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Kingdom of Dreams Podcast

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284 episodes
Language
English
Publisher
Jawad Mir
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Date created
2022/07/04
Latest episode
2026/01/12
Average duration
47 min.
Release period
5 days

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Kingdom of Dreams Podcast is a must-listen for film enthusiasts. As a director, producer, and passionate movie lover, I’ve always been captivated by the behind-the-scenes stories, especially those from my own filmmaking journey. This podcast is dedicated to uncovering untold stories from Directors, Editors, Screenwriters, Cinematographers, Production Designers, Producers, Composers, VFX artists, and more. It also explores the highs and lows of building a career in filmmaking and the profound ways it shapes our personal lives.

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EP 284 - Editor Affonso Gonçalves - Hamnet - Golden Globe Winner
2026/01/12
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, I sit down with Affonso Gonçalves, the acclaimed editor behind Hamnet. Affonso opens up about the deeply emotional experience of editing Hamnet—how the material affected him personally and the responsibility he felt in shaping such an intimate, grief-driven story. He reflects on his creative collaboration with director Chloé Zhao, discussing trust, restraint, and how emotion guides editorial decisions. Affonso also takes us inside his editing workflow, from performance-driven cutting to finding rhythm, silence, and breath in the edit. It’s a powerful and insightful conversation about storytelling, vulnerability, and the invisible art of editing that gives a film its soul. Affonso Gonçalves is an acclaimed film editor known for his emotionally precise and rhythm-driven approach to storytelling. He has edited a wide range of celebrated independent and studio films, often collaborating closely with directors to shape character, tension, and tone through nuanced editorial choices. Gonçalves is particularly respected for his work on Carol, Hamlet, True Grit, The Lost Daughter, and Dark Waters, bringing a restrained yet powerful sensibility to intimate dramas and complex narratives. His editing style emphasizes performance, subtext, and visual storytelling, making him one of the most sought-after editors in contemporary cinema. #hamnet #goldenglobes #stevenspielberg #sammendes #amblin #oscarnominations  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 283 - 'The Nightmare Before Christmas' - Animator - Anthony Scott
2025/12/23
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, I sit down with Anthony Scott, a stop-motion animator behind The Nightmare Before Christmas. Anthony shares his deeply personal journey with the film, how working on Nightmare gave him courage, shaped his creative identity, and left a lasting emotional imprint on his life. He also takes us inside the technical and storytelling craft of stop-motion animation, breaking down character movement, patience, and the discipline required to bring such an iconic world to life. It’s an intimate and inspiring conversation about art, perseverance, and the magic behind a timeless classic. Anthony Scott is a respected stop-motion animator best known for his work on The Nightmare Before Christmas. He played a key role in bringing the film’s iconic characters to life through meticulous frame-by-frame animation, contributing to its timeless visual style and emotional depth. With a career rooted in hands-on craftsmanship, Scott is admired for his precision, patience, and deep understanding of character movement, making him part of the generation of animators who helped define modern stop-motion cinema. #thenightmarebeforechristmas #christmas #timburton #stopmotion #animation  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 282 - Editors of Golden Globe Nominated - "The Secret Agent" - Eduardo & Matheus
2025/12/20
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, I sit down with editors Eduardo Serrano and Matheus Farias to explore the craft behind a Golden Globe nominated Brazilian spy drama set during a political dictatorship. They discuss how they shaped the film’s pacing, tension, and emotional rhythm, handled key scenes, and approached their editing workflow. It’s a focused conversation on discipline, restraint, and how editing can amplify both story and political impact.   Eduardo Serrano is a Brazilian film editor known for his work in bold, socially engaged cinema. Trained in editing in the UK, he has collaborated on acclaimed films such as Bacurau, Aquarius, Neon Bull, and Divine Love, with his work premiering at major festivals including Cannes and Venice. His editing is recognized for its precision, rhythm, and strong collaborative spirit with visionary directors. Matheus Farias is a Brazilian film editor and director whose work spans narrative and documentary filmmaking. He edited Pictures of Ghosts by Kleber Mendonça Filho and has been involved in several internationally recognized projects. Alongside his editing career, he also writes and directs, bringing a strong authorial sensibility and emotional clarity to his work. #filmediting   #braziliancinema  #politicalcinema  #goldenglobes   #postproduction  #editingworkflow    #filmpodcast  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 281 - 'The Hunting Season' - Editor - Håkan Karlsson - Mel Gibson
2025/12/18
