal Review, the longest-running flash fiction magazine around, where the limit is 500 words. Beth is a journalist and magazine editor. They are also married, which made for a fun recording setup!
We got into:
Why they refused to make an anthology about disease, decline, and death, and what they looked for insteadThe stories that surprised them, including a kleptomaniac with a pepper mill problem and a woman visiting her husband and her ex-husband in the same hospitalHow they handled permissions, payment, and the contributors you've likely never heard of alongside Joyce Carol Oates and Paul TherouxWhat every agent and press told them before Beth built a presentation out of statistics (and sold the book almost immediately)Why David thinks a good plot gets you on the bestseller list and a memorable character gets you rememberedHow they're marketing to a demographic that reads more, spends more, and belongs to more book clubs than anyone elseDavid said something about the unknown writers in the collection that I've repeated twice since. Most of us haven't heard of 90 percent of the authors out there, if not 99 percent, and a lot of them are tremendously accomplished. I used to feel embarrassed when a guest turned out to have written 185 books I'd never encountered (hello, Debra Webb). Now, I think, "If everyone already knew everyone, nobody would ever discover anything!"
We also talked about book tours being largely a thing of the past, and how the ones still happening are often financed by the authors themselves. Their contributors are doing local events around the country instead, which means nobody is getting shipped off on a ten-city tour.
And because this is apparently where my brain lives now, we spent a few minutes chatting about whether we could get a tracking device into every book, which led to a conversation about the inventory robot at my grocery store. Her name is Tally. She is six feet tall and very friendly.
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Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
The podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.
To see all the ways we can work together to get your book written and published, visit publishaprofitablebook.com/work-with-elizabeth
Ep 187: A Former Random House Editor on Why She Stopped Checking Her Own Sales (with Anna Pitoniak)
2026/09/30
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Anna Pitoniak spent years as a senior editor at Random House, wrote her first two novels in the hours before and after work, and has now published five books of her own. Her newest, The Swiss Agent, comes out December 1, 2026 from Simon & Schuster. It showed up on my doorstep and I got unreasonably excited, because I am fully in my espionage era right now.
Anna is one of the few authors I've spoken with who has sat on both sides of this business at the same time, so I had a lot of questions for her.
We picked up the marketing and publicity conversation I've been having across several recent episodes, and Anna gave me her definitions of each: Publicity is earned media, meaning coverage nobody paid for. Marketing has a paid component, like ads and giveaways. Then we got stuck on the same blurry spot Cassie Miller and I landed on a few weeks ago, which is where influencer and bookstagram outreach falls. Neither of us has a perfect answer.
We also got into:
Why she didn't submit her first novel to her own imprint, and what her boss said when she brought it upWhat having BookScan access did to her head, and why losing it was a reliefWhy it's so hard to connect cause and effect with book sales, even when something big happensThe question she asks herself about a big first week versus slow steady growth over yearsWhy she used to warn authors away from fall publication, and what changed her mindHow The Swiss Agent took close to three years to write/rewrite, and why returning characters made it harder rather than easierAnna is candid about the comedown after her first novel came out. She'd built up so much adrenaline expecting fireworks on publication day (don't we all?), and what she got instead was the ordinary quiet of a Tuesday when other books also come out and everyone moves on.
That book has since earned out and sends her royalties twice a year, which she notes is enough to at least cover the oat milk in her latte.
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READY TO FINALLY BE IN THAT "CAN'T STOP WRITING" FLOW?
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Write the Damn Book Already is a weekly podcast featuring interviews with authors as well as updates and insights on writing craft and the publishing industry.
Available wherever podcasts are available:
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Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
The podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.
To see all the ways we can work together to get your book written and published, visit publishaprofitablebook.com/work-with-elizabeth
Ep 186: Cassie Miller on Marketing, Publicity, and Meet Me on Mistletoe Lane
2026/09/23
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She's back! Cassie Miller joined me last spring to talk about her debut, Meet Me Under the Lights, and now she's here with book two, Meet Me on Mistletoe Lane, out October 6, 2026 from Penguin Teen. I somehow have three copies, one of which is the finished edition with glitter on the cover. Cassie, the actual author, has not yet seen the glitter. I felt terrible about this for almost a full minute.
