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People vs Algorithms

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171 episodes
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English
Date created
2022/09/01
Latest episode
2026/02/06
Average duration
66 min.
Release period
8 days

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Uncovering patterns of change in media, culture, and technology, each week media veterans Brian Morrissey, Alex Schleifer and Troy Young break down stuff that matters. Get our newsletters: https://www.peoplevsalgorithms.com/ https://www.therebooting.com/ www.peoplevsalgorithms.com

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Reputation Matters
2026/02/06
Meanwhile, brands are facing reputational crises from their ties to the government as Scott Galloway calls for a boycott of companies who sell their products to ICE. Jeff Bezos’ well-earned reputation as a business genius is at risk as his 13-year tenure owning The Washington Post turns into an unmitigated disaster. Meanwhile, Anthropic wants to develop a high-minded reputation by dinging OpenAI for the crime of running advertising. Finally, media might be in its death throes, but there’s always a need for a B2B conference that brings together the buy and sell side of the avocado market. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:20 Welcome * 05:09 Reputational Cost * 22:36 Company Reputation * 30:56 Bezos & WP Disaster * 41:55 Bringing Together The Buy & Sell Side * 48:24 AI & Ads * 56:31 Good Product * 01:01:21 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
Mind Control
2026/01/30
Today’s mind control comes in the form of black-box algorithmic recommendation systems, autonomous robotics and agentic AI systems. The trust gap has arrived for algorithms, as seen by the backlash against TikTok's new ownership. Maybe we're hard wired to distrust men in masks. Plus: CBS News tries to “podcast-ify” a legacy network, the Atlantic’s successful pivot to subscriptions and talent, the Washington Post’s execution problems and identity crisis, Yahoo’s attempt to reassert itself through AI search, and the growing realization that community is the last media moat. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:35 Welcome * 04:11 Mind Control * 13:39 Clawdbot/Moltbot * 17:54 Elon Reframing Tesla * 23:46 Minnesota Obscenity * 36:06 Algorithms and Social Media * 42:17 Hardcore Media Topics * 59:14 Local News and Nonprofit Models * 01:06:33 Good Product * 01:12:05 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
Monitoring the Situation
2026/01/23
This week, like old Italian men with their hands clasped behind their backs at construction sites, we are monitoring various situations: Snowmageddon 2026, OpenAI’s inevitable embrace of advertising, Claude Code’s escape from the nerdery, why publishers are embracing prediction markets, the Davos divide between the Mark Carney and Donald Trump styles of communication, and the latest reminder that nothing ever really dies in media, it just mutates. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:46 Welcome * 05:30 OpenAI Getting Into Ads * 26:29 Claude Code’s Escape From The Nerdery * 40:16 Prediction Markets * 50:29 Quick Hits * 01:15:40 Good Product * 01:17:14 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
Retro Digital
2026/01/16
After two decades of scale chasing, feed optimization, and platform dependence, the industry is rediscovering older mechanics that actually work: events, newsletters, sponsorships, classifieds, and direct audience relationships. Plus: The difficulty of changing legacy media organizations; micro-dramas as modern media format; and field notes from CES, the Affiliate Summit and an Ojai turtle sanctuary. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:34 Welcome * 03:44 CES 2026 * 10:40 Semaphore and Media Business Models * 15:18 CBS News and Media Transformation * 29:48 Creating New Products from Great Talent * 32:48 Retro Media * 42:35 Affiliate Summit * 52:54 Good Product * 59:17 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
Finding Leverage
2026/01/09
Troy and Brian talk about agentic advertising and why it’s being sold as salvation, the quiet consolidation happening across media and tech, and the shift from institutional power to systems, platforms, and legible individuals. We discuss sovereignty in an automated world, and why “finding leverage” has become the defining challenge for media, marketing, and anyone trying to stay relevant. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:28 Welcome * 07:06 Agentic Advertising and AI * 11:23 Semafor’s $30 Million Raise * 18:54 The Future of Yahoo * 24:12 The Rise of YouTube and Influencers * 31:08 The Future of Digital Publishers * 34:23 Media Personalities and the Creator Economy * 37:47 The Ethics of Content and Prediction Markets * 47:14 The Future of Major Cities and Job Market Predictions * 50:21 The Role of AI and Robotics in Society * 55:14 The Battle for Sovereignty and Media Independence * 01:01:42 Good Product * 01:06:10 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