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, I sit down with acclaimed editor Håkan Karlsson for an intimate conversation about the power of editing and narrative rhythm. Håkan takes us inside the cutting room of Mel Gibson’s latest film, breaking down how pacing, restraint, and emotional timing shaped the final story. He speaks candidly about the difficult editorial decisions behind the scenes, including a pivotal moment that was ultimately removed—the long-anticipated meeting between the protagonist and antagonist and why its absence made the film stronger. It’s a revealing discussion about tension, storytelling discipline, and how sometimes what you leave out carries the most weight..  Håkan Karlsson is an accomplished film editor known for his precise storytelling, emotional restraint, and strong sense of rhythm. His work spans feature films and documentaries, where he is particularly recognized for shaping character-driven narratives and balancing realism with cinematic pacing.   #melgibson #thehuntingseason #actionfilm #dramafilm  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 280 – Hamnet | Costume & Production Design- Malgosia Turzanska & Fiona Crombie
2025/12/16
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast,  I sit down with acclaimed production designer Fiona Crombie and costume designer Malgosia Turzanska for an intimate conversation about the art of collaboration and visual storytelling.  Together, they take us inside the creation of Hamnet, revealing how sets and costumes became a perfect marriage; breathing together, evolving together, and carrying the emotional weight of the story. They speak passionately about building a world that feels lived-in, fragile, and poetic, where fabric, texture, light, and space work in quiet harmony.  Fiona Crombie is an award-winning production designer known for her richly detailed and visually striking work on films like The Favourite, Cruella, and Macbeth. Her background in theatre and film allows her to create immersive, story-driven environments that enhance narrative and character. Malgosia Turzanska is a celebrated costume designer whose credits include The Green Knight, Hell or High Water, and Luca Guadagnino’s We Are Who We Are. Known for her deep research and character-driven wardrobe choices, she brings emotional texture and authenticity to every frame. #hamnet #stevenspielberg  #sammendes #amblin #amblinentertainment #shakespeare  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 279 - 'Don't be Late, Myra' - Director - Afia Nathaniel
2025/12/14
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, we sit down with acclaimed Pakistani filmmaker and director Afia Nathaniel, who takes us inside the making of her powerful short film inspired by a real rape incident in Pakistan. Afia shares how that harrowing event deeply affected her and became the emotional trigger that compelled her to tell this story. She speaks candidly about confronting trauma through cinema, the responsibility of portraying such a sensitive subject with honesty and care, and how the process transformed her both creatively and personally. Afia Nathaniel is a Pakistani filmmaker and director known for her socially conscious storytelling that centers on women’s lives and marginalized voices. She gained international recognition with her debut feature Dukhtar, which premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival and went on to screen at festivals worldwide. Her work often explores themes of identity, resilience, and human rights, combining intimate character-driven narratives with a strong sense of place and cultural authenticity. #assualt  #pakistan  #family #pakistani  #film  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 278 - 'Sinners' - VFX Team - James & Michael - Golden Globe Nominated
2025/12/11
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, we sit down with acclaimed cinematographer Juan Sarmiento, who takes us inside the visual world of The Voice of Hind Rajab. Juan shares how he crafted the film’s powerful and haunting imagery, shaping its emotional core through light, composition, and an unflinching sense of realism. He speaks about the artistic and personal weight of photographing such a deeply human story, and how the experience transformed him as both a filmmaker and a person. We are then joined by VFX artists James Alexander and Michal Ralla for an incredible breakdown of their work on Sinners. They walk us through the invisible effects that hold the film together, the seamless creation of Michael B. Jordan’s double role, and the ambitious visual demands of the finale. Their energy, insight, and behind-the-scenes stories make for a fascinating and highly entertaining conversation. James Alexander is an accomplished visual effects artist known for his sharp eye for detail and his ability to blend technical precision with cinematic imagination. With a career spanning high-end film and television projects, he has developed a reputation for crafting seamless digital environments, complex simulations, and photorealistic effects that elevate the emotional impact of each story. James’s work reflects a deep understanding of both the artistic and technical sides of VFX, making him a trusted collaborator for directors and post-production teams. Michal Ralla is a highly skilled VFX artist whose work is defined by innovation, versatility, and a strong command of cutting-edge visual effects tools. He has contributed to a wide range of productions, creating everything from subtle visual enhancements to large-scale digital sequences. Known for his problem-solving instincts and collaborative spirit, Michal brings clarity, creativity, and technical excellence to every project he touches. His passion for pushing visual storytelling forward makes him a valuable asset in modern filmmaking. #sinners #michaelbjordan #wakandaforever #blackpanther #ryancoogler #vampires #horror http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 277 - 'The Voice of Hind Rajab' - DP Juan Sarmiento - Golden Globe Nominated
2025/12/09