This time we talked marketing, because I've been in a lot of marketing conversations lately and the same misconceptions keep coming up. Namely, that traditional publishers do nothing to market your book (which is sometimes somewhat true), and that marketing and selling are the same thing.
Cassie was generous enough to walk us through what her experience has actually looked like, one book in and with a second about to launch.
We got into:
Cassie's definition of marketing versus publicity, and why she thinks one has a face and the other happens behind the scenesThe marketing campaign printed right on the back of her ARC, and what it means in practiceWhy she's never been afraid to ask her publicist questions, and why she thanks her publishing team in nearly every emailHow she coordinated with her publicist to personally send ARCs to the bookstagrammers who championed her first bookHow a fellow author confessed that her gorgeous social media presence came courtesy of a publicist she hired herselfWhy a fall farmer's market book became a Christmas book during contract negotiations, and why Cassie said yes immediatelyWhether launching in a crowded holiday season makes you a needle in a haystackCassie describes herself as an introvert who can extrovert, and then describes unboxing her ARCs to the Sugar Plum Fairy while her son filmed and shook his head. She makes a really good case that authors, especially those writing for kids and teens, need to be willing to be a little silly.
We also debated the appeal of "It's a Wonderful Life." I will not be taking questions at this time regarding my position.
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WONDERING EXACTLY HOW TO SELF-PUBLISH SO YOU CAN STOP GUESSING?
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WANT TO SELL MORE BOOKS (WITHOUT THE SELF-PROMO CRINGE)?
The Author Visibility Bundle gives you 200+ done-for-you email templates, social media graphics, and other book promo tools designed to help authors build buzz and drive sales, without feeling pushy.
👉 PublishAProfitableBook.com/visibility
READY TO FINALLY BE IN THAT "CAN'T STOP WRITING" FLOW?
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Write the Damn Book Already is a weekly podcast featuring interviews with authors as well as updates and insights on writing craft and the publishing industry.
Available wherever podcasts are available:
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Instagram
Website
Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
The podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.
To see all the ways we can work together to get your book written and published, visit publishaprofitablebook.com/work-with-elizabeth
Ep 185: Kim Purcell on Writing a Novel in 100 Days
2026/09/16
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After writing 6 nonfiction books, I'm working on my first novel, which everyone who listens to this show is painfully aware of by now. So when Kim Purcell reached out about her new book, Write a Novel in 100 Days, the timing felt less like coincidence and more like the universe smacking me on the head.
Kim is the author of Trafficked and This Is Not a Love Letter; she has an MFA; she's been teaching novel writing to kids, teens, and adults for about as long as I've been in this business; and her new guide comes out September 22 from Penguin Random House with a foreword by Donald Maass. It also took her longer to write than three of her novels, which made me feel enormously better about my own life.
We covered a lot:
Why the 100 days aren't consecutive, and what to do when life detonates in the middle of your draftThe 15-minutes-a-day approach, and what counts as writing when you can't actually write"Method writing," and why becoming your character is where the scenes that make readers cry actually come fromWhy rewriting a scene from scratch is roughly ten times faster than fussing with the one you haveThe handful of plot points even devoted pantsers need to know before they start, and why the muddy middle is almost always a missing midpointKim's theory on asking for critical feedback before your first draft is finished Near the end, Kim gives some advice I'm putting into my own toolbox: Let go of it being good and entertain yourself instead.
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WANT TO SELL MORE BOOKS (WITHOUT THE SELF-PROMO CRINGE)?
The Author Visibility Bundle gives you 200+ done-for-you email templates, social media graphics, and other book promo tools designed to help authors build buzz and drive sales, without feeling pushy.
👉 PublishAProfitableBook.com/visibility
READY TO FINALLY BE IN THAT "CAN'T STOP WRITING" FLOW?
