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In this episode, Silvia sits down with Rachel Gresham, Senior Director of Professional Practice Programs at the AIA, whose career has moved from architectural practice into shaping how architects think about business, leadership, and the profession itself.  After roughly a decade in practice, including managing about $80 million in public safety and K–12 construction projects, Rachel pursued an MBA while working full time and began questioning not design, but the systems surrounding architectural work. She shares what burnout looked like when she was surviving “minute by minute,” why changing environments became essential to her recovery, and how mentors helped her recognize a role that combined architecture, business, and service.  Highlights: 3 words: Intentional, Service-Oriented, ArtisticWhen the Problem Isn’t Architecture Itself: Rachel loved practicing architecture, but the frustrations that pushed her toward change had less to do with design and more to do with how architecture businesses operate. That realization eventually led her to pursue an MBA and focus on the business side of the profession.Building a Career by Playing Chess, Not Checkers: Rachel describes major career decisions as intentional moves that build on one another. Her decade of architectural practice and business education ultimately converged in a role where she develops programs and resources to bring greater business acumen to architects.Burnout as a Systems Problem: After working full time while completing her MBA, Rachel reached a point where she was surviving “minute by minute.” Studying organizational behavior helped her recognize that workload and burnout are not always individual failures to manage time or set boundaries; sometimes the limits are built into the system itself.Finding the Right System: Rachel compares workplaces to a pinball machine: you may have freedom to move around, but eventually you encounter the walls. Her question for architects is not simply whether they can set better boundaries, but whether their priorities and goals can actually coexist with the system they are working within.What Architecture + Business Thinking Can Do Together: Rachel found that studying business after years in practice made abstract concepts immediately useful. Learning to translate ideas developed for other industries into professional services also gave her a second way of seeing problems alongside the perspective she developed as an architect.Relationships Can Redirect a Career: Mentors Rachel met through the AIA helped steer her toward an MBA and later encouraged her to apply for her current position. Her advice for architects looking beyond the boundaries of their current role is refreshingly practical: show up, meet people, ask what they are working on, and start building relationships. Links:  Learn more about AIA: aia.orgLearn more about Rachel Gresham: rrgresham.com ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this episode, Silvia sits down with Kara Boyd, an architect who successfully pivoted her career to become a Lead Owner’s Representative at IFF, a Midwest-focused Community Development Financial Institution (CDFI). Kara shares her fascinating career arc—from her early infatuation with wall sections to navigating the high-intensity environment of Studio Gang, running her own firm, and ultimately overcoming severe burnout. Today, Kara uses her deep architectural and real estate expertise not to center the architect, but to empower nonprofits and build true community equity. Key Takeaways From This Episode: The 3-Word Self-Description: Kara defines herself as inquisitive, analytical, and collaborative—traits that guided her from architecture school to community-driven real estate.The Turning Point of Burnout: After hitting a wall of burnout twice in her career, Kara learned the hard way that the traditional architecture industry often rewards grueling hours. This inspired her to ruthlessly protect her boundaries and seek a role aligned with sustainable work ethics.What is a CDFI? Kara breaks down how IFF operates outside the traditional, historically biased banking and redlining systems to deploy capital and real estate solutions directly to under-invested communities.The Ally, Not the Hero: Why Kara chose to step away from the "architect-centered" narrative to join an ecosystem that puts community organizations firmly in the driver’s seat.Advice to Her Younger Self: "Don't work so hard for someone else's dream." Kara reflects on the empowerment that comes from finding your own internal measuring stick for success. Kara's Golden Rule for Applicants: If you're applying to IFF, please send a tailored cover letter! We don't use AI screening—a real human reads your story to see how your building blocks and mission align with ours. Learn more about IFF: iff.orgApply to Owner’s Representative @ IFF: https://community.outofarchitecture.com/c/job-board/owner-s-representative-iff-remote-chicago-il ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this episode, Jake chats with Nick White, Melbourne-based comedian, content creator, and recovering architect who traded buildings for bits. Nick shares his journey from studying architecture and working in practice for five years to walking away at the end of 2022 to pursue stand-up comedy and character-driven content full time. The conversation explores how a design education shaped his eye for the absurd, the leap into self-employment (tinned food panic included), and the creative outlets — characters, drawing, editing, even Sims house tours — that fuel his work today. Discover how Nick built a niche skewering architectural pretension while staying genuinely fond of the industry, and what it takes to follow your gut out of a profession that no longer fits. Highlights: Highlights: 3 words: Still, Sensitive, CreativeRecognizing Misalignment Early: Nick discusses how he came to understand that the day-to-day realities of practice did not match the parts of design he enjoyed, and why naming that mismatch is a useful first step.Building a Parallel Career: Rather than leaving abruptly, Nick spent five years in practice while developing his comedy alongside it — reducing financial pressure and giving him time to test whether comedy could sustain a career.Transferable Skills from Design Education: The analytical habits taught in architecture school — observing how people speak, dissecting form and language, distilling complex ideas — translate directly into character work and comedic writing.The Economics of a Creative Career: Nick offers a clear-eyed view of how he supports his work today, including brand partnerships, touring stand-up, merchandise, and self-produced video content.Advice for Those Considering a Change: Notice what feels energizing versus draining, act on those signals over time, and remember that meaningful shifts unfold over years rather than weeks. Also: back up your models and save every 10 minutes.P.S. Catch Nick live on stage at Archicon: the only unboring business conference for architects, October 8-9th in Melbourne. See more: https://www.instagram.com/nickwhite49/https://www.tiktok.com/@missnickiewantiehttps://www.youtube.com/@nickwhite49 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this episode, Silvia chats with Niknaz Aftahi, entrepreneur and founder of AEC+Tech, a platform connecting architecture professionals with cutting-edge technology. Niknaz shares her journey from studying architecture in Iran to launching a startup that bridges the gap between the AEC industry and emerging tech. The conversation touches on the integration of AI in architecture, the importance of continuous learning, and the evolving roles within architecture firms. Discover how Niknaz marries her passion for design with innovation, and her insights into creating a niche in the architecture tech world. Highlights: 3 words: Entrepreneur, Designer, Building InnovatorInnovation in Architecture: Niknaz highlights her transition from traditional architecture roles to leveraging technology and innovation to improve design workflows.Technology Adoption: The episode underscores the slow adoption of technology in the AEC industry and how platforms like AEC+Tech aim to accelerate this process by fostering a community of shared knowledge.Role of Community: The significance of community engagement and sharing knowledge within the industry is emphasized as crucial for technological advancement and professional growth.Career Transition: Niknaz shares her personal journey of leaving a stable architecture job to pursue her passion for technology, offering insights into making career shifts in search of fulfillment.The Future of AEC: The conversation touches on how advancements in AI and technology are reshaping the roles and skill sets required in the architecture and construction industries.See more:https://www.aecplustech.com/ ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Join Libo Li, a data engineer at Meta, as he delves into his unconventional career journey from architecture to tech. Discover how his natural curiosity and drive for growth propelled him through various roles at companies like WeWork and AAC Resource. Libo shares insights on embracing fear as a signal for growth, the value of continuous learning, and thriving in chaotic environments. Whether it's discussing effective communication or exploring side projects, Libo's story offers motivating takeaways for anyone looking to navigate and explore diverse career paths. Highlights: 3 words: Curious, Irreverent, and GrittyEmbrace Growth: Transitioning between roles and industries can lead to significant personal and professional development.Curiosity as a Driver: A natural curiosity can propel individuals to explore new opportunities and learn from diverse experiences.Importance of Adaptability: Being open to new experiences and learning quickly on the job is crucial for success in tech and beyond.Communication is Key: Whether in architecture or data engineering, clear documentation and effective communication are vital.Fear and Growth: Facing fear and embracing chaos can lead to valuable learning experiences and growth opportunities.See more:https://www.instagram.com/most.podern/ Guest Bio:Libo Li is a trained architect working as a data engineer in New York City. He received a Bachelor of Architecture from Rice University. His focus is on the impact of data and technology on design production, building software, systems, and operational models at companies like KPF, WeWork, CBRE, and Meta. He was COO of Voyansi, a BIM solutions company recently acquired by Hexagon. He was CTO at KatalsyDI, where he lead the technology team building the analytics platform to integrate construction supply chains. He co-founder Small Tiger to empower architecture firms with modern digital operations; where he works with emerging firms to question how they work to scale their agency. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Atif Qadir joins Silvia on Tangents to explore his journey from architecture to real estate development and tech entrepreneurship. They discuss the evolving nature of careers in the AEC industry, the importance of adaptability, and the benefits of life coaching and mentorship. Atif shares insights on recognizing personal values and the significance of creating space for what truly matters. Reflective and inspiring, their conversation underscores the value of pursuing a career aligned with one’s passions and navigating life changes with confidence and adventure. Highlights: 3 words: Adventurous, Together, MemoryCareer Transitions: Atif highlights how identifying personal strengths and pursuing diverse opportunities can lead to fulfilling career shifts from traditional roles in architecture to innovative ventures in real estate and tech.Networking and Relationships: Building a robust network of peers, mentors, and mentees is crucial in navigating career paths and discovering unique opportunities.Adaptability and Innovation: Embracing advancements in technology, such as AI and machine learning in the architecture industry, can open new avenues for growth and innovation.Self-discovery and Balance: Understanding personal motivations and balancing career aspirations with life goals is vital for long-term satisfaction and success.Mentorship: Atif emphasizes the importance of mentorship in providing guidance and maintaining perspective throughout one's career journey.Guest Bio:Atif is a registered architect turned developer with extensive experience across the entire development process. He most recently has been the Co-Founder and Chief Impact Officer of Commonplace, a VC-backed startup dedicated to building technology infrastructure to enhance and expedite impactful commercial real estate development and funding. Prior to this, Atif founded Amanat Properties, a development and investment platform that repurposes historic and older properties in New Jersey to maximize value and performance. Atif began his career in development and acquisitions at Extell Development, where he worked as an Associate on multiple affordable housing projects. He also gained significant experience as a Project Engineer and Field Engineer at Turner Construction, contributing to major, transformational institutional projects in New York City. His career started as a design architect at Gene Kaufman Architect (now Gwathmey Siegel Kaufman).https://www.atifzqadir.com/ ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this engaging episode of "Tangents by Out of Architecture," our guest Xinran Ma shares his inspiring journey from a traditional architecture career to the innovative field of product design at Redfin. Our conversation delves deeply into the mindset shift required for career transition, and the strategies Xinran employed to gain experience and build credibility in a new industry. From studying architecture in China and New York to fostering a passion for user experience design, Xinran's story illustrates the diverse applications of architectural skills beyond conventional practice. Xinran elaborates on the differences between architectural education and practice, highlighting how his idealistic aspirations met practical realities that motivated his transition. He offers rich insights into the importance of design thinking and user interaction, emphasizing his path to becoming an accomplished UX designer.  Highlights: Transitioning from architecture to UX design involves a significant mindset shift, focusing on design thinking and practical constraints.Real-world project experience is crucial for breaking into new fields, as it adds credibility and context to interviews and portfolios.Changing careers can be daunting but provides an opportunity to explore personal passions and gain fulfillment through meaningful work.Networking and community engagement can unexpectedly lead to job opportunities and career insights.Perseverance and a strategic approach can help overcome initial setbacks when venturing into a new profession.Links: Design with AI Substack Link: https://designwithai.substack.com/Buy Xinran's Book: https://amzn.to/3C726dfXinran's website: https://www.xinranma.com/Guest Bio:Xinran is an architect turned product designer on a mission to empower designers to elevate their careers and live better lives. He went from designing buildings to crafting digital experiences, and now he is exploring the power of AI in design. He is the founder of Design with AI, a digital publication to help designers design better, faster, and smarter with AI through practical tips. He is also the author of three Amazon #1 New Release books in UX and have been recognized as an ADPList's Top 1% Mentor in Design five times. He regularly gives AI talks and runs workshops at institutions like Microsoft, UXPA, Pratt Institute, the University of Connecticut, and Maven. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today is Makoto Eyre, cofounder and CEO of Homeostasis, a climate tech startup transforming CO2 into advanced carbon materials like graphite for lithium-ion batteries. Makoto’s story exemplifies the power of curiosity, resilience, and the ability to leverage architectural skills to navigate bold career transitions. This episode explores how interdisciplinary thinking, engineering expertise, and a service-driven mindset can lead to impactful innovation. Tune in to hear how Makoto redefined his career to tackle climate challenges and build a sustainable future. Makoto’s career journey is a testament to the versatility of architectural skills. After starting his career as a designer and architect-in-training at Seattle’s SkB Architects, he transitioned to roles in aerospace engineering at NASA and Blue Origin. Now leading Homeostasis, Makoto is addressing critical global challenges by applying design and engineering principles to climate tech solutions. In his free time, he enjoys bouldering, running, hiking, and tinkering with projects. Highlights: The challenges of traditional architectural practice and the desire to create broader societal impact.The journey from architecture to mechanical engineering and a passion for space exploration.Co-founding Homeostasis, a climate tech startup transforming CO2 into graphite for lithium-ion batteries.Navigating the uncertainties of business development and embracing a service-driven Lessons on resilience, embracing discomfort, and the importance of supportive communitiesGuest Bio:Makoto Eyre is the cofounder and CEO of Homeostasis, a climate tech startup that produces advanced carbon materials, such as graphite for lithium ion batteries, out of CO2. Prior to founding Homeostasis, Makoto worked as a spacecraft configuration & systems engineer at the Advanced Development Program at Blue Origin, as a contracted space architect at NASA’s Johnson Space Center, and as a designer & architect in training at SkB Architects in Seattle. Makoto has degrees in architecture and mechanical engineering from the Rhode Island School of Design and the University of Washington, respectively. In his free time, Makoto enjoys bouldering, running, hiking, reading in the park, and building/modding/repairing. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Danny Rupp (he/him) is a web development team lead who has been lucky enough to work-from-home in Maryland since 2010. With a bachelor's degree in Architecture from the University of Maryland he started his career as an architectural designer, but slowly transitioned on the job into working as a full stack web developer on software for office space planning. In 2020 he made the jump out of architecture and into full time web development as a Drupal developer and team lead. In this enriching episode of Tangents, host Silvia welcomes Danny Rupp, a versatile expert who has navigated a unique pathway from architecture to web development. Danny describes himself using three distinctive words: extroverted, empathic, and curious. He delves into his career beginnings, highlighting his tenure at a small architecture firm in Maryland and his adaptation during the 2008 financial crisis. Danny's pivot to web development, driven by his passion for coding and problem-solving, emerges as a central theme. He reflects on his dual role in architectural federal contracting and web development, emphasizing the value of continuous learning and adaptation. The episode is a treasure trove of insights for anyone contemplating a career shift from architecture to the tech industry. Danny's journey underscores the importance of leveraging diverse skills and remaining open to new opportunities. He shares practical advice on how to approach job transitions, the significance of showcasing one's learning mindset on resumes, and the benefits of working from home. With key takeaways focusing on problem-solving, iterative design, and effective project management, this episode is a must-listen for aspiring architects and tech enthusiasts alike. Highlights: Adaptability in Career Shifts: Danny's transition from architecture to web development illustrates the value of leveraging diverse skill sets and staying open to new learning opportunities.Continuous Learning: Highlighting the importance of curiosity, Danny emphasizes the value of always pursuing new knowledge and adapting to industry changes.Effective Project Management: Danny shares insights on the significance of good project management, particularly the benefits of prioritizing tasks and transparent communication.Working from Home: Danny discusses his long-term experience with remote work, the productivity benefits, and maintaining a good work-life balance.Connecting with Peers: The episode underscores the importance of networking and learning from friends and colleagues across various industries to foster career growth.Mentioned in the episode:  https://www.archcareersguide.com/https://www.codecademy.com/ ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our guest today is Ramesh Pari, Head of Design + BIM at Ocado Group. He highlights the importance of pragmatism, lifelong learning, and leveraging architectural skills in new ways. This episode explores the dynamics of tech culture, the benefits of cross-industry skills, and the courage needed to pursue fulfilling career changes. Tune in to gain insights on balancing professional aspirations with personal growth. Ramesh is a prime example of how career pivots can lead to incredible success. After spending a decade as a project architect in the residential and commercial sectors, specializing in technical design, he made the bold decision to transition into the tech industry. Now, with six years leading the design and BIM functions at the UK tech firm Ocado, Ramesh has advanced to Head of Design, managing global projects across 10 countries with teams based in the UK and Poland. Passionate about guiding others through similar transitions, Ramesh is dedicated to empowering professionals from traditional fields to thrive in new, dynamic careers. Highlights: Career Transition: Ramesh discusses the challenges and rewards of transitioning from architecture to the tech sector, emphasizing the importance of continuous learning and pragmatism.Skill Utilization: Key architectural skills such as visionary problem-solving and storytelling have been crucial to Ramesh’s success in tech.Tech Culture: The supportive and flexible nature of tech industry culture contrasts with the rigid structures of traditional architecture, fostering innovation and collaboration.Importance of Communication: Effective communication and understanding commercial realities are pivotal in driving projects and achieving buy-in from stakeholders.Future Planning: Ramesh advocates for adaptability and openness to change, encouraging professionals to redefine success and explore new opportunities beyond traditional career paths. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Adrian Maldonado, Career Advisor at Out of Architecture, is a seasoned professional with a background in architecture who made a successful transition into the field of UX design. With a passion for design and a knack for problem-solving, Adrian brings a unique perspective to his role as a lead UX designer. He is dedicated to helping individuals navigate career transitions, leveraging his experience to guide others towards fulfilling and meaningful professional paths. Highlights: The importance of networking and strategic planning in transitioning from architecture to UX design.The value of transferable skills and the impact of attitude and work ethic in career transitions.The role of perseverance and grit in overcoming challenges and achieving professional growth.The exploration of design principles, problem-solving approaches, and human-centered perspectives offers valuable insights for aspiring UX designers.Learn more about Adrian here: https://www.outofarchitecture.com/bio-adrian-maldonado ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