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, we sit down with acclaimed cinematographer Juan Sarmiento, who takes us behind the visual world of The Voice of Hind Rajab. Juan shares how he approached the film’s powerful and haunting imagery—shaping its emotional core through light, composition, and an unflinching sense of realism. He discusses the artistic and personal impact of photographing such a deeply human story, and how the weight of its subject matter transformed him both as a filmmaker and as a person. Juan also reflects on his creative process, the choices that guided the film’s stark and urgent visual language, and the responsibility that comes with capturing truth on screen. With The Voice of Hind Rajab now nominated for a Golden Globe for Best Foreign Film, Juan talks about what this recognition means and how the film’s message continues to resonate around the world.   Juan Sarmiento is an acclaimed Director of Photography whose work spans award-winning features, documentaries, and international dramas. Known for his atmospheric lighting and emotionally charged compositions, Juan has shaped the visual language of films such as Valley of Souls, Madame Luna, Islands, A Poet, and The Voice of Hind Rajab. His cinematography blends naturalism with bold visual storytelling, bringing depth and authenticity to every frame. With a career that has taken him across continents and genres, Juan has established himself as a DP who elevates each project with precision, artistry, and a powerful sense of cinematic emotion. #thevoiceofhindrajab #film #goldenglobes #foreignfilm  #cinematography  #cinema  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 276 - 'The Lost Bus' - Editor - Peter Dudgeon - Matthew McConaughey
2025/12/07
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, we sit down with acclaimed editor Peter Dudgeon, who takes us inside the cutting room of The Lost Bus starring Matthew McConaughey. Peter shares how he approached the film’s editorial blueprint—from his Avid workflow and scene-building process to the rhythms and emotional architecture that shaped the story. He reflects on his career path, the mentors who helped mold his sensibilities, and his long-standing creative collaboration with director Paul Greengrass, known for his intense realism and kinetic storytelling. Peter also talks about the powerful role fire played as a character in the film and how he crafted its presence through pacing, sound, and visual tension. Dan Laustsen is an acclaimed Danish cinematographer known for his striking visual style, blending rich, expressive lighting with bold, immersive compositions. Over a career spanning four decades, he has worked across genres in both European and Hollywood cinema, becoming especially celebrated for his collaborations with director Guillermo del Toro on films such as Crimson Peak, The Shape of Water, and Nightmare Alley, where his atmospheric imagery became central to the storytelling. Laustsen is also widely recognized for redefining modern action aesthetics through his work on the John Wick series, bringing operatic lighting, deep shadows, and vibrant color palettes to the franchise. A master of craft with a painter’s eye, he continues to be one of the most influential cinematographers working today, known for elevating every frame into something artful, textured, and unforgettable. #matthewmcconaughey #appletvplus #thelostbus #wildfires #california #schoolbus #drama  #avidmediacomposer #featurefilm  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 275 - Guillermo's 'Frankenstein' - Cinematographer - Dan Laustsen
2025/12/05
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, we sit down with legendary cinematographer Dan Laustsen, who takes us inside the artistry behind shooting Frankenstein. He shares how he crafted the film’s haunting visual language—from the specific lenses he chose to the distinctive lighting setups that shaped its mood and atmosphere. Dan also talks about his long-standing creative partnership with Guillermo del Toro, exploring how their shared visual instincts and trust have allowed them to build some of modern cinema’s most unforgettable worlds. A masterclass in cinematography and collaboration. Dan Laustsen is an acclaimed Danish cinematographer known for his striking visual style, blending rich, expressive lighting with bold, immersive compositions. Over a career spanning four decades, he has worked across genres in both European and Hollywood cinema, becoming especially celebrated for his collaborations with director Guillermo del Toro on films such as Crimson Peak, The Shape of Water, and Nightmare Alley, where his atmospheric imagery became central to the storytelling. Laustsen is also widely recognized for redefining modern action aesthetics through his work on the John Wick series, bringing operatic lighting, deep shadows, and vibrant color palettes to the franchise. A master of craft with a painter’s eye, he continues to be one of the most influential cinematographers working today, known for elevating every frame into something artful, textured, and unforgettable. #frankenstein #guillermodeltoro #movies #oscars #cinematography #maryshelley #netflix #vfx #classicbooks  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 274 - 'MEGADOC' - Editor - Joe Beshenkovsky
2025/12/04
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, we sit down with editor Joe Beshenkovsky, who takes us inside the making of MegaDoc, sharing his collaboration with Mike Figgis, the remarkable access they had on the set of Megalopolis, and what it was like editing the documentary while the film itself was still being shaped. Joe also shares amazing stories, including his unforgettable meetings with Francis Ford Coppola and George Lucas. An incredible and insightful conversation.  Joe Beshenkovsky is a skilled documentary editor known for crafting emotionally resonant, cinematic nonfiction stories. He has shaped award-winning films and series with his strong sense of pacing, character, and narrative clarity, earning a reputation as a trusted collaborator who brings depth and humanity to every project he works on. #megadoc #megalopolis #francisfordcoppola #documentary #behindthescenes #makingof #jonvoight #dustinhoffman #shialebouf #adamdriver  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 273 - Dining with the Kapoors - Editor - Geeta Singh