Grab the free nonfiction or memoir kickstart that's helped hundreds of authors get out of their heads and into the flow:
👉 PublishAProfitableBook.com/chapterone
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Write the Damn Book Already is a weekly podcast featuring interviews with authors as well as updates and insights on writing craft and the publishing industry.
Available wherever podcasts are available:
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Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
The podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.
To see all the ways we can work together to get your book written and published, visit publishaprofitablebook.com/work-with-elizabeth
Ep 184: How a Weekly Substack Post Turned Into a Book Deal, with Katie Clapham
2026/09/09
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Katie Clapham didn't set out to build an author platform. (Anyone else tired of that word?) She had a week where she had nothing ready to publish, she was working her usual shift at the bookshop she runs with her mom, and she opened a draft and started writing down the day as it happened. She called it Receipt from the Bookshop, numbered it one on the off chance she'd do it again, and sent it to a couple hundred subscribers at the end of her shift.
Roughly 250 people read it. Nearly 12,000 read it every week now, and it's been turned into a book. Receipts from the Bookshop comes out in the US on September 8, 2026 from William Morrow, after publishing in the UK in June 2026.
Keep in mind, when the publishing offer came in, her subscriber number was sitting in the low 2,000s. The numbers arrived after the deal, not before.
In this episode, Katie and I get into what actually went into the pitch, since this was her first time writing a nonfiction proposal after years of children's and YA books. Sample pages, a short introduction, and about two months of work getting the voice right.
We also talk about paid subscribers do to your Sunday-night brain. Why she keeps her best work free and prices her subscription as low as the platform allows. Why she has no website at all (and her publisher has never asked her to have one). And her honest fear going into launch, which was less about the marketing and more that this was the part where she'd find out the book isn't as good as she hopes it is.
If you've been circling Substack wondering whether it's the magic platform, or you're mid-manuscript and quietly convinced you need a bigger following before anyone will take you seriously, this episode is a great listen!
In this episode:
Why Katie joined Substack in November 2022 and what she was actually looking for when she didHow she splits free and paid posts so the pressure doesn't run her lifeWhat a nonfiction book proposal looks like when you don't have a finished bookWhy she disabled Substack's new AI detection scan (very on-trend topic, no?)How she defines success for this book🧭 BACK COVER BLUEPRINT
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Ep 183: Developmental Editing, Beta Readers, and Knowing When Your Book Is Actually Ready (with Allison Buehner)
2026/08/26
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I have been quietly fangirling over Allison Buehner's editing tips on Instagram for months. I have so many of them saved that at this point she deserves her own folder. So I finally asked her to come on the show, and then discovered we had already sort of met years ago, when she emailed me to suggest I talk to another editor she admired. No pitch. Nothing in her it for herself. In twenty years of doing this, nobody had ever done that, and I've thought highly of her ever since.
Allison runs Golden Editorial out of Colorado and works mostly with indie and self-publishing authors. She started out in nonfiction and memoir before following her heart into fantasy, contemporary fiction, and, lately, a truly impressive amount of cowboy romance.
We got into the things first-time authors usually find out the expensive way:
Why "I'll just hire a proofreader" is the priciest shortcut in self-publishing, and what has to happen before your manuscript ever reaches an editorThe real difference between an alpha reader, a critique partner, and a beta reader, plus why handing the book to your best friend is a terrible planWhat a developmental edit actually looks like, and why it can feel like you paid a lot of money for a document that says "go do more work"What good editors will and won't do, because fixing it for you crosses into co-authoringBreaking craft rules on purpose versus breaking them because you never learned them, and roughly how many you can get away with in one bookThe want-versus-need conflict Allison has been recommending to nearly every fiction author lately, and why it makes characters feel like people instead of plot delivery devicesHow to know you're genuinely ready to hand your manuscript to a professional🧭 BACK COVER BLUEPRINT
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Ep 182: Laurie Notaro on Living Book to Book
2026/08/19
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Laurie Notaro has hit the New York Times bestseller list more times than she can pin down. She's also written so many books she can't tell you the number without checking. And she drives a 2008 Mini Cooper, lives in a 1,500 square foot house, and has earned out on exactly one of those books. If you've ever wondered what a long career in publishing actually looks like from the inside, start here.