Media Goonstate
2025/12/19
This week, we wrap up the year with our picks for the biggest narratives, deal guys, hustlers and tech oligarchs. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:17 Welcome * 03:22 Vanity Fair Is Back * 05:56 Is Weiss good at media? * 13:51 Oscars On YouTube * 18:03 PvA 2025 Awards * 18:28 Personality of the Year * 25:31 Media Brand of the Year * 30:10 Innovation of the Year * 37:29 Overlord of the Year * 40:38 Hustler of the Year * 43:47 Deal Guy of the Year * 45:45 Word of the Year * 48:34 Narrative of the Year * 54:25 Good Product This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
The End of the Hollywood Model
2025/12/12
Underneath the narrative, the main plotline is the end of Hollywood’s already ailing business model built around scarcity and cable economics. That’s why the big winner of this deal, no matter who ends up owning the asset, is David Zaslav, the consummate Deal Guy. Netflix owning Warner Bros would be a fitting end, as streaming upended the reliable bulwark of Hollywood’s business model and firmly put tech in control. Plus: The social stigma of AI-generated content, Kalshi’s uninspiring mission to financialize everything, Marco Rubio’s war on woke fonts, Shopify’s agentic commerce play, a new Scorsese documentary, and sad SaaS-vertising invading the NYC subway. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:36 Welcome * 04:18 Warner Bros Deal * 17:07 Deal Guys * 37:59 Font Wars * 47:09 Australia Banning Social Media For Teens * 54:16 Shopify & AI * 01:00:13 Good Product This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
Code Red
2025/12/05
This week, Sam Altman shutters side quests to chase speed, reliability, and personalization, and we ask whether he’s a deals guy or a wartime leader in a world where Gemini 3 and Anthropic are catching up. From there we get into the Olivia Nuzzi saga, the New York Times vs David Sachs accountability drama, and another round of Silicon Valley vs East Coast media grievance airing. We close on Bending Spoons’ island of misfit apps, DealBook’s new CEO archetypes in a media world running out of leverage, and Good Product featuring Waymos and Japanese toilets as the most dependable robots in everyday life. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:39 Welcome * 07:54 OpenAI Code Red * 22:56 Sachs vs NYT * 30:02 Olivia Nuzzi Saga * 35:07 DealBook Summit * 45:16 Bending Spoons * 50:24 The Distribution Trap * 01:03:33 Good Product This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
The Hustler Ethos
2025/11/28
We get into why America attracts them, how the term was coopted and branded, why competitive instinct sits at the center of real hustle, and how the changing nature of the economy will put a premium on hustling, for better or worse. Plus: Troy’s ‘eggsellent’ adventure at a Holiday Inn Express. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:41 Welcome * 02:19 Google Ascended * 14:24 AI Slop * 25:34 Hustlers * 44:10 Deal Talk: Warner Bros Discovery * 53:02 Good Product * 01:01:58 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
Main Character Energy
2025/11/21
With institutions losing their distribution edge, main-character energy now determines who captures attention. The Olivia Nuzzi spectacle to Michael Wolff’s improbable Epstein cameo show why legacy media suddenly needs characters again. We also cover the Gemini 3 narrative flip, Google’s structural advantages, John Malone’s tax-efficient empire building, Apple News’ strange success despite its bad UX, and the rise of chessboxing as peak Slavic content. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:46 Welcome * 01:30 Aura and Lore In The Information Space * 16:17 Gemini 3 * 26:52 Financializing Aura * 35:15 John Malone: Last of the cable cowboys * 41:05 Good Product * 51:15 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
Media People
2025/11/14
We argue that true media people are troublemakers with taste. They’re people who understand narrative, tension, and how to make others feel something. Michael Wolff and Olivia Nuzzi are Media People. Scott Galloway and Silicon Valley People are not Media People. The media industry has been downsized in the Information Space, with media personalities rewarded more than Media People. Media People will endure. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:44 Welcome * 06:42 Job Displacement Tsunami * 16:10 The Problem With Men * 27:57 Media People * 56:14 Netflix Immersive Experience * 01:00:49 Justin Bieber A Twitch Streamer * 01:03:13 Good Product * 01:08:27 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
The Charisma Dividend
2025/11/07
