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Anthony Hobday, Katie LangermanExplicit
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Date created
2023/02/12
Latest episode
2026/01/25
Average duration
57 min.
Release period
16 days
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A podcast about the principles and practices of interface design.
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74: How many icons is too many
2026/01/25
Anthony and Katie discuss Nikita Prokopov's "It's hard to justify Tahoe icons".
Article link: https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
73: Desktop UX
2026/01/11
Anthony and Katie discuss Scott Jenson's talk titled "Are we stuck with the same desktop UX forever"
Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fZTOjd_bOQ
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
72: Famous design phrases
2025/12/21
Anthony and Katie each bring some famous design phrases to discuss.
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
71: The materials interfaces are made of
2025/12/07
Sometimes interfaces mimic physical materials like paper or metal. Anthony and Katie discuss why this might be, what kinds of materials seem most common and how this has shifted over time.
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
70: Things that are easy vs. hard to design
2025/11/23
Anthony and Katie compare things that feel easy to design vs. hard.
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
69: Practical Uses of AI for Designers
2025/11/09
Anthony and Katie share ways to use AI in your design practice that don't involve code or generative images.
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
68: Interface Design Assets (typefaces, imagery, icons)
2025/10/26
Anthony and Katie share some of their favorite design assets.
Links mentioned:
https://blush.design/
https://nucleoapp.com/
https://tabler.io/icons
https://feathericons.com/
https://thenounproject.com/
https://www.streamlinehq.com/
https://klim.co.nz/
https://wakamaifondue.com/
https://simplebits.shop/collections/fonts
https://open-props.style/
https://fontawesome.com/
https://phosphoricons.com/
https://connary.com/fonts/
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
67: Vector vs. Code Based Design Tooling with Andreas Møller
2025/10/12
Anthony and Katie are joined by Andreas Møller, co-founder of Nordcraft. Nordcraft aims to bring design and development closer together, and as you can imagine Andreas has a unique perspective on design tools. What happens to "hand-off" when designers can get their ideas 90% there?
Find Andreas on Bluesky
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
66: Interface Design Then & Now with Microsoft's First Interface Designer Virginia Howlett
2025/09/28
Anthony and Katie are joined by Virginia Howlett, author of Visual Interface Design for Windows and one of the first interface designers at Microsoft. Virginia is also an artist, and her paintings can be found on her website https://www.virginiahowlett.com/. We discuss what it was like being a designer 30 years ago (spoiler: some things haven't changed!), the connection between graphic design and interface design, and what it was like pioneering design decisions that we take for granted today.
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
65: Listener Q&A
2025/08/31
Anthony and Katie answer a few listener questions.
Questions asked: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1961014039368110395
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
64: Big vs Small Software
2025/08/17
Anthony and Katie attempt to define big vs. small software, and then compare the two.
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
63: Being Intentional About Quality with Lance Willett
2025/08/03
Anthony and Katie are joined by Lance Willett, Chief Quality Officer at Automattic. There's a lot packed into this hour long conversation, but a few things we touch on are:
- Measuring and championing quality in distributed teams
- Navigating feedback culture and team dynamics
- Balancing craft, context, and care in product development
Hardik Pandya tweet Anthony mentioned: https://x.com/hvpandya/status/1949733270897188935
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
62: MacOS Through the Ages
2025/07/20
Anthony and Katie discuss the elements of previous MacOS versions that stand out most.
Inspired by: https://aresluna.org/frame-of-preference
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
61: Liquid Glass
2025/07/06
Anthony and Katie chat about Apple's Liquid Glass.
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
60: Designing Tools to Support Creativity with Matt Beaudouin-Lafon
2025/06/22
Anthony and Katie are joined by HCI PhD candidate Matt Beaudouin-Lafon at UCSD, and discuss how HCI research intersects with industry product design.
Links mentioned:
Matt's work on Color FieldInk & SwitchTextoshopCreativity Support Tools paper from Ben Shneiderman
Hosts:
Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign
Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
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