We talk about I've Got a New Complaint, her new essay collection out September 8 from Little A, which is so hysterical I'll be giving it to everyone for the holidays.
Laurie walks through her essay writing process, including the structural trick she wishes she'd figured out thirty years earlier.
She's also as blunt as you'd expect about the parts nobody prints on a book jacket. Her first book, The Idiot Girls' Action-Adventure Club, was self-published after seven years of rejections, then picked up by Random House. Her career came apart twice. She was dropped by her agent over email while she was on tour. She spent three years living on credit cards. And she was told repeatedly that nobody wants to read about middle-aged women, which is a fascinating position to take on the largest book-buying demographic in the country.
We also get into why she left the Big Five for an Amazon imprint, plus her genuine affection for one-star reviews and why they may be the best free marketing a first-time author will ever receive.
If you're writing a book and trying to figure out whether traditional publishing or self-publishing is the right road, this is a candid look at both from someone who has done all of it, more than once.
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Ep 181: Joyce Maynard on Storytelling, Permission, and Who Gets to Tell the Truth
2026/08/12
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Joyce Maynard has been publishing books for fifty-three years. In Wonderland is her fourteenth novel, and it came out eight days before we recorded this. She still does not outline. She sits down knowing exactly who her characters are, what they want, what they're afraid of, what they can't stop thinking about, and then she lets them take her somewhere she didn't plan on going.
We talked about the year she rented a little house on the shores of Lake Atitlán, and then bought a piece of land, which now serves as a retreat center where she's hosted well over a thousand women for memoir workshops. The question she gets there, every single time, from women only: How do I tell an honest story about my life without hurting the people in it?
Other things we covered:
Why she doesn't consider writing to be therapy, and what she thinks needs to happen before your story is ready for the pageThe difference between resilience and reinvention (she has a great analogy involving an inflatable clown)Going back to Yale at sixty-five, and the D- on a French exam that led to a diagnosis at an age when nobody in her generation got oneHer approach to writing as making a movie that plays inside the reader's head, and why she refuses to over-explainWrite what you know, and also the case for writing what you don't know🧭 BACK COVER BLUEPRINT
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The podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.
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Ep 180: What First-Time Authors Need to Hear Before Querying an Agent (with Eli McCann)
2026/08/05
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Eli McCann never planned to write a novel. He wrote one chapter kind of, maybe, to prove to himself he couldn't. But when he handed it to his husband, who both laughed and cried reading it, his curiosity and determination grew.
That chapter became Stitched, his debut novel about competitive quilting, unlikely friendships, and found family. The story of how it got published is required listening for any first-time author who's ever been told to change their book to make it more marketable.
We talk about the year Eli spent building a storytelling following before he had a book to sell, the agent who warned him publishing has a bias problem against older women (and how unfortunately correct she turned out to be), why he refused to rewrite his book into something it wasn't just to land a deal, and what it was actually like to narrate his own audiobook, complete with dialogue-heavy scenes from multiple distinct voices.
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Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
The podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.
To see all the ways we can work together to get your book written and published, visit publishaprofitablebook.com/work-with-elizabeth
Ep 179: Meg Mitchell Moore on Messy First Drafts and Why Nobody Has Publishing Figured Out
2026/07/29
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Ten books in, Meg Mitchell Moore still doesn't know what her plot is going to be when she starts writing.
Meg Mitchell Moore has published ten novels. And she still starts most of them with no idea what's going to happen. No outline, no plot, sometimes not even a reason her characters are in the room together. She figures it out as she goes, often with her agent's or editor's help.