In this episode, Jacki Schaefer shares her journey in architecture, highlighting the challenges faced during her career, the importance of job security, and the impact of curiosity on personal and professional growth. She discusses the value of architecture education in developing critical thinking skills and self-awareness. Jacki emphasizes the need for individuals to align their career choices with their values and passions for long-term fulfilment. Key insights include reflections on the architecture industry, the significance of finding one's identity beyond a profession, and the transformational power of self-exploration and authenticity in career decisions. Highlights: The importance of job security and the need for individuals to explore diverse career paths within and outside the architecture industry.Architecture education instills critical thinking and self-reflection skills that can transcend the profession and benefit personal growth.Curiosity is a powerful driver for success, enabling individuals to seek opportunities aligned with their values and interests.Finding one's identity beyond a specific profession is crucial for long-term career satisfaction and personal fulfillment.Networking and seeking diverse experiences contribute to self-discovery and lead to a deeper understanding of individual goals and aspirations. Learn more about Jacki here: https://www.outofarchitecture.com/bio-jacki-schaefer ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

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Our guest today, Nate Steinrueck, Product Strategist at Outer Labs, shares his journey from studying anthropology to working in architecture and eventually transitioning into the tech industry. He emphasizes the importance of being a good listener, learner, and helper in his work, and how these qualities have shaped his career. Nate also discusses the similarities between architecture and product strategy, highlighting the value of problem-solving and effective communication in both fields. He offers advice for those looking to make a career change and emphasizes the importance of finding alignment between one's strengths and passions. Listen to the end to hear our highlight from OOA community member, Rachel Gresham, Senior Director, Professional Practice Programs at The American Institute of Architects. Connect with her on Linkedin, and let her know you found her through the Tangents podcast. Highlights: Nate strives to be a listener, learner, and helper in his work, focusing on understanding the needs of others and finding ways to make their work more efficient.His background in architecture has provided him with valuable insights and skills that he applies to his role as a product strategist.Effective communication and problem-solving are essential in both architecture and product strategy.When making a career change, it's important to evaluate your strengths and passions and find alignment with the roles and companies you're considering. (Find out the interesting way Nate went about doing this!) ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On this episode of Tangents, Erin Pellegrino, Principal at Matter, and Co-Founder of Out of Architecture, shares her journey of balancing making and thinking in architecture, leading to a fulfilling and impactful career. From rebellious tomboy to successful architect, she discusses her approach to challenging the status quo and overcoming roadblocks by adopting a mindset of perseverance and continuous improvement.  Erin's stories of building an Alpine shelter in the Alps and transforming a mid-century modern house's kitchen highlight the power of architecture to create meaningful spaces. From starting her own practice to co-founding Out of Architecture, Erin's experiences offer valuable insights into thriving as a creative professional. Key Takeaways: Erin emphasizes the importance of remaining curious, ambitious, and optimistic to navigate the challenges of the architecture field.Building a career in architecture involves a balance between making and thinking, while striving to make a positive impact on the world.Overcoming insecurities and fears is crucial in pursuing one's career goals, along with seeking mentorship and support from experienced professionals.Responding to "no" by reframing it as an opportunity for refinement and improvement can lead to transformative outcomes in projects and career endeavors.Engaging in socially engaged work, such as projects for the unhoused, showcases the immense potential of architecture to address social issues and create meaningful change.Highlights: Ambitious, Curious, Striving to be an OptimistEri Berry Woman Drink RecipeFalling in Love with the Folk Art MuseumDoing It All: From Teaching, To Practicing and MoreProfessional Practice: Expectations Vs. RealityCreating Out of ArchitectureOvercoming Feelings of InadequacyWhat Success Feels LikeArchitecture is an Inherently Optimistic ActAdvice for Starting Your Own PracticeGet Comfortable Asking for What You WantFiguring Out How To Get Things DoneThen Challenging How Things Are DoneBuilding A Wave of Change ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★