2025/12/01
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, we sit down with acclaimed editor Geeta Singh, who takes us behind the scenes of Dining With The Kapoors for Netflix, sharing how she first came onto the project, the meaningful and genuine moments that unfolded along the way, and the emotional full-circle return to the Deonar cottage that shaped the heart of the series. Geeta Singh is a renowned film editor with over three decades of experience in the Indian film industry. Her work spans feature films, TV commercials, acclaimed docu-reality series, and fiction for top OTT platforms. A finalist at the prestigious Panda Awards in Bristol, UK, she earned recognition for her film on climate change in the Sunderbans. Beyond editing, Geeta writes for fiction and non-fiction, blending creativity across formats. Her work includes Amazon's series 'Angry Young Men', 'The Big Day' and many others #saifalikhan #kareenakapoorkhan #karismakapoor #ranbirkapoor #rajkapoor #neetukapoor #rishikapoor #sashikapoor #netflix #diningwiththekapoors http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 272 - 'Predator Badlands' - Production Designer - Ra Vincent
2025/11/29
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, we sit down with acclaimed production designer Ra Vincent, who takes us inside the creative world behind Predator: Badlands—from shaping a gritty alien-versus-human frontier to crafting intimate family drama within it.  Ra shares how he builds environments that feel alive, emotional, and mythic all at once, offering a rare look at the art of world-building and the storytelling power of production design. Ra Vincent is an Academy Award–nominated production designer and set decorator best known for shaping the look of Peter Jackson’s The Hobbit trilogy. Blending meticulous craftsmanship with influences from his New Zealand Māori heritage, he has built some of the most memorable cinematic worlds of the last decade. Coming from a family of artists, Vincent found his calling in the art department and has since become known for creating environments that feel alive, textured, and deeply connected to story. #predatorbadlands #predator #aliens #aliensvspredator #prey #alienearth #sciencefiction  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 271 - Prop Master - Kevin Hughes - Coppola & Paul Thomas Anderson
2025/11/27
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, we sit down with acclaimed casting director Magdalena Szwarcbart, whose remarkable career includes working on Steven Spielberg’s Oscar-winning film Schindler’s List. Magdalena shares her fascinating stories from behind the scenes,  from the emotional weight of casting such a powerful story to the unforgettable moment of the little girl in the red coat that became one of cinema’s most haunting symbols. Kevin Hughes is a veteran Hollywood prop master whose career spans decades across both film and television. Born in 1952 in California, he grew up around old movie theatres, where his grandfather worked backstage, sparking his early fascination with show business.  He began his career in television on shows like The Price Is Right, All in the Family, and The Sonny & Cher Show, before landing a small courier job on Apocalypse Now that unexpectedly launched him into the world of feature films. Hughes went on to become a respected prop master known for his meticulous, “method-prop-man” approach — breaking down scripts line by line, tracking every object a character touches, and building detailed timelines for each prop.  Over the years, he has worked on films such as Boogie Nights, Borat, Bobby, and many others, earning a reputation for bringing authenticity, texture, and emotional grounding to the worlds filmmakers create. #boogienights #francisfordcoppola #paulthomasanderson #apocalypsenow #piranha        http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com
EP 270 - 'Schindler's List' - Casting Director - Magdalena Szwarcbart
2025/11/11
Tell us what you though of the episode 🎙️ On this episode of the Kingdom of Dreams Podcast, we sit down with acclaimed casting director Magdalena Szwarcbart, whose remarkable career includes working on Steven Spielberg’s Oscar-winning film Schindler’s List. Magdalena shares her fascinating stories from behind the scenes,  from the emotional weight of casting such a powerful story to the unforgettable moment of the little girl in the red coat that became one of cinema’s most haunting symbols. Magdalena Szwarcbart is a respected Polish casting director known for her extensive work in both international and Polish cinema. Based in Warsaw, she has collaborated with acclaimed filmmakers such as Roman Polanski, Steven Spielberg, Agnieszka Holland, and Paweł Pawlikowski. Her credits include major films like The Pianist, Schindler’s List, Ida, Cold War, and The Zone of Interest. Szwarcbart is recognized for her deep understanding of character and authenticity, helping bring powerful performances to the screen and playing a vital role in shaping modern Polish cinema’s global reputation. #schindlerslist #stevenspielberg #holocaustremembrance #remembranceday #worldwar2  http://twitter.com/dreamingkingdom http://instagram.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast http://facebook.com/kingdomofdreamspodcast Watch the feature films that I have directed Citizen of Moria - https://rb.gy/azpsu In Search of My Sister - https://rb.gy/1ke21 Official Website - www.jawadmir.com

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JeffreyKare 2023/10/24
You’ll never find another podcast like this!
I’m someone who’s interested in behind the scenes work on movies. This podcast proves to be a great one to learn about all the hard work that goes on ...
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