If that sounds like it shouldn't work, that's kind of the point of this conversation. It does work. It's worked ten times! And I love how honest Meg is about the fact that her first drafts are a mess and revisions are where it all comes together.
We also get into the parts of book publishing that show up in very few highlight reels. Meg talks about learning, book by book, how much of a "big author moment" (the 10-city tour, the massive publisher push) is actually the author funding it themselves. She talks about the fear of writing a book with no contract attached to it, and how that fear doesn't necessarily go away with experience.
We talk about the business-versus-art tension every working writer eventually has to make peace with, and why the current pace of the industry has authors feeling more frantic than they perhaps did fifteen years ago, even as the community itself has gotten more supportive.
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Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
The podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.
To see all the ways we can work together to get your book written and published, visit publishaprofitablebook.com/work-with-elizabeth
Ep 178: What If You Already Found Yourself? Angela Brown on Fiction, Fear, and Saying No
2026/07/22
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This episode quickly got personal because I'm elbow-deep in my first novel after six nonfiction books, and Angela Brown writes the kind of fiction that makes one feel quite seen.
Angela is the author of Olivia Strauss Is Running Out of Time, Some Other Time, and her newest, Ways to Find Yourself. And I will fully admit I read the prologue the night before we recorded and had a moment. Not a cute moment. A "why am I like this" moment. So we start there, obviously.
But this conversation goes way past my feelings about her book (though we do talk about her characters, her sneaky habit of naming them after real people in her life, and the "what if" questions that kick off each of her novels). We get into the actual mess of writing fiction: how she doesn't always know where a story is headed when she starts it, the time an entire book arrived in the shower (why does all our best thinking happen there?) and she wouldn't leave her desk for two hours because she was afraid it would vanish, and the moment (mid-draft) when she realized the book wasn't broken—she was just writing from the wrong point of view.
We also talk about her MFA (Was it worth it?), the myth that there's one right way to write a book, and how she's getting much better at saying one simple word: no.
Oh, and stick around for the end. You'll walk away saying "no ploblem" for the rest of your week. You're welcome.
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Write the Damn Book Already is a weekly podcast featuring interviews with authors as well as updates and insights on writing craft and the publishing industry.
Available wherever podcasts are available:
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Let's Connect!
Instagram
Website
Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
The podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.
To see all the ways we can work together to get your book written and published, visit publishaprofitablebook.com/work-with-elizabeth
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AllisonBuehner 2026/08/12
Exceptional!
Elizabeth being such a vibrant joy and passion to every interview which makes this podcast entertaining and extremely informative. This is a must-list...
Mary Burruss 2026/05/08
Real!
Really enjoyed listening to this episode of Write the Damn Book Already—it felt like a very real, no-fluff look at traditional publishing from the ins...
BTA_MD 2026/02/07
Binging this podcast!
I just found this podcast and am currently BINGING it before I even think about hitting go on my new book. The tips are so practical and so helpful! T...
VickiD1031 2025/12/04
Helpful & Inspiring! Practical Tips!
Thank you, Elizabeth, for adding so much value to the writing community. You’ve inspired and helped me on my nonfiction book journey.
ksteele32 2025/06/13
I'm so inspired!
I just signed up for drum lessons. I’ve been wanting to do it forever, but the school that I really love is over an hour away. And I was just really r...
Ntub123 2024/01/17
A must for authors
This podcast is a must for authors or aspiring authors!
John1334 2022/09/28
Brilliant podcast
Elizabeth is not only inspiring and knowledgeable but she’s hilarious. I look forward to new episodes every week! 🔥
rachelyogi 2022/09/21
This podcast is the bomb
Elizabeth is seriously the best in the industry if you want to write a book this podcast is seriously incredible!!!!
divineunfolding 2022/06/21
Exactly what I needed
Elizabeth is fun, direct, and so generous in sharing her expertise. So happy she started a podcast - what a gift to the world!!
kshively1 2022/06/17
Practical Wisdom
This podcast is the perfect compliment to my years of research. She answers the questions that have been holding me up as I write my first book and fe...
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