Meanwhile, the New York Times has proven to the exception to the rule in publishing, as most publishers are dealing with “toxic” pageview assets. Plus: The Great Compression has arrived for ad agencies. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:29 Welcome * 01:47 New York Mayoral Election * 11:51 AI Bubble Check * 22:53 Job Shifts * 26:13 The Great Compression in Ad Agencies * 35:37 New York Times: Exception to the rule * 44:06 Vox * 52:49 Puck-Air Mail Deal * 55:36 Good Product * 57:14 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
Building Good Product
2025/10/31
Plus: Anonymous Banker breaks down the logic of Warner Brothers Discovery’s sale, why celebrity investors are rarely additive, and the extractive logic of AOL’s $1.5b sale. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:21 Welcome * 01:48 Age Of Wonders vs What Is This S**t * 12:11 The Goon Squad by Daniel Kolitz * 14:53 Interview Assassin * 17:54 Performative Interview Format * 19:43 Making A Good Product * 37:19 Warner Bros. Discovery Deal * 43:50 Travis Kelsey Activist Investor * 50:23 AOL $1.5Bil Deal * 54:23 Good Product * 58:26 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
Low Sovereignty
2025/10/24
This week, Alex has a hard stop, AB is lost in Tokyo, and Brian and Troy go deep on sovereignty — who has it, who’s lost it, and whether it’s even possible to get it back for publishers and everyone else downstream of Big Tech.They debate whether Substack-style independence represents true sovereignty or just a different kind of dependency; ad tech’s extractive economics, and why “agentic ad buying” won’t fundamentally change a usurious system; and how OpenAI’s march toward becoming the next Google signals another era of centralization. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:24 Welcome * 06:35 How do publishers reclaim sovereignty? * 22:29 AdTech * 40:00 OpenAI In Browser Wars * 57:57 Good Product * 01:04:02 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com
Going Post-Truth
2025/10/17
This week, we talk about how the information space rewards vibes over verification, the second-order effects of video swallowing social media, and how institutions lost the narrative war to influencers, memelords, and politicians who understand that truth is optional so long as the narrative is upheld. * Watch us on YouTube * Troy Young’s People vs Algorithms newsletter * Brian Morrissey’s The Rebooting newsletter * Alex Schleifer’s Human Computer * Follow Alex, Brian and Troy on Twitter Chapters: * 00:00 Open * 00:28 Welcome * 01:49 Old Internet Is Truly Dead * 06:44 Authentic Media Relationships * 10:11 The “Social” In Media * 20:16 AI In Commerce * 23:03 OpenAI Is A Better Google * 32:28 Who wants fake? * 35:33 Anemoia * 38:19 What is our next reality? * 49:51 Rapping “Fat” Troy * 50:21 AB On Rich People & Media Companies * 56:17 Hasan Piker Shock Collar * 01:00:12 Good Product * 01:01:40 Outro This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.peoplevsalgorithms.com

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4.6 out of 5
53 reviews
★★★★★
Fionn Hyndman 2024/12/27
Smart, thoughtful, funny with a healthy dose cynicism
Love this show, it hits a real sweet spot for me between the evolution of digital media and publishing, product, advertising and new technology and it...
★★☆☆☆
Bryzness Man 2026/01/12
Lib garbage
Just another show presented as centrist, discussing superficial issues…. 3 minutes in talking about Trump. Nothing interesting or original here.
★★★★☆
jlw9000 2025/11/13
It’s back and getting better
I’m enjoying the new vibes of the show. The insight is strong, and the conversations remain sharp and prescient. AB is a solid addition because knowin...
★★★★☆
Roy Stan 2025/02/08
Turn down the boomer in Troy AI
There’s something that I’m getting from this pod that is unique… so even though you’re a sexless Fleetwood Mac, please don’t breakup. But, why is Troy...
★★★★★
ediblegem66 2024/04/09
A must-listen for anyone in media + marketing
PvA has been a source of useful insights and thoughtful perspectives since the start, but I'm enjoying it even more since they started bringing in a r...
★★★☆☆
maykent2626 2024/07/18
You guys have gotten too cynical
You talk about media like it’s only about raw power and money. No one gets into this industry purely for those reasons. This isn’t game of thrones. Ch...
★★★★★
galwaylady 2024/01/12
Troy young has a sexy voice
I love listening to him and could listen to his voice all day
★★★★★
John P G 2023/08/08
Yep yep 👍
This has become one of my favorites. If you’re in the media business, listen up. Great content, hosts are terrific together, new ideas for the leaders...
★★★★★
zdavis2 2023/07/28
A criminally underrated resource
Brian, Alex and Troy have great chemistry and experience that comes out in their discussions. They are able to discuss current events in the media wor...
★★★★★
DTW_313 2023/07/21
Well done, guys
The only media and marketing focused podcast where I actually crack up laughing. As in actually funny, not cringe funny. These three are sharp and I g...
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